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lack of ambition showing

Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:14 am

I have been following the transfer sagas over the last few weeks, and don't exactly think that we have set the world on fire with ambition this transfer window. I sincerely hope to be proven wrong, but the pursestrings don't seem to have been loosened as much as some might think. To add to this, Malky runs a tight ship, so idle gossip from ex-staff members and players currently out on loan has dried up. The "exclusives" seem to be weaker than gnat's piss nowadays. We really need to strengthen pretty sharpish, the signing of an inexperienced young kid and Elliott Parish hasn't exactly bolstered what is going to be a colossal push towards the promised land. I think Malky is inspirational, and have enjoyed watching City more than I have for many years, but hope and pray that the wheels don't start working loose in the next few months.

Re: lack of ambition showing

Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:17 am

tomcat wrote:I have been following the transfer sagas over the last few weeks, and don't exactly think that we have set the world on fire with ambition this transfer window. I sincerely hope to be proven wrong, but the pursestrings don't seem to have been loosened as much as some might think. To add to this, Malky runs a tight ship, so idle gossip from ex-staff members and players currently out on loan has dried up. The "exclusives" seem to be weaker than gnat's piss nowadays. We really need to strengthen pretty sharpish, the signing of an inexperienced young kid and Elliott Parish hasn't exactly bolstered what is going to be a colossal push towards the promised land. I think Malky is inspirational, and have enjoyed watching City more than I have for many years, but hope and pray that the wheels don't start working loose in the next few months.



Tom, We have put out everything that has happened, we cant make names up and we cant make City buy players.

Re: lack of ambition showing

Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:29 am

tomcat wrote:I have been following the transfer sagas over the last few weeks, and don't exactly think that we have set the world on fire with ambition this transfer window. I sincerely hope to be proven wrong, but the pursestrings don't seem to have been loosened as much as some might think. To add to this, Malky runs a tight ship, so idle gossip from ex-staff members and players currently out on loan has dried up. The "exclusives" seem to be weaker than gnat's piss nowadays. We really need to strengthen pretty sharpish, the signing of an inexperienced young kid and Elliott Parish hasn't exactly bolstered what is going to be a colossal push towards the promised land. I think Malky is inspirational, and have enjoyed watching City more than I have for many years, but hope and pray that the wheels don't start working loose in the next few months.


That's a good post tomcat :ayatollah: - As Annis says names have not gone out as a mark of respect to MM and the club.
If people want to drop a tweet giving a name,or the press going with a story,then members on this forum ( and other boards ) will pick up on it and post names...the info is then not secret ;)

I HOPE WE BRING IN NEW PLAYERS AS I HATE TO THINK WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF KEY PLAYERS ARE OUT FROM THE CURRENT SQUAD :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: lack of ambition showing

Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:02 am

What worries me most is if Miller or Whitts get injured then we are back in the same position as we were in the game we daren't talk about when Bothroyd came off! We need more strength in depth, we almost need 2 quality players for every position, we can then rotate where necessary. The problem we have is a lot of the squad players are not quite there, and when you combine this with very little game time, we have a player brought in to the team who is off the pace and lacking match practice. Quinn is a perfect example of this. Onwards and upwards!

Re: lack of ambition showing

Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:06 am

tomcat wrote:What worries me most is if Miller or Whitts get injured then we are back in the same position as we were in the game we daren't talk about when Bothroyd came off! We need more strength in depth, we almost need 2 quality players for every position, we can then rotate where necessary. The problem we have is a lot of the squad players are not quite there, and when you combine this with very little game time, we have a player brought in to the team who is off the pace and lacking match practice. Quinn is a perfect example of this. Onwards and upwards!


Loan window remains open.
Miller is a hard one to replace, it would take a change of shape with maybe mason and earnie.

Witts, well we won't replace him even if we spend big sorry to say.

Re: lack of ambition showing

Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:18 am

tomcat wrote:I have been following the transfer sagas over the last few weeks, and don't exactly think that we have set the world on fire with ambition this transfer window. I sincerely hope to be proven wrong, but the pursestrings don't seem to have been loosened as much as some might think. To add to this, Malky runs a tight ship, so idle gossip from ex-staff members and players currently out on loan has dried up. The "exclusives" seem to be weaker than gnat's piss nowadays. We really need to strengthen pretty sharpish, the signing of an inexperienced young kid and Elliott Parish hasn't exactly bolstered what is going to be a colossal push towards the promised land. I think Malky is inspirational, and have enjoyed watching City more than I have for many years, but hope and pray that the wheels don't start working loose in the next few months.


Good post but i expect the name callers to post sooner or later just for you posting an opinion.As for lack of ambition well i knew that before the season kicked off/loan window opened and closed with are squad numbers.Its showed even this transfer window with less than 24hrs left but like you said 1-2 injurys to key players then what .I really can not see some 150k kid getting us to the promise land so to speak even though we are 3rd and doing better than anyone expected but is there no better time for 3-4 signings than now or will we all be watching a team slipping down the league if we get a few injurys,Only time will tell whos rite or wrong :ayatollah:

Re: lack of ambition showing

Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:39 am

tomcat wrote:I have been following the transfer sagas over the last few weeks, and don't exactly think that we have set the world on fire with ambition this transfer window. I sincerely hope to be proven wrong, but the pursestrings don't seem to have been loosened as much as some might think. To add to this, Malky runs a tight ship, so idle gossip from ex-staff members and players currently out on loan has dried up. The "exclusives" seem to be weaker than gnat's piss nowadays. We really need to strengthen pretty sharpish, the signing of an inexperienced young kid and Elliott Parish hasn't exactly bolstered what is going to be a colossal push towards the promised land. I think Malky is inspirational, and have enjoyed watching City more than I have for many years, but hope and pray that the wheels don't start working loose in the next few months.



People seem to have short memories regarding what malky said back in july.
he stated that it would take three transfer windows for him to assemble a squad capable of challenging for the premiership.
there is nothing wrong with signing youngsters with potential and malky has not gone far wrong so far with the likes of mason, turner etc.
The other thing we have to realise is that whatever malky signs now he has to sign with a view to them being able to compete in the premiership should we get promoted in may.
January is also notourious for players being overpriced etc and malky has already stated he will not pay over the odds. He has his own valuation of what players are worth and wont go beyond that.
I would rather he did not sign anyone for the sake of appeasing impatient fans and get players in on loan who can go back to their parent clubs at the end of the season.
God forbid we sign another parkin or jay lloyd samuel just for the sake of it

Re: lack of ambition showing

Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:13 am

steve davies wrote:
tomcat wrote:I have been following the transfer sagas over the last few weeks, and don't exactly think that we have set the world on fire with ambition this transfer window. I sincerely hope to be proven wrong, but the pursestrings don't seem to have been loosened as much as some might think. To add to this, Malky runs a tight ship, so idle gossip from ex-staff members and players currently out on loan has dried up. The "exclusives" seem to be weaker than gnat's piss nowadays. We really need to strengthen pretty sharpish, the signing of an inexperienced young kid and Elliott Parish hasn't exactly bolstered what is going to be a colossal push towards the promised land. I think Malky is inspirational, and have enjoyed watching City more than I have for many years, but hope and pray that the wheels don't start working loose in the next few months.



People seem to have short memories regarding what malky said back in july.
he stated that it would take three transfer windows for him to assemble a squad capable of challenging for the premiership.
there is nothing wrong with signing youngsters with potential and malky has not gone far wrong so far with the likes of mason, turner etc.
The other thing we have to realise is that whatever malky signs now he has to sign with a view to them being able to compete in the premiership should we get promoted in may.
January is also notourious for players being overpriced etc and malky has already stated he will not pay over the odds. He has his own valuation of what players are worth and wont go beyond that.
I would rather he did not sign anyone for the sake of appeasing impatient fans and get players in on loan who can go back to their parent clubs at the end of the season.
God forbid we sign another parkin or jay lloyd samuel just for the sake of it



I agree with you. Maybe I am impatient but maybe I have reviewed my consolidation and foundation stance that I had at the start of the season. We must remember -we have to play all the top clubs again (we have struggled against most of them) plus we have a cup final watched by millions. This is opportunity that was not expected and I for one want to be prepared to grasp it.

I don't fear a dramatic slide or a humiliation at wembley, although both are plausible events.
Time for plan B and escalate that 3 window strategy maybe?

Re: lack of ambition showing

Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:27 am

I fear the impatience being shown on the message boards regarding transfers is due to the "near misses" of the past few seasons rather than a reflection of the fans view of our new manager.

We don't want ( can't afford) to have panic buys on a good wage on a 2-3 year contract and I want the team focussing on tonights game.

:ayatollah:

Re: lack of ambition showing

Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:33 am

Lack of money is showing.....

Re: lack of ambition showing

Tue Jan 31, 2012 8:33 am

i dont think its impatience from fans, i think it is because our expectations have changed since start of season
we acceptedwhat Malky said when he joined as none of us were expecting such a good season, but things have changed, we are in a Carling Cup Final and within 2 points of automatic, so hence, the boards stance should of changed and took the extra step now to ensure that we could maintain the challenge, we have punched above our weight with the squad we have, they should be applauded for what they have done, but the hard work starts from now and Malky and the board should of taken the extra step to help us maintain our level.

IF WE DONT MAKE PLAYOFFS NOW, IT WILL BE CLASSED AS FAILURE,

Re: lack of ambition showing

Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:04 am

Deano1 wrote:Lack of money is showing.....


Ive been saying this since the start of the season but get called all sorts of names on this mb :lol:

Re: lack of ambition showing

Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:21 am

bluebird1977 wrote:
Deano1 wrote:Lack of money is showing.....


Ive been saying this since the start of the season but get called all sorts of names on this mb :lol:

where's the money we supposedly had available to sign Bellamy? :lol:

Re: lack of ambition showing

Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:27 am

Deano1 wrote:
bluebird1977 wrote:
Deano1 wrote:Lack of money is showing.....


Ive been saying this since the start of the season but get called all sorts of names on this mb :lol:

where's the money we supposedly had available to sign Bellamy? :lol:


Same place as the money we got from having a supposed half the wage bill as last years squad or the 1million that we are supposed to have made from cup games so far ,maybe on debts or whatever me or you will never know.What i do know is this if whitts or any other reg player leaves today then we will be shafted for sure becasue a 150k signing will mean nothing if one/two leave last min today but i guess we will see whos in the line up tonight for that to develope :ayatollah:

Re: lack of ambition showing

Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:28 am

"You wont win anything with kids"

Maybe, just maybe :D :ayatollah:

ps spending money doesn't gaurantee anything but debt ;)

Re: lack of ambition showing

Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:36 am

bluebird1977 wrote:
Deano1 wrote:Lack of money is showing.....


Ive been saying this since the start of the season but get called all sorts of names on this mb :lol:


so do you and deano think that if malky thinks noone is worth a maximum of 600k and brighton want 1million plus add ons that he should spend that money on noone or look elsewhere.
i personally hope he dosent spend that type of money on noone because have a look at his injury record its not great viewing

Re: lack of ambition showing

Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:02 am

steve davies wrote:
bluebird1977 wrote:
Deano1 wrote:Lack of money is showing.....


Ive been saying this since the start of the season but get called all sorts of names on this mb :lol:


so do you and deano think that if malky thinks noone is worth a maximum of 600k and brighton want 1million plus add ons that he should spend that money on noone or look elsewhere.
i personally hope he dosent spend that type of money on noone because have a look at his injury record its not great viewing


long season better to get the right people in at the right price. If Malky thinks he's over priced better to walk away than waste the money we do have

Re: lack of ambition showing

Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:06 am

no i dont, if malky thinks he is worth 600k then to pay more than say 650k would be silly, but he should have had his eye on other players, our lack of pace is there for all to see, team crying out for it and yes conway has had good 2-3 games but his place needs to be put under pressure and cowie needs to go back to the role that suits him best, in the middle, so I think another target should of been ready to go for.

This team are so close to getting there and its a chance that should not be missed

Re: lack of ambition showing

Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:15 am

steve davies wrote:
bluebird1977 wrote:
Deano1 wrote:Lack of money is showing.....


Ive been saying this since the start of the season but get called all sorts of names on this mb :lol:


so do you and deano think that if malky thinks noone is worth a maximum of 600k and brighton want 1million plus add ons that he should spend that money on noone or look elsewhere.
i personally hope he dosent spend that type of money on noone because have a look at his injury record its not great viewing

No I dont think he should buy anyone for more than they are worth.....I just have doubts about how serious we are about signing players. I don't think we'll be signing anyone today....I don't believe the money is there.

Re: lack of ambition showing

Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:44 am

Deano1 wrote:
steve davies wrote:
bluebird1977 wrote:
Deano1 wrote:Lack of money is showing.....


Ive been saying this since the start of the season but get called all sorts of names on this mb :lol:


so do you and deano think that if malky thinks noone is worth a maximum of 600k and brighton want 1million plus add ons that he should spend that money on noone or look elsewhere.
i personally hope he dosent spend that type of money on noone because have a look at his injury record its not great viewing

No I dont think he should buy anyone for more than they are worth.....I just have doubts about how serious we are about signing players. I don't think we'll be signing anyone today....I don't believe the money is there.

deano

the money that is available will cover signings or loans so if malky thinks there's no value in signing anyone permanently then he will wait for the loan window which will still mean paying out for wages and loan fee's.
malky and tg have said the money is available so you have to trust them as far as im concerned.

Re: lack of ambition showing

Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:52 am

Steve,

Football is a funny old game, as you know, and sometimes even the most trustworthy people in the game say things for the benefit of the fans and the media that don't always reflect the true position behind the scenes. Not just about money, about things like injuries, bust-ups etc. I like Malky and I like the Malaysians, but I also know that they are in the football business.....

Re: lack of ambition showing

Tue Jan 31, 2012 10:54 am

steve davies wrote:
Deano1 wrote:
steve davies wrote:
bluebird1977 wrote:
Deano1 wrote:Lack of money is showing.....


Ive been saying this since the start of the season but get called all sorts of names on this mb :lol:


so do you and deano think that if malky thinks noone is worth a maximum of 600k and brighton want 1million plus add ons that he should spend that money on noone or look elsewhere.
i personally hope he dosent spend that type of money on noone because have a look at his injury record its not great viewing

No I dont think he should buy anyone for more than they are worth.....I just have doubts about how serious we are about signing players. I don't think we'll be signing anyone today....I don't believe the money is there.

deano

the money that is available will cover signings or loans so if malky thinks there's no value in signing anyone permanently then he will wait for the loan window which will still mean paying out for wages and loan fee's.
malky and tg have said the money is available so you have to trust them as far as im concerned.


Just like the money was supposed to be there for the last loan window .It never got used (as i expected)yet we played with mason up front for 3games one of which miller got injured at hull after a few mins and we then got one point from nine vs hull,ipswich and peterbrough without miller yet the loan window was there then at this time .This is why we need to get players in because losing miller/whitts to injury or any reg player today get SOLD then whos to step in of the same or better standard .There is no better time to push on than now MM needs backing for sure but if not then when will there ever is a better time or postion like we are in now. :ayatollah:

Re: lack of ambition showing

Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:22 am

tomcat wrote:I have been following the transfer sagas over the last few weeks, and don't exactly think that we have set the world on fire with ambition this transfer window. I sincerely hope to be proven wrong, but the pursestrings don't seem to have been loosened as much as some might think. To add to this, Malky runs a tight ship, so idle gossip from ex-staff members and players currently out on loan has dried up. The "exclusives" seem to be weaker than gnat's piss nowadays. We really need to strengthen pretty sharpish, the signing of an inexperienced young kid and Elliott Parish hasn't exactly bolstered what is going to be a colossal push towards the promised land. I think Malky is inspirational, and have enjoyed watching City more than I have for many years, but hope and pray that the wheels don't start working loose in the next few months.


We offered in the region of 1.5m (inc add-ons) for Noone.

Should we have offered 3m??

We'd have got him then.

Or should we be happy if our manager says "f**k you. your not worth more than that, I've
got better players in my team already who WANT to play for me!!"

He has a blueprint of the sort of player he wants to bring to Cardiff City and I'll back
his decisions 100%.... even though I'm pissed off too, cos I want to see a couple new
signings.

We have got it good at this Club right now, time people started realising it.

Rome wasnt built in a day.

Re: lack of ambition showing

Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:34 am

steve davies wrote:
bluebird1977 wrote:
Deano1 wrote:Lack of money is showing.....


Ive been saying this since the start of the season but get called all sorts of names on this mb :lol:


so do you and deano think that if malky thinks noone is worth a maximum of 600k and brighton want 1million plus add ons that he should spend that money on noone or look elsewhere.
i personally hope he dosent spend that type of money on noone because have a look at his injury record its not great viewing


Noone is never worth £m+. Malky know's this. Never heard of him, until about three weeks ago. Has'nt exactly made a lot of headlines.

Re: lack of ambition showing

Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:50 am

imo noone appears not to be the type of player we want injury prone (possibly) doesnt seem to eager to join us ,anything over £500k is too much :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: lack of ambition showing

Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:19 pm

I can't believe how much time i have spent today (off since 1pm) watching Skysports, reading the internet and listening to the radio about signings! Total waste of 8 hours of my life! I don't believe Malky had been backed with money for one minute, we have been spun another yarn..........

Re: lack of ambition showing

Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:28 pm

We may not have a chance again to be in this position. No body knows what next season will bring, but surely being so near the top of the division extra effort should have been made to get players in who can do a job and cover other players if the need arose. Roberts going to reading for 1, he could have done a job here. I hope I'm proved wrong but with a couple of our better players out we would be a mediocre side.

Hopefully I'm wrong and players do come in.
:ayatollah:

Re: lack of ambition showing

Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:33 pm

I've been very frustrated as I really think we've missed our opportunity.

I've been willing players in since sept.
Everyone can see what we need

Its not the end of my world but a real shame.
Brum, Hull, Boro, Palace, leicester - teams like that we are battling to stay with at the end
Where we should/could be battling w ham for the title.

Hard fought battling draws could have changed to wins
If we could finish and score

Well done cardiff
But with our rivals doing well - the heat is on and we need to be seen as
Ambitious if we want to attract the quality

Re: lack of ambition showing

Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:34 pm

We may not have a chance again to be in this position.


I'm pretty sure that has been said every year for quite some time :roll:

Re: lack of ambition showing

Tue Jan 31, 2012 9:34 pm

I dont believe the Malaysians are quite ready for the premiership yet, they want to more or less sort out the debts first. As they have said in the past, "we have got to build this Club up from the bottom and not from the top" meaning lets sort out all the backstage problems first and foremost and get this Club stable, which I believe they are doing. Trouble is if we dont get any players in and struggle towards the end of the season and dont make the promised land (which most didn't expect this season)
Will the present players be up for it next season, I hope so.