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" LET US ALL REMEMBER "

Sun May 01, 2011 5:10 pm

That throughout all this talk of QPR and cheating etc.

Remember how many clubs were gunning for us when we signed Craig Bellamy.

We do not pay anywhere near a percentage of his wages before it is deemed morally correct and I am certain that the rules regarding loan signings will change this Summer as a result.

I am not saying that we have cheated in any way but are we right to take the moral high ground when, let's be honest, we would be going mental if another club had done what we have done throughout this season.

Yes QPR may have broken rules but they were broken in August 2009, not this season and as far as I am concerned they are worthy Champions and if we are to gain promotion automatically then I hope we do it on merit.

I am not saying I would take promotion via default but I certainly would not celebrate it and I think that way of promotion would cause problems amongst City fans as those who want DJ out would claim he has ultimately failed and he only got up by default.

Re: LET US ALL REMEMBER

Sun May 01, 2011 5:18 pm

carlccfc wrote:That throughout all this talk of QPR and cheating etc.

Remember how many clubs were gunning for us when we signed Craig Bellamy.

We do not pay anywhere near a percentage of his wages before it is deemed morally correct and I am certain that the rules regarding loan signings will change this Summer as a result.

I am not saying that we have cheated in any way but are we right to take the moral high ground when, let's be honest, we would be going mental if another club had done what we have done throughout this season.

Yes QPR may have broken rules but they were broken in August 2009, not this season and as far as I am concerned they are worthy Champions and if we are to gain promotion automatically then I hope we do it on merit.

I am not saying I would take promotion via default but I certainly would not celebrate it and I think that way of promotion would cause problems amongst City fans as those who want DJ out would claim he has ultimately failed and he only got up by default.

Good post Carl. It is a shame that QPR were not dealt with earlier. The whole speculation about points deductions etc is very unsettling. I hope we win both games and norwich slip up. Then we will have gone up fair and square regardless of QPR

Re: LET US ALL REMEMBER

Sun May 01, 2011 5:24 pm

carlccfc wrote:That throughout all this talk of QPR and cheating etc.

Remember how many clubs were gunning for us when we signed Craig Bellamy.

We do not pay anywhere near a percentage of his wages before it is deemed morally correct and I am certain that the rules regarding loan signings will change this Summer as a result.

I am not saying that we have cheated in any way but are we right to take the moral high ground when, let's be honest, we would be going mental if another club had done what we have done throughout this season.

Yes QPR may have broken rules but they were broken in August 2009, not this season and as far as I am concerned they are worthy Champions and if we are to gain promotion automatically then I hope we do it on merit.

I am not saying I would take promotion via default but I certainly would not celebrate it and I think that way of promotion would cause problems amongst City fans as those who want DJ out would claim he has ultimately failed and he only got up by default.


Top post. Some of the posts regarding QPR from Cardiff fans over the internet come across as very bitter and childish.

Re: LET US ALL REMEMBER

Sun May 01, 2011 5:28 pm

assuming QPR are guilty then they deserve everything they get as they broke the rules that were set in stone.....we signed bellamy and broke no rules whatsoever and all the clubs were going mad! At the end of the day if we had gone into admin we would have been deducted the 20 points as they are the rules! would we be getting sympathetic views from other clubs....would we f**k! f**k QPR if they are guilty. If we can't overhaul norwich on our own and we do get promoted because qpr are deducted points i will be celebrating just as much. "IF YOU CAN'T DO THE TIME, DON'T DO THE CRIME"

Re: LET US ALL REMEMBER

Sun May 01, 2011 5:33 pm

carlccfc wrote:That throughout all this talk of QPR and cheating etc.

Remember how many clubs were gunning for us when we signed Craig Bellamy.

We do not pay anywhere near a percentage of his wages before it is deemed morally correct and I am certain that the rules regarding loan signings will change this Summer as a result.

I am not saying that we have cheated in any way but are we right to take the moral high ground when, let's be honest, we would be going mental if another club had done what we have done throughout this season.

Yes QPR may have broken rules but they were broken in August 2009, not this season and as far as I am concerned they are worthy Champions and if we are to gain promotion automatically then I hope we do it on merit.

I am not saying I would take promotion via default but I certainly would not celebrate it and I think that way of promotion would cause problems amongst City fans as those who want DJ out would claim he has ultimately failed and he only got up by default.




spot on carl

Re: LET US ALL REMEMBER

Sun May 01, 2011 5:35 pm

carlccfc wrote:That throughout all this talk of QPR and cheating etc.

Remember how many clubs were gunning for us when we signed Craig Bellamy.

We do not pay anywhere near a percentage of his wages before it is deemed morally correct and I am certain that the rules regarding loan signings will change this Summer as a result.

I am not saying that we have cheated in any way but are we right to take the moral high ground when, let's be honest, we would be going mental if another club had done what we have done throughout this season.

Yes QPR may have broken rules but they were broken in August 2009, not this season and as far as I am concerned they are worthy Champions and if we are to gain promotion automatically then I hope we do it on merit.

I am not saying I would take promotion via default but I certainly would not celebrate it and I think that way of promotion would cause problems amongst City fans as those who want DJ out would claim he has ultimately failed and he only got up by default.




Well you support DJ right ? and you support Cardiff City Right ? and DJ when ask about this Bellers money problem , he said let them say what they want , we have done nothing wrong , we have play by there rules.
So yes ! lets take the high ground as you put it, till we have done something wrong then they will all come down on us like they did even before we kicked a ball in the FA cup Final . :P

Re: LET US ALL REMEMBER

Sun May 01, 2011 5:40 pm

we have done nothing wrong,we have abided by the rules,qpr havent so if they get docked points so be it,i fail to see any comparision to what qpr have done & the bellamy loan to us!if we are promoted as a result of qpr be docked pointss i will celebrate just as much!

Re: LET US ALL REMEMBER

Sun May 01, 2011 5:41 pm

carlccfc wrote:That throughout all this talk of QPR and cheating etc.

Remember how many clubs were gunning for us when we signed Craig Bellamy.

We do not pay anywhere near a percentage of his wages before it is deemed morally correct and I am certain that the rules regarding loan signings will change this Summer as a result.

I am not saying that we have cheated in any way but are we right to take the moral high ground when, let's be honest, we would be going mental if another club had done what we have done throughout this season.

Yes QPR may have broken rules but they were broken in August 2009, not this season and as far as I am concerned they are worthy Champions and if we are to gain promotion automatically then I hope we do it on merit.

I am not saying I would take promotion via default but I certainly would not celebrate it and I think that way of promotion would cause problems amongst City fans as those who want DJ out would claim he has ultimately failed and he only got up by default.



Regardless of the loan situation carl we have not boken any rules whatsoever here and the club had to prove in effect that vincent tan was footing the bill before the league would sanction craig playing for us.
also with regards to loans i dont remember any objections from anybody when tony pulis took stoke to the premiership with a raft of loan players.
I also believe if our club was in qpr's position you would have had a couple of thousand extra posters on here by now screaming for our relegation or expulsion from the league etc.

Re: LET US ALL REMEMBER

Sun May 01, 2011 5:42 pm

carlccfc wrote:That throughout all this talk of QPR and cheating etc.

Remember how many clubs were gunning for us when we signed Craig Bellamy.

We do not pay anywhere near a percentage of his wages before it is deemed morally correct and I am certain that the rules regarding loan signings will change this Summer as a result.

I am not saying that we have cheated in any way but are we right to take the moral high ground when, let's be honest, we would be going mental if another club had done what we have done throughout this season.

Yes QPR may have broken rules but they were broken in August 2009, not this season and as far as I am concerned they are worthy Champions and if we are to gain promotion automatically then I hope we do it on merit.

I am not saying I would take promotion via default but I certainly would not celebrate it and I think that way of promotion would cause problems amongst City fans as those who want DJ out would claim he has ultimately failed and he only got up by default.

The Club and Club Official Gianni Paladini are also charged in respect of allegedly false information contained in documents submitted to The FA in relation to the same player signing an extension to his playing contract with the Club in October 2010. These charges are brought under the Players Agents Regulations, C2, and FA Rule E3.‬

Re: LET US ALL REMEMBER

Sun May 01, 2011 5:46 pm

Carl I am sure one of the charges against Qpr are is that they falsified documents this season, if they are found guilty I will feel sorry for their manager players and their fans but the rules were in place and they will have to pay the penalty just like Luton ,Swindon Leeds and other sides that have had points deductions including Hereford this season, and like you pointed out we didn't break any rules signing Bellamy so I can't see any connection.

Re: LET US ALL REMEMBER

Sun May 01, 2011 5:52 pm

carlccfc wrote:That throughout all this talk of QPR and cheating etc.

Remember how many clubs were gunning for us when we signed Craig Bellamy.

We do not pay anywhere near a percentage of his wages before it is deemed morally correct and I am certain that the rules regarding loan signings will change this Summer as a result.

I am not saying that we have cheated in any way but are we right to take the moral high ground when, let's be honest, we would be going mental if another club had done what we have done throughout this season.

Yes QPR may have broken rules but they were broken in August 2009, not this season and as far as I am concerned they are worthy Champions and if we are to gain promotion automatically then I hope we do it on merit.

I am not saying I would take promotion via default but I certainly would not celebrate it and I think that way of promotion would cause problems amongst City fans as those who want DJ out would claim he has ultimately failed and he only got up by default.


So lets just assume that QPR signed a player in 2009, for £3.5 million, and that player being a very talented player would have been touted to Premier clubs and top championship clubs, and lets assume, that no Premier clubs wanted to sign him for what reason? lets assume because, he had third party ownership attached to his contract, and therefore no club wanted to break the rules in place. Lets assume QPR were willing to flaunt those rules. Lets state as fact that with the aid of that player, who by the way was voted their player of the year in 2009, QPR stayed in the division by 1 point and therefore consigned a great club like Sheffield Wednesday to the third tier of football. Just how would you feel as an Owls fan now or in a weeks time, knowing that your club were relegated when another prospered and indeed 12 months later were promoted to the highest division. If found guilty, I hope QPR not only have promotion taken away from them, but are demoted and Sheff Weds take their place.

Re: LET US ALL REMEMBER

Sun May 01, 2011 5:54 pm

Mogs wrote:we have done nothing wrong,we have abided by the rules,qpr havent so if they get docked points so be it,i fail to see any comparision to what qpr have done & the bellamy loan to us!if we are promoted as a result of qpr be docked pointss i will celebrate just as much!


EXACTLY!

I dont see any comparison either - as we didn't break any rules regarding bringing Bellamy in! The wages is something sorted between both clubs. Man City were obviously happy with the arrangement to let it go through.

This also draws unnecessary attention to our club, when it is already done and dusted months ago!!

We are paying over a 3rd of Bellamy's wages, and as i understand it - if we are promoted, then we have to pay the Full amount of what Man City have already payed back to them on completion of promotion?

Re: LET US ALL REMEMBER

Sun May 01, 2011 5:55 pm

I would feel sorry for the QPR fans but if it was Cardiff NO-ONE would give a f--k

Re: LET US ALL REMEMBER

Sun May 01, 2011 5:58 pm

I would celebrate just as much. I care for one team and one team only CARDIFF CITY.
We have to remember that most people hate us and dont even want us in the premier league so if we go up by default then i will have my moment thats been brewing for decades regardless of how we do it :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: LET US ALL REMEMBER

Sun May 01, 2011 6:00 pm

To me they are not the same at all and I think Steve Davies put it the best above.
We broke no rules and if as it seems QPR have then they will rightly be punished. I do feel for the QPR fans (well some) who through no fault of there own may see a promotion disappear but those are the rules and they should not be broken.

In saying that I am still very confident Norwich will drop points, I just hope we can win our two games.

Re: LET US ALL REMEMBER

Sun May 01, 2011 6:01 pm

carlccfc wrote:That throughout all this talk of QPR and cheating etc.

Remember how many clubs were gunning for us when we signed Craig Bellamy.

We do not pay anywhere near a percentage of his wages before it is deemed morally correct and I am certain that the rules regarding loan signings will change this Summer as a result.

I am not saying that we have cheated in any way but are we right to take the moral high ground when, let's be honest, we would be going mental if another club had done what we have done throughout this season.

Yes QPR may have broken rules but they were broken in August 2009, not this season and as far as I am concerned they are worthy Champions and if we are to gain promotion automatically then I hope we do it on merit.

I am not saying I would take promotion via default but I certainly would not celebrate it and I think that way of promotion would cause problems amongst City fans as those who want DJ out would claim he has ultimately failed and he only got up by default.


Bad post Carl.

Lets keep it simple. We are not broken any rules, QPR if found guilty will have.

I will only feel sorry for their fans if they are found guilty as they are the ones who have spent their hard earned money following their club only to be let down by the owners.

Re: LET US ALL REMEMBER

Sun May 01, 2011 6:02 pm

Carl I may be wrong but I thought I could remember you saying in one of your posts/updates that if we got promoted then it was agreed with Man City that we would have to pay them all of the share of Bellamy's wages that they have been paying this season. In which case we will, admittedly after the event, have paid the whole of Bellamy,s £90,000 per week wages so what's the problem? If we don't go up then we haven't gained any advantage either.

Re: LET US ALL REMEMBER

Sun May 01, 2011 6:08 pm

we have broken no rules,if we have then we would be punished QPR have maybe broken rules (nothing is confirmed yet) if we go into the automatic spots because of their deduction so be it.Does it matter if we went there because someone else slipped up ? Does it say in the fixture card next to Cardiff City FC - shouldn't be here because they went up on QPR's merit? No your in the Prem because you were in the top two or won the play-offs.Let others moan are we really going to listen to sore losers when we are in the richest league in the world?

Re: LET US ALL REMEMBER

Sun May 01, 2011 6:09 pm

carlccfc wrote:That throughout all this talk of QPR and cheating etc.

Remember how many clubs were gunning for us when we signed Craig Bellamy.

We do not pay anywhere near a percentage of his wages before it is deemed morally correct and I am certain that the rules regarding loan signings will change this Summer as a result.

I am not saying that we have cheated in any way but are we right to take the moral high ground when, let's be honest, we would be going mental if another club had done what we have done throughout this season.

Yes QPR may have broken rules but they were broken in August 2009, not this season and as far as I am concerned they are worthy Champions and if we are to gain promotion automatically then I hope we do it on merit.

I am not saying I would take promotion via default but I certainly would not celebrate it and I think that way of promotion would cause problems amongst City fans as those who want DJ out would claim he has ultimately failed and he only got up by default.



I am very surprised at this post Carl and whilst I always respect opinions that are different to mine I think you are most definately wrong on a few points here.

Firstly as a club we have done absolutely nothing wrong with the terms of the Craig Bellamy every detail of that loan was checked over by the FL prior to the transfer being approved so we have absolutely nothing to reproach ourselves over nothing. Football is a dog eat dog business and if any other club in the Championship could have done this deal they would of make absolutely no mistake about that.

As for rules being changed to prevent such a loan happening again well I hope the amendment to rules application has been put in because it is now to late to submit rules changes to be ratified by the FL AGM in June.

The other part where I think you are so wrong in your opinion is that QPR have very much been charged with infringement of FA regulations this season, I accept a lot of the charges relate to event around the time of signing the player in July 2009 but I thought you would have known that it is not uncommen for the FA to backdate charges against a club. Luton Town for instance were charged with alledged infringments of FA regulations regarding unlicensed agents and improper payments to agent between July 2004 and February 2007. Luton eventually lost their FL status as a result of point deductions from both the FA and FL and as I believe each and every club involved in the FL or FA competitions has an absolute responsibility to act AT ALL TIMES WITH THE RULES AND REGULATIONS I have no sympathy for clubs who are foundto have breached them.

It may be that I spent over 20 years in football administration but I passiontately believe in the integrity of the sport we all love and the competitions our club takes part in. I can tell you this IF we messed up our last 2 games and the Jacks finished ahead of us and get promoted because QPR have points deducted I would say well done to them because having played within the rules and regulations and IMO will be promoted on merit, if QPR are found guilty any merit they have earned on the pitch is totally devalued by their behaviour off it.

Remember they are charged deliberately submitting false documentation to the FA Investigation department in September 2010 in my opinion any club found guilty of that has lost all respect for the National Association and the competitions it takes part in and I hope the FA absolutely throw the book at them.

If that charge is proven during the IRC of course. :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Not a personal dig Carl I think you are a top poster on this board but please please think again on this point THE INTEGRITY OF THE GAME AND IT'S COMPETITIONS MUST COME BEFORE ALL ELSE. :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Re: LET US ALL REMEMBER

Sun May 01, 2011 6:13 pm

castleblue wrote:
carlccfc wrote:That throughout all this talk of QPR and cheating etc.

Remember how many clubs were gunning for us when we signed Craig Bellamy.

We do not pay anywhere near a percentage of his wages before it is deemed morally correct and I am certain that the rules regarding loan signings will change this Summer as a result.

I am not saying that we have cheated in any way but are we right to take the moral high ground when, let's be honest, we would be going mental if another club had done what we have done throughout this season.

Yes QPR may have broken rules but they were broken in August 2009, not this season and as far as I am concerned they are worthy Champions and if we are to gain promotion automatically then I hope we do it on merit.

I am not saying I would take promotion via default but I certainly would not celebrate it and I think that way of promotion would cause problems amongst City fans as those who want DJ out would claim he has ultimately failed and he only got up by default.



I am very surprised at this post Carl and whilst I always respect opinions that are different to mine I think you are most definately wrong on a few points here.

Firstly as a club we have done absolutely nothing wrong with the terms of the Craig Bellamy every detail of that loan was checked over by the FL prior to the transfer being approved so we have absolutely nothing to reproach ourselves over nothing. Football is a dog eat dog business and if any other club in the Championship could have done this deal they would of make absolutely no mistake about that.

As for rules being changed to prevent such a loan happening again well I hope the amendment to rules application has been put in because it is now to late to submit rules changes to be ratified by the FL AGM in June.

The other part where I think you are so wrong in your opinion is that QPR have very much been charged with infringement of FA regulations this season, I accept a lot of the charges relate to event around the time of signing the player in July 2009 but I thought you would have known that it is not uncommen for the FA to backdate charges against a club. Luton Town for instance were charged with alledged infringments of FA regulations regarding unlicensed agents and improper payments to agent between July 2004 and February 2007. Luton eventually lost their FL status as a result of point deductions from both the FA and FL and as I believe each and every club involved in the FL or FA competitions has an absolute responsibility to act AT ALL TIMES WITH THE RULES AND REGULATIONS I have no sympathy for clubs who are foundto have breached them.

It may be that I spent over 20 years in football administration but I passiontately believe in the integrity of the sport we all love and the competitions our club takes part in. I can tell you this IF we messed up our last 2 games and the Jacks finished ahead of us and get promoted because QPR have points deducted I would say well done to them because having played within the rules and regulations and IMO will be promoted on merit, if QPR are found guilty any merit they have earned on the pitch is totally devalued by their behaviour off it.

Remember they are charged deliberately submitting false documentation to the FA Investigation department in September 2010 in my opinion any club found guilty of that has lost all respect for the National Association and the competitions it takes part in and I hope the FA absolutely throw the book at them.

If that charge is proven during the IRC of course. :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Not a personal dig Carl I think you are a top poster on this board but please please think again on this point THE INTEGRITY OF THE GAME AND IT'S COMPETITIONS MUST COME BEFORE ALL ELSE. :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


excellent post and put across superbly :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

i think i love you :oops: :o :o :o

Re: LET US ALL REMEMBER

Sun May 01, 2011 6:17 pm

If we lose tomorrow and norwich win,we're out of the automatic promotion places!I've always felt the FA dont want a welsh club,alone a possible 2 welsh clubs in the premiership.If thats the case,if qpr are proven guilty as charged my thinking is they'll be given a small deduction in points and a massive fine :roll:

Re: LET US ALL REMEMBER

Sun May 01, 2011 6:18 pm

IsThatUJohnWayne wrote:
castleblue wrote:
carlccfc wrote:That throughout all this talk of QPR and cheating etc.

Remember how many clubs were gunning for us when we signed Craig Bellamy.

We do not pay anywhere near a percentage of his wages before it is deemed morally correct and I am certain that the rules regarding loan signings will change this Summer as a result.

I am not saying that we have cheated in any way but are we right to take the moral high ground when, let's be honest, we would be going mental if another club had done what we have done throughout this season.

Yes QPR may have broken rules but they were broken in August 2009, not this season and as far as I am concerned they are worthy Champions and if we are to gain promotion automatically then I hope we do it on merit.

I am not saying I would take promotion via default but I certainly would not celebrate it and I think that way of promotion would cause problems amongst City fans as those who want DJ out would claim he has ultimately failed and he only got up by default.



I am very surprised at this post Carl and whilst I always respect opinions that are different to mine I think you are most definately wrong on a few points here.

Firstly as a club we have done absolutely nothing wrong with the terms of the Craig Bellamy every detail of that loan was checked over by the FL prior to the transfer being approved so we have absolutely nothing to reproach ourselves over nothing. Football is a dog eat dog business and if any other club in the Championship could have done this deal they would of make absolutely no mistake about that.

As for rules being changed to prevent such a loan happening again well I hope the amendment to rules application has been put in because it is now to late to submit rules changes to be ratified by the FL AGM in June.

The other part where I think you are so wrong in your opinion is that QPR have very much been charged with infringement of FA regulations this season, I accept a lot of the charges relate to event around the time of signing the player in July 2009 but I thought you would have known that it is not uncommen for the FA to backdate charges against a club. Luton Town for instance were charged with alledged infringments of FA regulations regarding unlicensed agents and improper payments to agent between July 2004 and February 2007. Luton eventually lost their FL status as a result of point deductions from both the FA and FL and as I believe each and every club involved in the FL or FA competitions has an absolute responsibility to act AT ALL TIMES WITH THE RULES AND REGULATIONS I have no sympathy for clubs who are foundto have breached them.

It may be that I spent over 20 years in football administration but I passiontately believe in the integrity of the sport we all love and the competitions our club takes part in. I can tell you this IF we messed up our last 2 games and the Jacks finished ahead of us and get promoted because QPR have points deducted I would say well done to them because having played within the rules and regulations and IMO will be promoted on merit, if QPR are found guilty any merit they have earned on the pitch is totally devalued by their behaviour off it.

Remember they are charged deliberately submitting false documentation to the FA Investigation department in September 2010 in my opinion any club found guilty of that has lost all respect for the National Association and the competitions it takes part in and I hope the FA absolutely throw the book at them.

If that charge is proven during the IRC of course. :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

Not a personal dig Carl I think you are a top poster on this board but please please think again on this point THE INTEGRITY OF THE GAME AND IT'S COMPETITIONS MUST COME BEFORE ALL ELSE. :ayatollah: :ayatollah:


excellent post and put across superbly :ayatollah: :ayatollah:

i think i love you :oops: :o :o :o


In all fairness, Castleblue is a great poster who has experience, so his posts always come across well. The views are not biassed, and do not accuse. They are put across well, and leave for an open mind to make your own opinions and decisions. Cheers castle again for a good post! :ayatollah:

Re: LET US ALL REMEMBER

Sun May 01, 2011 6:20 pm

carlccfc wrote:That throughout all this talk of QPR and cheating etc.

Remember how many clubs were gunning for us when we signed Craig Bellamy.

We do not pay anywhere near a percentage of his wages before it is deemed morally correct and I am certain that the rules regarding loan signings will change this Summer as a result.

I am not saying that we have cheated in any way but are we right to take the moral high ground when, let's be honest, we would be going mental if another club had done what we have done throughout this season.

Yes QPR may have broken rules but they were broken in August 2009, not this season and as far as I am concerned they are worthy Champions and if we are to gain promotion automatically then I hope we do it on merit.

I am not saying I would take promotion via default but I certainly would not celebrate it and I think that way of promotion would cause problems amongst City fans as those who want DJ out would claim he has ultimately failed and he only got up by default.


I have to agree with Baked and Steve Davies Carl, the above post is not your finest hour.

I don't know how this has happened but the QPR debate has been turned on its head somehow and it almost feels as though Cardiff City were the ones in the dock for doing wrong, but unfairly got away with it. That's absolute poppy cock it's QPR who are accused of breaking the rules, but their fans seem to think they are too big (due to having Billionaire owners) to face justice and can use lawyers to bully a favourable result.

I am now becoming shocked at the level of undeserved sympathy they are getting.

As for Dave Jones if we do go up by default then that would confirm what I have always suspected; he has a massive lucky streak which is his one and only unique management quality.

Re: LET US ALL REMEMBER

Sun May 01, 2011 6:25 pm

Mogs wrote:we have done nothing wrong,we have abided by the rules,qpr havent so if they get docked points so be it,i fail to see any comparision to what qpr have done & the bellamy loan to us!if we are promoted as a result of qpr be docked pointss i will celebrate just as much!


Agree with you buddy. If QPR did wrong they should be punished. The Bellamy situation is completely LEGAL. The outrage in the media wouldn't have been half as furious if he'd gone to QPR or Forest, it was largely a WELSH thing.....and EVERY club in the Championsip would have signed Bellamy if they had the chance but he only wanted to come to CARDIFF CITY :ayatollah:

Re: LET US ALL REMEMBER

Sun May 01, 2011 6:27 pm

IsThatUJohnWayne wrote:assuming QPR are guilty then they deserve everything they get as they broke the rules that were set in stone.....we signed bellamy and broke no rules whatsoever and all the clubs were going mad! At the end of the day if we had gone into admin we would have been deducted the 20 points as they are the rules! would we be getting sympathetic views from other clubs....would we f**k! f**k QPR if they are guilty. If we can't overhaul norwich on our own and we do get promoted because qpr are deducted points i will be celebrating just as much. "IF YOU CAN'T DO THE TIME, DON'T DO THE CRIME"

To be honest I couldn't celebrate it like I would if we won automatic on merit.

Re: LET US ALL REMEMBER

Sun May 01, 2011 6:28 pm

carlccfc wrote:That throughout all this talk of QPR and cheating etc.

Remember how many clubs were gunning for us when we signed Craig Bellamy.

We do not pay anywhere near a percentage of his wages before it is deemed morally correct and I am certain that the rules regarding loan signings will change this Summer as a result.

I am not saying that we have cheated in any way but are we right to take the moral high ground when, let's be honest, we would be going mental if another club had done what we have done throughout this season. (I wouldn't care as long as they abide by the rules? there are many players in this division that are already at Bellamy's standard - he is by no means a million miles better than everyone in the division? )

Yes QPR may have broken rules but they were broken in August 2009, not this season (they broke rules during this season) and as far as I am concerned they are worthy Champions and if we are to gain promotion automatically then I hope we do it on merit.

I am not saying I would take promotion via default but I certainly would not celebrate it (?????) and I think that way of promotion would cause problems amongst City fans as those who want DJ out would claim he has ultimately failed and he only got up by default.


I still cant understand why you posted this Carl. Are you sure someone else doesn't have your password! :|

Re: LET US ALL REMEMBER

Sun May 01, 2011 6:30 pm

carlccfc wrote:That throughout all this talk of QPR and cheating etc.

Remember how many clubs were gunning for us when we signed Craig Bellamy.

We do not pay anywhere near a percentage of his wages before it is deemed morally correct and I am certain that the rules regarding loan signings will change this Summer as a result.

I am not saying that we have cheated in any way but are we right to take the moral high ground when, let's be honest, we would be going mental if another club had done what we have done throughout this season.

Yes QPR may have broken rules but they were broken in August 2009, not this season and as far as I am concerned they are worthy Champions and if we are to gain promotion automatically then I hope we do it on merit.

I am not saying I would take promotion via default but I certainly would not celebrate it and I think that way of promotion would cause problems amongst City fans as those who want DJ out would claim he has ultimately failed and he only got up by default.


why all this qpr love in? like you say qpr may have broken some rules so if found guilty they need a big punishment.
what is next on here christ we will be asked to sign a save qpr's promotion petition which will be sent to the FA courtesy of a cardiff city messageboard :roll:
i remember all the crap we had with bellamy but we didnt break no rules and still 99% of fans wanted us banished from the leagues etc.. balls to qpr and its horrid fans. if it was us they woudnt give the nicey nicey stuff that some on here are giving.
i dont care how cardiff city are promoted be it at qpr's expence with points deducted or 2nd place. if qpr arnt given points and we are 3rd i want cardiff city to sue the asses off them and anyone else for millions/

Re: LET US ALL REMEMBER

Sun May 01, 2011 6:31 pm

carlccfc wrote:That throughout all this talk of QPR and cheating etc.

Remember how many clubs were gunning for us when we signed Craig Bellamy.

We do not pay anywhere near a percentage of his wages before it is deemed morally correct and I am certain that the rules regarding loan signings will change this Summer as a result.

I am not saying that we have cheated in any way but are we right to take the moral high ground when, let's be honest, we would be going mental if another club had done what we have done throughout this season.

Yes QPR may have broken rules but they were broken in August 2009, not this season and as far as I am concerned they are worthy Champions and if we are to gain promotion automatically then I hope we do it on merit.

I am not saying I would take promotion via default but I certainly would not celebrate it and I think that way of promotion would cause problems amongst City fans as those who want DJ out would claim he has ultimately failed and he only got up by default.



Carl. they have also broken the rules this season.

We havent broken any. So the Bellamy thing is irrelevent.

Re: LET US ALL REMEMBER

Sun May 01, 2011 6:31 pm

carlccfc wrote:That throughout all this talk of QPR and cheating etc.

Remember how many clubs were gunning for us when we signed Craig Bellamy.

We do not pay anywhere near a percentage of his wages before it is deemed morally correct and I am certain that the rules regarding loan signings will change this Summer as a result.

I am not saying that we have cheated in any way but are we right to take the moral high ground when, let's be honest, we would be going mental if another club had done what we have done throughout this season.

Yes QPR may have broken rules but they were broken in August 2009, not this season and as far as I am concerned they are worthy Champions and if we are to gain promotion automatically then I hope we do it on merit.

I am not saying I would take promotion via default but I certainly would not celebrate it and I think that way of promotion would cause problems amongst City fans as those who want DJ out would claim he has ultimately failed and he only got up by default.


Some would want him out anyway. Hoops loss of points if any would have no bearing on DJ just on the club.
Guilty and they deserve to be punished.
Not Guilty and they are champions on merit.
Not sure of your take on the charges but they differ from mine and if guilty they cheated. As for our CB deal got nothing at all to do with anyone other than the two clubs and the player. For years clubs have loaned players out and as parent club paid all their wages so why should the rules change now. I think its you are taking the moral high ground in your defence of the Hoops. After all are there not many English Clubs supporters telling us each week that we are not wanted in the League.
We should embrace promotion what ever way it comes providing its within the rules. Unlike the hoops if GUILTY.????

Re: LET US ALL REMEMBER

Sun May 01, 2011 6:31 pm

Merlin wrote:
Mogs wrote:we have done nothing wrong,we have abided by the rules,qpr havent so if they get docked points so be it,i fail to see any comparision to what qpr have done & the bellamy loan to us!if we are promoted as a result of qpr be docked pointss i will celebrate just as much!


EXACTLY!

I dont see any comparison either - as we didn't break any rules regarding bringing Bellamy in! The wages is something sorted between both clubs. Man City were obviously happy with the arrangement to let it go through.

This also draws unnecessary attention to our club, when it is already done and dusted months ago!!

We are paying over a 3rd of Bellamy's wages, and as i understand it - if we are promoted, then we have to pay the Full amount of what Man City have already payed back to them on completion of promotion?

Craig your understanding that we pay over a 3rd of Bellamy's wages is wrong but that is not the point of the post I am just stating that we have morally not done right and I expect the rules to change BECAUSE of what we have done.

I am not having a go at our club or it's policy I was the same as anyone else who was ecstatic when we signed him, but the point is that many are the high horse I am just stating that we are not whiter than white.