" The fantastic atmosphere last night proves "

that the problem of lack of atmosphere really lies with the fact that like minded supporters are no longer able to congregate in areas together because of our large amount of season ticket holders. The poor atmosphere you could say has been a result of our own success, because anyone and everyone was able to buy tickets to sit with their mates or like minded people, then the atmosphere was back to how it felt at Ninian Park.
We cant, of course halt season ticket sales, but I do think that if the club really thought this through, and deemed it important, there could be a way of having singing sections, where only those prepared to sing and open to standing would go, 3 such sections around the ground would achieve it, and make a huge difference to league games.

that the problem of lack of atmosphere really lies with the fact that like minded supporters are no longer able to congregate in areas together because of our large amount of season ticket holders. The poor atmosphere you could say has been a result of our own success, because anyone and everyone was able to buy tickets to sit with their mates or like minded people, then the atmosphere was back to how it felt at Ninian Park.
We cant, of course halt season ticket sales, but I do think that if the club really thought this through, and deemed it important, there could be a way of having singing sections, where only those prepared to sing and open to standing would go, 3 such sections around the ground would achieve it, and make a huge difference to league games.

Excellent post.



Exactly how I feel.

Also I think it showed how much the club itself has been damaging the atmosphere through the OTT behaviour of some of the stewards. We stood throughout all the game last night in the Ninian, and were not made to sit once. Compare that to previous games where the atmosphere suffered a fair bit once the stewards had come through making people sit down. I think the opening up of the segregation zone by 118/119 helped a fair bit as well, as ironically did the Palace fans themselves (they were very loud, and in some periods where we got a bit quieter, it seemed as if their singing made us respond back).

that the problem of lack of atmosphere really lies with the fact that like minded supporters are no longer able to congregate in areas together because of our large amount of season ticket holders. The poor atmosphere you could say has been a result of our own success, because anyone and everyone was able to buy tickets to sit with their mates or like minded people, then the atmosphere was back to how it felt at Ninian Park.
We cant, of course halt season ticket sales, but I do think that if the club really thought this through, and deemed it important, there could be a way of having singing sections, where only those prepared to sing and open to standing would go, 3 such sections around the ground would achieve it, and make a huge difference to league games.

but thats what the canton stand is for
the club said this is the singing section where we want all our singers
so if your a singer why arent you in the canton stand
or if your not a singer why did you elect to purchase your season ticket in the canton stand
as for fans and friends congregating together
you all do in the canton stand
because every time we have a complaint in the canton stand and we ask the man or woman about the issue the first response which ive heard time and time again is well it cant be me because i wasnt in my seat because somebody was already there
so
either you are congregating together or the fans are lying about their seats not being available
simple solution sing
if you open your mouth words come out its not difficult

Exactly im in ninian 116 i reckon that block should be bouncing every game, if you dont want to sing go in another area and get more vocal fans into the area, i was in the disabled section last night with my mate and the ninian stand looked impressive fair play, wish it was like that every game, what where the stewards like last night on the sit down policy

but thats what the canton stand is for

And what about those of us who want the great atmosphere, standing and singing, but also prefer to watch the game from the side?

what where the stewards like last night on the sit down policy

They didn't bother at all! Not once. Just left us be to stand and sing.

Standing helps the atmosphere greatly. Also i felt the palace fans being behind the goal gives a more condusive atmosphere rather than being in the corner

Personally didn't see the stewards tell anyone to sit down, and where I was it seemed quite well respected to when u stood or sat. Was in middle of 114/115. Even had the stewards joining in at the end of the game!

And toe that's what's needed, all the big voices should become stewards! Walk around and get everyone going...

but thats what the canton stand is for

And what about those of us who want the great atmosphere, standing and singing, but also prefer to watch the game from the side?

what where the stewards like last night on the sit down policy

They didn't bother at all! Not once. Just left us be to stand and sing.

well you want to raise the issue of the Ninian stand to the stadium management team nothing to do with stewarding
your arguing with the wrong people

Exactly im in ninian 116 i reckon that block should be bouncing every game, if you dont want to sing go in another area and get more vocal fans into the area, i was in the disabled section last night with my mate and the ninian stand looked impressive fair play, wish it was like that every game, what where the stewards like last night on the sit down policy

I agree

that the problem of lack of atmosphere really lies with the fact that like minded supporters are no longer able to congregate in areas together because of our large amount of season ticket holders. The poor atmosphere you could say has been a result of our own success, because anyone and everyone was able to buy tickets to sit with their mates or like minded people, then the atmosphere was back to how it felt at Ninian Park.
We cant, of course halt season ticket sales, but I do think that if the club really thought this through, and deemed it important, there could be a way of having singing sections, where only those prepared to sing and open to standing would go, 3 such sections around the ground would achieve it, and make a huge difference to league games.

but thats what the canton stand is for
the club said this is the singing section where we want all our singers
so if your a singer why arent you in the canton stand
or if your not a singer why did you elect to purchase your season ticket in the canton stand
as for fans and friends congregating together
you all do in the canton stand
because every time we have a complaint in the canton stand and we ask the man or woman about the issue the first response which ive heard time and time again is well it cant be me because i wasnt in my seat because somebody was already there
so
either you are congregating together or the fans are lying about their seats not being available
simple solution sing
if you open your mouth words come out its not difficult

But not everyone wants to be stuck behind the goal.

The club once again allowed us to stand for a big game last night, Hmm, yet when there is a smaller crowd we will be picked on.

that the problem of lack of atmosphere really lies with the fact that like minded supporters are no longer able to congregate in areas together because of our large amount of season ticket holders. The poor atmosphere you could say has been a result of our own success, because anyone and everyone was able to buy tickets to sit with their mates or like minded people, then the atmosphere was back to how it felt at Ninian Park.
We cant, of course halt season ticket sales, but I do think that if the club really thought this through, and deemed it important, there could be a way of having singing sections, where only those prepared to sing and open to standing would go, 3 such sections around the ground would achieve it, and make a huge difference to league games.

but thats what the canton stand is for
the club said this is the singing section where we want all our singers
so if your a singer why arent you in the canton stand
or if your not a singer why did you elect to purchase your season ticket in the canton stand
as for fans and friends congregating together
you all do in the canton stand
because every time we have a complaint in the canton stand and we ask the man or woman about the issue the first response which ive heard time and time again is well it cant be me because i wasnt in my seat because somebody was already there
so
either you are congregating together or the fans are lying about their seats not being available
simple solution sing
if you open your mouth words come out its not difficult

But not everyone wants to be stuck behind the goal.

The club once again allowed us to stand for a big game last night, Hmm, yet when there is a smaller crowd we will be picked on.

raise it with the stadium management team
nothing to do with stewarding
but i suppose youll ignore this post as its easier to blame stewards than have an argument with the stadium management team

that the problem of lack of atmosphere really lies with the fact that like minded supporters are no longer able to congregate in areas together because of our large amount of season ticket holders. The poor atmosphere you could say has been a result of our own success, because anyone and everyone was able to buy tickets to sit with their mates or like minded people, then the atmosphere was back to how it felt at Ninian Park.
We cant, of course halt season ticket sales, but I do think that if the club really thought this through, and deemed it important, there could be a way of having singing sections, where only those prepared to sing and open to standing would go, 3 such sections around the ground would achieve it, and make a huge difference to league games.

but thats what the canton stand is for
the club said this is the singing section where we want all our singers
so if your a singer why arent you in the canton stand
or if your not a singer why did you elect to purchase your season ticket in the canton stand
as for fans and friends congregating together
you all do in the canton stand
because every time we have a complaint in the canton stand and we ask the man or woman about the issue the first response which ive heard time and time again is well it cant be me because i wasnt in my seat because somebody was already there
so
either you are congregating together or the fans are lying about their seats not being available
simple solution sing
if you open your mouth words come out its not difficult

But not everyone wants to be stuck behind the goal.

The club once again allowed us to stand for a big game last night, Hmm, yet when there is a smaller crowd we will be picked on.

raise it with the stadium management team
nothing to do with stewarding
but i suppose youll ignore this post as its easier to blame stewards than have an argument with the stadium management team

I wont ignore it at all and I do tell Wayne Nash, head of all.
When have I had a go at you because you are a steward ?

well you want to raise the issue of the Ninian stand to the stadium management team nothing to do with stewarding
your arguing with the wrong people

It has been raised by various people, but the clubs answer seems to be "you have the canton".
It is just stupid, if we are allowed to stand and sing for a game like yesterdays, then why not others?
Not sure if you will answer this, but what are you stewards told? Are you told to be lenient about it and not worry about it for certain games (like yesterdays).
I have some sympathy with stewards like you, because you are damned if you do and damned if you don't. It doesn't make it any less frustrating as a fan though.

that the problem of lack of atmosphere really lies with the fact that like minded supporters are no longer able to congregate in areas together because of our large amount of season ticket holders. The poor atmosphere you could say has been a result of our own success, because anyone and everyone was able to buy tickets to sit with their mates or like minded people, then the atmosphere was back to how it felt at Ninian Park.
We cant, of course halt season ticket sales, but I do think that if the club really thought this through, and deemed it important, there could be a way of having singing sections, where only those prepared to sing and open to standing would go, 3 such sections around the ground would achieve it, and make a huge difference to league games.

but thats what the canton stand is for
the club said this is the singing section where we want all our singers
so if your a singer why arent you in the canton stand
or if your not a singer why did you elect to purchase your season ticket in the canton stand
as for fans and friends congregating together
you all do in the canton stand
because every time we have a complaint in the canton stand and we ask the man or woman about the issue the first response which ive heard time and time again is well it cant be me because i wasnt in my seat because somebody was already there
so
either you are congregating together or the fans are lying about their seats not being available
simple solution sing
if you open your mouth words come out its not difficult

But not everyone wants to be stuck behind the goal.

The club once again allowed us to stand for a big game last night, Hmm, yet when there is a smaller crowd we will be picked on.

raise it with the stadium management team
nothing to do with stewarding
but i suppose youll ignore this post as its easier to blame stewards than have an argument with the stadium management team

I wont ignore it at all and I do tell Wayne Nash, head of all.
When have I had a go at you because you are a steward ?

i never said you did have a go at me
but stewards do seem to be the blame for everything
when as far as stadium configuration or where the club says you can or cannot stand is very much in the hands of Wayne not the stewards

well you want to raise the issue of the Ninian stand to the stadium management team nothing to do with stewarding
your arguing with the wrong people

It has been raised by various people, but the clubs answer seems to be "you have the canton".
It is just stupid, if we are allowed to stand and sing for a game like yesterdays, then why not others?
Not sure if you will answer this, but what are you stewards told? Are you told to be lenient about it and not worry about it for certain games (like yesterdays).
I have some sympathy with stewards like you, because you are damned if you do and damned if you don't. It doesn't make it any less frustrating as a fan though.

me and Annis have had a discussion about that and im not willing to voice it in public on the grounds the club probably read this forum and I do like my job and dont want to lose it

well you want to raise the issue of the Ninian stand to the stadium management team nothing to do with stewarding
your arguing with the wrong people

It has been raised by various people, but the clubs answer seems to be "you have the canton".
It is just stupid, if we are allowed to stand and sing for a game like yesterdays, then why not others?
Not sure if you will answer this, but what are you stewards told? Are you told to be lenient about it and not worry about it for certain games (like yesterdays).
I have some sympathy with stewards like you, because you are damned if you do and damned if you don't. It doesn't make it any less frustrating as a fan though.

me and Annis have had a discussion about that and im not willing to voice it in public on the grounds the club probably read this forum and I do like my job and dont want to lose it

We have had a good discussion on it.
But thats why I was shocked you said I would blame the stewards not the heads of dept, I know they are to blame.

well you want to raise the issue of the Ninian stand to the stadium management team nothing to do with stewarding
your arguing with the wrong people

It has been raised by various people, but the clubs answer seems to be "you have the canton".
It is just stupid, if we are allowed to stand and sing for a game like yesterdays, then why not others?
Not sure if you will answer this, but what are you stewards told? Are you told to be lenient about it and not worry about it for certain games (like yesterdays).
I have some sympathy with stewards like you, because you are damned if you do and damned if you don't. It doesn't make it any less frustrating as a fan though.

me and Annis have had a discussion about that and im not willing to voice it in public on the grounds the club probably read this forum and I do like my job and dont want to lose it

We have had a good discussion on it.
But thats why I was shocked you said I would blame the stewards not the heads of dept, I know they are to blame.

maybe an over exaggeration on my part but in my defence instead of being happy because weve made it to Wembley (again lol) ive spent most of the day defending stewards

well you want to raise the issue of the Ninian stand to the stadium management team nothing to do with stewarding
your arguing with the wrong people

It has been raised by various people, but the clubs answer seems to be "you have the canton".
It is just stupid, if we are allowed to stand and sing for a game like yesterdays, then why not others?
Not sure if you will answer this, but what are you stewards told? Are you told to be lenient about it and not worry about it for certain games (like yesterdays).
I have some sympathy with stewards like you, because you are damned if you do and damned if you don't. It doesn't make it any less frustrating as a fan though.

me and Annis have had a discussion about that and im not willing to voice it in public on the grounds the club probably read this forum and I do like my job and dont want to lose it

We have had a good discussion on it.
But thats why I was shocked you said I would blame the stewards not the heads of dept, I know they are to blame.

maybe an over exaggeration on my part but in my defence instead of being happy because weve made it to Wembley (again lol) ive spent most of the day defending stewards

I am over the world, yes lets look on what a great night it was and without a doubt it was.

Exactly im in ninian 116 i reckon that block should be bouncing every game, if you dont want to sing go in another area and get more vocal fans into the area, i was in the disabled section last night with my mate and the ninian stand looked impressive fair play, wish it was like that every game, what where the stewards like last night on the sit down policy

I disagree, I go in ninian 116 with plenty of mates, most of us don't want to stand all game. If YOU want to stand and sing go in the Canton stand,simple as that.

Exactly im in ninian 116 i reckon that block should be bouncing every game, if you dont want to sing go in another area and get more vocal fans into the area, i was in the disabled section last night with my mate and the ninian stand looked impressive fair play, wish it was like that every game, what where the stewards like last night on the sit down policy

I disagree, I go in ninian 116 with plenty of mates, most of us don't want to stand all game. If YOU want to stand and sing go in the Canton stand,simple as that.

Tough titty Phil. Don't be selfish. Me and my mates wish to stand in the Ninian stand, so WE can have more great nights like last night. . Where's your punk spirit gone.

If YOU want to sit then pip pip for you

Exactly im in ninian 116 i reckon that block should be bouncing every game, if you dont want to sing go in another area and get more vocal fans into the area, i was in the disabled section last night with my mate and the ninian stand looked impressive fair play, wish it was like that every game, what where the stewards like last night on the sit down policy

I disagree, I go in ninian 116 with plenty of mates, most of us don't want to stand all game. If YOU want to stand and sing go in the Canton stand,simple as that.

Tough titty Phil. Don't be selfish. Me and my mates wish to stand in the Ninian stand, so WE can have more great nights like last night. . Where's your punk spirit gone.

If YOU want to sit then pip pip for you

ha ha,very good,get behind the goals with the rest of the up-standing choral legions...pip pip...

that the problem of lack of atmosphere really lies with the fact that like minded supporters are no longer able to congregate in areas together because of our large amount of season ticket holders. The poor atmosphere you could say has been a result of our own success, because anyone and everyone was able to buy tickets to sit with their mates or like minded people, then the atmosphere was back to how it felt at Ninian Park.
We cant, of course halt season ticket sales, but I do think that if the club really thought this through, and deemed it important, there could be a way of having singing sections, where only those prepared to sing and open to standing would go, 3 such sections around the ground would achieve it, and make a huge difference to league games.

I agree with all that.

Also, we blame ourselves as fans too much for the lack of atmosphere.....where a lot of the blame should go with the away support. What I'm trying to say is every time the away team bring a good following and they're up for it (Palace yesterday and Pompey) then the atmosphere is great, and when the away team bring about 200 hundred quiet feckers then the atmosphere is crap because there's no one to compete with to get the atmosphere going and there's only so much we can sing without retaliation before it gets boring! It takes both sets of fans to get an atmosphere going.

Exactly im in ninian 116 i reckon that block should be bouncing every game, if you dont want to sing go in another area and get more vocal fans into the area, i was in the disabled section last night with my mate and the ninian stand looked impressive fair play, wish it was like that every game, what where the stewards like last night on the sit down policy

I disagree, I go in ninian 116 with plenty of mates, most of us don't want to stand all game. If YOU want to stand and sing go in the Canton stand,simple as that.

Off to the grandstand you go then
Last night was great as we were mostly left alone to stand and sing and little if no trouble happened, which just proves that the usual policy at the stadium is a load of crap.

I have said it many times before blocks 116 and 117 should be designated has the singing section where a more 'lenient' view is taken to standing i know it would take a fair bit of rearranging but i am sure with a lot of talking and reorganisation it could be done

I really don't get this issue at all - there is a singing section (where standing is 'tolerated' to a large extent).

The reason why people who want to stand won't go there is because they want to be childish and be as close to the away fans as possible (the usual macho posteuring nonsnese that makes these people think they're somehow 'hard' if they chant obscenities at away fans).

In my view, the club are not as strong as they should be in enforcing the non standing rule in the Ninian stand as for persistent standing in that stand, I would issue lengthy bans - that would sort the nonsense out!

Thank goodness I'm down the other end of the Ninian stand, where there is more civilised behaviour - I feel sorry for people who just want to sit and watch a decent game of football without people standing up all around them who have season tickets down near the away end of the ninian stand.

Also, no one seems to care that when we go away to watch the team, people like me are forced to stand (unless we just want to see the back of the person in from of us) - that's a non issue of course, as none of the vocal minority on here care about that at all, as they are getting their way then!

I also feel sorry for the stewards, who are the easy target for such abuse - but they've got my full support.

Anyway, enough about nonsense like this - lets look forward to a Wembley final and beating Southampton to go into the top 2

I really don't get this issue at all - there is a singing section (where standing is 'tolerated' to a large extent).

Two problems with that.
1 - Many people simply do not want to be stuck behind the goal. They prefer watching the game from the side.
2 - The poor acoustics of the stadium mean it can be hard for noise to travel to the other side of the stadium. Even if the canton is making a tonne of noise, it can be hard to hear it in the far end of the Ninian / away fans section / family stand. Because of that, just one singing area cannot be the answer to the atmosphere issue. We need at least two (one on either side of the stadium).

The reason why people who want to stand won't go there is because they want to be childish and be as close to the away fans as possible (the usual macho posteuring nonsnese that makes these people think they're somehow 'hard' if they chant obscenities at away fans).

Or perhaps as I said, they prefer watching games from the side of the pitch?
Also, there is nothing at all wrong with enjoying the back and forth banter with away fans. It is part of football, and if we disallow that, then I fear for the future of physical crowds at football games.

Thank goodness I'm down the other end of the Ninian stand, where there is more civilised behaviour - I feel sorry for people who just want to sit and watch a decent game of football without people standing up all around them who have season tickets down near the away end of the ninian stand.

1 - Wanting to stand during a football match is not "uncivilised".
2 - What about those who just want to stand and watch a decent game of football without people sitting down all around them?

Also, no one seems to care that when we go away to watch the team, people like me are forced to stand (unless we just want to see the back of the person in from of us)

Then don't go to away games.

Also, no one seems to care that when we go away to watch the team, people like me are forced to stand (unless we just want to see the back of the person in from of us)

Then don't go to away games.

or sit in the front row of the away end, where some people often sit, rather than going in the middle of the stand and moaning you can sit down!

the fact is, you need banter for singing/chanting to keep going and from the canton you cant hear the away fans and vise versa.
i like to be on top of em

Exactly im in ninian 116 i reckon that block should be bouncing every game, if you dont want to sing go in another area and get more vocal fans into the area, i was in the disabled section last night with my mate and the ninian stand looked impressive fair play, wish it was like that every game, what where the stewards like last night on the sit down policy

I disagree, I go in ninian 116 with plenty of mates, most of us don't want to stand all game. If YOU want to stand and sing go in the Canton stand,simple as that.

Off to the grandstand you go then
Last night was great as we were mostly left alone to stand and sing and little if no trouble happened, which just proves that the usual policy at the stadium is a load of crap.

it's all good banter,imo all the old grandstand block A upper and lower should be in the ' new ' grandstand,if you were one of those,then off YOU go,if not you're welcome to come and sit in ninian 116...