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Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:42 pm
IN SYRIA WHILE CHILDREN AND INNOCENT PEOPLE GET SLAUGHTERED.
We let Palestine be destroyed by the Jews.
Yet we attack other countries that did far less, some did virtually nothing
Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:52 pm
it's about time we did nothing in my opinion, we've got involved in too much in the past it's about time we left it too others to sort out, and we can't afford it we're in a recession
Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:55 pm
This does not supprise me.Lets be fair annis we only attacked iraq and other countrys for OIL=profit and that was leaded by the yanks which as normal are lapdog goverment played follow the leader,then us the the tax payer foot the bill in the long run to go with the already debt ridden country we are paying for.The systems had it from human rights to war crimes.
Thu Feb 09, 2012 6:59 pm
There is no oil in Syria so we have no vested interests. Same with Zimbabwe-mugabe murders his own and we do nothing about it. We invaded Iraq because of oil and the fact that Blair was up George Bushes arse. Same with afghanistan and libya.
What gets me is that we can't sort our own country out-drugs are out of control, millions out of work and a health and education service that aren't fit for purpose. Really we need to sort GB out before we interfere with other places.
Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:00 pm
Gareth (Wilts) wrote:There is no oil in Syria so we have no vested interests. Same with Zimbabwe-mugabe murders his own and we do nothing about it. We invaded Iraq because of oil and the fact that Blair was up George Bushes arse. Same with afghanistan and libya.
What gets me is that we can't sort our own country out-drugs are out of control, millions out of work and a health and education service that aren't fit for purpose. Really we need to sort GB out before we interfere with other places.
Correct Gareth.
This country should be sorted out first, its in a hell of a mess as it is.
Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:04 pm
The powers that gave the nod have not been made accountable for it thats what gets me we invaid other countrys and kill there leaders (gadaffi was the latest because we funded the banshe group gangs to do it) rather than get are hands dirty.Then moved to the oil fields 2weeks after his death,Yet we killed 1000s of innocent people in the process not just this example but theres others.That makes us the same as the leaders who have done the same crimes (killing people)we are out to get in the 1st place

Madness.
Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:05 pm
Forever Blue wrote:Gareth (Wilts) wrote:There is no oil in Syria so we have no vested interests. Same with Zimbabwe-mugabe murders his own and we do nothing about it. We invaded Iraq because of oil and the fact that Blair was up George Bushes arse. Same with afghanistan and libya.
What gets me is that we can't sort our own country out-drugs are out of control, millions out of work and a health and education service that aren't fit for purpose. Really we need to sort GB out before we interfere with other places.
Correct Gareth.
This country should be sorted out first, its in a hell of a mess as it is.
The other thing that gets me is that the Israelis are able to attack Palestinians yet when Gadaffi/Hussain attacked people in their own country GB/USA condemned then invaded. Israel has territory which it is not entitled too under the 1948 agreement-why arent they made to give the West Bank and Gaza strip back. As soon as Iraq took Kuwait they (rightly) had their arses kicked back into their own land.
Alot of The middle east problems revolve around Israel.
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Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:05 pm
i ain't got a problem with the uk and our allies protecting our supply of oil, lets be honest the west is f#cked without it , millions would lose their jobs the country would grind to a halt, but i agree we should be honest about it and not pretend we get in involved in conflicts for the good of the civilans of the countries
Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:06 pm
im struggling to see what we can do the Syrian Government are trying to quell a rebellion which is a legitimate act and in line with a moral war and theSyrian Government still have strong support from the country, the way they are fighting the war maybe immoral but we cant go in with the idea of regime change unless the vast majority of Syria's population want it and call for help but to do that they will have found their own governmental organisation like Libya did. Plus Russia brings a further complication they have a large naval base in the country, so if anyone should take the lead on this it should be the Russians because they will have to protect their own interests.
Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:08 pm
One word RELIGION and then the knock on effect.
Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:55 pm
Forever Blue wrote:Gareth (Wilts) wrote:There is no oil in Syria so we have no vested interests. Same with Zimbabwe-mugabe murders his own and we do nothing about it. We invaded Iraq because of oil and the fact that Blair was up George Bushes arse. Same with afghanistan and libya.
What gets me is that we can't sort our own country out-drugs are out of control, millions out of work and a health and education service that aren't fit for purpose. Really we need to sort GB out before we interfere with other places.
Correct Gareth.
This country should be sorted out first, its in a hell of a mess as it is.
I'm in agreement from the Western side of the pond that we need to sort out what's going on at home first. It's funny how life often imitates sport. In the U.S. our government policy of throwing money at problems is even less successful than the Riddler throwing money at the likes of JLloyd and Bywater et al last year. Will we never learn? Democrat or Republican, their answer to every problem seems to be to create a government agency to regulate it and then throw gross amounts of taxpayer dollars at it.
With regards to Iraqi oil (and I have a decent knowledge of U.S. gov't agreements with Iraq) strangely enough, U.S. companies aren't allowed to touch it. The two camps here either think that a) we only invaded for the oil or b) Iraqi oil reserves are going to be used to help the Iraqi build their own country. In reality, Iraqi oil is strictly forbidden for sale in the U.S. So either way, how stupid were we for going in the first place. We aren't allowed to use their oil here and we can't even buy it from them at fair market price. To think good people are dying for all of this is disgusting.
Meanwhile, we turn our heads to other conflicts where grave injustices are being committed.
Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:02 pm
We are dammed if we do and dammed when we dont - we can't win!!
I have total sympathy for those who want freedom etc but the arab countries themselves need to take action - if it suits them of course!!!
Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:04 pm
you are spot on, there is no money in it for us,
Afghanastan is all about money, access to the oil,
makes me sick
Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:06 pm
This kind of thing is happening in Syria it has top stop send in the troops.
http://m.worldstarhiphop.com/video.php? ... ldnXqfLu6m
Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:18 pm
Gareth (Wilts) wrote:There is no oil in Syria so we have no vested interests. Same with Zimbabwe-mugabe murders his own and we do nothing about it. We invaded Iraq because of oil and the fact that Blair was up George Bushes arse. Same with afghanistan and libya.
What gets me is that we can't sort our own country out-drugs are out of control, millions out of work and a health and education service that aren't fit for purpose. Really we need to sort GB out before we interfere with other places.
Prior to the unrest Syria produced 340,000 barrels of oil a day that figure is now down to 120,000 barrels. Russia has military interests in Syria which could well be one of the reasons why they vetoed the recent un resolution, China has strong economic ties with Syria which may be one of their reasons to veto the un vote. Add to that the close proximity of Israel/Palestine to Syria this could turn into something far bigger (this is far bigger than just oil) plus the yanks are far too busy plotting the downfall of another Middle Eastern enemy first.
Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:24 pm
They say religion will be blamed for the the end of the world,my thinking is americans will cause the end because they greedy bastards who wont keep their noses out of other countries business's.(unless they stand to make no money)
Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:24 pm
ihatealiens wrote:Gareth (Wilts) wrote:There is no oil in Syria so we have no vested interests. Same with Zimbabwe-mugabe murders his own and we do nothing about it. We invaded Iraq because of oil and the fact that Blair was up George Bushes arse. Same with afghanistan and libya.
What gets me is that we can't sort our own country out-drugs are out of control, millions out of work and a health and education service that aren't fit for purpose. Really we need to sort GB out before we interfere with other places.
Prior to the unrest Syria produced 340,000 barrels of oil a day that figure is now down to 120,000 barrels. Russia has military interests in Syria which could well be one of the reasons why they vetoed the recent un resolution, China has strong economic ties with Syria which may be one of their reasons to veto the un vote. Add to that the close proximity of Israel/Palestine to Syria this could turn into something far bigger (this is far bigger than just oil) plus the yanks are far too busy plotting the downfall of another Middle Eastern enemy first.
Thanks for info-didn't know about Syria's oil.
I suspect the yanks are more interested in Iran......
Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:34 pm
Gareth (Wilts) wrote:ihatealiens wrote:Gareth (Wilts) wrote:There is no oil in Syria so we have no vested interests. Same with Zimbabwe-mugabe murders his own and we do nothing about it. We invaded Iraq because of oil and the fact that Blair was up George Bushes arse. Same with afghanistan and libya.
What gets me is that we can't sort our own country out-drugs are out of control, millions out of work and a health and education service that aren't fit for purpose. Really we need to sort GB out before we interfere with other places.
Prior to the unrest Syria produced 340,000 barrels of oil a day that figure is now down to 120,000 barrels. Russia has military interests in Syria which could well be one of the reasons why they vetoed the recent un resolution, China has strong economic ties with Syria which may be one of their reasons to veto the un vote. Add to that the close proximity of Israel/Palestine to Syria this could turn into something far bigger (this is far bigger than just oil) plus the yanks are far too busy plotting the downfall of another Middle Eastern enemy first.
Thanks for info-didn't know about Syria's oil.
I suspect the yanks are more interested in Iran......
Nail on head. Syria will fall into line once Iran have been put to the sword. Syria is the puppet Iran the puppeteer. Sad as it is all those poor people dying in Syria, its small potatoes compared to Iran (by the way they produce 4.1 million barrels a day and their oil transactions are no longer sold by the dollar. Other currencies are used - that's what its all about) and their threats to close the straits of Hormuz. If they did so the American Juggernaut would grind to a halt.
Thu Feb 09, 2012 8:54 pm
annis, i think it is a case of? whats in it for us. if the super power countries dont benefit from intervening. then nothing is said. i watched a programme 2 years ago. about the congo. women being raped in the streets. and then had there limbs cut off etc. oil is the main cause for war. i think the argies are wanting the falklands back again. because they say oil has been found. and to think we used to fight over the city
Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:02 pm
1 WORD OIL
Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:15 pm
i thinks its about time we did nowt to b honest! - i do feel for the innocents that are getting hurt etc but its nowt to do with us!
to b honest the last thing we need is russia to poke theyre nose in cos they have close allies with syria, i read an interesting article earlier about WW3 (someone posted it on here) and if we keep pissing other countrys off then thats where its gonna go!
Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:30 pm
annis cause we are going to be at war with the arrgies again over the oil in the south Atlantic
Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:05 pm
wez 1927 wrote:annis cause we are going to be at war with the arrgies again over the oil in the south Atlantic
Wez, I can see that coming very soon.
Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:07 pm
Forever Blue wrote:wez 1927 wrote:annis cause we are going to be at war with the arrgies again over the oil in the south Atlantic
Wez, I can see that coming very soon.
Breaking news on sky the Argies have complained to the UN abour Britain here we go again.
Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:20 pm
Its just postering by the argies because its coming up to the 30th anaversy of the last time we kicked there arses! There's fukall they or the UN can do! The people of the island want to remain british, its as simple as that! The argies would never want another war with britain because although we have made cutbacks to our forces our technology has moved on 30years and there armed forces equipment is bacicly the same as what it was 30years ago, even if they had help from chili etc, they'd still get fukin humiliated!
Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:27 am
What do you suggest we do Forever Blue ?
Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:04 am
Not enough oil there to get them interested.
As always its the poor children and innocent people of all these countries that suffer, and I include Iraq and Afganistan when I say that.The Arab league could and should do more.Israel has been allowed to get away with far too much in this region as well because of its links with the USA and im afraid thats where the terrorist/fundamentalists get their ammunition from to wage war on the west.Frankly the whole reion is now in chaos and without saudi/arab league intervention we are on the verge of many more innocent people being killed.
Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:10 am
Britain should not be involved in any wars that are not of british interest, the troops (who are heroic, but great people are sadly dying for rubbish causes) should be pulled out of afghanistan instantly, we are not the world police
Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:16 am
f**k....
Do any of you even bother to read a newspaper?
Russia and China's Syria veto 'disgusting and shameful', says US:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2 ... o-us-videoSyria resolution vetoed by Russia and China at United Nations:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/fe ... resolutionThe US and UK are trying to help, but are being blockled by Russia and China.
Some of you don't have a f*cking clue what's going on in the world.
Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:56 am
Did you see that gutless Tory wanker on the news last night with his "oooww, they want to be careful because something might happen in the future to them" Or words to that effect. Wow that's really going to scare them. What you going to do - go there and let his f*cking tyres down?
Annis, this government don't have the balls to stand up to Europe so they can sort a terrorist out who's allowed to walk our streets. What chance then of them sorting Syria out.
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