" Football Transfers And Loans Etc. "

Over the past month,there have been a few comments made on the radio and tv about this topic.
I would welcome any comments or info,about the following points,i am about to post.

THE EMERGENCY WINDOW - According to the Football League Show on Saturday said,that this Transfer Window is to Close this Thursday 24th March. Is this True
If so this gives us just 3 days to get a player or players in.

LOAN PLAYERS - Bellers : Jet : JK : oLI : e.g. At the end of the season,these players go back to their clubs,AFTER the Burnley game.
We then have to ask Permission From their Parent Club,to keep them if we are in the play-offs.This is the same for ALL Clubs.
This comment was made on Radio Wales,during a Cardiff game a few months back.Is this True
I Know that last season we had 1 or 2 players who were on loan in the play-off squad and Blackpool had a few more.

Would welcome any info,as later will post a 3rd point,which may play into our hands,with what to do next

Over 100 views so far and No comments,Are any of you good people Shocked or Surprised with the above info

Does anybody know if the comments made by The BBC and Radio WALES are Correct

My guess is that the agreements between clubs are until the end of the season, irrespective on when it finishes. If we made the play offs then our season is still ongoing.

My guess is that the agreements between clubs are until the end of the season, irrespective on when it finishes. If we made the play offs then our season is still ongoing.

Thanks for your post Richard. So does that mean if we are in the playoffs and Hull are not, we can have Gerrard in our team/squad.

My guess is that the agreements between clubs are until the end of the season, irrespective on when it finishes. If we made the play offs then our season is still ongoing.

Thanks for your post Richard. So does that mean if we are in the playoffs and Hull are not, we can have Gerrard in our team/squad.

but he wouldnt be registered with us though, which means that he wouldnt be eligible to play

if the deal is that player stays until the end of the season, he is eligible to play in playoffs, unless loan gets terminated. no reason to worry

My guess is that the agreements between clubs are until the end of the season, irrespective on when it finishes. If we made the play offs then our season is still ongoing.

Thanks for your post Richard. So does that mean if we are in the playoffs and Hull are not, we can have Gerrard in our team/squad.

but he wouldnt be registered with us though, which means that he wouldnt be eligible to play

registered? does Championship also have 25-man rule? if not, then he would be eligible to play too

once the transfer window closes he cannot play for his parent club. in the case of gerrard ,if hull failed to make playoffs then he cant play for us

once the transfer window closes he cannot play for his parent club. in the case of gerrard ,if hull failed to make playoffs then he cant play for us

could you post the actual rule? because this looks like bullshit to me.

My guess is that the agreements between clubs are until the end of the season, irrespective on when it finishes. If we made the play offs then our season is still ongoing.

Thanks for your post Richard. So does that mean if we are in the playoffs and Hull are not, we can have Gerrard in our team/squad.

but he wouldnt be registered with us though, which means that he wouldnt be eligible to play

Why wouldn't we have our own player registered! we don't have the 25 ruling like the premier league.

Also as far as I'm aware - if both teams agree, a player can return to the parent club if need be, (on a season long loan, the lending team would have to be completely satisfied of the player returning to parent club?)

I think Gerrard could still be allowed to feature for us this season as he has already played for us at the start, I'm just not entirely sure about the play offs (as they aren't standard league games!) ??? Maybe some one with a bit more knowledge could enlighten?

My guess is that the agreements between clubs are until the end of the season, irrespective on when it finishes. If we made the play offs then our season is still ongoing.

Thanks for your post Richard. So does that mean if we are in the playoffs and Hull are not, we can have Gerrard in our team/squad.

but he wouldnt be registered with us though, which means that he wouldnt be eligible to play

Thanks glammy.

To make another point...Why can't DJ then register Aaron Ramsey by Thurs as Loan player on a 24 hr call back to ARSENAL.
Tell AW to keep him untill May,and we will use him for the play-offs...Unless its to late

These rules with loans etc have too many grey areas,which i will prove with point 3 after i get confirmation about deadline day

My guess is that the agreements between clubs are until the end of the season, irrespective on when it finishes. If we made the play offs then our season is still ongoing.

but he wouldnt be registered with us though, which means that he wouldnt be eligible to play

Thanks glammy.

To make another point...Why can't DJ then register Aaron Ramsey by Thurs as Loan player on a 24 hr call back to ARSENAL.
Tell AW to keep him untill May,and we will use him for the play-offs...Unless its to late

These rules with loans etc have too many grey areas,which i will prove with point 3 after i get confirmation about deadline day

FYI, glammy is wrong

my guess is that the agreements between clubs are until the end of the season, irrespective on when it finishes. If we made the play offs then our season is still ongoing.

Thanks for your post Richard. So does that mean if we are in the playoffs and Hull are not, we can have Gerrard in our team/squad.

but he wouldnt be registered with us though, which means that he wouldnt be eligible to play

Thanks glammy.

To make another point...Why can't DJ then register Aaron Ramsey by Thurs as Loan player on a 24 hr call back to ARSENAL.
Tell AW to keep him untill May,and we will use him for the play-offs...Unless its to late

These rules with loans etc have too many grey areas,which i will prove with point 3 after i get confirmation about deadline day

Once a players called back the loan period is over, and new agreements have to be put into place.

once the transfer window closes he cannot play for his parent club. in the case of gerrard ,if hull failed to make playoffs then he cant play for us

could you post the actual rule? because this looks like bullshit to me.

im not reading through them this time of night, but it is sound and not bullshit. think about it.
once transfer window is shut, then he CANNOT return to us.

once the transfer window closes he cannot play for his parent club. in the case of gerrard ,if hull failed to make playoffs then he cant play for us

could you post the actual rule? because this looks like bullshit to me.

im not reading through them this time of night, but it is sound and not bullshit. think about it.
once transfer window is shut, then he CANNOT return to us.

how can he not be able to return? never heard of such rule and I'm fairly positive that I'm correct but if you can prove that youre right then fair play, I suck

once the transfer window closes he cannot play for his parent club. in the case of gerrard ,if hull failed to make playoffs then he cant play for us

could you post the actual rule? because this looks like bullshit to me.

im not reading through them this time of night, but it is sound and not bullshit. think about it.
once transfer window is shut, then he CANNOT return to us.

You can call youown player back in emergency if needed and lending club agree.... It isn't a transfer or loan!

[im not reading through them this time of night, but it is sound and not bullshit. think about it.
once transfer window is shut, then he CANNOT return to us.

how can he not be able to return? never heard of such rule and I'm fairly positive that I'm correct but if you can prove that youre right then fair play, I suck

he cant mun. when the window for this current season 2011 IS SHUT. see the word...SHUT, CLOSED.
when hulls season finishes and he comes back to report for training on the monday , he might be a cardiff employee but he cant play cos he`s returned AFTER THE TRANSFER WINDOW IS CLOSED

[im not reading through them this time of night, but it is sound and not bullshit. think about it.
once transfer window is shut, then he CANNOT return to us.

how can he not be able to return? never heard of such rule and I'm fairly positive that I'm correct but if you can prove that youre right then fair play, I suck

he cant mun. when the window for this current season 2011 IS SHUT. see the word...SHUT, CLOSED.
when hulls season finishes and he comes back to report for training on the monday , he might be a cardiff employee but he cant play cos he`s returned AFTER THE TRANSFER WINDOW IS CLOSED

im sorry but youre making no f*cking sense. what about Ramsey then? he returned after transfer window

right i`ll look now.
ramsey was an emergency 1month loan. emergency loan window has not closed

regulations page is not working for me right now so I can't check so I'll check it tommorow

Adding my input though I'm not exactly sure, if I'm correct only loan players can be registered at this time and not returning players, as for Ramsey he was named in the squad at the start if the season. To get gerrard registered it would have to go through the FA as an emergency and we all know the English FA love us so much.

This is an educated guess so I'm not even sure if I'm right.

Thanks to ALL who have posted and viewed this topic,so far...Now for point 3.

This is a beauty,and i hope DJ that you are viewing this..As what to do next...

IF Tom Heaton is fit for our game v Derby Co,We should send 1 if not both keepers back.
As long as Santaigo is also fit number 2. This would give us the chance
to get 2 outfield players in before Thursday.

The FA say that if a "Specialist Position" is needed e.g. A GOALKEEPER...We are Allowed to get in An Emergency Keeper,at ANYTIME...So why waste 2 Loan Players at this moment in Keepers

The FA Say that an emergency loan can be used up to 93 days,which would now take us past May-June

My guess is that the agreements between clubs are until the end of the season, irrespective on when it finishes. If we made the play offs then our season is still ongoing.

Thanks for your post Richard. So does that mean if we are in the playoffs and Hull are not, we can have Gerrard in our team/squad.

but he wouldnt be registered with us though, which means that he wouldnt be eligible to play

But he is our player so once Hulls season is over he will be still our Player so surely there is nothing to stop him playing. But that is an excellent post about Gerrard and to be honest i have not even thought about it. Interesting

Thanks for your post Richard. So does that mean if we are in the playoffs and Hull are not, we can have Gerrard in our team/squad. [/quote]

but he wouldnt be registered with us though, which means that he wouldnt be eligible to play[/quote]

Why wouldn't we have our own player registered! we don't have the 25 ruling like the premier league.

Also as far as I'm aware - if both teams agree, a player can return to the parent club if need be, (on a season long loan, the lending team would have to be completely satisfied of the player returning to parent club?)

I think Gerrard could still be allowed to feature for us this season as he has already played for us at the start, I'm just not entirely sure about the play offs (as they aren't standard league games!) ??? Maybe some one with a bit more knowledge could enlighten?[/quote]

Drinkwater and Keogh were both season long loans and both went on to play for another team. And if so wish could of played for there parent Club

Does this help you


A Player cannot play for a Club on a short term loan for more than 93 days in any one Season.]
Long Term Loan Transfers shall be for a Playing Season or from the commencement of the Playing Season to 31st December or from 1st January (the January Transfer Window) to the end of the Playing Season. The Board may approve loans between Clubs in membership of the competitions referred to in Rule 6.4.4 in respect of Players aged 24 and under on or before 30th June prior to the commencement of the Playing Season and provided the loan is registered by four (4) hours before the Club’s first fixture of its Playing Season or from any date between the commencement of a Membership Year to the 31st August in that Membership Year to any date between 1st and 31st January following or from any date between 1st and 31st January in a Membership Year to the end of that Playing Season relative to the Club taking him on loan.
A Player on long term loan may not be recalled except for a goalkeeper or where the Player is to be transferred permanently by the Club holding his registered contract. A Player other than a goalkeeper so recalled cannot be permitted to play for the Club holding his registration after such recall until the end of the Season. Players so recalled can only be replaced by a further long term loan with permission from the Company. Long term loans transfers will not count against the number of short term loans in Rule 6.4.4.]

Does this help you


A Player cannot play for a Club on a short term loan for more than 93 days in any one Season.]
Long Term Loan Transfers shall be for a Playing Season or from the commencement of the Playing Season to 31st December or from 1st January (the January Transfer Window) to the end of the Playing Season. The Board may approve loans between Clubs in membership of the competitions referred to in Rule 6.4.4 in respect of Players aged 24 and under on or before 30th June prior to the commencement of the Playing Season and provided the loan is registered by four (4) hours before the Club’s first fixture of its Playing Season or from any date between the commencement of a Membership Year to the 31st August in that Membership Year to any date between 1st and 31st January following or from any date between 1st and 31st January in a Membership Year to the end of that Playing Season relative to the Club taking him on loan.
A Player on long term loan may not be recalled except for a goalkeeper or where the Player is to be transferred permanently by the Club holding his registered contract. A Player other than a goalkeeper so recalled cannot be permitted to play for the Club holding his registration after such recall until the end of the Season. Players so recalled can only be replaced by a further long term loan with permission from the Company. Long term loans transfers will not count against the number of short term loans in Rule 6.4.4.]

We need to establish what 'the end of the playing season is?'

By that I mean is it the end of the 'league season' i.e. 46 games or the play off final?

If it is the 46 game season then Gerrard might be able to play for us in any potential play off games as his long term loan to Hull would have ended.

However, my gut feeling is the playing season ends after the play-off final, probably the 30 June.

Does this help you


A Player cannot play for a Club on a short term loan for more than 93 days in any one Season.]
Long Term Loan Transfers shall be for a Playing Season or from the commencement of the Playing Season to 31st December or from 1st January (the January Transfer Window) to the end of the Playing Season. The Board may approve loans between Clubs in membership of the competitions referred to in Rule 6.4.4 in respect of Players aged 24 and under on or before 30th June prior to the commencement of the Playing Season and provided the loan is registered by four (4) hours before the Club’s first fixture of its Playing Season or from any date between the commencement of a Membership Year to the 31st August in that Membership Year to any date between 1st and 31st January following or from any date between 1st and 31st January in a Membership Year to the end of that Playing Season relative to the Club taking him on loan.
A Player on long term loan may not be recalled except for a goalkeeper or where the Player is to be transferred permanently by the Club holding his registered contract. A Player other than a goalkeeper so recalled cannot be permitted to play for the Club holding his registration after such recall until the end of the Season. Players so recalled can only be replaced by a further long term loan with permission from the Company. Long term loans transfers will not count against the number of short term loans in Rule 6.4.4.]

We need to establish what 'the end of the playing season is?'

By that I mean is it the end of the 'league season' i.e. 46 games or the play off final?

If it is the 46 game season then Gerrard might be able to play for us in any potential play off games as his long term loan to Hull would have ended.

However, my gut feeling is the playing season ends after the play-off final, probably the 30 June.

The rule states that at the END of each season a playoff will take place, so therefore the season has ended before the play offs take place, just my interpretation of the rules.

Here is the rule do not know if you agree with me or not.



10.1.1.2

At the end of each Season, The League shall accept into membership the three clubs finishing in the lowest three places in The Premier League, in accordance with the Articles of Association, rules and regulations of The Premier League.
At the end of each Season, the two Clubs finishing in the highest positions in the First Division of The League shall be promoted to The Premier League in accordance with the Articles of Association, rules and regulations of The Premier League. The four next highest Clubs in the First Division shall take part in a Play-Off Competition. The winner of the Play-Off Competition shall also be promoted to The Premier League upon the
same terms.

Thanks Again to All who have posted today. Im still non the wiser on some of these rules
I looked up some website about the above rules and terms etc,found some of the points posted above.
Also found 1 Rule - That says No club can sign more than 2 players from the Another club over the age of 23 or 24.

Would be interested if the End of the season is the Burnley game,or the play-offs..with the Gerrard situation.

Also is the Window shut on Thursday this week If so with the news of Heaton back for the Derby game and Bywater not allowed to play -Why keep 2 loan Keepers,when we could get in a New face into the squad.

As posted by a few on here now...A loan keeper can be got at anytime from now to the end of the season.
( whatever the end of the season...means )

Thanks Again to All who have posted today. Im still non the wiser on some of these rules
I looked up some website about the above rules and terms etc,found some of the points posted above.
Also found 1 Rule - That says No club can sign more than 2 players from the Another club over the age of 23 or 24.

Would be interested if the End of the season is the Burnley game,or the play-offs..with the Gerrard situation.

Also is the Window shut on Thursday this week If so with the news of Heaton back for the Derby game and Bywater not allowed to play -Why keep 2 loan Keepers,when we could get in a New face into the squad.

As posted by a few on here now...A loan keeper can be got at anytime from now to the end of the season.
( whatever the end of the season...means )

Emergency loans (your 2 'keepers) are for a minimum of 28 days. You signed them on 3rd & 4th of March therefore you cannot send them back before the window closes.

Thanks Again to All who have posted today. Im still non the wiser on some of these rules
I looked up some website about the above rules and terms etc,found some of the points posted above.
Also found 1 Rule - That says No club can sign more than 2 players from the Another club over the age of 23 or 24.

Would be interested if the End of the season is the Burnley game,or the play-offs..with the Gerrard situation.

Also is the Window shut on Thursday this week If so with the news of Heaton back for the Derby game and Bywater not allowed to play -Why keep 2 loan Keepers,when we could get in a New face into the squad.

As posted by a few on here now...A loan keeper can be got at anytime from now to the end of the season.
( whatever the end of the season...means )

Emergency loans (your 2 'keepers) are for a minimum of 28 days. You signed them on 3rd & 4th of March therefore you cannot send them back before the window closes.

Thanks NJ73,You are correct about the dates,pity Derby don't put their 24 hr call back on Bywater.

Still a new face could come in with 1 keeper NOT in the match day squad.