" ARE THE OWNERS BACKING CARDIFF CITY FOOTBALL CLUB?? "

Just wondering what the majority of us all think?

We are all saying "If Malky gets this etc"... are they backing him etc

But bigger picture...

Are these fellers good for Cardiff City or are they bad, have they let us
down? Have they promised and failed to deliver.

Are we better off with them at the helm or would we be better served
by other owners?

im happy with where we are, personally i think we need two players, maybe three. if we have to loan them in instead of buying players then thats fine with me. getting rid of high earners who are replaceable (like parkin, hudson and earnie) will be the top priority next season, and weather the board are throwing money at us or not, we can then bring players in

Just wondering what the majority of us all think?

We are all saying "If Malky gets this etc"... are they backing him etc

But bigger picture...

Are these fellers good for Cardiff City or are they bad, have they let us
down? Have they promised and failed to deliver.

Are we better off with them at the helm or would we be better served
by other owners?

Dave,

I will give all my honest opinions come January 31st 2012

At the moment Malky has been the one who has got us all going and brought a smile to my and made me love my football again.

According ot Dave Jones the Malaysians want promotion on the cheap. He elaborated on this by saying they would not spend money on buying players but were quite happy to pay for a loanee. Apparently there were better players out there last season and we could have had them if we stumped up the cash to buy them.

Before Dave Jones got the sack he presented a business plan for this season which most likely included buying a number of players. As we know MM replaced him and has brought in his own players with not exactly a lot of money spent. Most likely MM has saved them loads of spending money compared ot DJs shopping list and so far things are surprisingly looking good.

Summing up it is clear the Malaysians are reluctant to spend. The only way they will I believe is if they feel confortable with the man in charge, that is the manager. 3 months in charge for MM and there is nothing there to say the Malaysians are uncomfortable. However is this time long enough or more to the point has enough been achieved for the Malaysians to relax? I suppose this January will tell us more.

According ot Dave Jones the Malaysians want promotion on the cheap. He elaborated on this by saying they would not spend money on buying players but were quite happy to pay for a loanee. Apparently there were better players out there last season and we could have had them if we stumped up the cash to buy them.

Before Dave Jones got the sack he presented a business plan for this season which most likely included buying a number of players. As we know MM replaced him and has brought in his own players with not exactly a lot of money spent. Most likely MM has saved them loads of spending money compared ot DJs shopping list and so far things are surprisingly looking good.

Summing up it is clear the Malaysians are reluctant to spend. The only way they will I believe is if they feel confortable with the man in charge, that is the manager. 3 months in charge for MM and there is nothing there to say the Malaysians are uncomfortable. However is this time long enough or more to the point has enough been achieved for the Malaysians to relax? I suppose this January will tell us more.

Being an outsider I'll give my opinion on it if you don't mind.

Football is going through a bad patch and I can't see it getting better. West Ham will spend big because they want wembley and they have to be in the prem. Do any of us want our clubs going down the road of financial crisis?

In his first season did you expect to be where you are now? One thing I do not know, did the Malaysians promise to spend big this season?

Your future is brighter than ours, enjoy it.

Being an outsider I'll give my opinion on it if you don't mind.

Football is going through a bad patch and I can't see it getting better. West Ham will spend big because they want wembley and they have to be in the prem. Do any of us want our clubs going down the road of financial crisis?

In his first season did you expect to be where you are now? One thing I do not know, did the Malaysians promise to spend big this season?

Your future is brighter than ours, enjoy it.[/quote]

I think you are correct Forest Lad. The money being spent in the Championship is being spent more wisely at present. As you say West Ham must be desperate to get back to the Prem and are probably shitting bricks right now.

I definitely believe they are backing the club. It obviously doesn't seem like they are spending as much on playing staff this year, but they are still paying off DJ and taking care of historic debts in ways our previous owners hadn't. From what I can tell, the moves that the owners have made are smart and in the interest of our long term future. Also, don't forget it was the owners who brought in Malky and his philosophy/style. Give me Gunnarsson and those grow lights for the pitch over JET, JLloyd, and incessant winding up orders any day. That's the difference between our current and former owners.

I contrast our previous regime with our current owners by offering the following analogy: The Ridsdale era was equivalent to a household where they bought as many lottery tickets as they could and hoped that they would win. They spent without regard to the family eating or being able to pay bills and take care of basic needs. The TG/Tan era has been like the family who watches their budget, makes sure the bills get paid, and plans for the future. Our current owners operate the club within the club's means, the previous owners made shady back room deals (i.e. Ranson deal) for short term cash with the hope of making it to the premier league.

In essence, our previous owners put all their eggs in the Premiership basket and we damn near lost our club in doing so. Our present owners are acting with prudence and care with the hope of building something that will succeed yet without putting the club in peril.

By the way, we're 4th in the damn league and the team are giving 100%! It seems like some on here would prefer the club to be teetering on the brink of extinction with a squad of overpaid prima donas and the tax man on our ass...but I guess it wouldn't be supporting CCFC if it were any different. Happy New Year all!

Firstly, better owners?? I dont remember a queue when we were minutes from being wound up apart from there guarantee of money that saved us.

Lets remember they were going to pull out if we didnt win the play/off final? then if we didnt go up last season?
Instead of pulling out they have made for a new manager, entire new backroom staff, spent money on players like Mason, Gunnarsson, Miller, Turner. If they had no interest they didnt need to buy anyone, we would have scrapped by with just free transfers.

Are they backing MM?
Well to be honest when they took over transfer funds was the last thought in my mind, firstly I hoped they kept the club alive. Then to try and keep HMRC off our back every month and to be able to pay the player and staffs wages.

I remember Annis saying before they took over that they planned to cut right back at the club and make us self sufficient and EVERYONE being delighted. I just feel our fans are greedy just like the players they claim to hate like Chopra and Bothroyd.

I personally wish they cut back much further in the first season they were in charge.

Firstly, better owners?? I dont remember a queue when we were minutes from being wound up apart from there guarantee of money that saved us.

Lets remember they were going to pull out if we didnt win the play/off final? then if we didnt go up last season?
Instead of pulling out they have made for a new manager, entire new backroom staff, spent money on players like Mason, Gunnarsson, Miller, Turner. If they had no interest they didnt need to buy anyone, we would have scrapped by with just free transfers.

Are they backing MM?
Well to be honest when they took over transfer funds was the last thought in my mind, firstly I hoped they kept the club alive. Then to try and keep HMRC off our back every month and to be able to pay the player and staffs wages.

I remember Annis saying before they took over that they planned to cut right back at the club and make us self sufficient and EVERYONE being delighted. I just feel our fans are greedy just like the players they claim to hate like Chopra and Bothroyd.

I personally wish they cut back much further in the first season they were in charge.

I do agree with you there Luke, we are greedy but so is every football fan.

I think football has become a greedy sport, all about money and not about the game sadly

I honestly believe fans would prefer we paid 2m for a crap player than signed a good player on a free.

Firstly, better owners?? I dont remember a queue when we were minutes from being wound up apart from there guarantee of money that saved us.

Lets remember they were going to pull out if we didnt win the play/off final? then if we didnt go up last season?
Instead of pulling out they have made for a new manager, entire new backroom staff, spent money on players like Mason, Gunnarsson, Miller, Turner. If they had no interest they didnt need to buy anyone, we would have scrapped by with just free transfers.

Are they backing MM?
Well to be honest when they took over transfer funds was the last thought in my mind, firstly I hoped they kept the club alive. Then to try and keep HMRC off our back every month and to be able to pay the player and staffs wages.

I remember Annis saying before they took over that they planned to cut right back at the club and make us self sufficient and EVERYONE being delighted. I just feel our fans are greedy just like the players they claim to hate like Chopra and Bothroyd.

I personally wish they cut back much further in the first season they were in charge.

I do agree with you there Luke, we are greedy but so is every football fan.

us fans are gready

at the start of the season, most people was happy with 8-12th.. now they want automatic

Firstly, better owners?? I dont remember a queue when we were minutes from being wound up apart from there guarantee of money that saved us.

Lets remember they were going to pull out if we didnt win the play/off final? then if we didnt go up last season?
Instead of pulling out they have made for a new manager, entire new backroom staff, spent money on players like Mason, Gunnarsson, Miller, Turner. If they had no interest they didnt need to buy anyone, we would have scrapped by with just free transfers.

Are they backing MM?
Well to be honest when they took over transfer funds was the last thought in my mind, firstly I hoped they kept the club alive. Then to try and keep HMRC off our back every month and to be able to pay the player and staffs wages.

I remember Annis saying before they took over that they planned to cut right back at the club and make us self sufficient and EVERYONE being delighted. I just feel our fans are greedy just like the players they claim to hate like Chopra and Bothroyd.

I personally wish they cut back much further in the first season they were in charge.

I do agree with you there Luke, we are greedy but so is every football fan.

us fans are gready

at the start of the season, most people was happy with 8-12th.. now they want automatic

Thats a complete myth which has been put round by some on this board. I think most didn't want us to go backwards which meant the playoffs like DJ beforehim.

Well I was, and im sure most people will admit they were too

Malky had preformed miracles for this club, so we need to back him 100%. New players or no new players

Firstly, better owners?? I dont remember a queue when we were minutes from being wound up apart from there guarantee of money that saved us.

Lets remember they were going to pull out if we didnt win the play/off final? then if we didnt go up last season?
Instead of pulling out they have made for a new manager, entire new backroom staff, spent money on players like Mason, Gunnarsson, Miller, Turner. If they had no interest they didnt need to buy anyone, we would have scrapped by with just free transfers.

Are they backing MM?
Well to be honest when they took over transfer funds was the last thought in my mind, firstly I hoped they kept the club alive. Then to try and keep HMRC off our back every month and to be able to pay the player and staffs wages.

I remember Annis saying before they took over that they planned to cut right back at the club and make us self sufficient and EVERYONE being delighted. I just feel our fans are greedy just like the players they claim to hate like Chopra and Bothroyd.

I personally wish they cut back much further in the first season they were in charge.

I do agree with you there Luke, we are greedy but so is every football fan.

us fans are gready

at the start of the season, most people was happy with 8-12th.. now they want automatic

Glammy, they say that they would be content with midd table, but that would mean losing a lot more matches and if I am honest I really do not believe all our fans would of accepted that, a lot would vote with their feet and not turn up, seen it far to often in football.

Just wondering what the majority of us all think?

We are all saying "If Malky gets this etc"... are they backing him etc

But bigger picture...

Are these fellers good for Cardiff City or are they bad, have they let us
down? Have they promised and failed to deliver.

Are we better off with them at the helm or would we be better served
by other owners?

Makly has said that when he got the Job he had a plan in mined, and till now its still on track. So I would think he is ok about how they are backing him, as far as Money goes. Of course as Dave Jones said all Managers always want More money, But I think spend it wise and do your home work on players you want first to make sure they are 100% the right players to bring in.

I definitely believe they are backing the club. It obviously doesn't seem like they are spending as much on playing staff this year, but they are still paying off DJ and taking care of historic debts in ways our previous owners hadn't. From what I can tell, the moves that the owners have made are smart and in the interest of our long term future. Also, don't forget it was the owners who brought in Malky and his philosophy/style. Give me Gunnarsson and those grow lights for the pitch over JET, JLloyd, and incessant winding up orders any day. That's the difference between our current and former owners.

I contrast our previous regime with our current owners by offering the following analogy: The Ridsdale era was equivalent to a household where they bought as many lottery tickets as they could and hoped that they would win. They spent without regard to the family eating or being able to pay bills and take care of basic needs. The TG/Tan era has been like the family who watches their budget, makes sure the bills get paid, and plans for the future. Our current owners operate the club within the club's means, the previous owners made shady back room deals (i.e. Ranson deal) for short term cash with the hope of making it to the premier league.

In essence, our previous owners put all their eggs in the Premiership basket and we damn near lost our club in doing so. Our present owners are acting with prudence and care with the hope of building something that will succeed yet without putting the club in peril.

By the way, we're 4th in the damn league and the team are giving 100%! It seems like some on here would prefer the club to be teetering on the brink of extinction with a squad of overpaid prima donas and the tax man on our ass...but I guess it wouldn't be supporting CCFC if it were any different. Happy New Year all!

Great post mate and if this is typical of your viewpoint then you should post more often

Steve Davies (a great souce for info due to his great friendship with Steve Borley) posted the other day that TG/VT are investing £1m per month into CCFC.

This cash covers the shortfall in wages and pays off parts of the historic debt.

To me £1m p/m represents backing in any form you wish to mention. Asking then for further millions to play around with in the January transfer market does seem a little cheeky and well beyond reasonable expectations.

The club has to live within its own means and if money is needed for January then we had to generate it ourselves. We have had a great Cup run, got rid of fringe players on loan and on the back of a great league season sold more half-season tickets so that money should be given to MM to bring in HIS players during the January window.

However, any notion of an open cheque book is complete fantasy and simply won't happen, thank God.

I definitely believe they are backing the club. It obviously doesn't seem like they are spending as much on playing staff this year, but they are still paying off DJ and taking care of historic debts in ways our previous owners hadn't. From what I can tell, the moves that the owners have made are smart and in the interest of our long term future. Also, don't forget it was the owners who brought in Malky and his philosophy/style. Give me Gunnarsson and those grow lights for the pitch over JET, JLloyd, and incessant winding up orders any day. That's the difference between our current and former owners.

I contrast our previous regime with our current owners by offering the following analogy: The Ridsdale era was equivalent to a household where they bought as many lottery tickets as they could and hoped that they would win. They spent without regard to the family eating or being able to pay bills and take care of basic needs. The TG/Tan era has been like the family who watches their budget, makes sure the bills get paid, and plans for the future. Our current owners operate the club within the club's means, the previous owners made shady back room deals (i.e. Ranson deal) for short term cash with the hope of making it to the premier league.

In essence, our previous owners put all their eggs in the Premiership basket and we damn near lost our club in doing so. Our present owners are acting with prudence and care with the hope of building something that will succeed yet without putting the club in peril.

By the way, we're 4th in the damn league and the team are giving 100%! It seems like some on here would prefer the club to be teetering on the brink of extinction with a squad of overpaid prima donas and the tax man on our ass...but I guess it wouldn't be supporting CCFC if it were any different. Happy New Year all!

This is bang on the nail

No,malkay has been a miracle worker so far,but i also think the championship teams are poor this season.we need 3 or 4 decent player's and i think we would get promoted,but it seem's the owners havent got the money 2 buy players,i'm not talking mega bucks 2 sign players.how much have they spent on transfer's so far,not alot at all.if the owners want promotion,they should back malkay in the transfer market,but it won't happen.we will get 1 or 2 loan players,thats if they got money 4 their wages.i feel sorry 4 malkey,he is doing his job with his hands tied behind his back

I think we over paid last season on wages and everything, so i think the owners are trying to even out the books from last season. I think there trying to do there best, but without risking the clubs finnaces as they are already putting cash in the club.

According ot Dave Jones the Malaysians want promotion on the cheap. He elaborated on this by saying they would not spend money on buying players but were quite happy to pay for a loanee. Apparently there were better players out there last season and we could have had them if we stumped up the cash to buy them.

Before Dave Jones got the sack he presented a business plan for this season which most likely included buying a number of players. As we know MM replaced him and has brought in his own players with not exactly a lot of money spent. Most likely MM has saved them loads of spending money compared ot DJs shopping list and so far things are surprisingly looking good.

Summing up it is clear the Malaysians are reluctant to spend. The only way they will I believe is if they feel confortable with the man in charge, that is the manager. 3 months in charge for MM and there is nothing there to say the Malaysians are uncomfortable. However is this time long enough or more to the point has enough been achieved for the Malaysians to relax? I suppose this January will tell us more.

Being an outsider I'll give my opinion on it if you don't mind.

Football is going through a bad patch and I can't see it getting better. West Ham will spend big because they want wembley and they have to be in the prem. Do any of us want our clubs going down the road of financial crisis?

In his first season did you expect to be where you are now? One thing I do not know, did the Malaysians promise to spend big this season?

Your future is brighter than ours, enjoy it.

Are you a closet City fan or something?,you spend a lot of time on here even after your rants before the game Saturday which you didn't win as you predicted.

Time you pestered your own fans I reckon

I definitely believe they are backing the club. It obviously doesn't seem like they are spending as much on playing staff this year, but they are still paying off DJ and taking care of historic debts in ways our previous owners hadn't. From what I can tell, the moves that the owners have made are smart and in the interest of our long term future. Also, don't forget it was the owners who brought in Malky and his philosophy/style. Give me Gunnarsson and those grow lights for the pitch over JET, JLloyd, and incessant winding up orders any day. That's the difference between our current and former owners.

I contrast our previous regime with our current owners by offering the following analogy: The Ridsdale era was equivalent to a household where they bought as many lottery tickets as they could and hoped that they would win. They spent without regard to the family eating or being able to pay bills and take care of basic needs. The TG/Tan era has been like the family who watches their budget, makes sure the bills get paid, and plans for the future. Our current owners operate the club within the club's means, the previous owners made shady back room deals (i.e. Ranson deal) for short term cash with the hope of making it to the premier league.

In essence, our previous owners put all their eggs in the Premiership basket and we damn near lost our club in doing so. Our present owners are acting with prudence and care with the hope of building something that will succeed yet without putting the club in peril.

By the way, we're 4th in the damn league and the team are giving 100%! It seems like some on here would prefer the club to be teetering on the brink of extinction with a squad of overpaid prima donas and the tax man on our ass...but I guess it wouldn't be supporting CCFC if it were any different. Happy New Year all!

Well we know for a fact that Malky was unable to get 2 of his targets last September and they refused to back him. Maybe now they will as he has proved himself beyond doubt. 3rd in the league and in the Semi-Final of the Cup.

Just wondering what the majority of us all think?

We are all saying "If Malky gets this etc"... are they backing him etc

But bigger picture...

Are these fellers good for Cardiff City or are they bad, have they let us
down? Have they promised and failed to deliver.

Are we better off with them at the helm or would we be better served
by other owners?

Are you having a laugh???????

No,malkay has been a miracle worker so far,but i also think the championship teams are poor this season.we need 3 or 4 decent player's and i think we would get promoted,but it seem's the owners havent got the money 2 buy players,i'm not talking mega bucks 2 sign players.how much have they spent on transfer's so far,not alot at all.if the owners want promotion,they should back malkay in the transfer market,but it won't happen.we will get 1 or 2 loan players,thats if they got money 4 their wages.i feel sorry 4 malkey,he is doing his job with his hands tied behind his back

How can you feel sorry for Malky?? If he's been told lies about how much money
he can spend then fair enough. But if he's working to a pre-agreed budget, then
whats he got to moan about? He didnt have to take the job. The likeliest scenario
is that he sat down and listened to how the Club were looking to progress over
the next few seasons, liked what he heard and then impressed the owners with
his views and ideas. A marriage made in heaven some might say.

If it ever got to the stage where Malky felt the Club were holding back on him I
feel pretty sure he would let his feelings known. Mackay comes across as a straight
talking honest trustworthy feller. Why do we have such a barrier up from believing
that just once... we may have owners with the same principled views.

We want players. We want to go up. But the long term future and security of the Club
itself HAS to take priority.

We are now only two points behind West Ham who have spunked a right wedge of
money this season, and look at Leicester!!

Just wondering what the majority of us all think?

We are all saying "If Malky gets this etc"... are they backing him etc

But bigger picture...

Are these fellers good for Cardiff City or are they bad, have they let us
down? Have they promised and failed to deliver.

Are we better off with them at the helm or would we be better served
by other owners?

Are you having a laugh???????

Im serious. We are in a terrific place right now. Looking good. Is it
ALL down to Malky, or do the new Malaysian fellers deserve a pat on
the back too. I think they do!!

Annis I think the board have been proved right not giving him those players in September in my opinion. We have won the vast amount of games with out those two loans. Those players no doubt would have cost a loan fee and we have saved 4months wages x 2, would would have been wasted.


Are the malaysians backin the club? I think the question should be what would happen of they stopped putting money in?? I'd guess certain mass sales or administration.

Annis I think the board have been proved right not giving him those players in September in my opinion. We have won the vast amount of games with out those two loans. Those players no doubt would have cost a loan fee and we have saved 4months wages x 2, would would have been wasted.


Are the malaysians backin the club? I think the question should be what would happen of they stopped putting money in?? I'd guess certain mass sales or administration.

Luke.

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In that case I am with you completely, both have been fantastic, the improvements in the way this club is being run is amazing....

Well done to everyone at the club ! ! !

Im serious. We are in a terrific place right now. Looking good. Is it
ALL down to Malky, or do the new Malaysian fellers deserve a pat on
the back too. I think they do!![/quote]

In that case i am with you completely, how anyone can doubt them despite all they have done is beyond me

And as stated above they are already paying a million a month just to keep us afloat.

VT and TG and Malky and all of the team are doing an amazing job, we played a good Reading team right off the park and could have been five up at thirty five mins....