QPR Hearing

Having spent the day looking at all the talk regarding QPR,the most likely outcome must be:

QPR will not escape punishment and will have a points deduction.
The FA will not want the QPR punishment to to get messy with any appeals interferring with the playoffs etc so QPRs punishment will be a deduction of points sufficient to ensure that they finish second behind Norwich and therefore be denied going up as champions.This will be seen as a balanced punishment and QPR will be unlikely to appeal as they will still be going up anyway.This scenario would have no effect on the natural outcome of who finishes in the playoffs and the FA will not lose face.

Having spent the day looking at all the talk regarding QPR,the most likely outcome must be:

QPR will not escape punishment and will have a points deduction.
The FA will not want the QPR punishment to to get messy with any appeals interferring with the playoffs etc so QPRs punishment will be a deduction of points sufficient to ensure that they finish second behind Norwich and therefore be denied going up as champions.This will be seen as a balanced punishment and QPR will be unlikely to appeal as they will still be going up anyway.This scenario would have no effect on the natural outcome of who finishes in the playoffs and the FA will not lose face.

I was thinking the same thing. Take enough points off them so that they just finish second. That would explain why they've left it so late to deal with, seeing where things are first before they deduct points.

Having spent the day looking at all the talk regarding QPR,the most likely outcome must be:

QPR will not escape punishment and will have a points deduction.
The FA will not want the QPR punishment to to get messy with any appeals interferring with the playoffs etc so QPRs punishment will be a deduction of points sufficient to ensure that they finish second behind Norwich and therefore be denied going up as champions.This will be seen as a balanced punishment and QPR will be unlikely to appeal as they will still be going up anyway.This scenario would have no effect on the natural outcome of who finishes in the playoffs and the FA will not lose face.

If qpr get promoted through an ineligible player and fraud by the club, then why reward them with 90 million over 4 years????????
If found guilty they need to be punished, and not given promotion and 90 million. They cheated full stop. I feel sorry for the fans and not the club.

Having spent the day looking at all the talk regarding QPR,the most likely outcome must be:

QPR will not escape punishment and will have a points deduction.
The FA will not want the QPR punishment to to get messy with any appeals interferring with the playoffs etc so QPRs punishment will be a deduction of points sufficient to ensure that they finish second behind Norwich and therefore be denied going up as champions.This will be seen as a balanced punishment and QPR will be unlikely to appeal as they will still be going up anyway.This scenario would have no effect on the natural outcome of who finishes in the playoffs and the FA will not lose face.

True ! didnt think of it like that !

Having spent the day looking at all the talk regarding QPR,the most likely outcome must be:

QPR will not escape punishment and will have a points deduction.
The FA will not want the QPR punishment to to get messy with any appeals interferring with the playoffs etc so QPRs punishment will be a deduction of points sufficient to ensure that they finish second behind Norwich and therefore be denied going up as champions.This will be seen as a balanced punishment and QPR will be unlikely to appeal as they will still be going up anyway.This scenario would have no effect on the natural outcome of who finishes in the playoffs and the FA will not lose face.

I was thinking the same thing. Take enough points off them so that they just finish second. That would explain why they've left it so late to deal with, seeing where things are first before they deduct points.

This is the only logical conclusion.Taking 15 points off QPR will only delay the playoffs pending any appeal and things would get messy.As you pointed out, that is why the FA have left it this late in the day.

Having spent the day looking at all the talk regarding QPR,the most likely outcome must be:

QPR will not escape punishment and will have a points deduction.
The FA will not want the QPR punishment to to get messy with any appeals interferring with the playoffs etc so QPRs punishment will be a deduction of points sufficient to ensure that they finish second behind Norwich and therefore be denied going up as champions.This will be seen as a balanced punishment and QPR will be unlikely to appeal as they will still be going up anyway.This scenario would have no effect on the natural outcome of who finishes in the playoffs and the FA will not lose face.

If qpr get promoted through an ineligible player and fraud by the club, then why reward them with 90 million over 4 years????????
If found guilty they need to be punished, and not given promotion and 90 million. They cheated full stop. I feel sorry for the fans and not the club.

The punishment will be denying them going up as champions and you make a good point about them still being rewarded with 90 million but I think that you will also see them receive a huge fine on top so they are not seen as being financially rewarded as well.

when is the announcement?

and how would they take enough points off them on a Friday - when there are still games the following day? it is still possible that Cardiff can finish 1pt behind Norwich?

Lets say QPR win - 91 pts
Norwich finish on - 83pts
Cardiff finish on 82pts

How do you deduct enough points then if Cardiff are only 9 away?
and how do you estimate that on the Friday before the games where anything can happen?

and how would they take enough points off them on a Friday - when there are still games the following day? it is still possible that Cardiff can finish 1pt behind Norwich?

Lets say QPR win - 91 pts
Norwich finish on - 83pts
Cardiff finish on 82pts

How do you deduct enough points then if Cardiff are only 9 away?
and how do you estimate that on the Friday before the games where anything can happen?

Goal difference probably. They are 18 goals to the good over us and 17 over the Jacks. They would have to lose 9-0 and us or the Jacks would have to win 9-0

firstly they have 7 charges against them ,so the first decision is are they guilty of any ,once that is established they would have to fix a penalty for each guilty offence, bearing in mind that each penalty would become a president ,there for they cant just make up a contrived amount, to guarantee they finished behind norwich they would have to deduct them9 points (leaving them 4 points behind norwich) now that would leave them on 79 points ,the same as us, 2 ahead of the jbs ,therefor not guaranteeing them 2 nd place, so thats a stupid idea that cant work ,forget all the conspiracy ideas , if they are guilty they will be punished according to the offence / offences, each offence will carry its own penalty so enough is enough of all this speculation lets all just wait untill friday when we will all know for sure.

and how would they take enough points off them on a Friday - when there are still games the following day? it is still possible that Cardiff can finish 1pt behind Norwich?

Lets say QPR win - 91 pts
Norwich finish on - 83pts
Cardiff finish on 82pts

How do you deduct enough points then if Cardiff are only 9 away?
and how do you estimate that on the Friday before the games where anything can happen?

Given your scenario they could slot QPR on 82 points because Cardiff would still be behind on goal diff.Given there is one game left the FA would simplify it and just make QPR finish on whatever Norwich end up with minus one point which would ensure they also go up.

and how would they take enough points off them on a Friday - when there are still games the following day? it is still possible that Cardiff can finish 1pt behind Norwich?

Lets say QPR win - 91 pts
Norwich finish on - 83pts
Cardiff finish on 82pts

How do you deduct enough points then if Cardiff are only 9 away?
and how do you estimate that on the Friday before the games where anything can happen?

Thats why it was so important to win last night it would have given us 3rd place at worst and even if we lost and QPR won we would have been 9 points behind them.

Deep down I have always thought that 10 points would be the minimum but after last night a 10 point deduction would see justice served but unless we win at Burnley we will not benefit from it.

and how would they take enough points off them on a Friday - when there are still games the following day? it is still possible that Cardiff can finish 1pt behind Norwich?

Lets say QPR win - 91 pts
Norwich finish on - 83pts
Cardiff finish on 82pts

How do you deduct enough points then if Cardiff are only 9 away?
and how do you estimate that on the Friday before the games where anything can happen?

Given your scenario they could slot QPR on 82 points because Cardiff would still be behind on goal diff.Given there is one game left the FA would simplify it and just make QPR finish on whatever Norwich end up with minus one point which would ensure they also go up.

So you think the FA will just pluck a pts deduction figure out of the air for the charges under investigation, and prepare themselves for a Cardiff City v FA legal battle? I dont think that will happen.....

and how would they take enough points off them on a Friday - when there are still games the following day? it is still possible that Cardiff can finish 1pt behind Norwich?

Lets say QPR win - 91 pts
Norwich finish on - 83pts
Cardiff finish on 82pts

How do you deduct enough points then if Cardiff are only 9 away?
and how do you estimate that on the Friday before the games where anything can happen?

Given your scenario they could slot QPR on 82 points because Cardiff would still be behind on goal diff.Given there is one game left the FA would simplify it and just make QPR finish on whatever Norwich end up with minus one point which would ensure they also go up.

So you think the FA will just pluck a pts deduction figure out of the air for the charges under investigation, and prepare themselves for a Cardiff City v FA legal battle? I dont think that will happen.....

I agree the punishment would be vague but the sanction would be in not going up as champions and a huge fine.Under this scenario punishment would have been seen to be applied by the FA and it would not interfere with the natural finishing positions of the clubs below who make the playoffs. A scenario including a massive points deduction would involve appeals, legal challenges and would cause delays to the playoffs and become extremely messy.Also ask yourself why the FA have left it so late in the day to act?

my view is if they are guilty. they will have enough points deducted. so they aint in the play-offs. otherwise. your guilty qpr. but we will give you a chance in the playoffs,,, dont think so

The FA handbook of rules and regulations states there is an appeal process in place of the IRC's final decision. Im not sure how it stands to be honest - but it does say that following the sanctions applied by the IRC/FA they have until 12 noon 4 days after the hearing to appeal, and that the IRC would take a maximum of 2 days to respond? (that funnily enough would be the day of the very first semi final playoff tie?

but once they penalise them any other club falling foul of the same offence would expect the same penalty thats why i say each offence will carry its own penalty also putin g them on 82 points only 2 behind norwich would still leave the possibilty of qpr being champions

The FA handbook of rules and regulations states there is an appeal process in place of the IRC's final decision. Im not sure how it stands to be honest - but it does say that following the sanctions applied by the IRC/FA they have until 12 noon 4 days after the hearing to appeal, and that the IRC would take a maximum of 2 days to respond? (that funnily enough would be the day of the very first semi final playoff tie?

That date would be ironic.Whatever the punishment metered out, you would think that the FA would have factored it into their deliberations as to what the effect would be when the sanctions have been applied.Lets be honest they have had enough time to think about it. Knowing our luck, if QPR were deducted 15 points, we would blow our last match and Swansea would go up and we would be left playing QPR in the playoffs.