" QPR POINTS DEDUCTION "

For those that were interested to know the latest doing the rounds is as follows.

3 point deduction & £150,000 fine.

It must be made clear that this is before QPR's legal man Nick De Marco has spoken for the club so by all accounts if he does the business it could be just 1 point deduction & the fine.

The poster's who posted this information today are 2 very well respected posters are very rarely wrong on club matters, if ever.

People will say the 3 man F.A. committee would not yet have decided but these guys are very very sure they have set this out as the punishment & want it concluded by the end of this week.

Also they are talking about 6 of the 7 charges being dropped.

If I hear any more I will let you know. (Could help you guys out if its any more than 3 points)

I wouldn't worry Stan you'll get them back on the 23rd April.

For those that were interested to know the latest doing the rounds is as follows.

3 point deduction & £150,000 fine.

It must be made clear that this is before QPR's legal man Nick De Marco has spoken for the club so by all accounts if he does the business it could be just 1 point deduction & the fine.

The poster's who posted this information today are 2 very well respected posters are very rarely wrong on club matters, if ever.

People will say the 3 man F.A. committee would not yet have decided but these guys are very very sure they have set this out as the punishment & want it concluded by the end of this week.

Also they are talking about 6 of the 7 charges being dropped.

If I hear any more I will let you know. (Could help you guys out if its any more than 3 points)

good luck stan i hope you have none deducted you are where you are on merit

Fully deserve to go up as winners I for one hope they do not deduct points...

We on the other half do not deserve it.

Stan no true Bluebird fan wants to see points deducted from you. Your team under Neil Warnock has been streets ahead and you are genuine Chamionship winners good luck in you battle with the FA

If thats is the case then Im sure QPR can live with the loss of 3 pts, no real football fan would want to see you punished as harsh as reported. Good luck QPR, you have one foot in the door of the promised land and fully deservedly.

Stan, we are 11 points behind you now so a 3 point deduction will not make much difference and i honestly believe if you had a 12 point deduction you would still go up. The reason being you have something we are sadly lacking......... consistency and the ability to grind out results when not playing at your best.

I honestly think QPR deserve promotion and it would be sad for you and the rest of the genuine fans if that was taken away by some dodgy dealings by a dodgy Chairman but from your post that scenario seems a lot less likely now

As for ourselves after yesterdays performance and previous results i have given up on looking at the BBC predictor and the fixtures of our rivals and now think it's a case of Que Sera Sera..........

Some very honest & gallant responses.

You are proper football fans.

As I said in the first post this is merely speculation but the guys are usually on the button so defo holds more weight than anyone posting it.

For those that were interested to know the latest doing the rounds is as follows.

3 point deduction & £150,000 fine.

It must be made clear that this is before QPR's legal man Nick De Marco has spoken for the club so by all accounts if he does the business it could be just 1 point deduction & the fine.

The poster's who posted this information today are 2 very well respected posters are very rarely wrong on club matters, if ever.

People will say the 3 man F.A. committee would not yet have decided but these guys are very very sure they have set this out as the punishment & want it concluded by the end of this week.

Also they are talking about 6 of the 7 charges being dropped.

If I hear any more I will let you know. (Could help you guys out if its any more than 3 points)

Stan;

The FA would as a matter of course indicate a likely punishment when they submit the charges this is intended to give the club help in deciding if they will accept the charges or fight them.

If those penalties are correct the club should accept them and get all this nonsense behind them because lets face it 3 points will hardly make a scratch would it.

This was a post from one of the well informed guys;



My understanding is that the points deduction is the current FA thinking given their charges. However, again, must be emphasised, they HAVE NOT seen our statements as yet.

It still could well be that a large-ish fine will be a happy medium. This would obviously avoid any nastiness spilling into the end of the season/play off dates.

I would suspect it will be down to how the FA feel on the day.

Do they want to be seen to be strong and the upholders of all that is good and get a few media monkeys off their back? If so - points deduction.

Do they want to avoid any potential costly and embarrassing ongoing litigation and issue a more prosaic judgement BUT be left open to accusations of weakness? If so - fine.

The FA are hugely influenced by media sources. It's like pishing in the wind trying to second guess them.

My last post seems to tie in with what you said castleblue.

For those that were interested to know the latest doing the rounds is as follows.

3 point deduction & £150,000 fine.

It must be made clear that this is before QPR's legal man Nick De Marco has spoken for the club so by all accounts if he does the business it could be just 1 point deduction & the fine.

The poster's who posted this information today are 2 very well respected posters are very rarely wrong on club matters, if ever.

People will say the 3 man F.A. committee would not yet have decided but these guys are very very sure they have set this out as the punishment & want it concluded by the end of this week.

Also they are talking about 6 of the 7 charges being dropped.

If I hear any more I will let you know. (Could help you guys out if its any more than 3 points)

good luck stan i hope you have none deducted you are where you are on merit

If they've broken the rules, they've broken the rules. If point deductions are the punishmentm, that's what happens.

You think only a mid table / relegation team should get punished?

This was a post from one of the well informed guys;



My understanding is that the points deduction is the current FA thinking given their charges. However, again, must be emphasised, they HAVE NOT seen our statements as yet.

It still could well be that a large-ish fine will be a happy medium. This would obviously avoid any nastiness spilling into the end of the season/play off dates.

I would suspect it will be down to how the FA feel on the day.

Do they want to be seen to be strong and the upholders of all that is good and get a few media monkeys off their back? If so - points deduction.

Do they want to avoid any potential costly and embarrassing ongoing litigation and issue a more prosaic judgement BUT be left open to accusations of weakness? If so - fine.

The FA are hugely influenced by media sources. It's like pishing in the wind trying to second guess them.

Well, your well informed guy is making suppositions there.

So, let's play suppositions here too.

QPR in response deny false paperwork. FA have evidence the paperwork was incorrect. Does your informed person think the FA will then be less minded to impose a heavy penalty due to you guys compounding the offence by denying you did it? ( ie leniency for a guilty plea vs throwing the book ).

If you're found guilty, the punishment has to be a strong one. There's no other option, or what's the point?

Solely a fine has no effect - what would then prevent say Vincent Tan encouraging us to cheat, knowing he could eaily pay the fine off?

Equally, if Paladini has been involved in dodginess over this one player, whose to say he's been "clean" on others? May well be the FA fully suspect dodginess has gone on, could only prove this one - which could factor into any punishment.

Nerd I see your points but as I say its all hear say at the moment, I just found it much more interesting than general chat because this guy is very well informed & as I said is rarely ever wrong & only posts relevance (rarely football chat)

You have to remember the media are like piranhas around the whole thing when in truth they know f**k all so don't believe everything you hear. You used the word 'cheat' how do you know its not just an error or an oversight? Doesn't mean we have 'cheated' anyone. The FA sanctioned the deal at the end of the day.

Agree with other posters - QPR desreve to be top of the league on merit. The punishment should fit the crime and if its 3 points and a fine, well lets face it, it isn't going to blow a big hole in their season which for me is the right result.

Error / oversight is irrelevant - the rule still broken. And, given Paladini's history of honesty, balance of probabilities swings against you.

The FA may well have sanctioned the deal - that's irrelevant. They sanction based upon the paperwork received - if details were omitted / fabricated, then the deal would not have been sanctioned if those details out in the open, potentially. An example is Watergate - it wasn't the offence per se that was the major deal, it was the coverup afterwards. From what I've noted, it seems the FL thought the deal may be dodgy, didn't have the rules in place; FL referred it to FA, FA told you to sort it out. You then sent paperwork to the FA.

If the charges pertain to that paperwork, and are proven, there can't be any leniency - FA gave you the chance to correct the situation, paperwork returned was false. There would be no arguement against applying a strong punishment in that case. A fine isn't enough punishment, because it would be no deterrent whatsoever to teams.

Talk of forged documents is exactly that, TALK. Nothing proven so until it is I won't fret.

As I said their is whispers 6 of the 7 charges will be dropped, how true that is I don't know but to me it sounds much more positive today than it did last Wednesday.

Personally I think it could get awfully messy for the FA if they do anything to jeopardise our promotion push.

When will the FA impose the punishment? I read somewhere they were due to make an annoucement today? I just hope the FA are fair and consistant with how they treat QPR. It is their duty, in fairness to all teams, that the punishement be the same to all teams regardless of where they are placed in the league and their financial standing. When teams go into administration the FA come down very hard on them. It will be interesting to see the serverity of the FA charges in respect of breaching regulations regardings players ownership and contracts. As no precedent has been set in a case like this before I guess we will all have to wait and see with regards to the outcome.

Talk of forged documents is exactly that, TALK. Nothing proven so until it is I won't fret.

As I said their is whispers 6 of the 7 charges will be dropped, how true that is I don't know but to me it sounds much more positive today than it did last Wednesday.

Personally I think it could get awfully messy for the FA if they do anything to jeopardise our promotion push.

The worry is that they dont care or consider your league position i.e. Luton Town.

Talk of forged documents is exactly that, TALK. Nothing proven so until it is I won't fret.

As I said their is whispers 6 of the 7 charges will be dropped, how true that is I don't know but to me it sounds much more positive today than it did last Wednesday.

Personally I think it could get awfully messy for the FA if they do anything to jeopardise our promotion push.

I didn't mention forged documents :p

If information supplied to the FA was false / incorrect, then as I said, can't expect leniency - FA gave time to correct the problem, after all.

It may get messy for the FA, but if guilty, what do you expect them to do? Break league rules, don't worry, only sanction will be a meaningless fine if you're getting promoted? IF ( and you'll note I keep saying if ), the rules were deemed to have been broken, they are fairly serious charges.

And even if QPR did, say, issue a legal challenge, is that really in your best interests given Paladini's previous effort in court? Could well reveal quite a few skeletons in the closet there...

Latest uis Dunga is suing them over unpaid loans.

Read this in an article.

"Withers, acting for QPR Holdings, acknowledges that its client admits receipt of loans to that value but that it cannot ascertain the source of those funds. "

So basically, accepts loans were received, but don't know who they came from? That's almost Ridsdale-esque. Sounds like an utter mess there.

To be honest nerd Dunga is owed £750k hardly gonna break the bank. How much is Sam Hamman & his people owed by Cardiff? £20m plus isn't it? That's a real problem.


All the signs are that things are not as serious as first thought.

A mention of Luton was made a couple of posts ago but to be honest they had 56 charges involving 3 players if I remember correctly & they only got a 10 point deduction so that alone puts things in perspective.

To be honest nerd Dunga is owed £750k hardly gonna break the bank. How much is Sam Hamman & his people owed by Cardiff? £20m plus isn't it? That's a real problem.


All the signs are that things are not as serious as first thought.

A mention of Luton was made a couple of posts ago but to be honest they had 56 charges involving 3 players if I remember correctly & they only got a 10 point deduction so that alone puts things in perspective.

Luton had an initial 10 point deduction for paying agents via a third party but then had another 20 deducted and had to start season 2009 on -30.

You say 'another 20 points deducted'. That is obviously separate from the initial 10 point charge. As I say it was about 56 charges & 3 different players, they deserved that punishment.


Our case is more based around ownership rather than throwing brown envelopes around to murky agents. I don't think the facts have actually come to light as yet only the FA's charges which QPR will obviously contest.

As I say no point worrying, what will be will be but I'm not expecting the book to be thrown at us.

If I were you I'd wait and see.
If it was us in the same boat I'd be worried.
What's the latest on the forged documents?
Like I said before if QPR are found guilty and that score God help you.
I think you could be relegated.
The FA can make you sweat,
When Juve in Italy and a couple of other sides were relegated they had to
Go to a football league panel, then an appeal. Then to the sports arbitration body.
It’s actually in the FIFA/Uefa rules you can’t sue your own FA.
FIFA/Uefa could suspend you while the case goes on.
Your in the shit.

Juve were relegated for their role in a 2006 match-fixing scandal that rocked Italy and were docked 30 points, which was
reduced to 17.

Not the same thing but shows you have strong football associations are.

You say 'another 20 points deducted'. That is obviously separate from the initial 10 point charge. As I say it was about 56 charges & 3 different players, they deserved that punishment.


Our case is more based around ownership rather than throwing brown envelopes around to murky agents. I don't think the facts have actually come to light as yet only the FA's charges which QPR will obviously contest.

As I say no point worrying, what will be will be but I'm not expecting the book to be thrown at us.

I dont think they'll throw book at you and I hope they dont but possibly Paladini can be your downfall, like you say it's all speculation at the moment. Just to clear up the Luton scenario ...................................

Long-suffering Luton fans expected the FA to offer them a helping hand yesterday by upholding their club's appeal against last month's punishments for paying agents through the club's holding company, but the FA Appeal Board, chaired by Nicholas Stewart, QC, decided that the punishments for 15 charges of misconduct should stand. Rules are rules, even though the crimes were committed by people who are no longer at Kenilworth Road.

We need to hope QPR don't get deducted because the last thing we want is them coming here needing points, f**k me I hope they already up before 23rd April, and they deserve it anyway

QPR SHOULD BE DOCKED 30 POINTS AND THEM POINTS GIVEN TO US. THAT IS THE ONLY WAY JONES WILL GET US PROMOTED THIS SEASON HE COULDN'T BALLS THAT UP COULD HE ?

QPR SHOULD BE DOCKED 30 POINTS AND THEM POINTS GIVEN TO US. THAT IS THE ONLY WAY JONES WILL GET US PROMOTED THIS SEASON HE COULDN'T BALLS THAT UP COULD HE ?

Haha oh i dont know mind