"MY PERSONAL OPINION ON JAY BOTHROYD"

Jay Bothroyd @ Cardiff City.

133 appearances, 45 goals.

Clubs - Arsenal, Coventry, Perugia, Charlton, Wolves, Cardiff City & QPR (Not forgetting an appearance for England). Some experience there wouldn't you say? And still at the ripe old age of 29.

We all know his class showed for the majority of the time he was at Cardiff City. We saw the tackles, the tracking back, the defending from set pieces and more importantly - the goals!

Yes there were many times when fans felt aggrieved of the way he'd go to ground so easily, or sometimes the lack of effort in games, and even moaning to the ref instead of knuckling down and getting the job done. But the fact remains he was one of the leagues most prolific scorers at his spell with our club, regardless of his diminishing effort after being called up for an England cap. Christ, even Whittingham admitted in his recent interview with MTDB's Dai Towler that Jay had managed to contribute a hell of alot to Whitts' goals that season with the penalties and free-kicks he won for the team.

There was more to Jay than just banging them in the net. He was our big target man, a player that could hold up play so well, bring others into the game, play some wonderful cross pitch passes, and assist as well as score. Just the player our team is crying out for right now!

But then there was that negative side to his game, the whinging & moaning when decisions weren't going his way, the lack of effort and the head hanging when we would go a goal down, the lack of determination in games where you think he would have a big effect. What has to be considered if there were a possibility of bringing Jay back to the club, is whether the positives would out-weigh the negatives? That can be left open to debate i suppose - so I'll let you get on with that bit below!

We have to remember though, (and this is my opinion) the man in charge at the time was Dave Jones,and he did have a knack of getting the most out of players with a past history of poor disciplinary control. But they way in which Jones would take training sessions and his advise to players ("do what you feel is right on the pitch, you're the ones playing!") theory would potentially come across as a fairly lack lustre morale boosting instruction.

There are probably many things that contributed to the way in which Bothroyd acted/behaved in his later year at the club. Playing whilst injured (sometimes Forced to play), allowed the freedom of night and a very open social life, force to sit out games when needed, after an exchange of words with the hierachy, and many more of the stories and possible rumours that were floating about at the time, Including the almost completed sale of Jay to Fulham - Only to be told to get yourself back to Cardiff - You aren't going anywhere (One thing I think had a major effect on the rest of his few months with our club!) Especially when he'd thought he'd got his dream move back to the Premiership and the City of night life and lights - London.

Anyway, without going too much into it, I have to say that under Malky Mackay - I think he'd would come down off his high horse, soak up the passion, effort and team spirit that is so much a bigger part of Cardiff City since the Scot took charge of our club, and realise he'd have to change his ways if he were to rebuild his connection not only with the club but our fans as well and to fit back in to the club that gave him his big break again to allow him to finally reach the premier league. I would imagine that he has learn't alot about his past and his future since leaving Cardiff, and if the opportunity were to arise - like to think he'd want to correct some of the opinions a minority of fans have of him.

Anyway, and admmitedly - I gave Jay some stick myself in the past, just as many other fans did when we felt that he needed reminding of his circumstances and of how lucky he was! But I will personally admit - that I would be happy with Jay coming back to Cardiff on loan, if the opportunity were to arise - I just get a feeling that Malky is a man to leave an astounding mark upon his players, and Jay would respect him alot more than any of his more recent managers thus getting the right attitude out of him.

I'm not sure how likely or possible this opportunity would be, I'm just putting my bit of spin on things, and I know there will be people that will disagree and shoot me down too, But he was a good player for us when he knuckled down, he would fit in here well with our style of play, as long as he is willing to adjust and learn the Malky way!

Form is temporary - Class is permanent, and in this division - Jay was one of the outstanding players of the last 2 years.

good post Merlin

Good Post Merlin, Although he was very much more good than bad in his time here.You can see why he has had so many clubs in his career, He simply has not got the right attitude to succeed at the top to match his ability.I am grateful to have have seen him in a city shirt but i 100% do not want him back here upsetting team morale.

Bothroyd can do one.

Craig, I def do not want him back and I would be shocked/stunned if Malky did.

He'd upset the camp straight away with his jumped up ego, him and his disloyalty can go to hell as far as Im concerned.

He'd upset the camp straight away with his jumped up ego, him and his disloyalty can go to hell as far as Im concerned.

And lying or sitting on the pitch for 50% of the game.

He'd upset the camp straight away with his jumped up ego, him and his disloyalty can go to hell as far as Im concerned.

And lying or sitting on the pitch for 50% of the game.

True, as if Malky would put up with him. I still blame Bothroyd for bottleing the play off final.

I was speaking hyperthetically - but I bet you wouldn't be complaining if he was scoring 93rd minute winners this season?

Merlin,his decline sadly coincided with the England call up. He was never the same player afterwards and he wouln't fit in with the current work ethos. Look at Ipswich tuesday evening.Chopra and JET decided to have a go for a change, I like players to try and do their best every game not just when it suits them.

He'd upset the camp straight away with his jumped up ego, him and his disloyalty can go to hell as far as Im concerned.

And lying or sitting on the pitch for 50% of the game.

True, as if Malky would put up with him. I still blame Bothroyd for bottleing the play off final.

What being force to play with an injury? What player in his right mind would not want to play at Wembley.....

He'd upset the camp straight away with his jumped up ego, him and his disloyalty can go to hell as far as Im concerned.

And lying or sitting on the pitch for 50% of the game.

True, as if Malky would put up with him. I still blame Bothroyd for bottleing the play off final.

What being force to play with an injury? What player in his right mind would not want to play at Wembley.....

Someone who dont have the balls for it.

Craig I agree Jay is class at this level but for me he went missing in the real big games so I would be amazed if MM would have in back.

I also believe that once a player says no to the club, and Jay did just that in turning back a contract offer, thats it. Jay was offered a new contract and said no so it's thanks but no thanks from me.

A pity because he is class at this level.

Ironically, Jay at his best would fit very well into the system that Malky plays, and I'm sure Malky wouldn't let him be a prima donna here. The emphasis in this phrase is placed on "at his best".

You will never get some of the more influential members of this board to agree with that, as they see Jay as forever associated with the Jones era.

Although Jay may have had a busy social life, it was a lot less destructive than a lot of star players than we had in recent years.

If he comes with the right attitude and Malky instills the right work ethic in him, I'd welcome him back into this team.

Nah f**k him.
he had his chance and as soon as he got the shout for England he didn't want to know us.

Liam Brady ruined him at Arsenal....the miserable jackeyne whore that he is

I'm glad I've caused quite a stir here and got people posting about real football matters! This is what forum's are for!

I'm glad I've caused quite a stir here and got people posting about real football matters! This is what forum's are for!

My personal opinion of Bothroyd is he's the only striker I have seen who would rather stay out the box than get in the box. He drifts wide as he doesn't like sticking his neck on the line where it hurts. He's a bottler, a cry baby, a fairy and he throws the towel in when things don't go his own way. His attitude and work rate is pathetic, he shits out of challenges, he's gutless, he's a coward and since his England cap he thought he was too good for us. He is the exact player Malky would not want, his character would have a negative influence on the teams performance and the moral within the squad as a whole. He would be a disruptive influence. In case you haven't guessed yet, to summarise, I think Bothroyd coming back to us would be a complete and utter disaster!

My personal opinion of Bothroyd is he's the only striker I have seen who would rather stay out the box than get in the box. He drifts wide as he doesn't like sticking his neck on the line where it hurts. He's a bottler, a cry baby, a fairy and he throws the towel in when things don't go his own way. His attitude and work rate is pathetic, he shits out of challenges, he's gutless, he's a coward and since his England cap he thought he was too good for us. He is the exact player Malky would not want, his character would have a negative influence on the teams performance and the moral within the squad as a whole. He would be a disruptive influence. In case you haven't guessed yet, to summarise, I think Bothroyd coming back to us would be a complete and utter disaster!

So in other words blue you wouldn't want him back.

Having him back would be huge, massive plus on promotion.
Can't see it happening sadly.

I'd rather Leo come back but I'd settle for Jay

I totally agree pal I think malky would definitely push Jay to be more of a team player and when he knuckles down his class would come through and i think dj had alot to do with the way jay was by letting the players make their own choices,so me personally would love to see the Jay bothroyd of old help us into the premiership!!!!

If messi was like jay would he not play for barca? Am sure he would still. Ronaldo falls over on average 1000000 a game but still plays. Jay might not run arould like a headless chicken like some of the current lads. But has the quality that makes up for it at this level. My opinion anyway

Your all saying he would be lazy but then again MM would actually get the best ouf of him.
Naylor was a pisstake in some games before but against Brum he was quality!

Personally I thought Jay was class but I was lucky enough to sit next to Malky at a dinner a few months ago and it was clear that Jay was not his type of player and from that I would be stunned if he now went for him.

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/pre ... j-campbell

Jay not leaving QPR included in 25 man squad so what ever we want he wont be back this season

Not gonna lie Merlin, I didnt read that.

But this is my theory :

I would rather peel the skin off my ball bag with a rusty old nail file, then proceed to dip the swollen bloodied testicles into a sea of strong malt vinegar!! Than see Bothroyd back in a city shirt.

Not gonna lie Merlin, I didnt read that.

But this is my theory :

I would rather peel the skin off my ball bag with a rusty old nail file, then proceed to dip the swollen bloodied testicles into a sea of strong malt vinegar!! Than see Bothroyd back in a city shirt.

I think I speak for the whole forum when I say we'll hold you to that.

Not gonna lie Merlin, I didnt read that.

But this is my theory :

I would rather peel the skin off my ball bag with a rusty old nail file, then proceed to dip the swollen bloodied testicles into a sea of strong malt vinegar!! Than see Bothroyd back in a city shirt.

I think I speak for the whole forum when I say we'll hold you to that.

as long as you hold them for me

Not gonna lie Merlin, I didnt read that.

But this is my theory :

I would rather peel the skin off my ball bag with a rusty old nail file, then proceed to dip the swollen bloodied testicles into a sea of strong malt vinegar!! Than see Bothroyd back in a city shirt.

Stop standing on the fence