" Football banning orders What are your views? "

Personally I think when used correctly they can act as a deterrent to stop trouble at matches and prevent proven trouble makers from attending games, but should a football banning order be issued to every fan taken to court regardless of the accusations against them ( even for the most minor of offences. The Olympics are due and banning orders are increasing again, the same as when a world cup or Euro Championship is due, is is fair, should fans be banned on merit or banned because a large tournament is due...what's your thoughts on this?

Personally I think when used correctly they can act as a deterrent to stop trouble at matches and prevent proven trouble makers from attending games, but should a football banning order be issued to every fan taken to court regardless of the accusations against them ( even for the most minor of offences. The Olympics are due and banning orders are increasing again, the same as when a world cup or Euro Championship is due, is is fair, should fans be banned on merit or banned because a large tournament is due...what's your thoughts on this?

every case should be looked at individually paul.
the problem is the courts will at this moment dish out the same sentence to a first time offender as they would to a persistent offender.
There is also the unfairness of the system where a football fan is automatically treated harsher than any othe offender at sporting events.
Worst of all paul and where you and other families have suffered is where high profile category C games have been used by the authorities to carry out some sort of cull

They're normally spot on. The evidence of that is only too glaring given that the levels of criminal behaviour around football grounds are lower than we've seen for 20/25/30 years.

Some have grown up, some have been banned. It's one or the other really.

But the law should not change at will. It is the law, and the punishment should always fit the crime. There's no variables on a criminal sentence really.

They're normally spot on. The evidence of that is only too glaring given that the levels of criminal behaviour around football grounds are lower than we've seen for 20/25/30 years.

Some have grown up, some have been banned. It's one or the other really.

But the law should not change at will. It is the law, and the punishment should always fit the crime. There's no variables on a criminal sentence really.

but the punishment does not always fit the crime, that's the feckin problem

We are seeing an upturn in banning orders now the Olympics are approaching and it is almost becoming policy now for the police to apply for a FBO for every case that they take to court, even the most petty, and for first offenders. Where is the protection for the football fan, where can they turn to for help? We all could be banned Tomorrow under section 14b and there is not a thing you or I could do about it. I am writing up a notice of motion to the FSF to look into the Banning order situation as a whole, including police bail banning orders which are given pre trial to fans arrested before going to court ( which could take up to 2 years) Banned without trial and if found innocent...no compensation, nothing...if found guilty the two years served banned is not taken into account so a 3 year banning order really is a 5 year banning order.

fair enough have banning order for if you get caught in trouble and proven guilty but what happened to inncoent until proven giulty? it applies to everything except football.

Corky.

I was given a 3 year banning order after a certain game in the potteries many years ago and we all know what happened there.

It was my first offence but it didnt matter to them, the resources they must have put in to come down here from Staffs and seek me out for the most minor of offences must have cost them a fortune. They wanted to throw the book at me, I was just lucky the judge saw sense on the day. I also know a lad who had a 6 year ban and 15 Months Jail for something that would have just been broken up and moved along on a Saturday night out. It to, was his first offence. I also know lads very well that have 10 year bans, and to be honest, most of them admit they had it coming.

As it turns out, they probably did me a favour banning me when they did, cos to be honest with you it was the start of a few years when there were some 'incidents' at our games and I was starting to get a bit involved to be honest.

I feel sorry for the young lads now who get carried away, they are oblivious to what the consequences are. I went to Chelsea and saw all those young lads and a few older making themselves busy on the Fulham Road thinking to myself, this is nothing realy, but your putting yourself right in the firing line there lads just for being there, again we all know what happened.

As Steve said above, every case should be treated on their own merrits, some of these lads should be given a chance at least, a 10 game ban, and a fine. Not instant 3 year bans or worse.

Personally I think when used correctly they can act as a deterrent to stop trouble at matches and prevent proven trouble makers from attending games, but should a football banning order be issued to every fan taken to court regardless of the accusations against them ( even for the most minor of offences. The Olympics are due and banning orders are increasing again, the same as when a world cup or Euro Championship is due, is is fair, should fans be banned on merit or banned because a large tournament is due...what's your thoughts on this?

Corky,

My opinion, I accept there should be a ban if your Found Guilty or plead Guilty to fighting at a football match, BUT and I mean a BIG BUT, Many fans getting Banning orders for having to much drink, sticking their fingers up etc and now they have the Civil Ban where you cant get legal aid and even though you don't get a criminal record you get banned from 3years anything up to 10 years. I just don't see how this is justified, without a criminal record, say your in an area over the next few yrs on say 3 different occasions where there was trouble near by or yr seen coming of a coach/train, seen with what the police call Risks supporters they put these Civil Bans on you

Back to these bans, First I dont agree that you should have to sign at Police stations for up to the next 10 years every time say Wales or England play. Also being banned from City Centres on match days for up to the next 10 years, its taking your liberty away from you, your freedom, handing your pass port in every time Wales play.On a register like a Pedophile, whats that all about.
You could end up having to do all this for less than what someone does outside a night on a Saturday night and they at worse get an £80 fine and sent on their way.

So No I dont agree with how these Bans are used.



What does a Rugby fan get for being drunk at a Rugby match ?

being a football fan is no different to being a terrorist in the way being monitored and banned is concerned. i admit i was no angel years ago,but this still follows me to this day as i'm still on the so called hooligan database. i was pulled for chelsea and did nothing,had charges dropped at last minute but still did not stop f.i. officers[i.e. palmer] phoning my home telephone,and being tugged at games for a 'little chat' when i was with the missus and family. i've been threatened with civil ban without courtcase,what other walk of life could this be legal and just. regarding the lads away at pompey,if something happens you're not allowed to defend yourself,coz self defence in their eyes is no mitigation. 1 example i'll give u was a friend of mine got nicked for smoking a fag on the train after an away match,'3 year banning order'. very worrying times. theres a thing called the rehabillatation of offenders act 1974,but this doesnt seem to apply to football related offences as far as the f.i. are concerned

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Danny Davies
You can do a lot worse on a saturday night yet you don't see banning orders handed out for going out on a saturday night.
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Kevin White
A load of bollocks, needs to be contested on the human rights issue! 3 year bans for consuming alcohol , while the egg chasers can sit and drink in their seats, granted that there will always be football violence whether drink is available or not, but being handed a banning order for entering a stadium after consuming a couple of cold ones is a farce. Two weeks ago@ millwall 34 arrests that being 32 jacks all nicked whilst entering the ground all because they had been drinking all processed locked up and no charges brought some 6 hours later!!! Probably had the same problems yourself annis ! What do you think?
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They're normally spot on. The evidence of that is only too glaring given that the levels of criminal behaviour around football grounds are lower than we've seen for 20/25/30 years.

Some have grown up, some have been banned. It's one or the other really.

But the law should not change at will. It is the law, and the punishment should always fit the crime. There's no variables on a criminal sentence really.

but the punishment does not always fit the crime, that's the feckin problem

Yeah, I know, sorry I should've stressed the word SHOULD. Totally get that the old bill and the law is completely crooked on such issues. I was up at Sheffield when the FSF had a meeting on this very issue and some of the stories we heard that night were f*king shocking.

They're normally spot on. The evidence of that is only too glaring given that the levels of criminal behaviour around football grounds are lower than we've seen for 20/25/30 years.

Some have grown up, some have been banned. It's one or the other really.

But the law should not change at will. It is the law, and the punishment should always fit the crime. There's no variables on a criminal sentence really.

but the punishment does not always fit the crime, that's the feckin problem

Yeah, I know, sorry I should've stressed the word SHOULD. Totally get that the old bill and the law is completely crooked on such issues. I was up at Sheffield when the FSF had a meeting on this very issue and some of the stories we heard that night were f*king shocking.

Yeah no problem, punishments friends have received recently for what most people would consider minor offences compared to some of the punishment handed out for truly sickening crimes has made me lose all faith in the criminal justice system.
The changes to legal aid are also ridiculous, people being asked for monthly contributions before being convicted of any crimes of almost 90% of your disposable income and that's not included travel to work, bills, food, so you're left with a minus amount every month if you bother to continue to work while going to trial. What I always took for granted in this country is quickly evaporating in front of my eyes.

fair enough have banning order for if you get caught in trouble and proven guilty but what happened to inncoent until proven giulty? it applies to everything except football.

Unfortunately that's not quite true, I've been banned from using any trains for the last two years for something not football related and have yet to be found guilty of any crimes regarding this.
This is what happens when the Police have so much say in goverment policy.

i got 3 year ban for running on the pitch up in oxford when we beat them 7-1 first offence , £300 fine also , i didnt evan get on the pitch the steward triped me up b4 i could get on .

They're a joke IMO.

Normal assault - small sentence if that
Rugby assault - see above
Football related assault - prison guaranteed and 6+ year ban

Wrong place wrong time in relation to football = ban.

theres possibaly more serious crimes you could commit. and not get a sentence as hard as a football related incident,

The law is open to interpretation. That is you really dont know if you have broken it or not and it is usually down to someone else to tell you before you realise.

So there am I at Burnley and to my left are the EDL lookalikes supporting the home team. They were giving us stick all game until Bellamys late goal of which I and plenty of other Cardiff fans start to give it back. I actually stuck my middle finger up at them as to sit on that and swivel like. Very bravado of me dont you think. So how is that interpretated?

To me it is perhaps wild banter, to others nothing but to a zealous copper it could be considered provoking a riot. So I could get arrested and then I'm up against a judge who depending on what he or she ate for dinner could throw the book at me or let me off.

What I am saying is the rights I have is really down to someone else judgement. It is difficult to understand the law. That bit you do understand you will find it is down to someone else to tell you if you have broken it or not. So whats the point of understanding. We dont know where we stand do we?

The law is open to interpretation. That is you really dont know if you have broken it or not and it is usually down to someone else to tell you before you realise.

So there am I at Burnley and to my left are the EDL lookalikes supporting the home team. They were giving us stick all game until Bellamys late goal of which I and plenty of other Cardiff fans start to give it back. I actually stuck my middle finger up at them as to sit on that and swivel like. Very bravado of me dont you think. So how is that interpretated?

To me it is perhaps wild banter, to others nothing but to a zealous copper it could be considered provoking a riot. So I could get arrested and then I'm up against a judge who depending on what he or she ate for dinner could throw the book at me or let me off.

What I am saying is the rights I have is really down to someone else judgement. It is difficult to understand the law. That bit you do understand you will find it is down to someone else to tell you if you have broken it or not. So whats the point of understanding. We dont know where we stand do we?

Spot on Ian

We dont know where we stand do we?

We don't, and that suits them down to the ground.

All we can do is know the law inside out (working on that one ) and have a camera handy to make sure someone films whatever's going on - because that's perfectly legal up to a certain point (you can't follow the fookers into the riot fan with a camera, put it that way!)

getting banned from Forums is bad enough let alone games

My mate got two year ban after Stoke for being drunk, made example of him because he was a company director !

Never missed a game and came on SoccerAm when we went on there !

Did anyone read this in yesterdays Mirror

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/2 ... -23123960/

If a violent burgler breaks into my house when any of my family are there
the c**t will be lucky to get out alive FACT.

Personally I think when used correctly they can act as a deterrent to stop trouble at matches and prevent proven trouble makers from attending games, but should a football banning order be issued to every fan taken to court regardless of the accusations against them ( even for the most minor of offences. The Olympics are due and banning orders are increasing again, the same as when a world cup or Euro Championship is due, is is fair, should fans be banned on merit or banned because a large tournament is due...what's your thoughts on this?

They should be banned!

Can we get one banning Jones from being anywhere near the dugout?

Personally I think when used correctly they can act as a deterrent to stop trouble at matches and prevent proven trouble makers from attending games, but should a football banning order be issued to every fan taken to court regardless of the accusations against them ( even for the most minor of offences. The Olympics are due and banning orders are increasing again, the same as when a world cup or Euro Championship is due, is is fair, should fans be banned on merit or banned because a large tournament is due...what's your thoughts on this?

Banned the real supporters...... who likes his team and spends money.........Ban ..........him and let a person who is not allowed in this country ......who has killed a child by running her over with no insurence or MOT.
WHY Ban real football fans?