" Who Is Our Most Effective Forward ? "

Overall effectiveness to include goals, shooting accuracy, goals per minute on the pitch, number of attempts to score a goal and assists.

millers work rate is superb but at the moment hes not scoring so id say mason on form even when he comes of bench he changes games very good for a young man

millers work rate is superb but at the moment hes not scoring so id say mason on form even when he comes of bench he changes games very good for a young man

Agree about Millers work rate but with 8 games in March has he got the legs to play every game. He was the first player to pull up with cramp on Sunday so with no sign of further loan players who is MM likely to use, or will he stick with KM Hmm.

Lately Malky has been player miller almost as a fifth midfielder and rudy been up top.

Personally Gary, I honestly dont think we have a real quality striker at this moment. We have battlers and players who will score asome goals. Mason will be a quality striker by the end of this season, he is still learning.

Personally Gary, I honestly dont think we have a real quality striker at this moment. We have battlers and players who will score asome goals. Mason will be a quality striker by the end of this season, he is still learning.

With 8 games in 27 days in March do you think MM should or will use the squad. Do you think Miller can reasonably be expected to perform at a high level with a game every 3 days. I don't think it's reasonable to expect him to play all these games.

In my opinion we need him against West Ham, Hull, Brighton and Birmingham but surely between these games he needs to rest.

I take it you think Mason is our most effective forward. Why?

Easily miller.

Mason is having a great season though.

Easily miller.

Mason is having a great season though.

That's what I like someone being positive.

Where would you place Earnie.

Personally Gary, I honestly dont think we have a real quality striker at this moment. We have battlers and players who will score asome goals. Mason will be a quality striker by the end of this season, he is still learning.

With 8 games in 27 days in March do you think MM should or will use the squad. Do you think Miller can reasonably be expected to perform at a high level with a game every 3 days. I don't think it's reasonable to expect him to play all these games.

In my opinion we need him against West Ham, Hull, Brighton and Birmingham but surely between these games he needs to rest.

I take it you think Mason is our most effective forward. Why?

Gary,
The Earnshaw thing is very very odd.
Gary I am with you, Miller will need a rest, Mason will then have to take the reigns more, as a striker I dont rate Rudy, he gives everything, but thats it. I believe Mason is gifted and still learning and will get better and better.

Miller without a shadow of a doubt, for all round forward play. His goals will come again,just needs that bit of luck , he's always in the right place, to get the chances.

Easily miller.

Mason is having a great season though.

That's what I like someone being positive.

Where would you place Earnie.

I don't expect him to play for us unless we have a number of injuries tbh.

Agree with 2Blue so much of what we do goes through Miller, but Mason is an absolute gem.

Throughout his career Earnie has always managed to be the player who needed the least amount of time on the pitch between scoring goals. Doesn't matter which club but his best performances have been as a Cardiff player and this season is no exception.

At the moment Earnie needs only 159 minutes on the pitch, on average, to score. Mason needs 170 minutes, Rudy 205 minutes and Miller 244 minutes.

I completely accept that when we play one up front Miller is the standout player for the sole forward role, Earnie certainly has never been able to play that role.

But with these 8 games in 27 days is it such a stretch to consider resting Miller for some games and pairing Earnie with Rudy.

Personally Gary, I honestly dont think we have a real quality striker at this moment. We have battlers and players who will score asome goals. Mason will be a quality striker by the end of this season, he is still learning.

He is not IMO a striker. He's an inside forward. A damn good prospect without a doubt.

City had a blank sheet of paper in July for new strikers. In came Miller, Mason, Earnshaw, Parkin & Gestade. (Jarvis was sent out on loan.)

That is not a group of strikers to win promotion.

The number of goals collectively from those is evidence of that.

Malky should have been trying long before 31st January to bring in Sordell. In Decemebr him and his scouts should have been looking far and wide for a striker. Maybe they did, but he wan't happy with the choice or the player(s) didn't want to come to cardiff.

Miller has never been a prolific scorer like Kevin Phillips.

At the moment, Mason is! But 7/10 times it'll be Miller

Personally Gary, I honestly dont think we have a real quality striker at this moment. We have battlers and players who will score asome goals. Mason will be a quality striker by the end of this season, he is still learning.

With 8 games in 27 days in March do you think MM should or will use the squad. Do you think Miller can reasonably be expected to perform at a high level with a game every 3 days. I don't think it's reasonable to expect him to play all these games.

In my opinion we need him against West Ham, Hull, Brighton and Birmingham but surely between these games he needs to rest.

I take it you think Mason is our most effective forward. Why?

Gary,
The Earnshaw thing is very very odd.
Gary I am with you, Miller will need a rest, Mason will then have to take the reigns more, as a striker I dont rate Rudy, he gives everything, but thats it. I believe Mason is gifted and still learning and will get better and better.

mason done a job at leeds he'll be key this season!!

Miller is by far our best striker imo. He's hit a dry spell, every striker does but I would be more worried if he wasn't getting into the positions and contributing to our attacking play. Miller had 2 cleared off the line against Peterborough, had a disallowed goal away to Leicester, hit the post against Palace and created Mason's goal Sunday. Some of our fans are just judging him on his lack of goals but he offers so much to our team. In my opinion, if Earnie was playing up front instead of Miller, our attacking play wouldn't be half as good and we wouldn't create half the chances we are.

Miller hands down

What a player to lead the line for City

He might not be in the goals at the moment, but he has them runs and flicks which cause defenders to open up - giving space for others

Gary

Its very close the poll.

Depends whether or not we're talking forward/striker/goalscorer and also what system we are playing.
Miller to me is an all rounder, a decent goalscorer but certainly not prolific. Earnie is an out and out goalscorer and not much else and the way we play most of the time doesn't suit his game. Rudy is a target man who will get a few goals here & there and will be most effective with somebody alongside but not just behind him, I think he's excellent in the air and I think with a really good wide man we could get so much more from him. Joey Mason, I've become a big fan, he's getting better & better, his movement is excellent for a player so young, I think Miller has helped him.

Miller gets the vote for me, not so long ago he was super Ken , he was playing well & scoring, I think he's still playing well and I can see him scoring a few through March including first goal Sunday against West Ham.

Without a doubt it's Miller, a striker is always measured by his goalscoring, and he's not the most prolific, but its what else he brings to the game is the best, his work rate, clever runs, passes, off the ball! Such an asset to us just wish he wasn't 32

Joe Mason by a country mile, Miller needs 6 good chances just to hit the target.

I know a few of you will criticise me for saying that but he is starting to cost us games and points, it's no good running yourself into the ground and getting into good positions without scoring.

We need the goals when these chances arrive, Miller has not got I what it takes, he rushes his chances to often.

We need an out and goal score scorer similar to Chopra, not sure if earnie is still that, may find out tomorrow.

Mason reminds me of a young Teddy Sheringham. He has no pace and is not very strong (granted his age) , but he has great technique a footballing brain and is a very cool finisher. I think a few combinations we may see this Month may surprise a few.

Mason and Earnie may pay dividends (and no opposition team will plan for it)

We need an out and goal score scorer similar to Chopra, not sure if earnie is still that, may find out tomorrow.

Mason reminds me of a young Teddy Sheringham. He has no pace and is not very strong (granted his age) , but he has great technique a footballing brain and is a very cool finisher. I think a few combinations we may see this Month may surprise a few.

Mason and Earnie may pay dividends (and no opposition team will plan for it)

Thing is if we have a player who works as hard as Miller, can hold up the ball well and a finisher like Chops then he will certainly be playing in the prem. No matter who we have they will have faults and the reason they play with us is because they have these faults.

I was always a big Sheringham fan as I am am big Miller fan.....

Sadly I dont think it will be long before people turn on Mason, he isnt really the type who will stand out obviously. People like McPhail who offer so much to the team have been over looked for years. Yet a poor player like Gerrard get praised because they look passionate.

Thanks to everyone who voted and posted comments on the thread I think it has shown in many ways that the majority of fans understand and appreciate the importance of Kenny Miller to the team this season. At the end of the day he missed a chance to win the game on Sunday but can anyone really name a player who scores with every chance he gets?

Within the tactical formation we play most of the times no one can really doubt that Kenny Miller is the most important striker at the club, so keeping him fit and injury free I think will be pivotal to the outcome of our season. We have had 3 chances to get some back up for KM, the first emergency transfer window, the January transfer window and this final emergeny transfer window but so far we have failed to get someone. Will KM become the Jay Bothroyd for this season?

When it comes to the most effective striker at the club here is the information against the critiria I outlined in the original post.

Goals Scored;

Kenny Miller 10
Joe Mason 8
Rob Earnshaw 4
Rudy Gestede 3

Shooting Accuracy;

Joe Mason 78%
Rob Earnshaw 52%
Rudy Gestede 50%
Kenny Miller 44%

Goal Per Minute On Pitch;

Rob Earnshaw 159
Joe Mason 170
Rudy Gestede 205
Kenny Miller 244

Number Of Attempts To Score A Goal;

Joe Mason 3.5
Rudy Gestede 4.6
Rob Earnshaw 6.7
Kenny Miller 6.8

Assists;

Kenny Miller 6
Joe Mason 2
Rob Earnshaw 1
Rudy Gestede 1

So who is the most effective striker at the club well for me it has to be Joe Mason. In front of goal he takes only 3.5 attempts to score and that it better than any player since our return to the Championship, better than Chopra who averaged 4.3 and Peter Thorne who averaged 4.1.

When you add the absolutely stunning statistic that 78% of his shots at goal are on target it shows we hae a fantastic prospect in young Joe. I wonder what he is worth on the transfer market today and what he will be worth in a couple of years if he ontinues to progress.

It's Miller.

And it's Miller by a mile.

It's Miller.

And it's Miller by a mile.

I think that Miller is a top class player at Championship level and it is almost impossible to overstate his value to the team because of his ability to play a number of roles within differing tactical formations well. I also think that his experience is probably invaluable in the dressing room as well.

I started this poll in the hope that people would look beyond one missed opportunity in a game because there is so much more to Kenny Miller than scoring goals. It disappointed me that there were so many threads having a pop at him because he simply doesn't deserve it and neither does any player who has worn the shirt for the Bluebirds this season.

Having said that I still believe Joe Mason is an absolute gem and his ability to score a goal every 3.5 attempts at goal is fantastic for a player in his first season at Championship level. Also having 78% of his shots on goal being on target is absolutely amazing.

For me Kenny Miller is not just the most important forward to have fit he is probably our most important player in the squad, in many respects more important than Whitts because we do not have another player who can play the variety of roles KM has and to play them so well.

But in front of goal sorry it's Joe Mason, a real gem for me.

Interesting to see that Miller is BOTTOM of all those stats tables you posted Gary - Bar the ones that count! GOALS & ASSISTS!

These proves that he is the most effective striker we have - He can have 1000 shots on target 2000 off target and however many minutes you like on the pitch and however many ratios you want to provide!

The fact remains that Miller scores the most, and provides the most. That is what a striker should bring to a game!

Another interesting stat to see would probably be the Miles/km of ground covered during 90 mins. I bet of all the strikers, Miller would top that one as well! not bad eh, for a 32 yr old!

Interesting to see that Miller is BOTTOM of all those stats tables you posted Gary - Bar the ones that count! GOALS & ASSISTS!

These proves that he is the most effective striker we have - He can have 1000 shots on target 2000 off target and however many minutes you like on the pitch and however many ratios you want to provide!

The fact remains that Miller scores the most, and provides the most. That is what a striker should bring to a game!

Another interesting stat to see would probably be the Miles/km of ground covered during 90 mins. I bet of all the strikers, Miller would top that one as well! not bad eh, for a 32 yr old!

Earnie wouldn't even cover 1km. He'd just race off to the opposition goalposts at kick off and sit there until the ball came to him.

So Miller won.