Big Man- Typical Broken Britain

As a number of people said during the week this would end in tears, Big man being investigated by the Plod and the ticket inspector "on leave"
Hopefully everybody on that train will come forward as character witnesses for both of them and that snotty chopsy student tw@t will get kicked out of college
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... court.html
This sort of thing is why i will never come back to the UK

As a number of people said during the week this would end in tears, Big man being investigated by the Plod and the ticket inspector "on leave"
Hopefully everybody on that train will come forward as character witnesses for both of them and that snotty chopsy student tw@t will get kicked out of college
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... court.html
This sort of thing is why i will never come back to the UK

I said the Big man would end up in trouble for trying to help, this country has gone potty.


Wheres the original video ?

Annis

Bottom of the article still has the video

Problem is the kid had a ticket, he got sold 2 tickets both going the same way instead of return tickets (clerical error ). There is such a thing as British Transport Police. They should have been called to deal with the matter. I wouldn't be surprised if the big fella gets prosecuted and the train employee can expect a severe reprimand if not the sack for not following company policy and health and safety guidelines.

Problem is the kid had a ticket, he got sold 2 tickets both going the same way instead of return tickets (clerical error ). There is such a thing as British Transport Police. They should have been called to deal with the matter. I wouldn't be surprised if the big fella gets prosecuted and the train employee can expect a severe reprimand if not the sack for not following company policy and health and safety guidelines.

If you research everything the man(he's a man, not a kid - kid suits the media) said you will find that he did have the right ticket and gave over the wrong one, he was then sold the wrong ticket that morning but just thought he would point it out after his exam, that he was sold the wrong ticket and didn't realise until later and at the end of all this - he only had one ticket on him, why doesn't that surpirse me. He also claimed to have no money but paid £20 for a taxi home. He is the boy who cried wolf, telling every paper a different story. If he spoke to me like that on my train and I'd have been sorely tempted to crack his jaw. He was drunk, foul mouthed and obnoxious and the whole episode went on for around ten minutes, not just the youtube clip. I expect the big fella to get into trouble but I'll be stunned if the conductor gets in any bother and it's something that the rest of us conductors are keeping a close eye on. Why should any of us have to put up with a nasty little scumbag like that while doing our job? The fella is on leave, he was asked if he wanted to use some of his leave while it was investigated and agreed to do so. The BTP should have been called but I can almost 100% guarantee you that they would either have been too far away or dealing with something they regard as far more important. They are very rarely on hand when you need them up here.

Why couldn't the kid pay for the ticket in the first place?

It's a tricky one. He didn't have the right to push him off the train, but at the same time the kid was being a little shit and totally deserved it. Be a shame if he got done for this.

As a number of people said during the week this would end in tears, Big man being investigated by the Plod and the ticket inspector "on leave"
Hopefully everybody on that train will come forward as character witnesses for both of them and that snotty chopsy student tw@t will get kicked out of college
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... court.html
This sort of thing is why i will never come back to the UK

If this stops you from coming back then good riddance, Singapore is welcome to you
How that banker is a hero is beyond me, he's as much of a tw*t as the student.

Why couldn't the kid pay for the ticket in the first place?

He had ample opportunity to buy a ticket, he refused.

Annis

Bottom of the article still has the video

Cheers.

Why couldn't the kid pay for the ticket in the first place?

He had ample opportunity to buy a ticket, he refused.

But why? We pay all our tickets so why can't he?!

the problem with this is the failure of the system
there should be no need of the 'Big Man' getting involved
not because he doesnt have a right to
but because this country is supposed to provide a service that prevents or deals with these situations when they occur
namely the police force
we have an entire force dedicated to transport services the British Transport Police
if for whatever reason this student cant provide a valid ticket be it
he didnt buy one
he lost his ticket
or
the ticket office provided him the wrong tickets
and he cant provide evidence for an accident
you call the police
so they can make decisions on whether a mistake has been made or the student is breaking the law
where were the police in this situation
why did the general public have to involve themselves in this incident
these are the questions that should be asked
not whether we should hang draw and quarter a man who just wanted to go home

Problem is the kid had a ticket, he got sold 2 tickets both going the same way instead of return tickets (clerical error ). There is such a thing as British Transport Police. They should have been called to deal with the matter. I wouldn't be surprised if the big fella gets prosecuted and the train employee can expect a severe reprimand if not the sack for not following company policy and health and safety guidelines.

If you research everything the man(he's a man, not a kid - kid suits the media) said you will find that he did have the right ticket and gave over the wrong one, he was then sold the wrong ticket that morning but just thought he would point it out after his exam, that he was sold the wrong ticket and didn't realise until later and at the end of all this - he only had one ticket on him, why doesn't that surpirse me. He also claimed to have no money but paid £20 for a taxi home. He is the boy who cried wolf, telling every paper a different story. If he spoke to me like that on my train and I'd have been sorely tempted to crack his jaw. He was drunk, foul mouthed and obnoxious and the whole episode went on for around ten minutes, not just the youtube clip. I expect the big fella to get into trouble but I'll be stunned if the conductor gets in any bother and it's something that the rest of us conductors are keeping a close eye on. Why should any of us have to put up with a nasty little scumbag like that while doing our job? The fella is on leave, he was asked if he wanted to use some of his leave while it was investigated and agreed to do so. The BTP should have been called but I can almost 100% guarantee you that they would either have been too far away or dealing with something they regard as far more important. They are very rarely on hand when you need them up here.

Apologies for calling him "a kid", he was so small in comparison to the thug that manhandled him he just looked like a kid to me. ok point taken he was a little man Yes maybe I should have researched it a little better? So tell me you being a train conductor how would you have been trained to deal with the matter? Apart from cracking his jaw of course. Does the company training manual tell you to allow a member of the public to throw a man half his size off the train and cause actual bodily harm? I doubt it. I don't work on the trains but even without researching it common sense tells me The British Transport Police should have been called to deal with the matter. Even so, I agree the little fellas language and behaviour was bad but the conductor could have done things let say a bit more quietly without having to bring in a member of the public?

Will try and answer properly when not using my phone. There's no doubt it looks as though it could have been handled better, bear in mind there was 10 minutes of this that wasn't filmed. On a side note, I see the BBC are reporting a stabbing on board a train between Southend and London, of a man just trying to do his job.

If the kid did by a ticket and they had messed it up, he had every right to stand his ground and stay in his seat. As a teenager, I once bought a ticket on a train from Aber, near Caerphilly (where there's no tkt office) to Cardiff. The guard said he didn't have change of a tenner and would pop back as soon as he had enough change. He took my tenner (all I had) and never issued me with a ticket. 3 stops later, a different guard came round and asked for my ticket. (They had changed guards at Caerphilly). I explained what had happened, but he didn't believe me and wanted to throw me off. It was only that others passengers backed up my story that I was allowed to stay on. When I got off in Queen Street, I was met by the transport police and spent 40 mins being interviewed by them. It was only when they rang the original guard (which took 40 mins of me persuading them to do so) that he backed up my story and they let me go. They wouldn't refund my change and said I had to write to them to get it, I did and never ever got a reply, apology or my money. So I have sympathy with the kid, if he genuinely bought a ticket.

It's too easy to only look at the story headlines "Gobby fare doger thrown off by have a go hero".

(Seems to ring a bell with me regarding a certain nutty lady on a train and some Cardiff fans recently)

The "Big man" should have kept his nose out.

The ticket man should have stopped being a jobsworth cunt and just listened for 2 minutes.

The "Big man" should have kept his nose out.

The ticket man should have stopped being a jobsworth cunt and just listened for 2 minutes.

He'd been listening for almost 13 minutes. The bloke was spinning him lines. Read the various press reports and read my post above if you want the facts.

Scotrail give us a basic course in conflict management. Personally I think it's bullshit as no training can gear you up for a situation like this or the one that saw ticket inspector stabbed last night. You try to calm and difuse the situation. If like in this case when someone is drunk and abusive then you are on to a loser from the start. He was asked for a ticket and he offered a ticket for a single journey going the opposite way from that morning. He refused to show a valid ticket and on more than one occasion told the conductor to f**k off. He was asked to buy a ticket and refused, at one point citing he had no money yet he later claims to have money in his bag and paid £20 for a taxi home(one in a number of his lies), he was asked for ID so they company could send a bill to his house, again he refused and became more abusive. He was then asked to leave the train. At this point he is breaking the law(can't recall the exact wording) and the mobile phone filming began by a passenger.

As I say, this was around ten minutes into the whole episode. Yes the BTP should have been called and they should have met the train at the next station. The reality is, they wouldn't have as they don't have the resources and the train was too far from a base, in turn the offender was off at the next station and would have been home scot free having given the conductor 25 minutes of bullshit not to forget the fare paying passengers. The big man maybe shouldn't have stepped in, but he did and I wish there was more like him on the trains given the shit we have to put up with at times. We've all let someone on the train without a ticket or whatever, most of them tell you the truth for a start. This cretin told lie after lie and continues to do so even now. him and his friends think it is a joke and are having a good laugh about it on facebook.

I had a fight on board my train last night, 15 minutes to the next station. The BTP didn't even answer the phone so I had to deal with it myself for the sake of the decent passngers I had on board. Nobody thanks us for that, but I shouldn't have to deal with that at work, like I shouldn't have to deal with a grown man who should know better than to jump on a train without a ticket and refuse to pay while shouting and swearing to ensure everyone can hear them. None of us(in any line of work) should be stabbed for going about their job either.

To put a spin on it - what if it turned out the bloke also had a knife on him like the lads in Essex - the big man would have been regarded as a hero. At the end of the day, the big man was another fare paying passenger who wanted home from his work and this little scumbag was stopping him and everyone else who paid from doing that. He picked him up and threw him off the train. Maybe he was wrong, but he hardly gave him a kicking. Much worse happens everyday. Maybe next time the little prat will think twice.

The scumbag should of gone head first. But that is just my opinion