" DID THE MALAYSIAN'S,RESCUE US, OR INVEST IN US ? "

Either way I'm glad they did, just wonder how people see it? Did they feel sympathy for us and want to help because they seen us as a worthy cause, or did they see and invest-able opportunity with potential to make a profit.

Hopefully as I see it, it will be the latter, to me it will prove we weren't in such a bad position as most of us thought, even though it was scary at the time.If they simply wanted to help and rescue us, then that would be more of a worry.

i can't imagine any self-made billionaire investing because he felt sorry for something, they tend to be ruthless and very acute business men.....they saw the potential for profit, i hope they get what they want as that would mean we are in the premier league.

Either way I'm glad they did, just wonder how people see it? Did they feel sympathy for us and want to help because they seen us as a worthy cause, or did they see and invest-able opportunity with potential to make a profit.

Hopefully as I see it, it will be the latter, to me it will prove we weren't in such a bad position as most of us thought, even though it was scary at the time.If they simply wanted to help and rescue us, then that would be more of a worry.

These are successful businessmen who know how to make money. So very much an investment I would say.

defo investment

I'm sure the malaysians saw potential for a business opportunity otherwise they wouldn't have touched us with a bargepole!

Steve davies was on here the other day saying if they didnt pledge 6 million we would have gone into liquidation. now this sounds a very grave situation to me.

If we werent in danger of going out of business then the march against risdale was a complete waste of time in my opinion, as the only reason why me and my mates joined the march was because we were convinced by people off this messageboard that risdale was about to take us to the wall. now if this wasnt true i'd be very disappointed!

I'm sure the malaysians saw potential for a business opportunity otherwise they wouldn't have touched us with a bargepole!

Steve davies was on here the other day saying if they didnt pledge 6 million we would have gone into liquidation. now this sounds a very grave situation to me.

If we werent in danger of going out of business then the march against risdale was a complete waste of time in my opinion, as the only reason why me and my mates joined the march was because we were convinced by people off this messageboard that risdale was about to take us to the wall. now if this wasnt true i'd be very disappointed!

Oh, make no mistake, we'd have gone to the wail without investment by the Malaysians, we couldn't have carried on with the PR mismanagement, what I wonder is what made us attractive to the Malaysians, possibly we were so badly run, they could see an instant improvement was there to be made, getting Malky on board was a stroke of luck/genius, who cares , but thank god.

They thought we were a virtual guaranteed winner.

So gambled/invested.

I think it's all to do with the Cardiff City academy they've got going over there.


They put a few million into funding an academy for some of Malaysia's poorest children and then when the government releases all those land stocks they have ready to sell VT gets them at a discount because he promises to use them for good to help develop young people's talents.

Then in a few years when attendances at these academies starts to drop he closes them one by one and uses the land for retail development.

Add in the fact that Cardiff are consistently one of the best teams in the championship and with a bit of investment we'll be in the Premiership, further publicising their academies, what do they have to lose?

I'm sure the malaysians saw potential for a business opportunity otherwise they wouldn't have touched us with a bargepole!

Steve davies was on here the other day saying if they didnt pledge 6 million we would have gone into liquidation. now this sounds a very grave situation to me.

If we werent in danger of going out of business then the march against risdale was a complete waste of time in my opinion, as the only reason why me and my mates joined the march was because we were convinced by people off this messageboard that risdale was about to take us to the wall. now if this wasnt true i'd be very disappointed!

They produced a document for the court guaranteeing the 6 million investment in the may which stopped us from being liquidated.
evrything after that has been investment in my opinion and they are still investing which is enough for me because if they had not produced the guarantee at the high court hearing we might be watching cardiff afc on as mr jones used to describe it dog shit park.

I'm sure the malaysians saw potential for a business opportunity otherwise they wouldn't have touched us with a bargepole!

Steve davies was on here the other day saying if they didnt pledge 6 million we would have gone into liquidation. now this sounds a very grave situation to me.

If we werent in danger of going out of business then the march against risdale was a complete waste of time in my opinion, as the only reason why me and my mates joined the march was because we were convinced by people off this messageboard that risdale was about to take us to the wall. now if this wasnt true i'd be very disappointed!

Oh, make no mistake, we'd have gone to the wail without investment by the Malaysians, we couldn't have carried on with the PR mismanagement, what I wonder is what made us attractive to the Malaysians, possibly we were so badly run, they could see an instant improvement was there to be made, getting Malky on board was a stroke of luck/genius, who cares , but thank god.

Gwyn there is no doubt i enjoyed football more years ago when it was just a day out with the lads but being a cardiff city fan has never been better than now.
i honestly never even dreamed that we'd be where we are now 20 years ago. We both remember playing luton, boro, qpr and coventry in the fa cup were absolutely massive games for us, now to think we have possibly outgrown these clubs is unbelievable.
I personally think this club is in the best position it has been for a very long time at board level, at management level, players, youth, scouting network and even support.
with us being a capital city we all knew there was potential there, rick wright, sam and to a lesser extent risdale all exposed this potential to a wider audience, now vincent tan and tg (however they stumbled across us) have the means and the ability to take this club to a whole new level and when i hear of cardiff city training camps at the malaysian grand prix and other things like this it fills me with confidence that our future is in safe hands, and if we can hold on to malky i firmly believe we will be an established premier league outfit within a few years.

I'm sure the malaysians saw potential for a business opportunity otherwise they wouldn't have touched us with a bargepole!

Steve davies was on here the other day saying if they didnt pledge 6 million we would have gone into liquidation. now this sounds a very grave situation to me.

If we werent in danger of going out of business then the march against risdale was a complete waste of time in my opinion, as the only reason why me and my mates joined the march was because we were convinced by people off this messageboard that risdale was about to take us to the wall. now if this wasnt true i'd be very disappointed!

They produced a document for the court guaranteeing the 6 million investment in the may which stopped us from being liquidated.
evrything after that has been investment in my opinion and they are still investing which is enough for me because if they had not produced the guarantee at the high court hearing we might be watching cardiff afc on as mr jones used to describe it dog shit park.

Cheers steve, i'm just glad that those worries seem to be a thing of the past mate

Either way I'm glad they did, just wonder how people see it? Did they feel sympathy for us and want to help because they seen us as a worthy cause, or did they see and invest-able opportunity with potential to make a profit.

Hopefully as I see it, it will be the latter, to me it will prove we weren't in such a bad position as most of us thought, even though it was scary at the time.If they simply wanted to help and rescue us, then that would be more of a worry.

i think they see us as a business opportunity to use us for their own reasons but the better cardiff city are the better it is for them and their other idea's. so they will want us to get to the premiership who knows they may sell us then.
anyway im glad they are here the only thing spoiling cardiff city at the moment is the layout for the singing section

Either way I'm glad they did, just wonder how people see it? Did they feel sympathy for us and want to help because they seen us as a worthy cause, or did they see and invest-able opportunity with potential to make a profit.

Hopefully as I see it, it will be the latter, to me it will prove we weren't in such a bad position as most of us thought, even though it was scary at the time.If they simply wanted to help and rescue us, then that would be more of a worry.

At the time of their ivestment, as far as I know, there was absolutelty no affinity to the club. So I have no doubt that they invested in us, seeing a lucrative return if they get us promotion.

Things may have chaged, having been with us for a while maybe they do see it as more than just an investment now. Either way I have nothing but grattitude for them, being strangers and pumping their hard earned cash into our club.

I think it's all to do with the Cardiff City academy they've got going over there.


They put a few million into funding an academy for some of Malaysia's poorest children and then when the government releases all those land stocks they have ready to sell VT gets them at a discount because he promises to use them for good to help develop young people's talents.

Then in a few years when attendances at these academies starts to drop he closes them one by one and uses the land for retail development.

Add in the fact that Cardiff are consistently one of the best teams in the championship and with a bit of investment we'll be in the Premiership, further publicising their academies, what do they have to lose?

Good post Aramore and unlike other replies to this thread, you seem to have grasped the situation.

Of course VT/TG have invested in Cardiff City but you don't invest unless you have a plan to make a return. IMO VT/TG have serveral ideas on how they will make money out of Cardiff City and what you have highlighted above is one of the most important and will probably net them hundreds of millions of pounds, if not more.

We will also be an excellent marketing tool to promote products (or agenda's) in the UK. ATM we are promoting Malaysia (an obvious suck up to the Prime Minister of Malaysia, who BTW also sits on the FELDA committee who decides who gets the land you mention above), but in the future I expect to see the stadium named after eCosway (or some other part of his business empire) and us playing an absolute prominant part in pushing his gambling arm once he gets his licence in 2013.

I think it was mentioned that VT/TG have invested upwards of £20m so far, but if all of the above comes off that will look like peanuts in comparasion to the potential return.

But for certain VT/TG's involvement in CCFC was never a gamble on the play-off final or an act of sporting Philanthropy, it was and is a cold hearted business oppotunity which we will have to learn to live with, no matter how fustrating it might become at times.

Either way I'm glad they did, just wonder how people see it? Did they feel sympathy for us and want to help because they seen us as a worthy cause, or did they see and invest-able opportunity with potential to make a profit.

Hopefully as I see it, it will be the latter, to me it will prove we weren't in such a bad position as most of us thought, even though it was scary at the time.If they simply wanted to help and rescue us, then that would be more of a worry.

At the time of their ivestment, as far as I know, there was absolutelty no affinity to the club. So I have no doubt that they invested in us, seeing a lucrative return if they get us promotion.

Things may have chaged, having been with us for a while maybe they do see it as more than just an investment now. Either way I have nothing but grattitude for them, being strangers and pumping their hard earned cash into our club.

'A lucrative return on promotion' is an absolute myth.

Yes Premiership clubs receive millions in TV/Sponsorship monies but that is nearly always swallowed up in player wages, agent and transfer fees. Alan Sugar once said that no matter how much money Premiership clubs get from Sky TV they will piss it all up against a wall that is player wages.

Hull, Reading and Burnley are all Championship sides who have had short flirtations with the Premier League recently and are now back where they started.

None of these clubs are bulging with cash despite receiving parachute payments and Portsmouth who were a Premiership side for several seasons are close to going bust and never even got to build a new stadium.

Whatever the reason was for VT/TG’s involvement in CCFC in 2010 it had nothing to do with Premiership money.

A few weeks ago I posted a topic like this, and certain posters (coughjinksrctcough) called me an "arselicker" with "an agenda", yet no such reply to Gwyn.

Some even accused me of being a fake account.

Nice to see double standards are alive on this forum.

I think it's all to do with the Cardiff City academy they've got going over there.


They put a few million into funding an academy for some of Malaysia's poorest children and then when the government releases all those land stocks they have ready to sell VT gets them at a discount because he promises to use them for good to help develop young people's talents.

Then in a few years when attendances at these academies starts to drop he closes them one by one and uses the land for retail development.

Add in the fact that Cardiff are consistently one of the best teams in the championship and with a bit of investment we'll be in the Premiership, further publicising their academies, what do they have to lose?

Good post Aramore and unlike other replies to this thread, you seem to have grasped the situation.

Of course VT/TG have invested in Cardiff City but you don't invest unless you have a plan to make a return. IMO VT/TG have serveral ideas on how they will make money out of Cardiff City and what you have highlighted above is one of the most important and will probably net them hundreds of millions of pounds, if not more.

We will also be an excellent marketing tool to promote products (or agenda's) in the UK. ATM we are promoting Malaysia (an obvious suck up to the Prime Minister of Malaysia, who BTW also sits on the FELDA committee who decides who gets the land you mention above), but in the future I expect to see the stadium named after eCosway (or some other part of his business empire) and us playing an absolute prominant part in pushing his gambling arm once he gets his licence in 2013.

I think it was mentioned that VT/TG have invested upwards of £20m so far, but if all of the above comes off that will look like peanuts in comparasion to the potential return.

But for certain VT/TG's involvement in CCFC was never a gamble on the play-off final or an act of sporting Philanthropy, it was and is a cold hearted business oppotunity which we will have to learn to live with, no matter how fustrating it might become at times.

tony

why put other posters down and make out they havent grasped the thread.
whatever reasons they may have invested in the club for is incidental to most posters as they are just glad we have a football team to watch every saturday and without the malaysian's intervention there was a strong possibility that right now we would be in that position.
I happen to agree with a lot of what you say and would add that pretty soon a lucrative gambling market will open up in malaysia from which they will benefit.
It is not a crime for them to try and make a lucrative business out of our club and if they make millions so be it as long as we have a debt free football club that we can go and watch every saturday thats fine by me.

tony

why put other posters down and make out they havent grasped the thread.
whatever reasons they may have invested in the club for is incidental to most posters as they are just glad we have a football team to watch every saturday and without the malaysian's intervention there was a strong possibility that right now we would be in that position.
I happen to agree with a lot of what you say and would add that pretty soon a lucrative gambling market will open up in malaysia from which they will benefit.
It is not a crime for them to try and make a lucrative business out of our club and if they make millions so be it as long as we have a debt free football club that we can go and watch every saturday thats fine by me.

Steve the reason I put that in is because I honestly believe that is the case and BTW it is an opinion not an insult or put down. Nearly 2 years on and we are still hearing the only reason they came here was to get a quick return on Premiership money.

Due to the time that has passed and the further investment they have made, that myth has to be nonsense. Yes if we had made the Premiership by beating Blackpool it would have been a brilliant bonus for them but it was not the primary reason for getting involved. If we can finally shake off that perception then posters/fans can look deeper at what is going on.

Like you I can see the fantastic opportunities there could be for us if the Far Eastern gambling market especially if we are at the forefront.

Also opening academies in Malaysia is not aimed at depriving the Valley's or Cardiff area of the same opportunities, but in fact it is a hard hearted business decision with a view to making a hell of a lot of money.

Eventually CCFC might have the cash to do the same here, but for now we should support VT/TG because their success is our success.

invested

a millionaire/billionaire wouldn't spend millions on a football club that they have no connection with just to save the day because they felt sorry for us.

We need to be real, they are hear to earn money from doing so and the time they think they cant earn any money out of the club they will walk away

That's life, they are clever businessmen not a ccfc fan for life

In no way did they do it out of the goodness of their hearts. Who does that? Very few people take over clubs with the thought they won't make money back.

In no way did they do it out of the goodness of their hearts. Who does that? Very few people take over clubs with the thought they won't make money back.

Absolutely correct and there is also countless examples of those who have had their fingers burnt after investing money in the hope of making money.

So if VT/TG do pull it off then they would have proved themselves very astute businessmen, something that Cardiff City is not usually associated with

They invested and in turn did rescue us

They invested and in turn did rescue us

Exactly, and if they hadn't then I'm sure there would have been others, thus showing me, that whilst things were in a mess and obviously needed changing, it couldn't have been that bad or nobody would have taken a punt on us, So, Sam, Ridsdale and everyone else involved during that period have played their part in getting us where we are.

So whilst some will slag Sam off, some will slag PR of, some will slag both off or go back either further and blame Kumar or Clemo etc. But at the end of the day each of them have played a part at a time and helped us to get here, it's a funny old game ain't it.

They invested and in turn did rescue us

Exactly, and if they hadn't then I'm sure there would have been others, thus showing me, that whilst things were in a mess and obviously needed changing, it couldn't have been that bad or nobody would have taken a punt on us, So, Sam, Ridsdale and everyone else involved during that period have played their part in getting us where we are.

So whilst some will slag Sam off, some will slag PR of, some will slag both off or go back either further and blame Kumar or Clemo etc. But at the end of the day each of them have played a part at a time and helped us to get here, it's a funny old game ain't it.

Gwyn, to say you're sure there would have been others is a massive assumption mate, as it was very very late in the day and there weren't exactly investers clammering for a piece of us!
Secondly giving sam and PR credit for the malaysians coming cos they put us millions in debt is like thanking hitler for the liberties we enjoy in britain post wwii

They invested and in turn did rescue us

Exactly, and if they hadn't then I'm sure there would have been others, thus showing me, that whilst things were in a mess and obviously needed changing, it couldn't have been that bad or nobody would have taken a punt on us, So, Sam, Ridsdale and everyone else involved during that period have played their part in getting us where we are.

So whilst some will slag Sam off, some will slag PR of, some will slag both off or go back either further and blame Kumar or Clemo etc. But at the end of the day each of them have played a part at a time and helped us to get here, it's a funny old game ain't it.

Gwyn, to say you're sure there would have been others is a massive assumption mate, as it was very very late in the day and there weren't exactly investers clammering for a piece of us!
Secondly giving sam and PR credit for the malaysians coming cos they put us millions in debt is like thanking hitler for the liberties we enjoy in britain post wwii

Think your missing the point, were we in that much of a mess? because as i see it if something is that messed up, you don't buy it! THERE MUST HAVE BEEN HUGE POTENTIAL THERE TO GET THE MALAYSIANS INTEREST, AND IF THEY SEEN SOMETHING WORTH INVESTING IN, THEN OTHERS WOULD HAVE AS WELL (JUST NOTICED CAPS, SCUSE ME)

suppose in certain business areas it is all about taking a punt but with knowledge and details to lessen the risk, wonder if they see their gamble as a good chance in paying out a profit, let's hope so.

And as for Sam putting us millions in debt, then a big part of those millions was spent getting us to that sale-able stage, that's undeniable, if that debt hadn't been built up and invested in the club, then we'd either be stuck at the bottom of the bottom division or bankrupt as was the situation at the time he came in for us, so he must have seen something along the lines of what the Malaysians have seen this time around.

They invested and in turn did rescue us

Exactly, and if they hadn't then I'm sure there would have been others, thus showing me, that whilst things were in a mess and obviously needed changing, it couldn't have been that bad or nobody would have taken a punt on us, So, Sam, Ridsdale and everyone else involved during that period have played their part in getting us where we are.

So whilst some will slag Sam off, some will slag PR of, some will slag both off or go back either further and blame Kumar or Clemo etc. But at the end of the day each of them have played a part at a time and helped us to get here, it's a funny old game ain't it.

Certainly everyone played a part.
IMO we would never have got a new stadium without Sam but I also believe we wouldn't have got it with Sam.
PR delivered it but messed up a lot in the process but everyone has done something to take us where we are.

I'm not so sure anyone else would have come in, there was no noise about anyone at all and it was the deadline.

Think your missing the point, were we in that much of a mess? because as i see it if something is that messed up, you don't buy it! THERE MUST HAVE BEEN HUGE POTENTIAL THERE TO GET THE MALAYSIANS INTEREST, AND IF THEY SEEN SOMETHING WORTH INVESTING IN, THEN OTHERS WOULD HAVE AS WELL (JUST NOTICED CAPS, SCUSE ME)

suppose in certain business areas it is all about taking a punt but with knowledge and details to lessen the risk, wonder if they see their gamble as a good chance in paying out a profit, let's hope so.

And as for Sam putting us millions in debt, then a big part of those millions was spent getting us to that sale-able stage, that's undeniable, if that debt hadn't been built up and invested in the club, then we'd either be stuck at the bottom of the bottom division or bankrupt as was the situation at the time he came in for us, so he must have seen something along the lines of what the Malaysians have seen this time around.

Gwyn you are absolutely correct in that if someone is willing to invest in an ailing business then they must have spotted a business opportunity. With Sam it was the property portfolio he was hoping to build up i.e. the New Stadium plus the retail park, hotel etc. built on land gifted by the local council.

Likewise VT/TG have spotted opportunities in their own country. TBH if VT/TG hadn't come in we would have gone into administration and probably been picked up for a song by someone else who would have started from scratch similar to what has happened at other clubs e.g. Crystal Palace.

I think it is safe to say that we were lucky that VT/TG were looking for a football club at the same time we were on the crest of one of our financial meltdown cycles.

But what is becoming evident (IMO) is that our academy probably saved our necks twice. Firstly with an impressive array of graduates we were able to sell them off and the profit made was enough to keep the club afloat and secondly such an impressive set-up was just what VT/TG were looking to invest in so that they could exploit land development in Malaysia.