Sun May 01, 2011 5:10 pm
Sun May 01, 2011 5:18 pm
carlccfc wrote:That throughout all this talk of QPR and cheating etc.
Remember how many clubs were gunning for us when we signed Craig Bellamy.
We do not pay anywhere near a percentage of his wages before it is deemed morally correct and I am certain that the rules regarding loan signings will change this Summer as a result.
I am not saying that we have cheated in any way but are we right to take the moral high ground when, let's be honest, we would be going mental if another club had done what we have done throughout this season.
Yes QPR may have broken rules but they were broken in August 2009, not this season and as far as I am concerned they are worthy Champions and if we are to gain promotion automatically then I hope we do it on merit.
I am not saying I would take promotion via default but I certainly would not celebrate it and I think that way of promotion would cause problems amongst City fans as those who want DJ out would claim he has ultimately failed and he only got up by default.
Sun May 01, 2011 5:24 pm
carlccfc wrote:That throughout all this talk of QPR and cheating etc.
Remember how many clubs were gunning for us when we signed Craig Bellamy.
We do not pay anywhere near a percentage of his wages before it is deemed morally correct and I am certain that the rules regarding loan signings will change this Summer as a result.
I am not saying that we have cheated in any way but are we right to take the moral high ground when, let's be honest, we would be going mental if another club had done what we have done throughout this season.
Yes QPR may have broken rules but they were broken in August 2009, not this season and as far as I am concerned they are worthy Champions and if we are to gain promotion automatically then I hope we do it on merit.
I am not saying I would take promotion via default but I certainly would not celebrate it and I think that way of promotion would cause problems amongst City fans as those who want DJ out would claim he has ultimately failed and he only got up by default.
Sun May 01, 2011 5:28 pm
Sun May 01, 2011 5:33 pm
carlccfc wrote:That throughout all this talk of QPR and cheating etc.
Remember how many clubs were gunning for us when we signed Craig Bellamy.
We do not pay anywhere near a percentage of his wages before it is deemed morally correct and I am certain that the rules regarding loan signings will change this Summer as a result.
I am not saying that we have cheated in any way but are we right to take the moral high ground when, let's be honest, we would be going mental if another club had done what we have done throughout this season.
Yes QPR may have broken rules but they were broken in August 2009, not this season and as far as I am concerned they are worthy Champions and if we are to gain promotion automatically then I hope we do it on merit.
I am not saying I would take promotion via default but I certainly would not celebrate it and I think that way of promotion would cause problems amongst City fans as those who want DJ out would claim he has ultimately failed and he only got up by default.
Sun May 01, 2011 5:35 pm
carlccfc wrote:That throughout all this talk of QPR and cheating etc.
Remember how many clubs were gunning for us when we signed Craig Bellamy.
We do not pay anywhere near a percentage of his wages before it is deemed morally correct and I am certain that the rules regarding loan signings will change this Summer as a result.
I am not saying that we have cheated in any way but are we right to take the moral high ground when, let's be honest, we would be going mental if another club had done what we have done throughout this season.
Yes QPR may have broken rules but they were broken in August 2009, not this season and as far as I am concerned they are worthy Champions and if we are to gain promotion automatically then I hope we do it on merit.
I am not saying I would take promotion via default but I certainly would not celebrate it and I think that way of promotion would cause problems amongst City fans as those who want DJ out would claim he has ultimately failed and he only got up by default.
Sun May 01, 2011 5:40 pm
Sun May 01, 2011 5:41 pm
carlccfc wrote:That throughout all this talk of QPR and cheating etc.
Remember how many clubs were gunning for us when we signed Craig Bellamy.
We do not pay anywhere near a percentage of his wages before it is deemed morally correct and I am certain that the rules regarding loan signings will change this Summer as a result.
I am not saying that we have cheated in any way but are we right to take the moral high ground when, let's be honest, we would be going mental if another club had done what we have done throughout this season.
Yes QPR may have broken rules but they were broken in August 2009, not this season and as far as I am concerned they are worthy Champions and if we are to gain promotion automatically then I hope we do it on merit.
I am not saying I would take promotion via default but I certainly would not celebrate it and I think that way of promotion would cause problems amongst City fans as those who want DJ out would claim he has ultimately failed and he only got up by default.
Sun May 01, 2011 5:42 pm
carlccfc wrote:That throughout all this talk of QPR and cheating etc.
Remember how many clubs were gunning for us when we signed Craig Bellamy.
We do not pay anywhere near a percentage of his wages before it is deemed morally correct and I am certain that the rules regarding loan signings will change this Summer as a result.
I am not saying that we have cheated in any way but are we right to take the moral high ground when, let's be honest, we would be going mental if another club had done what we have done throughout this season.
Yes QPR may have broken rules but they were broken in August 2009, not this season and as far as I am concerned they are worthy Champions and if we are to gain promotion automatically then I hope we do it on merit.
I am not saying I would take promotion via default but I certainly would not celebrate it and I think that way of promotion would cause problems amongst City fans as those who want DJ out would claim he has ultimately failed and he only got up by default.
Sun May 01, 2011 5:46 pm
Sun May 01, 2011 5:52 pm
carlccfc wrote:That throughout all this talk of QPR and cheating etc.
Remember how many clubs were gunning for us when we signed Craig Bellamy.
We do not pay anywhere near a percentage of his wages before it is deemed morally correct and I am certain that the rules regarding loan signings will change this Summer as a result.
I am not saying that we have cheated in any way but are we right to take the moral high ground when, let's be honest, we would be going mental if another club had done what we have done throughout this season.
Yes QPR may have broken rules but they were broken in August 2009, not this season and as far as I am concerned they are worthy Champions and if we are to gain promotion automatically then I hope we do it on merit.
I am not saying I would take promotion via default but I certainly would not celebrate it and I think that way of promotion would cause problems amongst City fans as those who want DJ out would claim he has ultimately failed and he only got up by default.
Sun May 01, 2011 5:54 pm
Mogs wrote:we have done nothing wrong,we have abided by the rules,qpr havent so if they get docked points so be it,i fail to see any comparision to what qpr have done & the bellamy loan to us!if we are promoted as a result of qpr be docked pointss i will celebrate just as much!
Sun May 01, 2011 5:55 pm
Sun May 01, 2011 5:58 pm
Sun May 01, 2011 6:00 pm
Sun May 01, 2011 6:01 pm
carlccfc wrote:That throughout all this talk of QPR and cheating etc.
Remember how many clubs were gunning for us when we signed Craig Bellamy.
We do not pay anywhere near a percentage of his wages before it is deemed morally correct and I am certain that the rules regarding loan signings will change this Summer as a result.
I am not saying that we have cheated in any way but are we right to take the moral high ground when, let's be honest, we would be going mental if another club had done what we have done throughout this season.
Yes QPR may have broken rules but they were broken in August 2009, not this season and as far as I am concerned they are worthy Champions and if we are to gain promotion automatically then I hope we do it on merit.
I am not saying I would take promotion via default but I certainly would not celebrate it and I think that way of promotion would cause problems amongst City fans as those who want DJ out would claim he has ultimately failed and he only got up by default.
Sun May 01, 2011 6:02 pm
Sun May 01, 2011 6:08 pm
Sun May 01, 2011 6:09 pm
carlccfc wrote:That throughout all this talk of QPR and cheating etc.
Remember how many clubs were gunning for us when we signed Craig Bellamy.
We do not pay anywhere near a percentage of his wages before it is deemed morally correct and I am certain that the rules regarding loan signings will change this Summer as a result.
I am not saying that we have cheated in any way but are we right to take the moral high ground when, let's be honest, we would be going mental if another club had done what we have done throughout this season.
Yes QPR may have broken rules but they were broken in August 2009, not this season and as far as I am concerned they are worthy Champions and if we are to gain promotion automatically then I hope we do it on merit.
I am not saying I would take promotion via default but I certainly would not celebrate it and I think that way of promotion would cause problems amongst City fans as those who want DJ out would claim he has ultimately failed and he only got up by default.
Sun May 01, 2011 6:13 pm
castleblue wrote:carlccfc wrote:That throughout all this talk of QPR and cheating etc.
Remember how many clubs were gunning for us when we signed Craig Bellamy.
We do not pay anywhere near a percentage of his wages before it is deemed morally correct and I am certain that the rules regarding loan signings will change this Summer as a result.
I am not saying that we have cheated in any way but are we right to take the moral high ground when, let's be honest, we would be going mental if another club had done what we have done throughout this season.
Yes QPR may have broken rules but they were broken in August 2009, not this season and as far as I am concerned they are worthy Champions and if we are to gain promotion automatically then I hope we do it on merit.
I am not saying I would take promotion via default but I certainly would not celebrate it and I think that way of promotion would cause problems amongst City fans as those who want DJ out would claim he has ultimately failed and he only got up by default.
I am very surprised at this post Carl and whilst I always respect opinions that are different to mine I think you are most definately wrong on a few points here.
Firstly as a club we have done absolutely nothing wrong with the terms of the Craig Bellamy every detail of that loan was checked over by the FL prior to the transfer being approved so we have absolutely nothing to reproach ourselves over nothing. Football is a dog eat dog business and if any other club in the Championship could have done this deal they would of make absolutely no mistake about that.
As for rules being changed to prevent such a loan happening again well I hope the amendment to rules application has been put in because it is now to late to submit rules changes to be ratified by the FL AGM in June.
The other part where I think you are so wrong in your opinion is that QPR have very much been charged with infringement of FA regulations this season, I accept a lot of the charges relate to event around the time of signing the player in July 2009 but I thought you would have known that it is not uncommen for the FA to backdate charges against a club. Luton Town for instance were charged with alledged infringments of FA regulations regarding unlicensed agents and improper payments to agent between July 2004 and February 2007. Luton eventually lost their FL status as a result of point deductions from both the FA and FL and as I believe each and every club involved in the FL or FA competitions has an absolute responsibility to act AT ALL TIMES WITH THE RULES AND REGULATIONS I have no sympathy for clubs who are foundto have breached them.
It may be that I spent over 20 years in football administration but I passiontately believe in the integrity of the sport we all love and the competitions our club takes part in. I can tell you this IF we messed up our last 2 games and the Jacks finished ahead of us and get promoted because QPR have points deducted I would say well done to them because having played within the rules and regulations and IMO will be promoted on merit, if QPR are found guilty any merit they have earned on the pitch is totally devalued by their behaviour off it.
Remember they are charged deliberately submitting false documentation to the FA Investigation department in September 2010 in my opinion any club found guilty of that has lost all respect for the National Association and the competitions it takes part in and I hope the FA absolutely throw the book at them.
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Not a personal dig Carl I think you are a top poster on this board but please please think again on this point THE INTEGRITY OF THE GAME AND IT'S COMPETITIONS MUST COME BEFORE ALL ELSE.![]()
Sun May 01, 2011 6:17 pm
Sun May 01, 2011 6:18 pm
IsThatUJohnWayne wrote:castleblue wrote:carlccfc wrote:That throughout all this talk of QPR and cheating etc.
Remember how many clubs were gunning for us when we signed Craig Bellamy.
We do not pay anywhere near a percentage of his wages before it is deemed morally correct and I am certain that the rules regarding loan signings will change this Summer as a result.
I am not saying that we have cheated in any way but are we right to take the moral high ground when, let's be honest, we would be going mental if another club had done what we have done throughout this season.
Yes QPR may have broken rules but they were broken in August 2009, not this season and as far as I am concerned they are worthy Champions and if we are to gain promotion automatically then I hope we do it on merit.
I am not saying I would take promotion via default but I certainly would not celebrate it and I think that way of promotion would cause problems amongst City fans as those who want DJ out would claim he has ultimately failed and he only got up by default.
I am very surprised at this post Carl and whilst I always respect opinions that are different to mine I think you are most definately wrong on a few points here.
Firstly as a club we have done absolutely nothing wrong with the terms of the Craig Bellamy every detail of that loan was checked over by the FL prior to the transfer being approved so we have absolutely nothing to reproach ourselves over nothing. Football is a dog eat dog business and if any other club in the Championship could have done this deal they would of make absolutely no mistake about that.
As for rules being changed to prevent such a loan happening again well I hope the amendment to rules application has been put in because it is now to late to submit rules changes to be ratified by the FL AGM in June.
The other part where I think you are so wrong in your opinion is that QPR have very much been charged with infringement of FA regulations this season, I accept a lot of the charges relate to event around the time of signing the player in July 2009 but I thought you would have known that it is not uncommen for the FA to backdate charges against a club. Luton Town for instance were charged with alledged infringments of FA regulations regarding unlicensed agents and improper payments to agent between July 2004 and February 2007. Luton eventually lost their FL status as a result of point deductions from both the FA and FL and as I believe each and every club involved in the FL or FA competitions has an absolute responsibility to act AT ALL TIMES WITH THE RULES AND REGULATIONS I have no sympathy for clubs who are foundto have breached them.
It may be that I spent over 20 years in football administration but I passiontately believe in the integrity of the sport we all love and the competitions our club takes part in. I can tell you this IF we messed up our last 2 games and the Jacks finished ahead of us and get promoted because QPR have points deducted I would say well done to them because having played within the rules and regulations and IMO will be promoted on merit, if QPR are found guilty any merit they have earned on the pitch is totally devalued by their behaviour off it.
Remember they are charged deliberately submitting false documentation to the FA Investigation department in September 2010 in my opinion any club found guilty of that has lost all respect for the National Association and the competitions it takes part in and I hope the FA absolutely throw the book at them.
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Not a personal dig Carl I think you are a top poster on this board but please please think again on this point THE INTEGRITY OF THE GAME AND IT'S COMPETITIONS MUST COME BEFORE ALL ELSE.![]()
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Sun May 01, 2011 6:20 pm
carlccfc wrote:That throughout all this talk of QPR and cheating etc.
Remember how many clubs were gunning for us when we signed Craig Bellamy.
We do not pay anywhere near a percentage of his wages before it is deemed morally correct and I am certain that the rules regarding loan signings will change this Summer as a result.
I am not saying that we have cheated in any way but are we right to take the moral high ground when, let's be honest, we would be going mental if another club had done what we have done throughout this season.
Yes QPR may have broken rules but they were broken in August 2009, not this season and as far as I am concerned they are worthy Champions and if we are to gain promotion automatically then I hope we do it on merit.
I am not saying I would take promotion via default but I certainly would not celebrate it and I think that way of promotion would cause problems amongst City fans as those who want DJ out would claim he has ultimately failed and he only got up by default.
Sun May 01, 2011 6:25 pm
Mogs wrote:we have done nothing wrong,we have abided by the rules,qpr havent so if they get docked points so be it,i fail to see any comparision to what qpr have done & the bellamy loan to us!if we are promoted as a result of qpr be docked pointss i will celebrate just as much!
Sun May 01, 2011 6:27 pm
IsThatUJohnWayne wrote:assuming QPR are guilty then they deserve everything they get as they broke the rules that were set in stone.....we signed bellamy and broke no rules whatsoever and all the clubs were going mad! At the end of the day if we had gone into admin we would have been deducted the 20 points as they are the rules! would we be getting sympathetic views from other clubs....would we f**k! f**k QPR if they are guilty. If we can't overhaul norwich on our own and we do get promoted because qpr are deducted points i will be celebrating just as much. "IF YOU CAN'T DO THE TIME, DON'T DO THE CRIME"
Sun May 01, 2011 6:28 pm
carlccfc wrote:That throughout all this talk of QPR and cheating etc.
Remember how many clubs were gunning for us when we signed Craig Bellamy.
We do not pay anywhere near a percentage of his wages before it is deemed morally correct and I am certain that the rules regarding loan signings will change this Summer as a result.
I am not saying that we have cheated in any way but are we right to take the moral high ground when, let's be honest, we would be going mental if another club had done what we have done throughout this season. (I wouldn't care as long as they abide by the rules? there are many players in this division that are already at Bellamy's standard - he is by no means a million miles better than everyone in the division? )
Yes QPR may have broken rules but they were broken in August 2009, not this season (they broke rules during this season) and as far as I am concerned they are worthy Champions and if we are to gain promotion automatically then I hope we do it on merit.
I am not saying I would take promotion via default but I certainly would not celebrate it (?????) and I think that way of promotion would cause problems amongst City fans as those who want DJ out would claim he has ultimately failed and he only got up by default.
Sun May 01, 2011 6:30 pm
carlccfc wrote:That throughout all this talk of QPR and cheating etc.
Remember how many clubs were gunning for us when we signed Craig Bellamy.
We do not pay anywhere near a percentage of his wages before it is deemed morally correct and I am certain that the rules regarding loan signings will change this Summer as a result.
I am not saying that we have cheated in any way but are we right to take the moral high ground when, let's be honest, we would be going mental if another club had done what we have done throughout this season.
Yes QPR may have broken rules but they were broken in August 2009, not this season and as far as I am concerned they are worthy Champions and if we are to gain promotion automatically then I hope we do it on merit.
I am not saying I would take promotion via default but I certainly would not celebrate it and I think that way of promotion would cause problems amongst City fans as those who want DJ out would claim he has ultimately failed and he only got up by default.
Sun May 01, 2011 6:31 pm
carlccfc wrote:That throughout all this talk of QPR and cheating etc.
Remember how many clubs were gunning for us when we signed Craig Bellamy.
We do not pay anywhere near a percentage of his wages before it is deemed morally correct and I am certain that the rules regarding loan signings will change this Summer as a result.
I am not saying that we have cheated in any way but are we right to take the moral high ground when, let's be honest, we would be going mental if another club had done what we have done throughout this season.
Yes QPR may have broken rules but they were broken in August 2009, not this season and as far as I am concerned they are worthy Champions and if we are to gain promotion automatically then I hope we do it on merit.
I am not saying I would take promotion via default but I certainly would not celebrate it and I think that way of promotion would cause problems amongst City fans as those who want DJ out would claim he has ultimately failed and he only got up by default.
Sun May 01, 2011 6:31 pm
carlccfc wrote:That throughout all this talk of QPR and cheating etc.
Remember how many clubs were gunning for us when we signed Craig Bellamy.
We do not pay anywhere near a percentage of his wages before it is deemed morally correct and I am certain that the rules regarding loan signings will change this Summer as a result.
I am not saying that we have cheated in any way but are we right to take the moral high ground when, let's be honest, we would be going mental if another club had done what we have done throughout this season.
Yes QPR may have broken rules but they were broken in August 2009, not this season and as far as I am concerned they are worthy Champions and if we are to gain promotion automatically then I hope we do it on merit.
I am not saying I would take promotion via default but I certainly would not celebrate it and I think that way of promotion would cause problems amongst City fans as those who want DJ out would claim he has ultimately failed and he only got up by default.
Sun May 01, 2011 6:31 pm
Merlin wrote:Mogs wrote:we have done nothing wrong,we have abided by the rules,qpr havent so if they get docked points so be it,i fail to see any comparision to what qpr have done & the bellamy loan to us!if we are promoted as a result of qpr be docked pointss i will celebrate just as much!
EXACTLY!
I dont see any comparison either - as we didn't break any rules regarding bringing Bellamy in! The wages is something sorted between both clubs. Man City were obviously happy with the arrangement to let it go through.
This also draws unnecessary attention to our club, when it is already done and dusted months ago!!
We are paying over a 3rd of Bellamy's wages, and as i understand it - if we are promoted, then we have to pay the Full amount of what Man City have already payed back to them on completion of promotion?