" Swans & CCFC-The Bigger Club??? "

Now I've always considered Cardiff City as the biggest club in Wales for obvious reasons.

If the unthinkable for you lads was to happen & Swansea reached the Premiership this season what will that do to the future of the 2 clubs & its fans for ever more?

For them to boast of getting to the Premiership first & have the cream of world football visiting the Liberty every other week will surely end all banter & arguments about the 2 clubs?

I imagine you're daily lives at work & on here for example will be torture listening, seeing & reading about Swansea's top flight exploits but what I want to know is as a Cardiff City supporter would you still consider yourselves the bigger club?

Is it all about who's history is bigger & better?

Who's had the best attendances over the years?

Who's had the better players?

Or does it all depend on who reaches the promised land first?

Believe it or not its life changing stuff.

If Swansea or Cardiff got there then club that goes up would be the bigger club in status. Cardiff have a bigger fan base than Blackpool but Blackpools status is bigger as they are a Premiership team. Same goes for teams like Wigan - crap support but a bigger club in status.

Hardly.

We've spent way too many years above the Jacks for it to matter.

It's revisionist bullshit to act like whoever would get to the PL first - the world of football didn't begin with the PL, we've been in the top div before, spending more years there than the Jacks.

Indeed, the jacks only got there managed by a Cardiff guy....

they'd claim it as a "victory" of sorts. That's their perogative, they've f**k all else to try to brag about.

We have always been the bigger club,,,& that's a fact that really infuriates them. Even when they got promoted to the old division one in the early eighties, & we went down to the "dungeon" we were still a bigger club than them. They don't like it, they don't like it at all, but that's the way it is. It's the same thing as Fulham fans claiming they are a bigger club than QPR??? Are they?

Last edited by RICK+CCFC on Sat May 14, 2011 11:08 am, edited 1 time in total.

when they went up last time i was the only ccfc fan in my year in school
it was torture they finished 6th in the first and we got relegated to the third
in maesteg we lost a whole generation of city fans during that period and some older city fans started following the jacks

i think i would hide away for a year til the bastards got relegated

But still it would be gutting for each set of fans to see their rivals get there wouldn't it? I remember talking to a Hull fan a while back and he said the premiership league is one big rip off - the prices are astronomical away from home. He used to think Hull were a big(ish) club but going to the premiership made him realize how small a fish they were.

If Swansea or Cardiff got there then club that goes up would be the bigger club in status. Cardiff have a bigger fan base than Blackpool but Blackpools status is bigger as they are a Premiership team. Same goes for teams like Wigan - crap support but a bigger club in status.

The bigger club is the one with the most support.

I'd always say that Southampton, Derby, Leeds etc.. were bigger clubs than Blackpool and Wigan and so would 90% of the rest of football fans. Have you ever heard of either of these descibed as 'big clubs', no. I bet you've heard it about Leeds a thousand times though.

Even if you went up we'd still be the bigger as we have more season tickets than your home capacity.

Most Jacks admit that.

Its really not important, success on the field is what counts.

LEEDS UTD are a bigger club than BLACKPOOL - FACT!

And that how it would work with Cardiff & Swansea!

What if they had bigger crowds than us just because they were in the Premiership?

Would that make them bigger?

I am very worried about them going up. I think they might do ok.

Interesting views.

Personally I think the first to get there will go from strength to strength with regards to finance, season ticket holders, quality of players, national & global exposure.

So surely despite the past that club would then be the biggest club of the 2?

maccydee would be impossible for swansea to get bigger crowds than us next season . we have sold 18,000 season tickets already and the max swansea could get at the liberty is 18,000 next season with segregation

in the championship we are guarenteed to get higher gates next season what ever league swansea play in !

maccydee would be impossible for swansea to get bigger crowds than us next season . we have sold 18,000 season tickets already and the max swansea could get at the liberty is 18,000 next season with segregation

in the championship we are guarenteed to get higher gates next season what ever league swansea play in !

Is that fact? I thought they could get bigger crowds than that?

Don't forget not all our season ticket holders turn up week in week out.

maccydee would be impossible for swansea to get bigger crowds than us next season . we have sold 18,000 season tickets already and the max swansea could get at the liberty is 18,000 next season with segregation

in the championship we are guarenteed to get higher gates next season what ever league swansea play in !

Is that fact? I thought they could get bigger crowds than that?

Don't forget not all our season ticket holders turn up week in week out.

Nor do Swansea's!

and regards to Stan, but Swansea will end up coming straight back down again anyway, a one season wonder. And thats only if they get up there.....!

Interesting views.

Personally I think the first to get there will go from strength to strength with regards to finance, season ticket holders, quality of players, national & global exposure.

So surely despite the past that club would then be the biggest club of the 2?

Not sure i agree on that, has the likes of Hull & Burnley, too name a few, become bigger clubs because of their time in the Premiership?

Interesting views.

Personally I think the first to get there will go from strength to strength with regards to finance, season ticket holders, quality of players, national & global exposure.

So surely despite the past that club would then be the biggest club of the 2?

Not sure i agree on that, has the likes of Hull & Burnley, too name a few, become bigger clubs because of their time in the Premiership?

Fair point Rick but in my opinion Swansea & Cardiff are both bigger clubs than Burnley & Hull with regards to potential fan bases.

I really feel both clubs could do themselves massive justice in the top flight.

Agree with Burnley but not Hull.

They are potentially a big club with big crowds I think.

SIMPLE

Crowds----cardiff are bigger
No1 team in Wales as the league table stands today-----Swansea are bigger

You could go and and on.....blah blah blah

Interesting views.

Personally I think the first to get there will go from strength to strength with regards to finance, season ticket holders, quality of players, national & global exposure.

That is to be seen. In the 80s Swansea reached the top flight, old 1st divsion, while we dropped down to the third divison. The support the Jacks had then hardly increased so it is questionalble if it would increase significantly if they are successful in the play offs.

If Cardiff are the successful ones then it could be a totally different scenario. It would be disappointing if the club failed to attract around 30,000 for its' home games. There has not been top flight football in the capital for nearly 50 years and interest in the club has fallen because of it. Reaching the premiership will reverse that.

Interesting views.

Personally I think the first to get there will go from strength to strength with regards to finance, season ticket holders, quality of players, national & global exposure.

That is to be seen. In the 80s Swansea reached the top flight, old 1st divsion, while we dropped down to the third divison. The support the Jacks had then hardly increased so it is questionalble if it would increase significantly if they are successful in the play offs.

If Cardiff are the successful ones then it could be a totally different scenario. It would be disappointing if the club failed to attract around 30,000 for its' home games. There has not been top flight football in the capital for nearly 50 years and interest in the club has fallen because of it. Reaching the premiership will reverse that.

Ian ,the Jacks when they reached the top flight in the 80's first season Averaged 17,000 at home, second season averaged at home 13,000

I think Plymouth, now in League 2 are a bigger club than some of the lower Premiership clubs, and they are definitely a bigger club than their local rivals, Torquay and Exeter who might both be a division higher than them next season. Sheffield Wednesday are a much bigger club than Sheffield United despite being a division lower for a couple of seasons. My opinion is to determine the size of a club, you have to look at the stadium and the fans. Nobody can control what happens on the pitch and the performance of teams will always change and clubs will always go up and down divisions. But what will never change is whatever level a club are playing at, the big clubs are the ones who still have a big fan base at that level. When Man City got relegated to League 1 for example, their first home attendance at that level was around the 30k mark, in my opinion this proves they are a huge club and they were still a much bigger club in League 1 than the majority of the Premiership clubs.

If Swansea got to the Premiership, they will have crowds equal to us in the Championship. If we got to the Premiership, we would need to expand our stadium and our crowd attendances would dwarf the crowds Swansea would get in the Championship. For me, this indicates that Cardiff will always be a bigger club than Swansea, whatever level ourselves and Swansea are playing at. Obviously, those playing at a higher level will get more income, but that income comes from the teams performance on the pitch. So if Swansea get to the Premiership, it will not make them a bigger club than us in my opinion.

Interesting views.

Personally I think the first to get there will go from strength to strength with regards to finance, season ticket holders, quality of players, national & global exposure.

That is to be seen. In the 80s Swansea reached the top flight, old 1st divsion, while we dropped down to the third divison. The support the Jacks had then hardly increased so it is questionalble if it would increase significantly if they are successful in the play offs.

If Cardiff are the successful ones then it could be a totally different scenario. It would be disappointing if the club failed to attract around 30,000 for its' home games. There has not been top flight football in the capital for nearly 50 years and interest in the club has fallen because of it. Reaching the premiership will reverse that.

Ian ,the Jacks when they reached the top flight in the 80's first season Averaged 17,000 at home, second season averaged at home 13,000

It was dreadful support Annis and I believe it is what the Jacks worry about more than anything in the fact if we get there our support will rocket alot more than than what they could only dream about.

It was dreadful support Annis and I believe it is what the Jacks worry about more than anything in the fact if we get there our support will rocket alot more than than what they could only dream about.[/quote]


I agree Ian and if we get there a 40,000 Stadium would not be Big enough for us

Interesting views.

Personally I think the first to get there will go from strength to strength with regards to finance, season ticket holders, quality of players, national & global exposure.

So surely despite the past that club would then be the biggest club of the 2?

Not sure i agree on that, has the likes of Hull & Burnley, too name a few, become bigger clubs because of their time in the Premiership?

Fair point Rick but in my opinion Swansea & Cardiff are both bigger clubs than Burnley & Hull with regards to potential fan bases.

I really feel both clubs could do themselves massive justice in the top flight.

hull are bigger then swansea

The true test of a big club would be staying in the premiership not just getting there and to do that you need strong revenue streams and a big fan base.I too remember the last time the Swans were in the top flight and couldn't understand why they were so poorly supported.Secondly if the swans got up its doubtful whether they have the financial clout to strenghten their squad as they would need to.Even QPR and Norwich will come straight back down without significant investment.For me the biggest club outside the premiership is Leeds.There's an inevetability about them being back in the prem before long.As for Cardiff,if we get there we will grow to a size the swans cannot match ever.

The likes of Wigan, Bury, Oldham, Bradford, Barnsley and Watford are proof of the fact no club can survive in the Premiershit on less than 20,000 attendances (wigan ARE going down this season).

That's a hard and fast rule over a period of about 3/4 years that I've yet to see proven wrong.

The Jacks cannot have more than 18,000 in their ground. They will not survive.

We now have the infrastructure.

We both, however, have to get there first.

One of us will not do it this season.

That's a fact.

all posts a bit irrelavant we cant get no more than our capacity and swans cant either

Jacks capacity is around 19500.

Their ground CAN be expanded, but stands would have to be pulled down first, so its unlikely to happen.

Ours can be expanded easily.

IF we go up then we can push on bringing our ground up to 35k. Our mega-rich owners will invest further to enable us to compete. The Jacks don't have either of these luxuries.

I think its more of a worry for them than us, that they might lose support in the 'in between' areas of Neath, PT, Aberdare, and Bridgend. Not many will 'switch', but the vast majority of new fans in that area will become Bluebirds.

We're not a big club and never will be.And we don't profess to being one either.We're happy in our own skins as a football club,something that Cardiff City will never be.

Swansea are a small to average sized club,who know this and accept it.Cardiff always think they are bigger than what they are as their the capital city.I do believe though that if they reach the premiership then the club will take off like no other,and the CCS will need more seats.

We'll just keep plugging away under the radar and upsetting the applecart cos its what we do

We're not a big club and never will be.And we don't profess to being one either.We're happy in our own skins as a football club,something that Cardiff City will never be.

Swansea are a small to average sized club,who know this and accept it.Cardiff always think they are bigger than what they are as their the capital city.I do believe though that if they reach the premiership then the club will take off like no other,and the CCS will need more seats.

We'll just keep plugging away under the radar and upsetting the applecart cos its what we do

Whinging about Cardiff getting everything is what you do

We're not a big club and never will be.And we don't profess to being one either.We're happy in our own skins as a football club,something that Cardiff City will never be.

Swansea are a small to average sized club,who know this and accept it.Cardiff always think they are bigger than what they are as their the capital city.I do believe though that if they reach the premiership then the club will take off like no other,and the CCS will need more seats.

We'll just keep plugging away under the radar and upsetting the applecart cos its what we do

Whinging about Cardiff getting everything is what you do

Me personally? As i said previously,we're happy where we are and even if we dont go up this season then it'll still be a good season.Whereas if you dont,then you may just well implode.

I watched the game last night and all i heard from your vociferous support was swansea this and swansea that