Steps to Solve Atmosphere Issues at CCS...

1. Swap the Canton Stand and the Family Stand around.

2. Put two large fences to segregate the home and away fans. The bubbled area which is left between the two fences can be where the stewards and police are.

3. Install the safe standing seating used by clubs in Europe in the new standing stand.

Three simple steps. Yes, policing costs might increase slightly and there will no doubt be the odd tw*t who does their best to prove the do gooders right about why the current system is in place but overall I feel the club and the stadium's atmosphere would benefit from these steps... provided league regulations are changed to allow for the safe standing seating.

At the end of the day mate the club doesn't care about the atmosphere, they are gettin more people through the gates now it's not a 'hostile' place...it's the fans that get the piss taken out of them every other week not the club, i can't see it changing, unfortuanately

I have a solution:

Everybody in the stadium sings, and not just the one or two scattered around the ground?

I can't see this working at all................

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I can't see this working at all................

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Can't see it working either. After all H is dead, here is his grave

I can't see this working at all................

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Can't see it working either. After all H is dead, here is his grave

PMSL

1. Swap the Canton Stand and the Family Stand around.

2. Put two large fences to segregate the home and away fans. The bubbled area which is left between the two fences can be where the stewards and police are.

3. Install the safe standing seating used by clubs in Europe in the new standing stand.

Three simple steps. Yes, policing costs might increase slightly and there will no doubt be the odd tw*t who does their best to prove the do gooders right about why the current system is in place but overall I feel the club and the stadium's atmosphere would benefit from these steps... provided league regulations are changed to allow for the safe standing seating.

All i have to say to this is.........
Anfield.

They dont have none of the bullshit said here and they create atmosphere with the Kop the opposite end of the away fans.

How about doing what Merlin says? SING!

1. Swap the Canton Stand and the Family Stand around.

2. Put two large fences to segregate the home and away fans. The bubbled area which is left between the two fences can be where the stewards and police are.

3. Install the safe standing seating used by clubs in Europe in the new standing stand.

Three simple steps. Yes, policing costs might increase slightly and there will no doubt be the odd tw*t who does their best to prove the do gooders right about why the current system is in place but overall I feel the club and the stadium's atmosphere would benefit from these steps... provided league regulations are changed to allow for the safe standing seating.

1. This would ride roughshot over the views of the 6k or so people who have bought tickets in the Family Stand , have all been surveyed by the club , and the overwhelming majority of whom (ask Julian Jenkins who oversaw the survey , I think it was only 2 people said they wanted to swap) were very happy with the ground configuration as it is.
Why should the views of a relatively small number of people outweigh the wishes of a far larger majority?
There was a petition made through this board (by an individual poster , not an official board petition) which raised only a few hundred "signatures" in total in favour of an end swap. And many of those "signatures" were duplications , ficticious(they claimed to include TG!) or were people who weren`t even City fans (drummed up through mates on facebook etc) , let alone fans using either end of the ground.

2.So go back to the "dark ages" again? And at a substantial financial cost to the club , running to many hundreds of thousands of £ (the club have the costings , details of savings in policing costs with the current system etc) as well as potential big reputational cost to the club (we still have enough idiots , as evidenced at several away games, to set us back years as their behaviour can`t be trusted).Under the current system there have been virtually no arrests at home games and away support has increased because visiting fans , including families , now feel safer in visiting us.

3.I actually am in favour of safe standing as an alternative to terracing (some people confuse the two totally different concepts). But it is a potential solution for clubs that are not already in all seater stadia , as the cost to retrofit is huge (the FSF`s initial research suggests an installation cost of over £100 per seat on top of the cost of removal of existing seating).In addition , there would be problems with exits from the relevant areas of the ground which have been designed on a seating basis for fire and other safety bases - so there would be even more expensive construction costs involved.
So safe standing is far more likely to be of benefit to smaller clubs getting promoted up to Championship level and above who would have to get rid of their existing terracing (if they are not already all seater) and are looking for a viable alternative.

A further problem is that the Government is very much against the idea of moving from all seater stadia and will take a hell of a lot of pursuading by the FSF and others to change their mind any time soon.

So your suggestions , as well meaning as they might be , are far from simple , cheap , or even fair to the vast majority of City fans involved.

1. Swap the Canton Stand and the Family Stand around.

2. Put two large fences to segregate the home and away fans. The bubbled area which is left between the two fences can be where the stewards and police are.

3. Install the safe standing seating used by clubs in Europe in the new standing stand.

Three simple steps. Yes, policing costs might increase slightly and there will no doubt be the odd tw*t who does their best to prove the do gooders right about why the current system is in place but overall I feel the club and the stadium's atmosphere would benefit from these steps... provided league regulations are changed to allow for the safe standing seating.

1. This would ride roughshot over the views of the 6k or so people who have bought tickets in the Family Stand , have all been surveyed by the club , and the overwhelming majority of whom (ask Julian Jenkins who oversaw the survey , I think it was only 2 people said they wanted to swap) were very happy with the ground configuration as it is.
Why should the views of a relatively small number of people outweigh the wishes of a far larger majority?
There was a petition made through this board (by an individual poster , not an official board petition) which raised only a few hundred "signatures" in total in favour of an end swap. And many of those "signatures" were duplications , ficticious(they claimed to include TG!) or were people who weren`t even City fans (drummed up through mates on facebook etc) , let alone fans using either end of the ground.

2.So go back to the "dark ages" again? And at a substantial financial cost to the club , running to many hundreds of thousands of £ (the club have the costings , details of savings in policing costs with the current system etc) as well as potential big reputational cost to the club (we still have enough idiots , as evidenced at several away games, to set us back years as their behaviour can`t be trusted).Under the current system there have been virtually no arrests at home games and away support has increased because visiting fans , including families , now feel safer in visiting us.

3.I actually am in favour of safe standing as an alternative to terracing (some people confuse the two totally different concepts). But it is a potential solution for clubs that are not already in all seater stadia , as the cost to retrofit is huge (the FSF`s initial research suggests an installation cost of over £100 per seat on top of the cost of removal of existing seating).In addition , there would be problems with exits from the relevant areas of the ground which have been designed on a seating basis for fire and other safety bases - so there would be even more expensive construction costs involved.
So safe standing is far more likely to be of benefit to smaller clubs getting promoted up to Championship level and above who would have to get rid of their existing terracing (if they are not already all seater) and are looking for a viable alternative.

A further problem is that the Government is very much against the idea of moving from all seater stadia and will take a hell of a lot of pursuading by the FSF and others to change their mind any time soon.

So your suggestions , as well meaning as they might be , are far from simple , cheap , or even fair to the vast majority of City fans involved.

Cool story, bro.

At the end of the day mate the club doesn't care about the atmosphere, they are gettin more people through the gates now it's not a 'hostile' place...it's the fans that get the piss taken out of them every other week not the club, i can't see it changing, unfortuanately

Sadly I agree with you there. Family club of the year, even when you think they tried to stop old grange and block a season ticket holders buying seats in 118,117, The club dont want the noise. Their happy with our new image,

1. Swap the Canton Stand and the Family Stand around.

2. Put two large fences to segregate the home and away fans. The bubbled area which is left between the two fences can be where the stewards and police are.

3. Install the safe standing seating used by clubs in Europe in the new standing stand.

Three simple steps. Yes, policing costs might increase slightly and there will no doubt be the odd tw*t who does their best to prove the do gooders right about why the current system is in place but overall I feel the club and the stadium's atmosphere would benefit from these steps... provided league regulations are changed to allow for the safe standing seating.

1. This would ride roughshot over the views of the 6k or so people who have bought tickets in the Family Stand , have all been surveyed by the club , and the overwhelming majority of whom (ask Julian Jenkins who oversaw the survey , I think it was only 2 people said they wanted to swap) were very happy with the ground configuration as it is.
Why should the views of a relatively small number of people outweigh the wishes of a far larger majority?
There was a petition made through this board (by an individual poster , not an official board petition) which raised only a few hundred "signatures" in total in favour of an end swap. And many of those "signatures" were duplications , ficticious(they claimed to include TG!) or were people who weren`t even City fans (drummed up through mates on facebook etc) , let alone fans using either end of the ground.

2.So go back to the "dark ages" again? And at a substantial financial cost to the club , running to many hundreds of thousands of £ (the club have the costings , details of savings in policing costs with the current system etc) as well as potential big reputational cost to the club (we still have enough idiots , as evidenced at several away games, to set us back years as their behaviour can`t be trusted).Under the current system there have been virtually no arrests at home games and away support has increased because visiting fans , including families , now feel safer in visiting us.

3.I actually am in favour of safe standing as an alternative to terracing (some people confuse the two totally different concepts). But it is a potential solution for clubs that are not already in all seater stadia , as the cost to retrofit is huge (the FSF`s initial research suggests an installation cost of over £100 per seat on top of the cost of removal of existing seating).In addition , there would be problems with exits from the relevant areas of the ground which have been designed on a seating basis for fire and other safety bases - so there would be even more expensive construction costs involved.
So safe standing is far more likely to be of benefit to smaller clubs getting promoted up to Championship level and above who would have to get rid of their existing terracing (if they are not already all seater) and are looking for a viable alternative.

A further problem is that the Government is very much against the idea of moving from all seater stadia and will take a hell of a lot of pursuading by the FSF and others to change their mind any time soon.

So your suggestions , as well meaning as they might be , are far from simple , cheap , or even fair to the vast majority of City fans involved.

Cheers for clearing that up Keith!

It would help if we could score 5 goals every home game and not let any in Personally I think that idea is well worth a try

It would help if we could score 5 goals every home game and not let any in Personally I think that idea is well worth a try

That's ridiculous man! Snap out of it!

Unban our banned fans...

it may not sound alot...
but 50 people singing make a noise

Unban our banned fans...

it may not sound alot...
but 50 people singing make a noise

theyre banned for a reason obviously...

I domt think it's a case of fans not singing, but I do believe the Is a big problem with the acoustics in the stadium, all the sound is being lost over the wall at the back of the seating, and if it were to be covered up with frosted perspex (would also look cosmetically nicer) but would also hold the sound in under the roof! I have witnessed away teams score from the canton and seeing the away fans celebrate but barely being able to hear them. I think there is a simple solution to get the noise levels up!

I thought the plan to solve the atmosphere problem was for the singers to move from the Ninian Stand to the Canton Stand?? At least that's what was being planned on here about 6 months ago.

It's not the stadium its us the fans. The players definately responded when we got a bit of chanting going in the second half on Saturday after a dire first half.
I'm working with a guy from stoke. I asked him about the move from Victoria road to the britannia and how they kept the atmosphere and passion from the fans, he said there was no plan or system in place, the fans just stand and sing.

I thought the plan to solve the atmosphere problem was for the singers to move from the Ninian Stand to the Canton Stand?? At least that's what was being planned on here about 6 months ago.

a few come over but gthe rest decided to stay in the library

I domt think it's a case of fans not singing, but I do believe the Is a big problem with the acoustics in the stadium, all the sound is being lost over the wall at the back of the seating, and if it were to be covered up with frosted perspex (would also look cosmetically nicer) but would also hold the sound in under the roof! I have witnessed away teams score from the canton and seeing the away fans celebrate but barely being able to hear them. I think there is a simple solution to get the noise levels up!

Lamboy, I have to agree with you there actually. There was one game earlier this season when the Canton Stand was bouncing and the lads in the Ninian Stand came on here saying they could not hear us all game. I thought "are you serious?" but like you said, when the away fans score, I can barely hear them but we can see them celebrating and jumping around so they are obviously making the noise.

if we could get both stands to sing at the same time that would be better... im in the ninian on the end of 116 and people look at me stupid when i stand up and sing etc...

i may as well sing on my own , on my own , on my own...

if we could get the canton and the ninian singing together , just like the leicester play off game then surely that will create the atmosphere...

im thinking getting flyers handed out to fans in the ninian to encourage them to sing... because from where i sit, its to the left of me in 117 and 118 that sings and then nothing to the right of me until the canton...

also i think ali could play the longer version of the hey jude song... that seems to get most people singing rather than just a small exert that we currently have...

I can't see this working at all................

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When i read the heading thats the first thing i thought of too Merlin ive got to agree with you its us fans thats the problem

My solution would be:

1. Everybody next to the away fans stand up (about 1,000 of our supporters or more).
2. If you get then get banned for a couple of games, then lets get all the fans together to demonstrate outside the main entrance before every home game including fans from the Canton and Ninian Stand. Im sure with fans turning on the club, something would have to be done.

It wouldnt look good on the club and the club would not want the media attention.

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When i read the heading thats the first thing i thought of too Merlin ive got to agree with you its us fans thats the problem

agree again, its down to the fans and nothing else

Simple solution is to allow standing in blocks 116 and 117 of the Ninian Stand it has already been established that it is not against the law to stand in the stadium but it is against the ground regulations. The Club has already proven it is prepared to be flexible on the Ground regulations by allowing standing in the Canton

If any fans in 116 and 117 currently want to remain seated then move them to the front of the section and put all those who wish to stand at the back of each block. If you could get 500 plus like minded fans all singing together in one section it would make a hell of a difference and then i am sure other parts of the ground would join in

Very noticeable on Saturday that when the fans in 116 and 117 stood up around the 55th minute and started chanting the atmosphere improved considerably and although you can sing whilst seated the atmosphere and noise seems so much better when everyone is up standing singing at the top of their voice

We could also try a drummer starting up the chants and songs

Simple solution is to allow standing in blocks 116 and 117 of the Ninian Stand it has already been established that it is not against the law to stand in the stadium but it is against the ground regulations. The Club has already proven it is prepared to be flexible on the Ground regulations by allowing standing in the Canton

If any fans in 116 and 117 currently want to remain seated then move them to the front of the section and put all those who wish to stand at the back of each block. If you could get 500 plus like minded fans all singing together in one section it would make a hell of a difference and then i am sure other parts of the ground would join in

Very noticeable on Saturday that when the fans in 116 and 117 stood up around the 55th minute and started chanting the atmosphere improved considerably and although you can sing whilst seated the atmosphere and noise seems so much better when everyone is up standing singing at the top of their voice

We could also try a drummer starting up the chants and songs

what if the people who like to sit down dont want to move?

its silly that people think standing will rescue the atmosphere....its the same fans. i agree putting louder fans in one place may be better but the standing side wont make much difference. if people wnat to sing they sing, sat down, stood up or doing f*cking cartwheels !!.

if they dont want to sing like th emajority of the crowd these days, they wont

Simple solution is to allow standing in blocks 116 and 117 of the Ninian Stand it has already been established that it is not against the law to stand in the stadium but it is against the ground regulations. The Club has already proven it is prepared to be flexible on the Ground regulations by allowing standing in the Canton

If any fans in 116 and 117 currently want to remain seated then move them to the front of the section and put all those who wish to stand at the back of each block. If you could get 500 plus like minded fans all singing together in one section it would make a hell of a difference and then i am sure other parts of the ground would join in

Very noticeable on Saturday that when the fans in 116 and 117 stood up around the 55th minute and started chanting the atmosphere improved considerably and although you can sing whilst seated the atmosphere and noise seems so much better when everyone is up standing singing at the top of their voice

We could also try a drummer starting up the chants and songs

what if the people who like to sit down dont want to move?

its silly that people think standing will rescue the atmosphere....its the same fans. i agree putting louder fans in one place may be better but the standing side wont make much difference. if people wnat to sing they sing, sat down, stood up or doing f*cking cartwheels !!.

if they dont want to sing like th emajority of the crowd these days, they wont

Agreed but i think you missed my point we need to get all those who want to sing in one area the back of blocks 116 and 117 of the Ninian would be ideal with regards the people who don't want to move there would need to be negotiation and it wouldn't be easy but something needs to be done

I domt think it's a case of fans not singing, but I do believe the Is a big problem with the acoustics in the stadium, all the sound is being lost over the wall at the back of the seating, and if it were to be covered up with frosted perspex (would also look cosmetically nicer) but would also hold the sound in under the roof! I have witnessed away teams score from the canton and seeing the away fans celebrate but barely being able to hear them. I think there is a simple solution to get the noise levels up!

Lamboy, I have to agree with you there actually. There was one game earlier this season when the Canton Stand was bouncing and the lads in the Ninian Stand came on here saying they could not hear us all game. I thought "are you serious?" but like you said, when the away fans score, I can barely hear them but we can see them celebrating and jumping around so they are obviously making the noise.

Yeah Ive heard ppl from the ninian say the same about the canton, and from first hand knowledge there can be a great atmosphere. And there is still this hot debate about who is louder. Like I said there are some serious acoustic problems and there is no sound reverberation whatsoever.

Dont get me wrong a new stadium is what we needed to move on as a club, but certain aspects needed to be kept and taken into consideration from ninian, i.e sound quality and atmosphere. and Im afraid the CCs s lacking in certain areas at the moment. I just think the way the seating is set and how the stadium was built was all down to the riddler and to set a family atmosphere. we have lost that intimidation factor to away fans and that is a real shame. Ridsdale with his cutting corners on the design and cost!!!!!

1. Swap the Canton Stand and the Family Stand around.

2. Put two large fences to segregate the home and away fans. The bubbled area which is left between the two fences can be where the stewards and police are.

3. Install the safe standing seating used by clubs in Europe in the new standing stand.

Three simple steps. Yes, policing costs might increase slightly and there will no doubt be the odd tw*t who does their best to prove the do gooders right about why the current system is in place but overall I feel the club and the stadium's atmosphere would benefit from these steps... provided league regulations are changed to allow for the safe standing seating.

1. This would ride roughshot over the views of the 6k or so people who have bought tickets in the Family Stand , have all been surveyed by the club , and the overwhelming majority of whom (ask Julian Jenkins who oversaw the survey , I think it was only 2 people said they wanted to swap) were very happy with the ground configuration as it is.
Why should the views of a relatively small number of people outweigh the wishes of a far larger majority?
There was a petition made through this board (by an individual poster , not an official board petition) which raised only a few hundred "signatures" in total in favour of an end swap. And many of those "signatures" were duplications , ficticious(they claimed to include TG!) or were people who weren`t even City fans (drummed up through mates on facebook etc) , let alone fans using either end of the ground.

2.So go back to the "dark ages" again? And at a substantial financial cost to the club , running to many hundreds of thousands of £ (the club have the costings , details of savings in policing costs with the current system etc) as well as potential big reputational cost to the club (we still have enough idiots , as evidenced at several away games, to set us back years as their behaviour can`t be trusted).Under the current system there have been virtually no arrests at home games and away support has increased because visiting fans , including families , now feel safer in visiting us.

3.I actually am in favour of safe standing as an alternative to terracing (some people confuse the two totally different concepts). But it is a potential solution for clubs that are not already in all seater stadia , as the cost to retrofit is huge (the FSF`s initial research suggests an installation cost of over £100 per seat on top of the cost of removal of existing seating).In addition , there would be problems with exits from the relevant areas of the ground which have been designed on a seating basis for fire and other safety bases - so there would be even more expensive construction costs involved.
So safe standing is far more likely to be of benefit to smaller clubs getting promoted up to Championship level and above who would have to get rid of their existing terracing (if they are not already all seater) and are looking for a viable alternative.

A further problem is that the Government is very much against the idea of moving from all seater stadia and will take a hell of a lot of pursuading by the FSF and others to change their mind any time soon.

So your suggestions , as well meaning as they might be , are far from simple , cheap , or even fair to the vast majority of City fans involved.

Keith I just wish to highlight your first point regarding the survey you mentioned carried out in the family stand. Out of the whole of the family stand that were surveyed just 204 fans responded not the whole of the stand's season ticket holders. (Ask Julian Jenkins).

Overall the club has carried out 4 surveys and in total have had responses from 4,000 approx.

The vast majority had concerns about issues such as parking, exiting the stadium and prices of beer and food at the outlets in CCS.

Each stand has been surveyed and the Canton stand was the one which had the most requests to swap ends.

I hope this helps you, I said before your getting confused but we will put that down to age

I too am in favour of safe standing but believe it is unlikely to happen at CCS, I am also in favour of swapping the two ends to help with the atmosphere but also recognise that if this move ever materialised then it would not be the total solution but believe it would help.

For those who point out Anfield don't have such problems, I was only speaking to 3 jacks this week who said they were disappointed with the atmosphere at Liverpool.