" IS MALKY SPEAKING OUT? "

If I am reading what Malky has said correctly, I suggest the manager is 'telling' the board that any hopes they have of promotion can be kissed goodbye unless they give him sufficient backing.

I know of at least one player that Malky Mackay wanted to bring in during the summer transfer window and his request was rebuffed by the board and I know that Malky was not entirely happy.

That is not saying he has not been backed but it tells me that he has not been backed 100%.

I hope that our current board do not think that we are in a great position and think why should we folk out anymore.

For me the manager is saying it publicly for a reason, I think Malky should be talking about how he is looking forward to bringing players in and not saying that we would have to be 'unbelievably lucky' to get promoted if we don't strengthen





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If I am reading what Malky has said correctly, I suggest the manager is 'telling' the board that any hopes they have of promotion can be kissed goodbye unless they give him sufficient backing.

I know of at least one player that Malky Mackay wanted to bring in during the summer transfer window and his request was rebuffed by the board and I know that Malky was not entirely happy.

That is not saying he has not been backed but it tells me that he has not been backed 100%.

I hope that our current board do not think that we are in a great position and think why should we folk out anymore.

For me the manager is saying it publicly for a reason, I think Malky should be talking about how he is looking forward to bringing players in and not saying that we would have to be 'unbelievably lucky' to get promoted if we don't strengthen

Mind you what he is saying is far better than the shit jones said about back me and we'll go up.

I believe we can go up with our current squad as long as we suffer no injuries. Look at Swansea last season-they had very few bad injuries and key players like williams, sinclair, rangel, de vries and dyer were virtual ever presents. Same with blackpool the year before and burnley under owen coyle-i think that season burnley only used 18 or 19 players.

I do concede that Malky should be allowed to bring in a wide player with pace and a target man but if he is not backed we can still do it.

Backing?
We should call it what it is...gambling.

If I am reading what Malky has said correctly, I suggest the manager is 'telling' the board that any hopes they have of promotion can be kissed goodbye unless they give him sufficient backing.

I know of at least one player that Malky Mackay wanted to bring in during the summer transfer window and his request was rebuffed by the board and I know that Malky was not entirely happy.

That is not saying he has not been backed but it tells me that he has not been backed 100%.

I hope that our current board do not think that we are in a great position and think why should we folk out anymore.

For me the manager is saying it publicly for a reason, I think Malky should be talking about how he is looking forward to bringing players in and not saying that we would have to be 'unbelievably lucky' to get promoted if we don't strengthen

Sorry Carl disagree with you. MM I think is being honest and he is correct if we get unlucky with injuries it will affect our challenge, also I think it is a nudge towards the owners I need players to back up our current squad.

If I am reading what Malky has said correctly, I suggest the manager is 'telling' the board that any hopes they have of promotion can be kissed goodbye unless they give him sufficient backing.

I know of at least one player that Malky Mackay wanted to bring in during the summer transfer window and his request was rebuffed by the board and I know that Malky was not entirely happy.

That is not saying he has not been backed but it tells me that he has not been backed 100%.

I hope that our current board do not think that we are in a great position and think why should we folk out anymore.

For me the manager is saying it publicly for a reason, I think Malky should be talking about how he is looking forward to bringing players in and not saying that we would have to be 'unbelievably lucky' to get promoted if we don't strengthen

Sorry Carl disagree with you. MM I think is being honest and he is correct if we get unlucky with injuries it will affect our challenge, also I think it is a nudge towards the owners I need players to back up our current squad.

As you say at the end, it seems Malky is putting pressure on the board.

I'm happy with the way Malky put it.

I don't think he needs to make demands of the owners through the media - he has other places to discuss budgets and transfer targets.

He is right to say the squad is good but hasn't enough depth to cope with injuries or suspensions - and would need a lot of luck to avoid them. I doubt TG or Vincent Tan have a different opinion.

I expect Malky and the Board to try to bring in 2-3 more players during the window - and I am sure the list of targets has been in place for a while.

If I am reading what Malky has said correctly, I suggest the manager is 'telling' the board that any hopes they have of promotion can be kissed goodbye unless they give him sufficient backing.

I know of at least one player that Malky Mackay wanted to bring in during the summer transfer window and his request was rebuffed by the board and I know that Malky was not entirely happy.

That is not saying he has not been backed but it tells me that he has not been backed 100%.

I hope that our current board do not think that we are in a great position and think why should we folk out anymore.

For me the manager is saying it publicly for a reason, I think Malky should be talking about how he is looking forward to bringing players in and not saying that we would have to be 'unbelievably lucky' to get promoted if we don't strengthen

Carl i'm pretty confident this happens at 99% of football clubs. I expect almost every manager goes to their board regularly and says "I need another player", It's just the way of the football world. It doesn't for mean that they are not backed by their board.

If I am reading what Malky has said correctly, I suggest the manager is 'telling' the board that any hopes they have of promotion can be kissed goodbye unless they give him sufficient backing.

I know of at least one player that Malky Mackay wanted to bring in during the summer transfer window and his request was rebuffed by the board and I know that Malky was not entirely happy.

That is not saying he has not been backed but it tells me that he has not been backed 100%.

I hope that our current board do not think that we are in a great position and think why should we folk out anymore.

For me the manager is saying it publicly for a reason, I think Malky should be talking about how he is looking forward to bringing players in and not saying that we would have to be 'unbelievably lucky' to get promoted if we don't strengthen

Could be seen as dampening down expectation,as I think our progression is way ahead of even Malky's wildest dreams.We know what pressure expectation brings to a club only to well.

He has said a number of times the board are backing him and he knows his budget.
No point making this more than what it is.... I'm guessing this is why jones stopped talking to the press to stop things being twistered.

We all know what's needed and if the club (not tan) can afford it, brilliant.

it is clearly obvious to anybody with half a brain that we need 3 or 4 players come January to be able to sustain a creditable challenge for promotion and I Put this point forward some time ago in an Email communication with TG. The response I got was that the Board was well aware what they had to do in order to sustain a challenge come January. Well lets see. It will become quickly apparent in January if we are really going for it.

I'm happy with the way Malky put it.

I don't think he needs to make demands of the owners through the media - he has other places to discuss budgets and transfer targets.

He is right to say the squad is good but hasn't enough depth to cope with injuries or suspensions - and would need a lot of luck to avoid them. I doubt TG or Vincent Tan have a different opinion.

I expect Malky and the Board to try to bring in 2-3 more players during the window - and I am sure the list of targets has been in place for a while.

Agree with you Jon - And i think the first step was to put 5-6 players out on loan the last few weeks,saving on money,along with the Cup run which will bring in more money..So there is money here before VT puts in a little bit extra

Carlos, the other mb's fans leader, speaks out again,Your followers worship you on the other mb


I still think we need 3 or 4 players to stay in the top 6 or maybe even top 2, I really hope Malky is fully backed come January, there is no reason why Malky should not be. 3 defeats in 26 games, Malky has well and truly proved himself.

You have to give TG/VT credit for appointing Malky in the first place, when many of us doubted his appointment in the first place, including myself, we all wanted a big name. Well done Malky.

Media Wales

Cardiff City boss Malky Mackay
CARDIFF City boss Malky Mackay insists he wants to bring in new players when the transfer window opens at the end of this month, but he will not break the bank doing so.

The no-nonsense Bluebirds’ boss is adamant he will not potentially put the future of the club at stake just for short term gain.

Mackay said he had experienced what working at a club is like when teetering on the brink of financial meltdown during his time at Watford and, whatever his ambitions at Cardiff, he would not allow the same to happen in the Welsh capital.

The Bluebirds are no strangers to financial problems themselves with unpaid tax bills leading to transfer embargoes being imposed in recent seasons.

The club still has large historical debt, with loan notes to the tune of millions of pounds, taken out during the tenure of former owner Sam Hammam, still owed to the Langston group.

Mackay said he is determined not to add to the club’s financial burden with reckless spending and revealed he sought assurances from the Cardiff board before he taking the job that the club would move forward on a sound footing.

And he himself is prepared to play the waiting game admitting the squad he truly desires might not be assembled for another two or even three transfer windows.

“You have to ask yourself one question, do you want a football club here? If you do then that football club has to be run as a business,” said Mackay.

“You do not want to be at a football club that teeters on the brink of administration. I’ve been at one that was two hours from administration when I was at Watford and at is not a nice situation to be in.

“It is down to past discrepancies and wrong decisions in the past.

“So there has always got to be a balance. I know more than most how important that is.

“When I was at Watford the hierarchy opened the books to me every week. They showed me and that brought its own little problem in a way because I can’t go to them and ask them for somebody because I know what’s in the coffers and I know why they are saying no.





Malky has already spoken out but this interview was conveniently ignored by those who wish to consistently knock the malaysians and crave sams return

He has said a number of times the board are backing him and he knows his budget.
No point making this more than what it is.... I'm guessing this is why jones stopped talking to the press to stop things being twistered.

We all know what's needed and if the club (not tan) can afford it, brilliant.

Agreed.

Is Malky being backed? Of course he is!

The only bone of contention is that most of us want Tan to open his cheque book and
splash the cash a bit more. But thats natural. Malky has his budget, and i just
dont think Tan will let him overspend. However, the Man Utd players who we were
allegedly close to signing would have been big earners, so lets not start thinking Malky
aint got a pot to piss in, hes got money. We just want him to have more, course we do.
But not at the expense of fiscal common sense

We need to think back a bit here lads

We were complaining cos they never sacked Jones - then he got sacked
We were complaining that we were dragging our feet over a new manager - we got Malky
We were complaining that the pitch needed grow lights - we got grow lights
We were complaining that they weren't doing enough re: the debt - then they tied PMG up with shares
AND booted the 'PMG' puppet out the Club.

Everything they have done since coming here has been positive, this Club bears no resemblance to
the shattered mess of 18 months ago.

They just move at a slower pace than we'd like sometimes

Malky has already spoken out but this interview was conveniently ignored by those who wish to consistently knock the malaysians and crave sams return

That is absolute bull that I consistently knock the Malaysians. I have never downed the Malaysians i have only ever been thankful to them for paying off the taxman and consequently stopped this club from going under.

I have every right, the same as everyone else has, to question a statement that is made by a member of our club, whether that be the manager, chairman or the tea lady.

In my opinion Malky Mackay is speaking in the press about the need for new players, he is not saying I will be bringing in new players.

And finally how does my post equal a craving for the return of Sam Hammam?

Malky has already spoken out but this interview was conveniently ignored by those who wish to consistently knock the malaysians and crave sams return

That is absolute bull that I consistently knock the Malaysians. I have never downed the Malaysians i have only ever been thankful to them for paying off the taxman and consequently stopped this club from going under.

I have every right, the same as everyone else has, to question a statement that is made by a member of our club, whether that be the manager, chairman or the tea lady.

In my opinion Malky Mackay is speaking in the press about the need for new players, he is not saying I will be bringing in new players.

And finally how does my post equal a craving for the return of Sam Hammam?

Carlos,

You certainly know how to get everyone going, I love it, both City mb's talking about you.

You praise Malky and the Malaysians in the last few weeks and they still some how manage to twist your words.

He has said a number of times the board are backing him and he knows his budget.
No point making this more than what it is.... I'm guessing this is why jones stopped talking to the press to stop things being twistered.

We all know what's needed and if the club (not tan) can afford it, brilliant.

Agreed.

Is Malky being backed? Of course he is!

The only bone of contention is that most of us want Tan to open his cheque book and
splash the cash a bit more. But thats natural. Malky has his budget, and i just
dont think Tan will let him overspend. However, the Man Utd players who we were
allegedly close to signing would have been big earners, so lets not start thinking Malky
aint got a pot to piss in, hes got money. We just want him to have more, course we do.
But not at the expense of fiscal common sense

We need to think back a bit here lads

We were complaining cos they never sacked Jones - then he got sacked
We were complaining that we were dragging our feet over a new manager - we got Malky
We were complaining that the pitch needed grow lights - we got grow lights
We were complaining that they weren't doing enough re: the debt - then they tied PMG up with shares
AND booted the 'PMG' puppet out the Club.

Everything they have done since coming here has been positive, this Club bears no resemblance to
the shattered mess of 18 months ago.

They just move at a slower pace than we'd like sometimes

amazing how negative this board gets on time we are not even in the january window yet and people are speculating about the malaysians not backing malky despite the fact he has publicly stated he knows his budget for January.
Carl says malky was not happy because he missed out on one player during the summer window but what manager gets every player he wants and gets 100% of their projected targets ask fergie he wanted sneijder but was not sanctioned the ridiculous wage demands.
The malaysians backed malky in the loan window to bring in a quality premier league player but it was the player who rebuffed the move so what can the malaysians do about that.
as you say dave people just pick the bits of interviews that suit their purpose to be negative and ignore the valid points you make above about the progress the club is making.
We have to appreciate that as well as backing malky the malaysians are paying off the historical debts to the local businesses who were owed monies from the stadium build and fit out.
there are certain elements on this board who would be quite happy if malky did not get what he wanted in january so that they could relish in their "told you so" moment and continue their anti malaysian stance.

Steve, This mb has been backing Malky all the way and has done from day one and I have also reminded people that if it ever starts to go wrong for a while, then we still keep backing Malky.

Where's the negativity ?

Fans can ask for more players/fans can debate it and have opinions, yes or no ?

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Steve, This mb has been backing Malky all the way and has done from day one and I have also reminded people that if it ever starts to go wrong for a while, then we still keep backing Malky.

Where's the negativity ?

Fans can ask for more players/fans can debate it and have opinions, yes or no ?

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annis

the board is speculating about malky not being backed in january despite both Tg and malky both confirming there is a budget available.
of course people can debate opinions but none of us can see what is going to happen in january.
the board could back malky to sign 4 players but as we have just seen if the player himself does not want to come then we cant blame the malaysians and say they havent backed malky.
i would admit that you are not your usual negative self where malky is concerned and i just hope you havent reached that age where dementia is setting in and one saturday you drive to the liberty instead and try to enter their ground with your card

He has said a number of times the board are backing him and he knows his budget.
No point making this more than what it is.... I'm guessing this is why jones stopped talking to the press to stop things being twistered.

We all know what's needed and if the club (not tan) can afford it, brilliant.

Agreed.

Is Malky being backed? Of course he is!

The only bone of contention is that most of us want Tan to open his cheque book and
splash the cash a bit more. But thats natural. Malky has his budget, and i just
dont think Tan will let him overspend. However, the Man Utd players who we were
allegedly close to signing would have been big earners, so lets not start thinking Malky
aint got a pot to piss in, hes got money. We just want him to have more, course we do.
But not at the expense of fiscal common sense

We need to think back a bit here lads

We were complaining cos they never sacked Jones - then he got sacked
We were complaining that we were dragging our feet over a new manager - we got Malky
We were complaining that the pitch needed grow lights - we got grow lights
We were complaining that they weren't doing enough re: the debt - then they tied PMG up with shares
AND booted the 'PMG' puppet out the Club.

Everything they have done since coming here has been positive, this Club bears no resemblance to
the shattered mess of 18 months ago.

They just move at a slower pace than we'd like sometimes

amazing how negative this board gets on time we are not even in the january window yet and people are speculating about the malaysians not backing malky despite the fact he has publicly stated he knows his budget for January.
Carl says malky was not happy because he missed out on one player during the summer window but what manager gets every player he wants and gets 100% of their projected targets ask fergie he wanted sneijder but was not sanctioned the ridiculous wage demands.
The malaysians backed malky in the loan window to bring in a quality premier league player but it was the player who rebuffed the move so what can the malaysians do about that.
as you say dave people just pick the bits of interviews that suit their purpose to be negative and ignore the valid points you make above about the progress the club is making.
We have to appreciate that as well as backing malky the malaysians are paying off the historical debts to the local businesses who were owed monies from the stadium build and fit out.
there are certain elements on this board who would be quite happy if malky did not get what he wanted in january so that they could relish in their "told you so" moment and continue their anti malaysian stance.

Steve, I remained consistent that Malky would have brought a player in the loan window, that did not happen for a number of reasons and it was not just the Man Utd player you were referring, though that certainly was true, do I believe Malky has a budget, of course I do.

But I will say it again, in my opinion, Malky is pressuring the board for more money and if he and his recruitment team recognise a player that will strengthen the squad then I believe his judgement should be backed on the evidence of the players he has brought in so far.

Malky has already spoken out but this interview was conveniently ignored by those who wish to consistently knock the malaysians and crave sams return

That is absolute bull that I consistently knock the Malaysians. I have never downed the Malaysians i have only ever been thankful to them for paying off the taxman and consequently stopped this club from going under.

I have every right, the same as everyone else has, to question a statement that is made by a member of our club, whether that be the manager, chairman or the tea lady.

In my opinion Malky Mackay is speaking in the press about the need for new players, he is not saying I will be bringing in new players.

And finally how does my post equal a craving for the return of Sam Hammam?

Carl maybe i am wrong (i sincerely hope i am) but i and almost everyone i know (in the flesh) believe that sam hamman pulls the strings of a few prominent members of this board, i apologise if i'm wrong but as an outsider thats just the way it comes across.
When the malaysians took over and they were the best things since sliced bread, my mate said to me "it wont be long before people on this message board turn on them!"

i didnt believe it at the time but gradually i have seen a campaign building slowly that seems to be seeking to undermine our owners.
First of all you see posts like, did the malaysians really save us???
well considering we were on the brink of not administration but LIQUIDATION my answer would be 100% yes! (and remember we couldnt just start again like wimbledon did cos we would be out of the english pyramid so our biggest games would be neath away!!!!

Secondly, i am constantly reading midfield generals anti malaysian post from his inspiration daya!!

Thirdly, i see this constant suggestion that the board are not backing malky, but even if the malaysians did pump money in like leicesters owners there is no guarantee we would get promoted. And if we did miss out, then what??? Who is gonna subsidise the debt???

As malky said in the interview i posted above, what would you rather be run prudently or have no club?????

To me that is a massive question for those who want the malaysians to splash the cash but it seems to be a question that doesn't often get answered on here.


Like you and many others i would like to see an improvement in the atmosphere at the ground, but other than that i truly believe that as cardiff fans we have absolutely nothing to moan about at the moment.

I'm not sure how many times Malkay Mackay has to say he has been backed by the board before we actually believe him. I watched an interview the other day where he is fighting off the local media who have a hard on about us selling Whitts in January, Why?. Because that wankstain Jones says some PL club is sure to take a chance on him. Seriously who gives a toss what Jones thinks.

Malkay has been asked in every interview since the transfer window closed in August about transfers, loans to start and now with January approaching the questions just get so predicable it's boring. But thats mediawales, and Tucker in particular, always looking for something negative to print. Yesterday Tucker was more concerned about getting Whitts to call last season drunks unprofessional, Whitts answered him perfectly but Tucker went back and back looking for him to say something negative to print.

They also went on to Malkay again who gave them the bulk standard answer, his recruitment team are working on it and speaking to "parties" of players we are interested in. This doesn't mean a deal will get done but if Malkay says his team are working on it I believe him "End Of Discussion". If a deal cannot be done it doesn't mean the board are not backing him it just means the club is being run within strict budgets and surely we should all welcome that.

Malkay accepts that and in one interview he actually said he welcomes it, he hasalso said the board have given him everything he has asked for since the day he arrived. So this being rebuffed when he asked to sign a player in the summer is what I call Myth And Legend.

Last season we had a manager who was given everything he wanted and more and still we f**ked up. Surely this season we should just rejoice, yes rejoice, in our position and the way our team is playing and the total respect our manager and players have for us the fans.

Whatever the outcome this season MM and the team will give everything for us and whilst we would all like to see a couple of players added we should remember there are still a number of players, brought in by the previous manager, still being paid and until they are moved on for good it will limit how MM can move in the transfer market.

Leicester and Ipswich have thrown money at it this season and look where they are lets just concentrate on affecting what we as fans can affect.

Support the Manager and the Team Simples.

Malky has already spoken out but this interview was conveniently ignored by those who wish to consistently knock the malaysians and crave sams return

That is absolute bull that I consistently knock the Malaysians. I have never downed the Malaysians i have only ever been thankful to them for paying off the taxman and consequently stopped this club from going under.

I have every right, the same as everyone else has, to question a statement that is made by a member of our club, whether that be the manager, chairman or the tea lady.

In my opinion Malky Mackay is speaking in the press about the need for new players, he is not saying I will be bringing in new players.

And finally how does my post equal a craving for the return of Sam Hammam?

Carl maybe i am wrong (i sincerely hope i am) but i and almost everyone i know (in the flesh) believe that sam hamman pulls the strings of a few prominent members of this board, i apologise if i'm wrong but as an outsider thats just the way it comes across.
When the malaysians took over and they were the best things since sliced bread, my mate said to me "it wont be long before people on this message board turn on them!"

i didnt believe it at the time but gradually i have seen a campaign building slowly that seems to be seeking to undermine our owners.
First of all you see posts like, did the malaysians really save us???
well considering we were on the brink of not administration but LIQUIDATION my answer would be 100% yes! (and remember we couldnt just start again like wimbledon did cos we would be out of the english pyramid so our biggest games would be neath away!!!!

Secondly, i am constantly reading midfield generals anti malaysian post from his inspiration daya!!

Thirdly, i see this constant suggestion that the board are not backing malky, but even if the malaysians did pump money in like leicesters owners there is no guarantee we would get promoted. And if we did miss out, then what??? Who is gonna subsidise the debt???

As malky said in the interview i posted above, what would you rather be run prudently or have no club?????

To me that is a massive question for those who want the malaysians to splash the cash but it seems to be a question that doesn't often get answered on here.


Like you and many others i would like to see an improvement in the atmosphere at the ground, but other than that i truly believe that as cardiff fans we have absolutely nothing to moan about at the moment.

Firstly I will accept an apology as no-one pulls my strings. I say what I think and sometimes I will be wrong and if so I have admitted my mistakes.

Whether Gwyn Davies, Midfield General or anybody else has a view on everything from the colour of our grass to the running of the club then that is their right to have an opinion, I just don't like the fact that I get categorised in many different 'agendas' ie. Anti-Gethin, Anti-Malaysian, Anti-the club, when all those things are so far from the truth. I speak with TG regularly, I met with Gethin on many occasions including during his first week in the job and his last week there plus many times in between, I meet with officials from the club on a regular basis and the club are happy to meet me, I have never had a situation where anyone in the club from chairman to stadium manager to ticket office have fallen out with me but many people push an agenda that I am somehow against the good of our club.

I was warned some time ago that the more known or prominent you become the less of an opinion you will be allowed to have, that seems to be the case today, it appears that it is not so much the substance of a post or writing that is debated rather who it is that has said or written it and that is a damning indictment on those who carry on with their 'lies' to make others believe that I have an agenda to bring Sam back or get rid of the Malaysians etc.

Perhaps all those who kept their campaign claiming we were anti-Gethin want to look back and see if there was celebrating or rejoicing when Gethin was sacked, because they would certainly not find anything of the sort from myself. It just makes those accusers look foolish in my opinion.

I am tired of all the nonsense being peddled because I have an opinion on what I read or hear, I believe what my eyes tell me and not what people want me to believe.

Steve, This mb has been backing Malky all the way and has done from day one and I have also reminded people that if it ever starts to go wrong for a while, then we still keep backing Malky.

Where's the negativity ?

Fans can ask for more players/fans can debate it and have opinions, yes or no ?

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=65840&p=621283&hilit=caliburn#p621283

annis

the board is speculating about malky not being backed in january despite both Tg and malky both confirming there is a budget available.
of course people can debate opinions but none of us can see what is going to happen in january.
the board could back malky to sign 4 players but as we have just seen if the player himself does not want to come then we cant blame the malaysians and say they havent backed malky.
i would admit that you are not your usual negative self where malky is concerned and i just hope you havent reached that age where dementia is setting in and one saturday you drive to the liberty instead and try to enter their ground with your card

Thank you Steve, I promise you, I am still a full shilling.

Fair play what I like about this forum is we can all have different opinions/beliefs without resulting in name calling/sniping etc.

He has said a number of times the board are backing him and he knows his budget.
No point making this more than what it is.... I'm guessing this is why jones stopped talking to the press to stop things being twistered.

We all know what's needed and if the club (not tan) can afford it, brilliant.

Agreed.

Is Malky being backed? Of course he is!

The only bone of contention is that most of us want Tan to open his cheque book and
splash the cash a bit more. But thats natural. Malky has his budget, and i just
dont think Tan will let him overspend. However, the Man Utd players who we were
allegedly close to signing would have been big earners, so lets not start thinking Malky
aint got a pot to piss in, hes got money. We just want him to have more, course we do.
But not at the expense of fiscal common sense

We need to think back a bit here lads

We were complaining cos they never sacked Jones - then he got sacked
We were complaining that we were dragging our feet over a new manager - we got Malky
We were complaining that the pitch needed grow lights - we got grow lights
We were complaining that they weren't doing enough re: the debt - then they tied PMG up with shares
AND booted the 'PMG' puppet out the Club.

Everything they have done since coming here has been positive, this Club bears no resemblance to
the shattered mess of 18 months ago.

They just move at a slower pace than we'd like sometimes

amazing how negative this board gets on time we are not even in the january window yet and people are speculating about the malaysians not backing malky despite the fact he has publicly stated he knows his budget for January.
Carl says malky was not happy because he missed out on one player during the summer window but what manager gets every player he wants and gets 100% of their projected targets ask fergie he wanted sneijder but was not sanctioned the ridiculous wage demands.
The malaysians backed malky in the loan window to bring in a quality premier league player but it was the player who rebuffed the move so what can the malaysians do about that.
as you say dave people just pick the bits of interviews that suit their purpose to be negative and ignore the valid points you make above about the progress the club is making.
We have to appreciate that as well as backing malky the malaysians are paying off the historical debts to the local businesses who were owed monies from the stadium build and fit out.
there are certain elements on this board who would be quite happy if malky did not get what he wanted in january so that they could relish in their "told you so" moment and continue their anti malaysian stance.

Steve, I remained consistent that Malky would have brought a player in the loan window, that did not happen for a number of reasons and it was not just the Man Utd player you were referring, though that certainly was true, do I believe Malky has a budget, of course I do.

But I will say it again, in my opinion, Malky is pressuring the board for more money and if he and his recruitment team recognise a player that will strengthen the squad then I believe his judgement should be backed on the evidence of the players he has brought in so far.

carl
i never mentioned any reference to a man utd player but i do not believe malky is publicly putting pressure on the malaysians at all because he is not that way inclined and has also had his meetings where he knows the extent of his budget and how far the malaysians are prepared to extend that budget if the right players become available.
what i believe malky is saying is yes he does need to bring a few quality players in to bolster the squad especially as injuries and suspensions kick in but he will not do it at the expense of over extending the clubs finances it purely depends on which interview you want to pluck points out of.
Personally for me a play off place would be a bonus but if that does not happen then i think we should be quite happy for malky to bring in 5 or 6 players in the summer which would make this already talented squad stronger and give us a more realistic hope of getting promoted after all next year is the 3rd year in the projected 3 year plan to reach the premier league touted by the malaysians when they bought into the club.
Do you not agree people are beginning to take the malaysians for granted a bit now considering the mess we were in 18 months ago.
all the points dave raises above are being conveniently overlooked and i still believe there are elements here who would be more satisfied than dissapointed if malky does not get what he wants in the january window

Malky has already spoken out but this interview was conveniently ignored by those who wish to consistently knock the malaysians and crave sams return

That is absolute bull that I consistently knock the Malaysians. I have never downed the Malaysians i have only ever been thankful to them for paying off the taxman and consequently stopped this club from going under.

I have every right, the same as everyone else has, to question a statement that is made by a member of our club, whether that be the manager, chairman or the tea lady.

In my opinion Malky Mackay is speaking in the press about the need for new players, he is not saying I will be bringing in new players.

And finally how does my post equal a craving for the return of Sam Hammam?

Carl maybe i am wrong (i sincerely hope i am) but i and almost everyone i know (in the flesh) believe that sam hamman pulls the strings of a few prominent members of this board, i apologise if i'm wrong but as an outsider thats just the way it comes across.
When the malaysians took over and they were the best things since sliced bread, my mate said to me "it wont be long before people on this message board turn on them!"

i didnt believe it at the time but gradually i have seen a campaign building slowly that seems to be seeking to undermine our owners.
First of all you see posts like, did the malaysians really save us???
well considering we were on the brink of not administration but LIQUIDATION my answer would be 100% yes! (and remember we couldnt just start again like wimbledon did cos we would be out of the english pyramid so our biggest games would be neath away!!!!

Secondly, i am constantly reading midfield generals anti malaysian post from his inspiration daya!!

Thirdly, i see this constant suggestion that the board are not backing malky, but even if the malaysians did pump money in like leicesters owners there is no guarantee we would get promoted. And if we did miss out, then what??? Who is gonna subsidise the debt???

As malky said in the interview i posted above, what would you rather be run prudently or have no club?????

To me that is a massive question for those who want the malaysians to splash the cash but it seems to be a question that doesn't often get answered on here.


Like you and many others i would like to see an improvement in the atmosphere at the ground, but other than that i truly believe that as cardiff fans we have absolutely nothing to moan about at the moment.

Firstly I will accept an apology as no-one pulls my strings. I say what I think and sometimes I will be wrong and if so I have admitted my mistakes.

Whether Gwyn Davies, Midfield General or anybody else has a view on everything from the colour of our grass to the running of the club then that is their right to have an opinion, I just don't like the fact that I get categorised in many different 'agendas' ie. Anti-Gethin, Anti-Malaysian, Anti-the club, when all those things are so far from the truth. I speak with TG regularly, I met with Gethin on many occasions including during his first week in the job and his last week there plus many times in between, I meet with officials from the club on a regular basis and the club are happy to meet me, I have never had a situation where anyone in the club from chairman to stadium manager to ticket office have fallen out with me but many people push an agenda that I am somehow against the good of our club.

I was warned some time ago that the more known or prominent you become the less of an opinion you will be allowed to have, that seems to be the case today, it appears that it is not so much the substance of a post or writing that is debated rather who it is that has said or written it and that is a damning indictment on those who carry on with their 'lies' to make others believe that I have an agenda to bring Sam back or get rid of the Malaysians etc.

Perhaps all those who kept their campaign claiming we were anti-Gethin want to look back and see if there was celebrating or rejoicing when Gethin was sacked, because they would certainly not find anything of the sort from myself. It just makes those accusers look foolish in my opinion.

I am tired of all the nonsense being peddled because I have an opinion on what I read or hear, I believe what my eyes tell me and not what people want me to believe.

Carl, i will admit that you do seem a lot less negative than others on here, but i do at times wonder whether this is a good cop, bad cop kinda thing

i just don't understand why people always have to have a bad guy, so to speak! if people dont have someone to rant about on here they dont seem to be happy.

Carl, do you think the malaysians are doing a good job? and do you think it's a better option after years of squandering cash to run the club on a tighter budget with the aim of becoming self sufficient?

He has said a number of times the board are backing him and he knows his budget.
No point making this more than what it is.... I'm guessing this is why jones stopped talking to the press to stop things being twistered.

We all know what's needed and if the club (not tan) can afford it, brilliant.

Agreed.

Is Malky being backed? Of course he is!

The only bone of contention is that most of us want Tan to open his cheque book and
splash the cash a bit more. But thats natural. Malky has his budget, and i just
dont think Tan will let him overspend. However, the Man Utd players who we were
allegedly close to signing would have been big earners, so lets not start thinking Malky
aint got a pot to piss in, hes got money. We just want him to have more, course we do.
But not at the expense of fiscal common sense

We need to think back a bit here lads

We were complaining cos they never sacked Jones - then he got sacked
We were complaining that we were dragging our feet over a new manager - we got Malky
We were complaining that the pitch needed grow lights - we got grow lights
We were complaining that they weren't doing enough re: the debt - then they tied PMG up with shares
AND booted the 'PMG' puppet out the Club.

Everything they have done since coming here has been positive, this Club bears no resemblance to
the shattered mess of 18 months ago.

They just move at a slower pace than we'd like sometimes

amazing how negative this board gets on time we are not even in the january window yet and people are speculating about the malaysians not backing malky despite the fact he has publicly stated he knows his budget for January.
Carl says malky was not happy because he missed out on one player during the summer window but what manager gets every player he wants and gets 100% of their projected targets ask fergie he wanted sneijder but was not sanctioned the ridiculous wage demands.
The malaysians backed malky in the loan window to bring in a quality premier league player but it was the player who rebuffed the move so what can the malaysians do about that.
as you say dave people just pick the bits of interviews that suit their purpose to be negative and ignore the valid points you make above about the progress the club is making.
We have to appreciate that as well as backing malky the malaysians are paying off the historical debts to the local businesses who were owed monies from the stadium build and fit out.
there are certain elements on this board who would be quite happy if malky did not get what he wanted in january so that they could relish in their "told you so" moment and continue their anti malaysian stance.

Steve, I remained consistent that Malky would have brought a player in the loan window, that did not happen for a number of reasons and it was not just the Man Utd player you were referring, though that certainly was true, do I believe Malky has a budget, of course I do.

But I will say it again, in my opinion, Malky is pressuring the board for more money and if he and his recruitment team recognise a player that will strengthen the squad then I believe his judgement should be backed on the evidence of the players he has brought in so far.

carl
i never mentioned any reference to a man utd player but i do not believe malky is publicly putting pressure on the malaysians at all because he is not that way inclined and has also had his meetings where he knows the extent of his budget and how far the malaysians are prepared to extend that budget if the right players become available.
what i believe malky is saying is yes he does need to bring a few quality players in to bolster the squad especially as injuries and suspensions kick in but he will not do it at the expense of over extending the clubs finances it purely depends on which interview you want to pluck points out of.
Personally for me a play off place would be a bonus but if that does not happen then i think we should be quite happy for malky to bring in 5 or 6 players in the summer which would make this already talented squad stronger and give us a more realistic hope of getting promoted after all next year is the 3rd year in the projected 3 year plan to reach the premier league touted by the malaysians when they bought into the club.
Do you not agree people are beginning to take the malaysians for granted a bit now considering the mess we were in 18 months ago.
all the points dave raises above are being conveniently overlooked and i still believe there are elements here who would be more satisfied than dissapointed if malky does not get what he wants in the january window

Sorry about the Man Utd quote, I was thinking about a player and took what you said as the same thing, my bad.

By saying Malky knows the limits of his budget what have me question why was he so miffed when he wanted to make a £2million bid on a player in the summer believing he had funds available but he was rejected by the board.

I am not taking the Malaysians for granted but I am interested to see if more money is put into the pot by them over the course of the next few months as they have taken shares for their loans so far and that has accrued them 49% of the shares of the club, now we both know what will happen if they go over the 50% mark, so will it be club money that is used or are the Malaysians still subsidising the club on a month to month basis?

Yes I agree that a play off place would be a bonus as I have predicted a 10th place finish myself and I still see this season as a rebuilding season.

I would certainly not be satisfied if Malky didn't get his players in January and I must point out that I have never said that Malky is not/has not been backed but reading recent comments from Malky makes me think he is looking for a bit more, is he using the press to do that then I would suggest he is but it is perfectly ok for others to think differently, it is not ruining our club by any of us debating it on here, it would certainly not waiver any support anyone has for Malky as from where I sit we ware all 100% behind him and what he has achieved so far.

Malky has already spoken out but this interview was conveniently ignored by those who wish to consistently knock the malaysians and crave sams return

That is absolute bull that I consistently knock the Malaysians. I have never downed the Malaysians i have only ever been thankful to them for paying off the taxman and consequently stopped this club from going under.

I have every right, the same as everyone else has, to question a statement that is made by a member of our club, whether that be the manager, chairman or the tea lady.

In my opinion Malky Mackay is speaking in the press about the need for new players, he is not saying I will be bringing in new players.

And finally how does my post equal a craving for the return of Sam Hammam?

Carl maybe i am wrong (i sincerely hope i am) but i and almost everyone i know (in the flesh) believe that sam hamman pulls the strings of a few prominent members of this board, i apologise if i'm wrong but as an outsider thats just the way it comes across.
When the malaysians took over and they were the best things since sliced bread, my mate said to me "it wont be long before people on this message board turn on them!"

i didnt believe it at the time but gradually i have seen a campaign building slowly that seems to be seeking to undermine our owners.
First of all you see posts like, did the malaysians really save us???
well considering we were on the brink of not administration but LIQUIDATION my answer would be 100% yes! (and remember we couldnt just start again like wimbledon did cos we would be out of the english pyramid so our biggest games would be neath away!!!!

Secondly, i am constantly reading midfield generals anti malaysian post from his inspiration daya!!

Thirdly, i see this constant suggestion that the board are not backing malky, but even if the malaysians did pump money in like leicesters owners there is no guarantee we would get promoted. And if we did miss out, then what??? Who is gonna subsidise the debt???

As malky said in the interview i posted above, what would you rather be run prudently or have no club?????

To me that is a massive question for those who want the malaysians to splash the cash but it seems to be a question that doesn't often get answered on here.


Like you and many others i would like to see an improvement in the atmosphere at the ground, but other than that i truly believe that as cardiff fans we have absolutely nothing to moan about at the moment.

Firstly I will accept an apology as no-one pulls my strings. I say what I think and sometimes I will be wrong and if so I have admitted my mistakes.

Whether Gwyn Davies, Midfield General or anybody else has a view on everything from the colour of our grass to the running of the club then that is their right to have an opinion, I just don't like the fact that I get categorised in many different 'agendas' ie. Anti-Gethin, Anti-Malaysian, Anti-the club, when all those things are so far from the truth. I speak with TG regularly, I met with Gethin on many occasions including during his first week in the job and his last week there plus many times in between, I meet with officials from the club on a regular basis and the club are happy to meet me, I have never had a situation where anyone in the club from chairman to stadium manager to ticket office have fallen out with me but many people push an agenda that I am somehow against the good of our club.

I was warned some time ago that the more known or prominent you become the less of an opinion you will be allowed to have, that seems to be the case today, it appears that it is not so much the substance of a post or writing that is debated rather who it is that has said or written it and that is a damning indictment on those who carry on with their 'lies' to make others believe that I have an agenda to bring Sam back or get rid of the Malaysians etc.

Perhaps all those who kept their campaign claiming we were anti-Gethin want to look back and see if there was celebrating or rejoicing when Gethin was sacked, because they would certainly not find anything of the sort from myself. It just makes those accusers look foolish in my opinion.

I am tired of all the nonsense being peddled because I have an opinion on what I read or hear, I believe what my eyes tell me and not what people want me to believe.

Carl, i will admit that you do seem a lot less negative than others on here, but i do at times wonder whether this is a good cop, bad cop kinda thing

i just don't understand why people always have to have a bad guy, so to speak! if people dont have someone to rant about on here they dont seem to be happy.

Carl, do you think the malaysians are doing a good job? and do you think it's a better option after years of squandering cash to run the club on a tighter budget with the aim of becoming self sufficient?

Yes I believe they are doing a good job. Let no-one forget a football club is very different to running most other businesses but so far we are heading in the right direction, especially on the debt front, turning debt into shares is only a good thing for the club and that will set us on the correct financial standing if the trend continues of paying off existing creditors with shares or payment.

Simple facts are.

VT/TG have put more money into this club than anyone Ever has - £12m in shares. Forget loans etc.. because by their very nature they need to be paid back.

If they dont' put another penny in they have done well. However, the club loses £500k a month just to stay competitive - and I'm sure the majorit of that is coming form one source.

I REALLY hope that Malky can bring in 3-4 good players in Jan, but if he doesn't, although we will NOT go up without them i won't complain.

The club has to stand on its own 2 feel, we are lucky to have someone who will back us up and put the extra in to afford the likes of Turner (who is the 2nd best centre half I've seen in a blue shirt -after Gabbidon) and Miller, (who every single club in this division would love to have ) we've no God given right to be above Coventry, Derby and Forest.

Malky is a superb manager who I will back even if we lose the next 10, but the club HAS to be run as a business - we surely want it to be here long after Miller, Turner, Whittingham Marshall and Superkev have gone, in my case long after I've gone so my kids and hopefully my grandkids will have a focus for their pride in who they are and where they are from, because for many, many of us, its more than football.