why wont the club swap grange/canton?

whose has the decision to prevent it? i know this has been mentioned before but we really need to swap ends from next season as the atmosphere at the ccs is probably one of the worst in all divisions

because, they believed by putting the family stand next to the away end, would mean less voilence between the home and away fans. and it has worked.

although the atmosphere has sufferd imo

It's a well know fact that a loud crowd keeps the match tempo up and gives home players that extra bit of energy when it's most needed. Watching the match in Liverpool the other day and having scousers saying that it's honestly like a training ground atmosphere 90% of the game was embarrassing. What a rapid decline from Ninian, your never gonna get a Ninian atmosphere but f**k me...this is silly. Change stands, it's the fans stadium..we want it changed!!!


This is probably the only reason I'd have Sam back, he'd get it change within 24hrs of being at the club.

also the fans are to far from the pitch, you got to any lower league stadium and the fans are basically on the pitch, with results in the 12th man being heard

its not the stands that need changing its the fans
the atmosphere at leicester on sunday was rubbish
the canton stand was like a mouse for most of the game
looking over to the ninian stand for the first time since the stadium has opened the top of 117 and 118 everybody looked like they were sitting down and lost their voices
every fan has a voice use it
you can blame all sorts of things for lack of atmosphere
new stadium
stewards
club policy
the basic fact is that its supporters who make atmospheres weve all got voices use them

its not the stands that need changing its the fans
the atmosphere at leicester on sunday was rubbish
the canton stand was like a mouse for most of the game
looking over to the ninian stand for the first time since the stadium has opened the top of 117 and 118 everybody looked like they were sitting down and lost their voices
every fan has a voice use it
you can blame all sorts of things for lack of atmosphere
new stadium
stewards
club policy
the basic fact is that its supporters who make atmospheres weve all got voices use them

Easier said than done. I've stood there and sung for 10 minutes on my tod with people just putting me down as a nut job (in the canton too) That's the problem, people need a reason or motive to sing these days, the fans are too excluded to feel part of the game like we did at Ninian. Moving to the grange WILL generate more singing FACT. Fans being able to look at each other eye to eye and exchange banter in form of chants is all part of football and Cardiff City. f**k a hostile atmosphere, I just want A atmosphere at the moment.

its not the stands that need changing its the fans
the atmosphere at leicester on sunday was rubbish
the canton stand was like a mouse for most of the game
looking over to the ninian stand for the first time since the stadium has opened the top of 117 and 118 everybody looked like they were sitting down and lost their voices
every fan has a voice use it
you can blame all sorts of things for lack of atmosphere
new stadium
stewards
club policy
the basic fact is that its supporters who make atmospheres weve all got voices use them

Easier said than done. I've stood there and sung for 10 minutes on my tod with people just putting me down as a nut job (in the canton too) That's the problem, people need a reason or motive to sing these days, the fans are too excluded to feel part of the game like we did at Ninian. Moving to the grange WILL generate more singing FACT. Fans being able to look at each other eye to eye and exchange banter in form of chants is all part of football and Cardiff City. f**k a hostile atmosphere, I just want A atmosphere at the moment.

like minded fans grouped together creates atmosphere FACT
if you cant create an atmosphere in the canton stand where the majority of our support from Ninian Parks Grange End and Grandstands Block A and B swapping the stands over in the CCS will make no difference whatsoever.
Exchanging banter between fans is a big part of what football is all about, but they days where fans could scream at each other from a few yards apart are long gone someone has decided its dangerous. Plus keeping the stands the way they are saves a ton of money on police and steward costs so money can spent elsewhere.

Most of the people who want to sing in the Ninian have been bullied into either moving to the Canton naughty step, or been told to sit down by lazy plastics. Why the f**k should people be bullied into standing behind a goal for the crime of wanting an atmosphere.

The fact is - last season, when it suited them, they let the people in the Ninian stand all game. Now they constantly hide behind 'the law', but its bullshit. 4 games in a row last season, and they didn't say a word about standing

Most of the people who want to sing in the Ninian have been bullied into either moving to the Canton naughty step, or been told to sit down by lazy plastics. Why the f**k should people be bullied into standing behind a goal for the crime of wanting an atmosphere.

The fact is - last season, when it suited them, they let the people in the Ninian stand all game. Now they constantly hide behind 'the law', but its bullshit. 4 games in a row last season, and they didn't say a word about standing

look im not going to get into this again its getting boring think what you want to think about the ninian stand im tired of defending the clubs decisions and the laws surrounding football its really not in my pay packet or in my job description at the club.
Your arguement works fine assuming that every fan in the ground wants to stand up and has the physical ability to stand up for an entire match. I cant exactly see how fans are being bullied into moving the club has stated where you are allowed to stand in the ground ie the canton stand, the club has offered supporters free transfers into the canton stand so you can create the famous cardiff atmosphere, the club has stated that standing will not be tolerated anywhere else in the ground, the club has bent over backwards to accomodate every type of supporter that attends matches from your sit down analyst to your stand up loud chanting fanatical fan. If you choose to ignore the rules and not take up the options the club provides you more fool you, keep thinking yourself as a victim

You can't see how fans are being bullied?


The very fact so many have been forced away into less desireable seats behind the goal in order to stand, being punished for wanting to make atmosphere, or being threatened with a stadium ban.

As I have pointed out but you have overlooked, why were the WHOLE of 116, 117 and 118 allowed to stand at the end of last season all game, when it suited the club and they needed an atmosphere? Where were the bloody rules and regulations then?

You know, and I know, that they could easily have made part of the Ninian stand a 'standing' section, just as they did with the Canton.

so who makes the final decision?

im so bored of these atmosphere threads. move the stands blah blah blah.

for god sake were the fans just sing, people will join in. were always quick to blame other things and other people. theres over 5000 people on this board alone, if we all sang every game ourselves we could have the atmosphere back.

but at the end of the day WE are the ones not creating the atmosphere

You can't see how fans are being bullied?


The very fact so many have been forced away into less desireable seats behind the goal in order to stand, being punished for wanting to make atmosphere, or being threatened with a stadium ban.

As I have pointed out but you have overlooked, why were the WHOLE of 116, 117 and 118 allowed to stand at the end of last season all game, when it suited the club and they needed an atmosphere? Where were the bloody rules and regulations then?

You know, and I know, that they could easily have made part of the Ninian stand a 'standing' section, just as they did with the Canton.

no i really cant see how fans are bullied i think its ludicrous for you to think they are
no one is forcing you to be in these parts of the ground so bullying it isnt
If you want to stand scream and shout the canton stand is the place to be
If you want to take you kids and enjoy a safe day at the football where you kids dont have to listen to foul language for 90 minutes and want a family orientated day out the family stand is the way to go
If you like a bit more sophisticated day out grandstand and the premier club are your options
Then there is the Ninian Stand the middle ground between the stands.
Im not sure how you can say its less desirable seats
If you were allowed to stand in the Ninian Stand i doubt half the fans would know what the score was at the end of the match as they would spend most of their time threatening to kill the opposition supporters.
The club is under lots of pressure to keep fans seated as they can get fined and threatened with capacity reductions which would effect you permanently when you find your seat is no longer allowed to be occupied and the club would lose revenue
Why were fans allowed to stand at the end of the season i dont know you will have to ask the club directly, but there is a fight between fans and stewards about standing sometimes the stewards win and everyone sits and sometimes the fans win and everybody stands.
One thing you need to figure out is that youve spent so much time coming up with excuses on why there is a poor atmosphere at the stadium youve forgotten to spend time producing an atmosphere, youve concentrated your entire efforts into hating stewards youve forgotten how to enjoy a game. Its pathetic at some points couple of weeks ago i was sent to the canton stand to inform 4 guys that one of their mates was in the first aid room because he had fallen ill, the amount of abuse i received because everyone assumed i was chucking them out was rather pathetic. The amount of city fans ive chucked out of the ground this season has been a big fat 0. The fact of the matter is that you cant do everything you want to do at the football because there are rules fans have to follow and if your annoyed about the club shouting at you for breaking the rules there is a very simple solution follow the rules and you will get left alone.

You can't see how fans are being bullied?


The very fact so many have been forced away into less desireable seats behind the goal in order to stand, being punished for wanting to make atmosphere, or being threatened with a stadium ban.

As I have pointed out but you have overlooked, why were the WHOLE of 116, 117 and 118 allowed to stand at the end of last season all game, when it suited the club and they needed an atmosphere? Where were the bloody rules and regulations then?

You know, and I know, that they could easily have made part of the Ninian stand a 'standing' section, just as they did with the Canton.

no i really cant see how fans are bullied i think its ludicrous for you to think they are
no one is forcing you to be in these parts of the ground so bullying it isnt
If you want to stand scream and shout the canton stand is the place to be
If you want to take you kids and enjoy a safe day at the football where you kids dont have to listen to foul language for 90 minutes and want a family orientated day out the family stand is the way to go
If you like a bit more sophisticated day out grandstand and the premier club are your options
Then there is the Ninian Stand the middle ground between the stands.
Im not sure how you can say its less desirable seats
If you were allowed to stand in the Ninian Stand i doubt half the fans would know what the score was at the end of the match as they would spend most of their time threatening to kill the opposition supporters.
The club is under lots of pressure to keep fans seated as they can get fined and threatened with capacity reductions which would effect you permanently when you find your seat is no longer allowed to be occupied and the club would lose revenue
Why were fans allowed to stand at the end of the season i dont know you will have to ask the club directly, but there is a fight between fans and stewards about standing sometimes the stewards win and everyone sits and sometimes the fans win and everybody stands.
One thing you need to figure out is that youve spent so much time coming up with excuses on why there is a poor atmosphere at the stadium youve forgotten to spend time producing an atmosphere, youve concentrated your entire efforts into hating stewards youve forgotten how to enjoy a game. Its pathetic at some points couple of weeks ago i was sent to the canton stand to inform 4 guys that one of their mates was in the first aid room because he had fallen ill, the amount of abuse i received because everyone assumed i was chucking them out was rather pathetic. The amount of city fans ive chucked out of the ground this season has been a big fat 0. The fact of the matter is that you cant do everything you want to do at the football because there are rules fans have to follow and if your annoyed about the club shouting at you for breaking the rules there is a very simple solution follow the rules and you will get left alone.

nice post !!

i and a few others in the family stand started singing and the second half 2 stewards came upto us and a few young teens and said we hope your going to behave yourselves the second half or you will have your season tickets taken
to be fair a few parents stepped in to say what was the problem they aint done anything wrong and one steward replied im just following orders ..

i and a few others in the family stand started singing and the second half 2 stewards came upto us and a few young teens and said we hope your going to behave yourselves the second half or you will have your season tickets taken
to be fair a few parents stepped in to say what was the problem they aint done anything wrong and one steward replied im just following orders ..

this might be a situation where stewards arent thinking outside of the box i dont know what you were chanting so im speculating here
there is alot more emphasis on obscene chants or aggressive chants in the family stand and these have to be kept in check after all you are in the family stand, but really instead of threatening you with being chucked out id just say 'calm it down guys dont forget your in the family stand, plus as you say no one around you seemed to have an issue with your chanting so a polite tap on the shoulder should really be all thats required

The club said when they opened the ground that they think that it's our fans that caused the "anti-social" problems at NP and that is why the family stand is next to the away fans. They want to create a comfortable experience for away fans in the ground. Unless the people in charge of the club think that the atmosphere has suffered, there won't be a change. But then, VT and TG never went to Ninian on the day of a big game so never experienced our fans at their best and most vociferous so know no different

The higher up the leagues you go the higher proportion of crowd are there to watch rather than participate. The atmosphere could easily be sorted by a relegation or two but not sure that would be best for club in long term. Need to make the best with what we've got.

I love the arguments put forward by the atmosphere police, we need to stand, we are in the wrong part of the ground, new fans are silent.....

It's the fans that used to create the atmosphere at Ninian Park that are to blame. They are still in the new ground but cannot get themselves going. New fans are not adding or detracting from the atmosphere and the sit down fans from Ninian are still doing the same. It's the noisy brigade that have gone quiet.

Anyway why can't we chant whilst sitting down? Or is it just an excuse to explain away how the old Grange End brigade are not what they used to be.

slightly off topic but the same happens at wales games, I was standing up and singing in the england game and some stupid wench behind me (nwaf) told me to sit down, before I had a chance to reply my mate told her where to go and said I hadn't missed a home game in donkeys years yet people like her think they can turn up and run the show. It's a fact of life now that the people who are only just getting into football are running things, clubs from arsenal to accrington don't want fans, they want customers and anyone who debates that is an idiot with rose tinted specs on.
The fact that nowadays you get evils from stewards/women/dickheads for swearing whilst chanting is ridiculous, it's a song ffs, not as if you intend to burn an orphange whilst singing it.

Football as people once knew it is dead, end of.

One other thing, those that complain then bring their wifes to a game, why?

I hate these threads because someone is always looking to blame someone else. The simple fact is if the club wanted the atmosphere improved it would relocate the family stand to the Canton and get all the singers in one place.

I would also point out that parents with young children wouldn't have such a long haul in walking their kids all the way to the far side of the stadium to gain access.

It sounds like a win, win situation to me

Fully agree with jonny012697. The set-up is as it is. Get used to it. If you want to stand, go to the Canton. If you want to snarl and gesticulate at the opposing fans,I don't see how that's supporting the team.
As for atmosphere, at many grounds where there is supposedly a good atmosphere, the standers/singers and the visiting fans are at opposite ends of the ground e.g Anfield.

I hate these threads because someone is always looking to blame someone else. The simple fact is if the club wanted the atmosphere improved it would relocate the family stand to the Canton and get all the singers in one place.

I would also point out that parents with young children wouldn't have such a long haul in walking their kids all the way to the far side of the stadium to gain access.

It sounds like a win, win situation to me

i fully agree i walk my yyoung daughter to the family stand and if its raining its not pleasant. where as if we were given the canton its closer to the car in bad weather. then the singers can go next to the away fans and the levelo of atmosphere will increase

I hate these threads because someone is always looking to blame someone else. The simple fact is if the club wanted the atmosphere improved it would relocate the family stand to the Canton and get all the singers in one place.

I would also point out that parents with young children wouldn't have such a long haul in walking their kids all the way to the far side of the stadium to gain access.

It sounds like a win, win situation to me

i fully agree i walk my yyoung daughter to the family stand and if its raining its not pleasant. where as if we were given the canton its closer to the car in bad weather. then the singers can go next to the away fans and the levelo of atmosphere will increase

Our club, and sense, don't go together well

The club said when they opened the ground that they think that it's our fans that caused the "anti-social" problems at NP and that is why the family stand is next to the away fans. They want to create a comfortable experience for away fans in the ground. Unless the people in charge of the club think that the atmosphere has suffered, there won't be a change. But then, VT and TG never went to Ninian on the day of a big game so never experienced our fans at their best and most vociferous so know no different

And what if they'd gone to Ninian on one of the MANY days when it was like a f*cking morgue?

They'd then think things had improved.

Let's be blunt - NP was LOUD very rarely, for big games. CCS is loud, rarely, for big games. The common denominator there is?

The club said when they opened the ground that they think that it's our fans that caused the "anti-social" problems at NP and that is why the family stand is next to the away fans. They want to create a comfortable experience for away fans in the ground. Unless the people in charge of the club think that the atmosphere has suffered, there won't be a change. But then, VT and TG never went to Ninian on the day of a big game so never experienced our fans at their best and most vociferous so know no different

And what if they'd gone to Ninian on one of the MANY days when it was like a f*cking morgue?

They'd then think things had improved.

Let's be blunt - NP was LOUD very rarely, for big games. CCS is loud, rarely, for big games. The common denominator there is?

Ifs and buts. What if they had, what if they hadn't? Who knows? But they seem happy with the way the ground and the fans are and, in all probability, don't ever read message boards such as this, so won't know the feeling of fans on here. Whether this message board is representative of ALL City fans who go to the games is another matter. That may be something we never find out