How would you react (from Official MB)

It was almost a 20,000 to 1 chance but it happened to my son.
At the end of tonights brilliant win Aron Gunnarsson kicked the match ball into the crowd and my son caught it!
Imagine his double delight at the time.He was overjoyed and rightly so.
Then as we made our way out into the concourse he was confronted by 3 stewards one of whom grabbed his bag and emptied the contents onto the floor.
As a crowd gathered to see what the commotion was ,the ball was confiscated by the so called "Team Leader".
When I and several other bystanders asked what was going on this team leader said that he was preventing my son from stealing the ball.Everyone there was astounded and voiced their disgust towards the stewards.
But he walked away taking the ball with him and leaving me and my son very angry and distraught.
How the guy is not expecting a hospital breakfast in the morning is down to the fact that although the red mist descended I managed to keep control over my emotions.
I reported all the above to several high up people at the club and they all said there was no need for the team leader to act the way he did.
I have his name and will be writing to our chairman about the event.
How would any of you have felt and reacted if it had happened to you?

What shameful behaviour from a so called "team leader". Pathetic in every way

It was almost a 20,000 to 1 chance but it happened to my son.
At the end of tonights brilliant win Aron Gunnarsson kicked the match ball into the crowd and my son caught it!
Imagine his double delight at the time.He was overjoyed and rightly so.
Then as we made our way out into the concourse he was confronted by 3 stewards one of whom grabbed his bag and emptied the contents onto the floor.
As a crowd gathered to see what the commotion was ,the ball was confiscated by the so called "Team Leader".
When I and several other bystanders asked what was going on this team leader said that he was preventing my son from stealing the ball.Everyone there was astounded and voiced their disgust towards the stewards.
But he walked away taking the ball with him and leaving me and my son very angry and distraught.
How the guy is not expecting a hospital breakfast in the morning is down to the fact that although the red mist descended I managed to keep control over my emotions.
I reported all the above to several high up people at the club and they all said there was no need for the team leader to act the way he did.
I have his name and will be writing to our chairman about the event.
How would any of you have felt and reacted if it had happened to you?

What shameful behaviour from a so called "team leader". Pathetic in every way

i dont disagree with them trying to get the ball back by any means.

but the mannor and way they approached this is disgusting. there is already a huge divide between stewards and fans, but they really dont do themselves any favours with this.

Shocking!!!!!

Regardless of the bucket load of money the club will now make from the semis a gesture of letting your son have it would of been the icing on the cake of a successful result and an emotional night !!!!

I'd deffo call em and demand an explanation, if they want the money for it ask Gunnarsson

if its the guy who i think it is,hes a disgrace,i always see him bully our younger fans and he got a bollocking off me during the burnley cup tie after lining up a few young lads who were having a bit of harmless banter and speaking to them like criminals

fair play to the fella for not chinning him,it must have been hard to hold back

i dont disagree with them trying to get the ball back by any means.

Even thats a bit pathetic, its not as if the ball just went out of play and someone tried to take it home. Gunarsson kicked it into the crowd and (im guessing) did it for a fan to get? I would have done exactly the same and took it home (or tried)

PATHETIC he is just a child and it made him happy then why on earth would someone do that especialy after the win

i dont disagree with them trying to get the ball back by any means.

Even thats a bit pathetic, its not as if the ball just went out of play and someone tried to take it home. Gunarsson kicked it into the crowd and (im guessing) did it for a fan to get? I would have done exactly the same and took it home (or tried)

ok
pouring the kids bag out on the floor is well out of order and should never have happened
but and i dont know why our club protects our ball like their gold bricks
it makes me laugh sometimes
you can imagine how often balls go into the stands before the game during warm ups
during the game
and if a player boots the ball into the stand after the game
but the control room goes nuts
they dont care what else is going on in the ground the priority is to get that ball back
and all you get is the control room screaming in your ear get the ball back
yes i agree these balls are expensive
but in my opinion if a player 'loses' a ball it should be taken out of their wages
not punishing a small child
why the club is protective over their footballs is a mystery but they are

Stewards are just a jumped up bunch of c*nts who think they have the same power as the police.

All my mates smoke, I dont, so I went outside with them on Saturday, rather than wait inside on my own, and whilst outside thought id pop across to the Mcdonalds, only to be "aprehended" by some jobsworth stating as I walked towards Mcs, that I was not allowed over there. I told him to astop being a jobsworth and carried on, with him shouting I wouldnt be allowed back in the ground.

What the hell were they going to do? Give me a football banning order for eating a cheeseburger ?

Stewards are just a jumped up bunch of c*nts who think they have the same power as the police.

All my mates smoke, I dont, so I went outside with them on Saturday, rather than wait inside on my own, and whilst outside thought id pop across to the Mcdonalds, only to be "aprehended" by some jobsworth stating as I walked towards Mcs, that I was not allowed over there. I told him to astop being a jobsworth and carried on, with him shouting I wouldnt be allowed back in the ground.

What the hell were they going to do? Give me a football banning order for eating a cheeseburger ?

no but they can refuse entry into the ground after the fact
im not getting into this arguement again
you tell me another stadium anywhere in this country that lets you out at half time to run to the local mcdonalds
infact their arent many clubs that let you outside to smoke so be grateful for that
its the fact that the club has given an inch and fans trying to take a mile

Stewards are just a jumped up bunch of c*nts who think they have the same power as the police.

All my mates smoke, I dont, so I went outside with them on Saturday, rather than wait inside on my own, and whilst outside thought id pop across to the Mcdonalds, only to be "aprehended" by some jobsworth stating as I walked towards Mcs, that I was not allowed over there. I told him to astop being a jobsworth and carried on, with him shouting I wouldnt be allowed back in the ground.

What the hell were they going to do? Give me a football banning order for eating a cheeseburger ?

no but they can refuse entry into the ground after the fact
im not getting into this arguement again
you tell me another stadium anywhere in this country that lets you out at half time to run to the local mcdonalds
infact their arent many clubs that let you outside to smoke so be grateful for that
its the fact that the club has given an inch and fans trying to take a mile

Derby

Stewards are just a jumped up bunch of c*nts who think they have the same power as the police.

All my mates smoke, I dont, so I went outside with them on Saturday, rather than wait inside on my own, and whilst outside thought id pop across to the Mcdonalds, only to be "aprehended" by some jobsworth stating as I walked towards Mcs, that I was not allowed over there. I told him to astop being a jobsworth and carried on, with him shouting I wouldnt be allowed back in the ground.

What the hell were they going to do? Give me a football banning order for eating a cheeseburger ?

no but they can refuse entry into the ground after the fact
im not getting into this arguement again
you tell me another stadium anywhere in this country that lets you out at half time to run to the local mcdonalds
infact their arent many clubs that let you outside to smoke so be grateful for that
its the fact that the club has given an inch and fans trying to take a mile

Derby

to do what smoke or eat outside of the stadium
and why should the club allow you to eat anything other than their options they are not making any money
its a club decision
the club decided to impose it they want to make sure you are not spending money outside of the stadium
they could be a lot worse they dont have to let you out to smoke
and therefore have droves of ejections at half time from people smoking in the toilets
and that is against the law
its pointless blaming the stewards for this their paid to enforce the clubs rules
as is their right as a private business
you dont see many restaurants happy for you to bring your own food in
i dont see why they should be any different
though they are lenient they could stop you from bringing any food in it is an option but they dont

It was almost a 20,000 to 1 chance but it happened to my son.
At the end of tonights brilliant win Aron Gunnarsson kicked the match ball into the crowd and my son caught it!
Imagine his double delight at the time.He was overjoyed and rightly so.
Then as we made our way out into the concourse he was confronted by 3 stewards one of whom grabbed his bag and emptied the contents onto the floor.
As a crowd gathered to see what the commotion was ,the ball was confiscated by the so called "Team Leader".
When I and several other bystanders asked what was going on this team leader said that he was preventing my son from stealing the ball.Everyone there was astounded and voiced their disgust towards the stewards.
But he walked away taking the ball with him and leaving me and my son very angry and distraught.
How the guy is not expecting a hospital breakfast in the morning is down to the fact that although the red mist descended I managed to keep control over my emotions.
I reported all the above to several high up people at the club and they all said there was no need for the team leader to act the way he did.
I have his name and will be writing to our chairman about the event.
How would any of you have felt and reacted if it had happened to you?

What shameful behaviour from a so called "team leader". Pathetic in every way

DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME writing to the club. Just pick up the phone and make a formal complaint to the police. Simple as.

That steward had no rgiht to touch that lad or his personal property. They might have a slight argument over the ball but even then they have no right to touch him or dad for that matter. It's assault pure and simple. So just phone the police and insist they do their job.

Stewards are tossers mate,next time put your son to one side & smack the steward in the face .PRICKS

Absolutely f*cking disgusting. I'd have let the kid keep the ball tbh. I mean c'mon. Match was over, Cardiff would have no problems getting a new ball (even though I'm sure they have plenty) and I'm sure the club itself wouldn't have minded him keeping the ball. Stewards are a disgrace and this little rat-bag f*cking proves it. Should have gotten a kicking.

DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME writing to the club. Just pick up the phone and make a formal complaint to the police. Simple as.

That steward had no rgiht to touch that lad or his personal property. They might have a slight argument over the ball but even then they have no right to touch him or dad for that matter. It's assault pure and simple. So just phone the police and insist they do their job.

I have to agree with that. The little lad nor his Dad have to worry about stealing charges because they have the defence that Gunnasson kicked the ball into the crowd after the game had finish so therefore it was safe to assume he was making a gift of it (just like when players through shirts into the crowd)

However, there is no way a steward has the power of stop and search and by his actions in doing so is almost certainly a criminal (& civil) offence.

Take up with the Police.

DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME writing to the club. Just pick up the phone and make a formal complaint to the police. Simple as.

That steward had no rgiht to touch that lad or his personal property. They might have a slight argument over the ball but even then they have no right to touch him or dad for that matter. It's assault pure and simple. So just phone the police and insist they do their job.

I have to agree with that. The little lad nor his Dad have to worry about stealing charges because they have the defence that Gunnasson kicked the ball into the crowd after the game had finish so therefore it was safe to assume he was making a gift of it (just like when players through shirts into the crowd)

However, there is no way a steward has the power of stop and search and by his actions in doing so is almost certainly a criminal (& civil) offence.

Take up with the Police.

yes stewards can stop and search under random search policy
otherwise you wouldnt get searches at turnstiles before you enter the gates
the only restrictions are male stewards are not allowed to search female spectators and vice versa
plus no steward is allowed to body search anyone under the age of sixteen as they are minors (you should see stewards asking for your age if they are in doubt)
stewards are allowed to search bags of any sex and of minors (as long as a parent or a responsible adult is present)

DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME writing to the club. Just pick up the phone and make a formal complaint to the police. Simple as.

That steward had no rgiht to touch that lad or his personal property. They might have a slight argument over the ball but even then they have no right to touch him or dad for that matter. It's assault pure and simple. So just phone the police and insist they do their job.

I have to agree with that. The little lad nor his Dad have to worry about stealing charges because they have the defence that Gunnasson kicked the ball into the crowd after the game had finish so therefore it was safe to assume he was making a gift of it (just like when players through shirts into the crowd)

However, there is no way a steward has the power of stop and search and by his actions in doing so is almost certainly a criminal (& civil) offence.

Take up with the Police.

yes stewards can stop and search under random search policy
otherwise you wouldnt get searches at turnstiles before you enter the gates
the only restrictions are male stewards are not allowed to search female spectators and vice versa
plus no steward is allowed to body search anyone under the age of sixteen as they are minors (you should see stewards asking for your age if they are in doubt)
stewards are allowed to search bags of any sex and of minors (as long as a parent or a responsible adult is present)

I would imagine stewards have power to ask to look in a bag or ask to see what you are concealling under a shirt or coat and refuse entry or eject from the stadium anyone who doesn't co-operate.

However, I don't believe for one minute you have the power to sieze bags and throw the contents on the floor.

Stewards are just a jumped up bunch of c*nts who think they have the same power as the police.

All my mates smoke, I dont, so I went outside with them on Saturday, rather than wait inside on my own, and whilst outside thought id pop across to the Mcdonalds, only to be "aprehended" by some jobsworth stating as I walked towards Mcs, that I was not allowed over there. I told him to astop being a jobsworth and carried on, with him shouting I wouldnt be allowed back in the ground.

What the hell were they going to do? Give me a football banning order for eating a cheeseburger ?

no but they can refuse entry into the ground after the fact
im not getting into this arguement again
you tell me another stadium anywhere in this country that lets you out at half time to run to the local mcdonalds
infact their arent many clubs that let you outside to smoke so be grateful for that
its the fact that the club has given an inch and fans trying to take a mile

Derby

to do what smoke or eat outside of the stadium
and why should the club allow you to eat anything other than their options they are not making any money
its a club decision
the club decided to impose it they want to make sure you are not spending money outside of the stadium
they could be a lot worse they dont have to let you out to smoke
and therefore have droves of ejections at half time from people smoking in the toilets
and that is against the law
its pointless blaming the stewards for this their paid to enforce the clubs rules
as is their right as a private business
you dont see many restaurants happy for you to bring your own food in
i dont see why they should be any different
though they are lenient they could stop you from bringing any food in it is an option but they dont

I dont go to the CCS for their food options, which are f*cking dreadful by the way, so that comparison dont wash.

What difference does it make to the stewards wether I am outside for a fag, or outside for a burger?

DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME writing to the club. Just pick up the phone and make a formal complaint to the police. Simple as.

That steward had no rgiht to touch that lad or his personal property. They might have a slight argument over the ball but even then they have no right to touch him or dad for that matter. It's assault pure and simple. So just phone the police and insist they do their job.

I have to agree with that. The little lad nor his Dad have to worry about stealing charges because they have the defence that Gunnasson kicked the ball into the crowd after the game had finish so therefore it was safe to assume he was making a gift of it (just like when players through shirts into the crowd)

However, there is no way a steward has the power of stop and search and by his actions in doing so is almost certainly a criminal (& civil) offence.

Take up with the Police.

yes stewards can stop and search under random search policy
otherwise you wouldnt get searches at turnstiles before you enter the gates
the only restrictions are male stewards are not allowed to search female spectators and vice versa
plus no steward is allowed to body search anyone under the age of sixteen as they are minors (you should see stewards asking for your age if they are in doubt)
stewards are allowed to search bags of any sex and of minors (as long as a parent or a responsible adult is present)

I would imagine stewards have power to ask to look in a bag or ask to see what you are concealling under a shirt or coat and refuse entry or eject from the stadium anyone who doesn't co-operate.

However, I don't believe for one minute you have the power to sieze bags and throw the contents on the floor.

well as ive stated before i dont think pouring a kids bag on the floor of the stadium is right
and should be addressed at the club (funnily enough ill bring it up at my briefing on sunday, as i do with most things when fans complain on this message board)
but in your question to 'stop and search powers' we may use a different word 'random search' but the principle is the same

A decent person would not take a match ball from a child.

DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME writing to the club. Just pick up the phone and make a formal complaint to the police. Simple as.

That steward had no rgiht to touch that lad or his personal property. They might have a slight argument over the ball but even then they have no right to touch him or dad for that matter. It's assault pure and simple. So just phone the police and insist they do their job.

I have to agree with that. The little lad nor his Dad have to worry about stealing charges because they have the defence that Gunnasson kicked the ball into the crowd after the game had finish so therefore it was safe to assume he was making a gift of it (just like when players through shirts into the crowd)

However, there is no way a steward has the power of stop and search and by his actions in doing so is almost certainly a criminal (& civil) offence.

Take up with the Police.

yes stewards can stop and search under random search policy
otherwise you wouldnt get searches at turnstiles before you enter the gates
the only restrictions are male stewards are not allowed to search female spectators and vice versa
plus no steward is allowed to body search anyone under the age of sixteen as they are minors (you should see stewards asking for your age if they are in doubt)
stewards are allowed to search bags of any sex and of minors (as long as a parent or a responsible adult is present)

Sorry but I don't know what country you live in but in this one no one has an automatic right to touch you or your property, not even the police.
On the way in to the ground you can ask people to be searched as a condition of entry. In other words if you want to come in then you'll have to let us search you first. If you don't agree then you are not coming in. BUT That then does not extend to mean that you can asault kids and their parents. You could ask the kid very nicely if you could look in his bag. You could also get a police officer to organise a search based on that belief that you think the person is stealing somthing, and then step back whilst the police officer does his bit. The police then have rules and procedures to go through before, during and after the search.

Stewards are just a jumped up bunch of c*nts who think they have the same power as the police.

All my mates smoke, I dont, so I went outside with them on Saturday, rather than wait inside on my own, and whilst outside thought id pop across to the Mcdonalds, only to be "aprehended" by some jobsworth stating as I walked towards Mcs, that I was not allowed over there. I told him to astop being a jobsworth and carried on, with him shouting I wouldnt be allowed back in the ground.

What the hell were they going to do? Give me a football banning order for eating a cheeseburger ?

no but they can refuse entry into the ground after the fact
im not getting into this arguement again
you tell me another stadium anywhere in this country that lets you out at half time to run to the local mcdonalds
infact their arent many clubs that let you outside to smoke so be grateful for that
its the fact that the club has given an inch and fans trying to take a mile

Derby

to do what smoke or eat outside of the stadium
and why should the club allow you to eat anything other than their options they are not making any money
its a club decision
the club decided to impose it they want to make sure you are not spending money outside of the stadium
they could be a lot worse they dont have to let you out to smoke
and therefore have droves of ejections at half time from people smoking in the toilets
and that is against the law
its pointless blaming the stewards for this their paid to enforce the clubs rules
as is their right as a private business
you dont see many restaurants happy for you to bring your own food in
i dont see why they should be any different
though they are lenient they could stop you from bringing any food in it is an option but they dont

I dont go to the CCS for their food options, which are f*cking dreadful by the way, so that comparison dont wash.

What difference does it make to the stewards wether I am outside for a fag, or outside for a burger?

nothing i dont think many stewards do care
actually a lot of stewards complain about it because we believe its a waste of resources
but as far as keeping their jobs they probably care a great deal
this is a policy made by the club
its not something stewards on the ground just make up from game to game
so if you want to complain about it
there is no issue with that its a free country
but calling stewards jumped up bunch of cunts and jobsworths doesnt really help your cause
complain to the club
dont pin it on some one who is working as per their job description.
and fine you dont go to the ground for the food options
but there is nothing stopping you from bringing food in people have been doing that for years
but ask me one question
if the club did not let fans out for a fag at half time
how do you propose to get to mcdonalds at half time

shocking.... maybe as sung by the ninian last night the steward thought the following...



one ball, we've only got one ball!!

i think it was a major over reaction... during the game of course but after the final whistle if a player boots the ball up into the crowd in celebration so be it.. just like in the usa with a baseball etc...

if he had thrown his football boot up or shirt would the steward have done the same ???



i really think that some of our stewards could benefit from a revisit to customer service training and SOME of the stewards standards of dealing with situations is diabolical...

well as ive stated before i dont think pouring a kids bag on the floor of the stadium is right
and should be addressed at the club (funnily enough ill bring it up at my briefing on sunday, as i do with most things when fans complain on this message board)
but in your question to 'stop and search powers' we may use a different word 'random search' but the principle is the same

Whichever way you put it I can't believe that you have the power to stop and insist on searching people. You can ask and if the individual fails to co-operate you can refuse entry, but in no way do stewards have the automatic right to rifle through people's personal possessions at their own discretion.

I would also add the young lad was LEAVING the stadium. Surely your duties are confined to stopping fans from bringing into the stadium possible weapons/food/drink. Harassing fans on the way out by throwing the contents of their bag onto the floor can’t have any kind of justification.

Therefore acting in such a manner is a criminal offence end of.

DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME writing to the club. Just pick up the phone and make a formal complaint to the police. Simple as.

That steward had no rgiht to touch that lad or his personal property. They might have a slight argument over the ball but even then they have no right to touch him or dad for that matter. It's assault pure and simple. So just phone the police and insist they do their job.

I have to agree with that. The little lad nor his Dad have to worry about stealing charges because they have the defence that Gunnasson kicked the ball into the crowd after the game had finish so therefore it was safe to assume he was making a gift of it (just like when players through shirts into the crowd)

However, there is no way a steward has the power of stop and search and by his actions in doing so is almost certainly a criminal (& civil) offence.

Take up with the Police.

yes stewards can stop and search under random search policy
otherwise you wouldnt get searches at turnstiles before you enter the gates
the only restrictions are male stewards are not allowed to search female spectators and vice versa
plus no steward is allowed to body search anyone under the age of sixteen as they are minors (you should see stewards asking for your age if they are in doubt)
stewards are allowed to search bags of any sex and of minors (as long as a parent or a responsible adult is present)

Sorry but I don't know what country you live in but in this one no one has an automatic right to touch you or your property, not even the police.
On the way in to the ground you can ask people to be searched as a condition of entry. In other words if you want to come in then you'll have to let us search you first. If you don't agree then you are not coming in. BUT That then does not extend to mean that you can asault kids and their parents. You could ask the kid very nicely if you could look in his bag. You could also get a police officer to organise a search based on that belief that you think the person is stealing somthing, and then step back whilst the police officer does his bit. The police then have rules and procedures to go through before, during and after the search.

where have i said i agree with the way this search was carried out
i havent
it should have been dealt with so much better
we have policies about searching
and if this steward is found to have broken the policy he or she should be sacked
but if you agree with searching at turnstiles then searching whilst in the ground is acceptable as well
the same principles apply
you ask the fan can i search you, but you also inform them that if they dont agree they can be asked to leave the stadium
then its down to the fan to choose
if the fan agrees there are ways to search someone as per policy
and no for the record the steward should never have even touched the bag
for several reasons
1 for the stewards safety (you dont know whats in that bag)
2 because its not your property
and
3 its stops the opportunity of the fan accusing the steward of theft

well as ive stated before i dont think pouring a kids bag on the floor of the stadium is right
and should be addressed at the club (funnily enough ill bring it up at my briefing on sunday, as i do with most things when fans complain on this message board)
but in your question to 'stop and search powers' we may use a different word 'random search' but the principle is the same

Whichever way you put it I can't believe that you have the power to stop and insist on searching people. You can ask and if the individual fails to co-operate you can refuse entry, but in no way do stewards have the automatic right to rifle through people's personal possessions at their own discretion.

I would also add the young lad was LEAVING the stadium. Surely your duties are confined to stopping fans from bringing into the stadium possible weapons/food/drink. Harassing fans on the way out by throwing the contents of their bag onto the floor can’t have any kind of justification.

Therefore acting in such a manner is a criminal offence end of.

no to use a different example if you do manage to sneak stuff past the stewards such as a weapon (as youve brought them up) there would be nothing a steward could do
to throw another if a fan used said weapon in the stands and decided to 'LEAVE' the stadium there would be nothing the stewards could do either.
now whether you agree with why this kid was stopped the ball is not his property and the club has the right to take their property back
now i wont get into the morality of the decision because i do think it stinks
and i dont agree with the way the search was carried out
what you have to decide is what you dont agree with
do object to searching altogether
if you do ill disagree with you
if you disagree with the way this search was carried out
you have my full support

DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME writing to the club. Just pick up the phone and make a formal complaint to the police. Simple as.

That steward had no rgiht to touch that lad or his personal property. They might have a slight argument over the ball but even then they have no right to touch him or dad for that matter. It's assault pure and simple. So just phone the police and insist they do their job.

I have to agree with that. The little lad nor his Dad have to worry about stealing charges because they have the defence that Gunnasson kicked the ball into the crowd after the game had finish so therefore it was safe to assume he was making a gift of it (just like when players through shirts into the crowd)

However, there is no way a steward has the power of stop and search and by his actions in doing so is almost certainly a criminal (& civil) offence.

Take up with the Police.

yes stewards can stop and search under random search policy
otherwise you wouldnt get searches at turnstiles before you enter the gates
the only restrictions are male stewards are not allowed to search female spectators and vice versa
plus no steward is allowed to body search anyone under the age of sixteen as they are minors (you should see stewards asking for your age if they are in doubt)
stewards are allowed to search bags of any sex and of minors (as long as a parent or a responsible adult is present)

Sorry but I don't know what country you live in but in this one no one has an automatic right to touch you or your property, not even the police.
On the way in to the ground you can ask people to be searched as a condition of entry. In other words if you want to come in then you'll have to let us search you first. If you don't agree then you are not coming in. BUT That then does not extend to mean that you can asault kids and their parents. You could ask the kid very nicely if you could look in his bag. You could also get a police officer to organise a search based on that belief that you think the person is stealing somthing, and then step back whilst the police officer does his bit. The police then have rules and procedures to go through before, during and after the search.

where have i said i agree with the way this search was carried out
i havent
it should have been dealt with so much better
we have policies about searching
and if this steward is found to have broken the policy he or she should be sacked
but if you agree with searching at turnstiles then searching whilst in the ground is acceptable as well
the same principles apply
you ask the fan can i search you, but you also inform them that if they dont agree they can be asked to leave the stadium
then its down to the fan to choose
if the fan agrees there are ways to search someone as per policy
and no for the record the steward should never have even touched the bag
for several reasons
1 for the stewards safety (you dont know whats in that bag)
2 because its not your property
and
3 its stops the opportunity of the fan accusing the steward of theft

DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME writing to the club. Just pick up the phone and make a formal complaint to the police. Simple as.

That steward had no rgiht to touch that lad or his personal property. They might have a slight argument over the ball but even then they have no right to touch him or dad for that matter. It's assault pure and simple. So just phone the police and insist they do their job.

I have to agree with that. The little lad nor his Dad have to worry about stealing charges because they have the defence that Gunnasson kicked the ball into the crowd after the game had finish so therefore it was safe to assume he was making a gift of it (just like when players through shirts into the crowd)

However, there is no way a steward has the power of stop and search and by his actions in doing so is almost certainly a criminal (& civil) offence.

Take up with the Police.

yes stewards can stop and search under random search policy
otherwise you wouldnt get searches at turnstiles before you enter the gates
the only restrictions are male stewards are not allowed to search female spectators and vice versa
plus no steward is allowed to body search anyone under the age of sixteen as they are minors (you should see stewards asking for your age if they are in doubt)
stewards are allowed to search bags of any sex and of minors (as long as a parent or a responsible adult is present)

Sorry but I don't know what country you live in but in this one no one has an automatic right to touch you or your property, not even the police.
On the way in to the ground you can ask people to be searched as a condition of entry. In other words if you want to come in then you'll have to let us search you first. If you don't agree then you are not coming in. BUT That then does not extend to mean that you can asault kids and their parents. You could ask the kid very nicely if you could look in his bag. You could also get a police officer to organise a search based on that belief that you think the person is stealing somthing, and then step back whilst the police officer does his bit. The police then have rules and procedures to go through before, during and after the search.

where have i said i agree with the way this search was carried out
i havent
it should have been dealt with so much better
we have policies about searching
and if this steward is found to have broken the policy he or she should be sacked
but if you agree with searching at turnstiles then searching whilst in the ground is acceptable as well
the same principles apply
you ask the fan can i search you, but you also inform them that if they dont agree they can be asked to leave the stadium
then its down to the fan to choose
if the fan agrees there are ways to search someone as per policy
and no for the record the steward should never have even touched the bag
for several reasons
1 for the stewards safety (you dont know whats in that bag)
2 because its not your property
and
3 its stops the opportunity of the fan accusing the steward of theft

its the same in my workplace, they can ask you to empty the contents of your bag, but they themselves are not physically allowed to touch it...........^^^^^^^

DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME writing to the club. Just pick up the phone and make a formal complaint to the police. Simple as.

That steward had no rgiht to touch that lad or his personal property. They might have a slight argument over the ball but even then they have no right to touch him or dad for that matter. It's assault pure and simple. So just phone the police and insist they do their job.

I have to agree with that. The little lad nor his Dad have to worry about stealing charges because they have the defence that Gunnasson kicked the ball into the crowd after the game had finish so therefore it was safe to assume he was making a gift of it (just like when players through shirts into the crowd)

However, there is no way a steward has the power of stop and search and by his actions in doing so is almost certainly a criminal (& civil) offence.

Take up with the Police.

yes stewards can stop and search under random search policy
otherwise you wouldnt get searches at turnstiles before you enter the gates
the only restrictions are male stewards are not allowed to search female spectators and vice versa
plus no steward is allowed to body search anyone under the age of sixteen as they are minors (you should see stewards asking for your age if they are in doubt)
stewards are allowed to search bags of any sex and of minors (as long as a parent or a responsible adult is present)

Sorry but I don't know what country you live in but in this one no one has an automatic right to touch you or your property, not even the police.
On the way in to the ground you can ask people to be searched as a condition of entry. In other words if you want to come in then you'll have to let us search you first. If you don't agree then you are not coming in. BUT That then does not extend to mean that you can asault kids and their parents. You could ask the kid very nicely if you could look in his bag. You could also get a police officer to organise a search based on that belief that you think the person is stealing somthing, and then step back whilst the police officer does his bit. The police then have rules and procedures to go through before, during and after the search.

where have i said i agree with the way this search was carried out
i havent
it should have been dealt with so much better
we have policies about searching
and if this steward is found to have broken the policy he or she should be sacked
but if you agree with searching at turnstiles then searching whilst in the ground is acceptable as well
the same principles apply
you ask the fan can i search you, but you also inform them that if they dont agree they can be asked to leave the stadium
then its down to the fan to choose
if the fan agrees there are ways to search someone as per policy
and no for the record the steward should never have even touched the bag
for several reasons
1 for the stewards safety (you dont know whats in that bag)
2 because its not your property
and
3 its stops the opportunity of the fan accusing the steward of theft

really going to play that game are you ok
ill explain it further
a steward is allowed to search a bag
though for several reasons it is advised that you ask the fan to remove items from their bag
for several reasons ive explained before
1 for steward safety (you dont know what is in the bag)
2 because it is not your property
and 3 it stops the opportunity of the fan accusing the steward of theft