A QUESTION FOR YOU STAN

In your opinion as a fan, and seeing as you think QPR are going to get a fine, I would like to ask you exactly what you think QPR are going to be fined for?

Is the fine you speak of relating to a particular charge(s)?

Thanks.

Good question.

Stan, over to you.

Stan?


Sssshhhhhhhhhh.

Maybe he thinks theyre being fined for the pointless pitch invasion.

i hope we aint gonna turn on stan just because he got his views on qpr,if it was on the other foot,we would be doing the same about our club!I dont really understand these rules n regulations from the FA,so i'm gonna wait till the FA gives their verdict on the 6th may.Play nice

Stan !!

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You are going up no doubt. Then again I am thinking sod Norwich were going to score enough to settle the goal diff and your going to lose both those games!! Then after the defo points deduction you will finish below the gay boys!!

Ta ra!!

Banter though yeh?

Don't go being all harsh with me stany boy!!!

Stan !!

Must be doing his research give him time!! I am sure he will be with us soon!

Biting like a jack biting a soft area to sleep on!!

STANLEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!

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Have you seen my mate Stanley??

i hope we aint gonna turn on stan just because he got his views on qpr,if it was on the other foot,we would be doing the same about our club!I dont really understand these rules n regulations from the FA,so i'm gonna wait till the FA gives their verdict on the 6th may.Play nice

I think it's a bit mellodramatic to suggest that people are "turning on Stan". we are all understandably raising questions on a topic that could be of huge significance to our club. Stan is coming onto OUR message board and understandably defending his clubs position in all this. If the shoe is on the other foot, I don't think many other clubs message board contributors would even grace a cardiff supporter in the same position with any respect and he would just end up being called the usual sheepshagger and told to f*ck off.

i hope we aint gonna turn on stan just because he got his views on qpr,if it was on the other foot,we would be doing the same about our club!I dont really understand these rules n regulations from the FA,so i'm gonna wait till the FA gives their verdict on the 6th may.Play nice

I think it's a bit mellodramatic to suggest that people are "turning on Stan". we are all understandably raising questions on a topic that could be of huge significance to our club. Stan is coming onto OUR message board and understandably defending his clubs position in all this. If the shoe is on the other foot, I don't think many other clubs message board contributors would even grace a cardiff supporter in the same position with any respect and he would just end up being called the usual sheepshagger and told to f*ck off.

Hang on a second, for me this is just banter! Deep down I know and most others will know there will not be any points deduction. Even if there is a points deduction it won't be for this season it will be next season!

From what I hear it will be a fine!

However I for one would like to continue with this "banter" as it keeps my mind off the 2 biggest games in my whole 20 years supporting the mighty city!!

I would rather think we can Go up on our in merit rather than reli on anyone else cheating!!!
Would not feel right if we went up through a qpr points deduction!!

But in the mean time let's have some fun and banter nothing personal!!

TBH Stan has made his view clear and he is definately sticking to it.

I'm still not fully convinced one way or the other, but I am leaning more towards thinking they will get a points deduction along with the nailed on fine.

i hope we aint gonna turn on stan just because he got his views on qpr,if it was on the other foot,we would be doing the same about our club!I dont really understand these rules n regulations from the FA,so i'm gonna wait till the FA gives their verdict on the 6th may.Play nice

I think it's a bit mellodramatic to suggest that people are "turning on Stan". we are all understandably raising questions on a topic that could be of huge significance to our club. Stan is coming onto OUR message board and understandably defending his clubs position in all this. If the shoe is on the other foot, I don't think many other clubs message board contributors would even grace a cardiff supporter in the same position with any respect and he would just end up being called the usual sheepshagger and told to f*ck off.

Hang on a second, for me this is just banter! Deep down I know and most others will know there will not be any points deduction. Even if there is a points deduction it won't be for this season it will be next season!

From what I hear it will be a fine! - and where did you hear such a thing? the hearing is on 3rd May...

However I for one would like to continue with this "banter" as it keeps my mind off the 2 biggest games in my whole 20 years supporting the mighty city!!

I would rather think we can Go up on our in merit rather than rely on anyone else cheating!!! - we will if we finish 1st, 2nd or 3rd for that matter, as we wouldnt have broken any rules.....

Would not feel right if we went up through a qpr points deduction!! - why?

But in the mean time let's have some fun and banter nothing personal!!

This is clearly a serious question!

With regards to a few points you've raised - we will go up on our own merit by finishing 2nd! (which is achievable)

It is not banter regarding it is obviously going to be a fine!!

Have you not seen the seven charges QPR have been accused of by the FA?

Nobody is turning on Stan, he is a good poster

But you too are falling into the same trap as Stan? - you think there will be a fine but you have no evidence to back up that a fine is the suggested punishment? With the 7 charges in question, and in the likes of probability that have already been mentioned, a points deduction of however many, seems the only likely outcome in my opinion....

So once again - I ask Stan and anyone else - why and what are QPR receiving a fine for?

Thanks.

I think we will get a fine because of the following reasons;

We have been found guilty of absolutely NOTHING & I anticipate the tribunal will acknowledge no intent was made to deceive.

We have some of the most powerful people in the world of sport as our owners / backers

The media has not even given the story more than a column inch since the story broke except for the Sunday People who just re hashed 2 month old news, no quotes, no scoop, no evidence nothing.

Sky Sports & BBC 2 of the planets biggest & most successful corporations have both been quoted by they're employees as saying QPR will only get a fine, even up till the televised game at the CCS the same thing was being said.

I trust people I know who have repeated the same to me.

The FA has never once pushed for a points deduction & I'm pretty sure the tribunal are aware of this.

Since the story broke neither the FA nor QPR has made a statement yet plenty of people have made they're own mind up already.


Those are my reasons. Whether you agree or not that's fine everyone has an opinion and those are mine.

Nothing at all not a thing have I seen from a CREDIBLE source indicating a points deduction.

I thank you.

This is clearly a serious question!

With regards to a few points you've raised - we will go up on our own merit by finishing 2nd! (which is achievable)

It is not banter regarding it is obviously going to be a fine!!

Have you not seen the seven charges QPR have been accused of by the FA?

Nobody is turning on Stan, he is a good poster

But you too are falling into the same trap as Stan? - you think there will be a fine but you have no evidence to back up that a fine is the suggested punishment? With the 7 charges in question, and in the likes of probability that have already been mentioned, a points deduction of however many, seems the only likely outcome in my opinion....

So once again - I ask Stan and anyone else - why and what are QPR receiving a fine for?

Thanks.

As far as I know the FA IRC have the discretion to impose whatever punishment they see fit, so in theory QPR could receive a fine for each of the charges they are found guilty of.

I have really enjoyed the debating of this subject over the past few days as it has become clear just how much trouble QPR have caused themselves.

However, the nagging doubt I have is that by imposing a points deduction which will change who gets promoted i.e. swapping either us or Norwich for QPR, would give the FA & FL one massive headache they could probably do without.

From their perspective it might be pragmatic to accept QPR’s mitigation it was an honest mistake and fine them heavily (but leaving the door open for the third place club to sue them for compensation), rather than cause themselves a tidal wave of trouble where they are the ones who end up in the dock.

I think we will get a fine because of the following reasons;

We have been found guilty of absolutely NOTHING & I anticipate the tribunal will acknowledge no intent was made to deceive.

We have some of the most powerful people in the world of sport as our owners / backers

The media has not even given the story more than a column inch since the story broke except for the Sunday People who just re hashed 2 month old news, no quotes, no scoop, no evidence nothing.

Sky Sports & BBC 2 of the planets biggest & most successful corporations have both been quoted by they're employees as saying QPR will only get a fine, even up till the televised game at the CCS the same thing was being said.

I trust people I know who have repeated the same to me.

The FA has never once pushed for a points deduction & I'm pretty sure the tribunal are aware of this.

Since the story broke neither the FA nor QPR has made a statement yet plenty of people have made they're own mind up already.


Those are my reasons. Whether you agree or not that's fine everyone has an opinion and those are mine.

Nothing at all not a thing have I seen from a CREDIBLE source indicating a points deduction.

I thank you.

The FA have no decision on the sanctions imposed upon QPR.

And nobody apart from the FA or QPR have seen the written evidence subjecting the club to 7 charges, so you can not even bring outside parties as mentioned above into the equation.... Even Steve Claridge can F**K right off!

But thanks for answering the question Stan. your reply indicates some interesting thought on your part.

Now do the please!

Merlin?

I know what your saying but can't we, for once focus on the next 2 games?

It's going to be so thrilling! There will we so many twists and turns! You know it will!!

With all respect it seems like your clutching onto something that might not happen.

F@ck what happens to q p r let's enjoy the ride!! we control this not the f. A or any other charges!!
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Also forgot to add, when we obtain the required point to be officially promoted this weekend and all the NPower banners come out how will it look to a global brand paying millions in advertising rights to then see a team demoted or whatever and they're brand plastered all over it? Something tells me it wouldn't go down to well at all.

The FA are all about cash. Forget Swindon, Hereford etc those cases mean absolutely nothing.

Again personal reasons.

Just for you Merlin

i hope we aint gonna turn on stan just because he got his views on qpr,if it was on the other foot,we would be doing the same about our club!I dont really understand these rules n regulations from the FA,so i'm gonna wait till the FA gives their verdict on the 6th may.Play nice

I think it's a bit mellodramatic to suggest that people are "turning on Stan". we are all understandably raising questions on a topic that could be of huge significance to our club. Stan is coming onto OUR message board and understandably defending his clubs position in all this. If the shoe is on the other foot, I don't think many other clubs message board contributors would even grace a cardiff supporter in the same position with any respect and he would just end up being called the usual sheepshagger and told to f*ck off.

i didnt say our fans are turning on him,i said i hope we aint gonna turn on him.why i said this,is because he's been a decent poster(for a qpr fan )

Merlin?

I know what your saying but can't we, for once focus on the next 2 games?

It's going to be so thrilling! There will we so many twists and turns! You know it will!!

With all respect it seems like your clutching onto something that might not happen.

F@ck what happens to q p r let's enjoy the ride!! we control this not the f. A or any other charges!!
P

like I have said in the main post in the sticky's - I dont care if QPR do or don't go up as a result of what happens on the 6th May! I only posted the rules and regulations, and expressed my opinion as to how a fine would not suffice to the 7 charges the FA has imposed upon the club. that is my opinion which I am entitled to , and a topic I can discuss freely with other interested members of this board!

I am a platambo! SO am very excited and nervous at the same time of the coming two games! A sell out again on a monday night live on sky! and the thought of Norwich dropping points to Pompey afterwards makes my pants wet! So as you can see - im very much concentrating on the coming games!

I have read from Cardiff fans that understandably they don't like the idea of going up "at QPR's expense" because of the possibility of our promotion being belittled by other clubs next season.
I wonder how QPR fans are feeling about the whole sour episode and whether they are cringing at the thought of the PL opposition chanting CHEATERS, CHEATERS next season...can't be very satisfying can it?

Merlin?

I hear you mate! Would love to buy you a pint in the canton end next season!!

My season ticket is in 106 see you there in the prem!!!

Merlin?

I hear you mate! Would love to buy you a pint in the canton end next season!!

My season ticket is in 106 see you there in the prem!!!

Im already there fella!

107 - row M - going up to Row HH for next season!

Merlin?

I hear you mate! Would love to buy you a pint in the canton end next season!!

My season ticket is in 106 see you there in the prem!!!

Im already there fella!

107 - row M - going up to Row HH for next season!

Ha ha 106 row hh for me too!! Get it going at the back!! Even if we are playing Brighton!!

I'm going to light the blue touch paper on this debate and then retire for the night because in true update fashion I have an tremendous rumour.

I have spent 30 minutes on the phone to my friend this evening who is a Council member of a county association of the FA, I attempted to drill him on what he said to me last week about the exact nature of the charges against QPR.

Well tonight he has told me he has been told that QPR have admitted the charge of using an unlicensed agent in their written response to the FA. QPR have however put forward the defence that the agent "Peppino Pirri" was used in the discussions leading up to the agreement and this took place before 4th July 2009 when the new FA regulations came into effect. QPR submitted the registration documents on Monday 5th July and received clearance on Wednesday 7th July 2009 and the word is the FA is unsure how the IRC will view this information. Has there been an infringement of the regulations yes but how will the IRC view these mitigating circumstances apparently the FA are concerned the charge may be dismissed.

However the 3rd party ownership charges are considered stronger even with the fact the documents were submitted the day after the regulations came into force, QPR are again using the defence that ALL the documents were completed and signed prior to the regulations coming into force and have therefore denied all charges.

The story is that the FA are unsure how the IRC will view these almost cross over dates and it mat just be possible that these 3rd party ownership charges will be thrown out.

That will only leave Mr Paladini and the false documents and apparently he is bang to rights so maybe he will be the only one to feel the barbed stick. Maybe just maybe he has been the target throughout.

Stan if you have been found guilty of absolutely nothing !! Then why are you being fined if you are not guilty how can you receive a fine you should be allowed to go on your merry way

I'm going to light the blue touch paper on this debate and then retire for the night because in true update fashion I have an tremendous rumour.

I have spent 30 minutes on the phone to my friend this evening who is a Council member of a county association of the FA, I attempted to drill him on what he said to me last week about the exact nature of the charges against QPR.

Well tonight he has told me he has been told that QPR have admitted the charge of using an unlicensed agent in their written response to the FA. QPR have however put forward the defence that the agent "Peppino Pirri" was used in the discussions leading up to the agreement and this took place before 4th July 2009 when the new FA regulations came into effect. QPR submitted the registration documents on Monday 5th July and received clearance on Wednesday 7th July 2009 and the word is the FA is unsure how the IRC will view this information. Has there been an infringement of the regulations yes but how will the IRC view these mitigating circumstances apparently the FA are concerned the charge may be dismissed.

However the 3rd party ownership charges are considered stronger even with the fact the documents were submitted the day after the regulations came into force, QPR are again using the defence that ALL the documents were completed and signed prior to the regulations coming into force and have therefore denied all charges.

The story is that the FA are unsure how the IRC will view these almost cross over dates and it mat just be possible that these 3rd party ownership charges will be thrown out.

That will only leave Mr Paladini and the false documents and apparently he is bang to rights so maybe he will be the only one to feel the barbed stick. Maybe just maybe he has been the target throughout.

VERY VERY INTERSTING! And possibly good news for all the QPR Fans, however it still has to go to the IRC so I'm crossing my fingers and hope QPR fans are let off the hook.... They will probably turn against Paldini big time now! Having to go through all that. Thanks CastleBlue!

I'm going to light the blue touch paper on this debate and then retire for the night because in true update fashion I have an tremendous rumour.

I have spent 30 minutes on the phone to my friend this evening who is a Council member of a county association of the FA, I attempted to drill him on what he said to me last week about the exact nature of the charges against QPR.

Well tonight he has told me he has been told that QPR have admitted the charge of using an unlicensed agent in their written response to the FA. QPR have however put forward the defence that the agent "Peppino Pirri" was used in the discussions leading up to the agreement and this took place before 4th July 2009 when the new FA regulations came into effect. QPR submitted the registration documents on Monday 5th July and received clearance on Wednesday 7th July 2009 and the word is the FA is unsure how the IRC will view this information. Has there been an infringement of the regulations yes but how will the IRC view these mitigating circumstances apparently the FA are concerned the charge may be dismissed.

However the 3rd party ownership charges are considered stronger even with the fact the documents were submitted the day after the regulations came into force, QPR are again using the defence that ALL the documents were completed and signed prior to the regulations coming into force and have therefore denied all charges.

The story is that the FA are unsure how the IRC will view these almost cross over dates and it mat just be possible that these 3rd party ownership charges will be thrown out.

That will only leave Mr Paladini and the false documents and apparently he is bang to rights so maybe he will be the only one to feel the barbed stick. Maybe just maybe he has been the target throughout.

I forgot to ask - if Faurlin or his economical rights were owned by a third party - where did the transfer fee go? Did the agent receive any money did the tp? Or his parent club? No one has really mentioned where this fee has gone have they....

That is pretty interesting.
So to sum up:
(1) the rule regarding third party ownership came into force on 4 July 2009
(2) QPR apparently submitted their forms for Faurlin on 5 July 2009

Clearly they had NO CLUE that the new rule was in place or they would have considered asking the FA about the rule change before they submitted the forms.

So if #2 above is true then they are in breach of C.1.(b).(iii).

It's the old "miss by an inch is as good as a mile". If QPR cannot know the rules a day after they're enfoced then likely they wouldnt know them a week, month, year later... So for this one charge the IRC will need to establish the grounds for not enforcing a penalty that are arguable in front of the media and the FA.