Trust Question ?

I was wondering if someone who is a Trust member could answer a few questions for me regarding membership, as I was looking at the website and am a little bit confused on a few things.

1. A share in the ownership of Cardiff City and the trust itself...What exactly does a Share in the ownership of Cardiff City mean?

2. Membership + £48 donation = £60.00 ...Can you break down where the Donation money goes. The reason I ask this, is because we only pay £12 for the Academy fund and I know that every single penny goes towards this, the same can be said for the Fred Keenor fund raising.

3. Regular emails with Trust news....We get regular updates from Carl regarding news, is there any difference?

4. An opportunity to get actively involved in the work of the Trust.....If this is the same as the Young Guns Initiative And giving the full backing to the Cardiff City F.C Fans involved in the Portsmouth fracas, I'm all for it.

5. An invitation to exclusive member events. Can you please elaborate what these events are.

6. A chance to raise questions and issues which the Trust can raise with the Club on your behalf.....Most Questions and Issues can be answered quite quickly on this forum.

7. What have you achieved in the 2 years you have been running ?

8. What support have you given City Fans when they have asked for it ?


I know there's a few trust members who read the forum (Gwyn, Tony, Since62) please don't take this the wrong way as I'm interested in joining the Trust, but when I weigh It all up there's little difference between the Trust and this Forum.

go on the trust site and send them very good questions to the trust,,,what I would say guys is that we all need to stick together...believe me we have enough people out to get us....lets fight for each other forget our differences of opinion...and move on TOGETHER

I was wondering if someone who is a Trust member could answer a few questions for me regarding membership, as I was looking at the website and am a little bit confused on a few things.

1. A share in the ownership of Cardiff City and the trust itself...What exactly does a Share in the ownership of Cardiff City mean?

2. Membership + £48 donation = £60.00 ...Can you break down where the Donation money goes. The reason I ask this, is because we only pay £12 for the Academy fund and I know that every single penny goes towards this, the same can be said for the Fred Keenor fund raising.

3. Regular emails with Trust news....We get regular updates from Carl regarding news, is there any difference?

4. An opportunity to get actively involved in the work of the Trust.....If this is the same as the Young Guns Initiative And giving the full backing to the Cardiff City F.C Fans involved in the Portsmouth fracas, I'm all for it.

5. An invitation to exclusive member events. Can you please elaborate what these events are.

6. A chance to raise questions and issues which the Trust can raise with the Club on your behalf.....Most Questions and Issues can be answered quite quickly on this forum.

7. What have you achieved in the 2 years you have been running ?

8. What support have you given City Fans when they have asked for it ?


I know there's a few trust members who read the forum (Gwyn, Tony, Since62) please don't take this the wrong way as I'm interested in joining the Trust, but when I weigh It all up there's little difference between the Trust and this Forum.

Marc it's horses for courses and personally I am excited by the Young Guns project as it is cutting edge involvement by passionate supporters. The 6 guys who run it do so without incurring a single penny in costs to the fund and dedication like that deserves to be supported.

That's why I now put all my spare donation cash into the YG Fund I would urge all other forum members (& guests) to do the same, but of course the choice is yours.

Cork, emotions are running high at the moment so I don't want to make things worse, but I had a vision that when set up the Trust would be a focal point and a unifying organisation, but it hasn't turned out that way.

I think the Trust could have got everyone together and had a united front against injustices like this, a statement or a meeting to plan the best course of action we could all take to look after one another etc.

United we stand divided we fall, and we are easy targets for such disproportionate treatment and punishment that we have seen in this case. Perhaps a recognised official group such as the Trust asking questions at the highest levels may carry more clout than a load of individuals stamping their feet as we are doing now.

I was wondering if someone who is a Trust member could answer a few questions for me regarding membership, as I was looking at the website and am a little bit confused on a few things.

1. A share in the ownership of Cardiff City and the trust itself...What exactly does a Share in the ownership of Cardiff City mean?
The aim is to buy shares in the club.

2. Membership + £48 donation = £60.00 ...Can you break down where the Donation money goes. The reason I ask this, is because we only pay £12 for the Academy fund and I know that every single penny goes towards this, the same can be said for the Fred Keenor fund raising.
This can be found on the trust website

3. Regular emails with Trust news....We get regular updates from Carl regarding news, is there any difference?
Trust News, nothing to do with Carls updates
4. An opportunity to get actively involved in the work of the Trust.....If this is the same as the Young Guns Initiative And giving the full backing to the Cardiff City F.C Fans involved in the Portsmouth fracas, I'm all for it.

5. An invitation to exclusive member events. Can you please elaborate what these events are.
In November we had a meeting at the stadium with TG and Dave Jones and Gethin, open questions etc. It the first type of event I attended and I was amazed how open the questions and answers were.

6. A chance to raise questions and issues which the Trust can raise with the Club on your behalf.....Most Questions and Issues can be answered quite quickly on this forum.
If your happy raising issue's on this forum thats fine. Other may want to do it through an organsisation such as the trust

7. What have you achieved in the 2 years you have been running ?

Again the agenda's and out comes are on the trust website.

8. What support have you given City Fans when they have asked for it ?

As above.

I know there's a few trust members who read the forum (Gwyn, Tony, Since62) please don't take this the wrong way as I'm interested in joining the Trust, but when I weigh It all up there's little difference between the Trust and this Forum.

If don't want to join thats fine, but all the information is on the website and if you want to meet the trust board and discuss the issue rasied they can be found in the trust area under the canton stand before every game.

Gwyn the Trusts at other clubs ( Rangers and Swansea are 2 that come to mind ) do have shares in the Football Club and can have a say of what goes on at that level unlike Cardiff where Im guessing the %age the Trust has is so minor then they may aswell have none . I joined last yr paying £60 hoping my money would make a diference and go towards purchasing new and more shares BUT this is never going to and will never happen ....... so the Trusts input to the Football Club is no more than say Vince has with the Supporters Club or Annis and Mike have with their respective Message Boards ! Everything the Trust has done the last year then Carl has also done for this Forum ( meetings etc if CEO ) .

So if the Trust can do no more with the Fotball Club than say you or I then surely it should look to other matters invloving other spects of CCFC , in other words the fans and fan issues . I wont mention the march coz thats been well covered and so to a certain degree has the incident on the train ............. so now current isues are involving atmosphere at CCFC and as of yesterday the ridiculous sentences handed out for those involved in the fracas at Chelsea . The atmosphere has been covered in the meeting and the e-mail has been sent to Trust members BUT the content was no diff to say the report from anybody else who attended the meeting NOT representing the Trust , so no adavtange of the Trust there . Final point is yesterday's sentences and the pre - ceeding few months from the day the photos were printed in the press etc . Corky in his role as FSF rep managed to get legal advice etc for all those involved AND is also fighting the case for those involved at Portsmouth .............. again NOTHING from the Trust regarding these issues . So the question is what do the Trust do for us , the supporters , when it can be seen that non Trust supporters groups appear to have the same clout or indeed input to both the Club and its supporters ??

I will not be renewing this year and have signed up to monthly support to the Young Guns instead


Swansea 1- 2 Cardiff

I was wondering if someone who is a Trust member could answer a few questions for me regarding membership, as I was looking at the website and am a little bit confused on a few things.


SEND THESE QUESTIONS TO THE TRUST WEBSITE ?

1. A share in the ownership of Cardiff City and the trust itself...What exactly does a Share in the ownership of Cardiff City mean?

IT MEANS WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO ATTEND MEETINGS ON BEHALF OF TRUST MEMBERS WHO WOULDNT , AS INDIVIDUALS HAVE ENOUGH CASH TO GET SHARES IN THE CLUB

2. Membership + £48 donation = £60.00 ...Can you break down where the Donation money goes. The reason I ask this, is because we only pay £12 for the Academy fund and I know that every single penny goes towards this, the same can be said for the Fred Keenor fund raising.

I WOULD SUGGEST YOU SEND THIS QUESTION TO THE TRUST VIA THE WEBSITE ....AS YOU SAY THE SCEME YOU ARE PART OF IS ONLY ABOUT THE ACADEMY .....THE TRUST IS INVOLVED IN QUITE A FEW THINGS

3. Regular emails with Trust news....We get regular updates from Carl regarding news, is there any difference?

YES ...CARLS UPDATES ARE ABOUT THE CLUB .....AND HE DOESNT ALWAYS GET THEM RIGHT ...THE TRUSTS E MAILS ARE ABOUT TRUST NEWS ...

4. An opportunity to get actively involved in the work of the Trust.....If this is the same as the Young Guns Initiative And giving the full backing to the Cardiff City F.C Fans involved in the Portsmouth fracas, I'm all for it.

THE TRUST ORGANISES COMMUNITY EVENTS , MEETINGS WITH EX PLAYERS , QUIZ NIGHTS ETC

AS FOR ANY INCIDENTS THE FOOTBALL SUPPORTERS FEDERATION AND SUPPORTERS DIRECT ARE THE BEST PEOPLE TO DEAL WITH SUCH MATTERS AS THEY EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE





5. An invitation to exclusive member events. Can you please elaborate what these events are.


YES, SEE POST ABOVE

6. A chance to raise questions and issues which the Trust can raise with the Club on your behalf.....Most Questions and Issues can be answered quite quickly on this forum.


THATS OPEN TO DEBATE , I LIKE CARLS UPDATES BUT THEY AINT ALWAYS RIGHT



7. What have you achieved in the 2 years you have been running ?


PRAISE FROM THE FOOTBALL SUPPORTERS FEDERATION FOR THE COMMUNITY EVENT AT CARDIFF CITY STADIUM ....THE FIRST EVER AT A FOOTBALL CLUB INVOLVING ALL THE COMMUNITY

REGUALR MEETINGS WITH THE CLUB CHIEF EXECUTIVE AND CHAIRMAN

POPULAR QUIZ NIGHTS AND MEET THE PLAYER EVENINGS

8. What support have you given City Fans when they have asked for it ?

WE WERE NOT ASKED FOR IT ...WE HAD NO E MAILS ASKING US TO REPRESENT THE FANS OVER THE TRAIN INCIDENT


WITH REGARD TO POMPEY I AM A TRUST MEMEBR AND GAVE AN EXTENSIVE WRITTEN STATEMENT AS A TRUST MEMBER TO SUPPORT THE LADS AFTER SEEING INCIDENTS FROM MY COACH ON THE WAY OUT AFTER THE GAME





I know there's a few trust members who read the forum (Gwyn, Tony, Since62) please don't take this the wrong way as I'm interested in joining the Trust, but when I weigh It all up there's little difference between the Trust and this Forum.

I HAVE TO BE HONEST , I THINK YOUR POST IS PRETTY MUCH A " WHY WE SHOULDNT JOIN THE TRUST "

THATS JUST MY VIEW

go on the trust site and send them very good questions to the trust,,,what I would say guys is that we all need to stick together...believe me we have enough people out to get us....lets fight for each other forget our differences of opinion...and move on TOGETHER

tto true

fail to see the point of this post on a day like today , of all days

Cork, emotions are running high at the moment so I don't want to make things worse, but I had a vision that when set up the Trust would be a focal point and a unifying organisation, but it hasn't turned out that way.

I think the Trust could have got everyone together and had a united front against injustices like this, a statement or a meeting to plan the best course of action we could all take to look after one another etc.

United we stand divided we fall, and we are easy targets for such disproportionate treatment and punishment that we have seen in this case. Perhaps a recognised official group such as the Trust asking questions at the highest levels may carry more clout than a load of individuals stamping their feet as we are doing now.

I think after todays shocking sentences it would be appropriate for some kind of joint statement from the trust , the supporters club and indeed people like yourself gwyn


but in terms of the convictions I think there is little we can do ...apart from get the lads decent support from supporters direct and the FSF which I know corky and you are involved in

best wishes to all the lads

So the question is what do the Trust do for us , the supporters , when it can be seen that non Trust supporters groups appear to have the same clout or indeed input to both the Club and its supporters ??

Swansea 1- 2 Cardiff

Martyn sorry to edit your post (I agreed with much of what you said) but as far as the Trust is concerned I really think they need to address that very question.

They usually answer with bog standard 'follow the wishes of members' or the impossible 'buy a huge share stake in the club' but eventually the question boils down to 'Just what does the Trust do for it's supporters/members?'

They simply don't achieve anything which is of direct relevance to the ordinary fan/supporter and it's that failure to nail their colour's to the mast which is losing it membership hand over fist.

I was wondering if someone who is a Trust member could answer a few questions for me regarding membership, as I was looking at the website and am a little bit confused on a few things.

1. A share in the ownership of Cardiff City and the trust itself...What exactly does a Share in the ownership of Cardiff City mean?
The aim is to buy shares in the club.

2. Membership + £48 donation = £60.00 ...Can you break down where the Donation money goes. The reason I ask this, is because we only pay £12 for the Academy fund and I know that every single penny goes towards this, the same can be said for the Fred Keenor fund raising.
This can be found on the trust website

3. Regular emails with Trust news....We get regular updates from Carl regarding news, is there any difference?
Trust News, nothing to do with Carls updates
4. An opportunity to get actively involved in the work of the Trust.....If this is the same as the Young Guns Initiative And giving the full backing to the Cardiff City F.C Fans involved in the Portsmouth fracas, I'm all for it.

5. An invitation to exclusive member events. Can you please elaborate what these events are.
In November we had a meeting at the stadium with TG and Dave Jones and Gethin, open questions etc. It the first type of event I attended and I was amazed how open the questions and answers were.

6. A chance to raise questions and issues which the Trust can raise with the Club on your behalf.....Most Questions and Issues can be answered quite quickly on this forum.
If your happy raising issue's on this forum thats fine. Other may want to do it through an organsisation such as the trust

7. What have you achieved in the 2 years you have been running ?

Again the agenda's and out comes are on the trust website.

8. What support have you given City Fans when they have asked for it ?

As above.

I know there's a few trust members who read the forum (Gwyn, Tony, Since62) please don't take this the wrong way as I'm interested in joining the Trust, but when I weigh It all up there's little difference between the Trust and this Forum.

If don't want to join thats fine, but all the information is on the website and if you want to meet the trust board and discuss the issue rasied they can be found in the trust area under the canton stand before every game.

this to me just seems like a silly dig at the trust on a day when we should all be concerned about other matters

and pugs response is correct ....the trust will answer all your questions if you e mail them with these questions

So the question is what do the Trust do for us , the supporters , when it can be seen that non Trust supporters groups appear to have the same clout or indeed input to both the Club and its supporters ??

Swansea 1- 2 Cardiff

Martyn sorry to edit your post (I agreed with much of what you said) but as far as the Trust is concerned I really think they need to address that very question.

They usually answer with bog standard 'follow the wishes of members' or the impossible 'buy a huge share stake in the club' but eventually the question boils down to 'Just what does the Trust do for it's supporters/members?'

They simply don't achieve anything which is of direct relevance to the ordinary fan/supporter and it's that failure to nail their colour's to the mast which is losing it membership hand over fist.

we do plenty of direct relevance to the ordinary fan and supporter ...its just you dont want to be a part of it so continually have a dig

we do comunity events , quiz nights , meet the player evenings and have regular contact with the club

we have far more members than most other trusts and have achieved far more in a short space of time than most others ...something that is regularly intimated to us at supporters direct meetings

so whilst YOU dont think we are doing anything relevant our 900 members clearly do or we wouldnt have them

losing its membership hand over fist ?.......thats one heck of an accusation ....are you now our membership secretary ?

its bullshit tony and you know it

Gwyn the Trusts at other clubs ( Rangers and Swansea are 2 that come to mind ) do have shares in the Football Club and can have a say of what goes on at that level unlike Cardiff where Im guessing the %age the Trust has is so minor then they may aswell have none . I joined last yr paying £60 hoping my money would make a diference and go towards purchasing new and more shares BUT this is never going to and will never happen ....... so the Trusts input to the Football Club is no more than say Vince has with the Supporters Club or Annis and Mike have with their respective Message Boards ! Everything the Trust has done the last year then Carl has also done for this Forum ( meetings etc if CEO ) .

rangers and celtic ...two of the biggest football teams in europe ..compared to cardiff citys trust ?..are you having a laugh ?


are you sure ?


have they organised community events including the police , local residents , supporters ?

have they been to events like the grangetown carnival and given out posters and cardiff city souveniers to the local kids and chatted to them and given out tickets for games ?

So if the Trust can do no more with the Fotball Club than say you or I then surely it should look to other matters invloving other spects of CCFC , in other words the fans and fan issues . I wont mention the march coz thats been well covered and so to a certain degree has the incident on the train ............. so now current isues are involving atmosphere at CCFC and as of yesterday the ridiculous sentences handed out for those involved in the fracas at Chelsea . The atmosphere has been covered in the meeting and the e-mail has been sent to Trust members BUT the content was no diff to say the report from anybody else who attended the meeting NOT representing the Trust , so no adavtange of the Trust there . Final point is yesterday's sentences and the pre - ceeding few months from the day the photos were printed in the press etc . Corky in his role as FSF rep managed to get legal advice etc for all those involved AND is also fighting the case for those involved at Portsmouth .............. again NOTHING from the Trust regarding these issues . So the question is what do the Trust do for us , the supporters , when it can be seen that non Trust supporters groups appear to have the same clout or indeed input to both the Club and its supporters ??

give the trust a chance , its only today the sentences are being discussed !! fecking hell man

I will not be renewing this year and have signed up to monthly support to the Young Guns instead


Swansea 1- 2 Cardiff

OK THATS YOUR CHOISE , WE HAVE 900 MEMBERS

we do plenty of direct relevance to the ordinary fan and supporter ...its just you dont want to be a part of it so continually have a dig

we do comunity events , quiz nights , meet the player evenings and have regular contact with the club

we have far more members than most other trusts and have achieved far more in a short space of time than most others ...something that is regularly intimated to us at supporters direct meetings

so whilst YOU dont think we are doing anything relevant our 900 members clearly do or we wouldnt have them

losing its membership hand over fist ?.......thats one heck of an accusation ....are you now our membership secretary ?

its bullshit tony and you know it

If what I said is bullshit then why haven't you listed your 'achievements?' To be honest Sludge who will have to do much better than a quiz night or to.

Every person I know who joined the Trust orginally has pulled out, you claim 900 members but how many of them are actual current members?

here they are again tony , you clearly dont read the threads


community event



grangetown carnival



anti social behaviour initiative with the youngsters


regular quiz


regular meetings with chief executive and chairman

every person you know ?


well I can only assume thats not very many because we have 900 members.......all of em are current members tony

well if the Trust currently has 900 members then why did u cancel the Aberdare quiz nite in favour of the non Trust race nite in the Ninian back in Nov ?? Surely a group of 900 can easily be shifted around 2 venues or maybe the outposts of Aberdare and Merthyr are too far away from the Keardiffian based Trust ? Yes I know the nite at Pontypridd recently went well

well if the Trust currently has 900 members then why did u cancel the Aberdare quiz nite in favour of the non Trust race nite in the Ninian back in Nov ?? Surely a group of 900 can easily be shifted around 2 venues or maybe the outposts of Aberdare and Merthyr are too far away from the Keardiffian based Trust ? Yes I know the nite at Pontypridd recently went well

best ask the trust board that , although its been answered several times on here

ps ...I dont live in kaaardiff either

the ponty location is perfect

a trust evening was arranged at cheggs pub but when the turnout was poor the trust thought it was better to have it at the base of the valleys

anyway I am done with all this now , sick and tired of the same old silly anti trust stuff coming out

have started a thread on mikes board as to what the trust can do about these very harsh chelsea sentences and will send an email to the trust to ask them if there is anything they can do

maybe some of you instead of slagging off the trust should do the same

best wishes and heres to three points on sunday

here they are again tony , you clearly dont read the threads


community event



grangetown carnival



anti social behaviour initiative with the youngsters


regular quiz


regular meetings with chief executive and chairman

every person you know ?


well I can only assume thats not very many because we have 900 members.......all of em are current members tony

See that's your problem the Trust thinks and acts small. None of the above directly effects the ordinary bog standard fan, it means nothing to them.

The Young Guns initiative in comparision involves everyone on this forum and aims to make a direct positive long term impact on CCFC by providing external funding for youth football in the Cardiff area (think big) surely you can see that is the way to run a fans organisation?

On the membership I know of a lot of people who didn't renew their membership last September but still receive Emails off the Trust. I assume these people are still counted as being 'current' members?

To be brutally honest with you Sludge, you are becoming very draconian in attempting to close down any kind of debate on the Trust. If it was a successful organisation it's 'achievements' would speak for themselves but frankly they don't.

Also continually making vile personal insults at those who raise concerns is disgusting and I find your behaviour more than a little distrubing at times.

Last edited by Tony Blue Williams on Fri Feb 04, 2011 11:29 am, edited 1 time in total.

vile personal insults ?

dont try that one with me tony , you know thats bullshit

vile personal insults ?

dont try that one with me tony , you know thats bullshit

Who had to appologise a couple of weeks ago for making false allegations against me? Also using 'Bullshit' as an answer to every post is extemely ignorant.

Im not slagging off the trust just not re joining and putting my money somwhere else where it will be appreciated , I have to look if my £12 will be used better by the Young Guns or the Trust . Personally I havnt benefited from the Trust or needed them for any help really for the £60 I paid last yr !

vile personal insults ?

dont try that one with me tony , you know thats bullshit

Who had to appologise a couple of weeks ago for making false allegations against me? Also using 'Bullshit' as an answer to every post is extemely ignorant.

oh you big baby

I got my facts wrong thats all and immediately apologised

they were not vile disturbing allegations

grow a pair of balls

Im not slagging off the trust just not re joining and putting my money somwhere else where it will be appreciated , I have to look if my £12 will be used better by the Young Guns or the Trust . Personally I havnt benefited from the Trust or needed them for any help really for the £60 I paid last yr !

I have to disagree

the trust benefits lots of members

Im not slagging off the trust just not re joining and putting my money somwhere else where it will be appreciated , I have to look if my £12 will be used better by the Young Guns or the Trust . Personally I havnt benefited from the Trust or needed them for any help really for the £60 I paid last yr !

I have to disagree

the trust benefits lots of members

Im sure it does ........ I used the word " personally " . Im not having a dig just saying , thats all

I am off now , if anyone wants to join the thread about wether the trust can do anything about chelsea sentences please do on mikes board

or send an email to the trust

regards

Thanks to all the Trust Members/Posters that took the time to reply, Although I'm still a little confused over the actual achievements in the 2 years it has been running, I remember a while back a poster by the name of Since62 used to give advice on the Trust, It would be fantastic to hear his opinion/advice on the Questions below








I was wondering if someone who is a Trust member could answer a few questions for me regarding membership, as I was looking at the website and am a little bit confused on a few things.

1. A share in the ownership of Cardiff City and the trust itself...What exactly does a Share in the ownership of Cardiff City mean?

2. Membership + £48 donation = £60.00 ...Can you break down where the Donation money goes. The reason I ask this, is because we only pay £12 for the Academy fund and I know that every single penny goes towards this, the same can be said for the Fred Keenor fund raising.

3. Regular emails with Trust news....We get regular updates from Carl regarding news, is there any difference?

4. An opportunity to get actively involved in the work of the Trust.....If this is the same as the Young Guns Initiative And giving the full backing to the Cardiff City F.C Fans involved in the Portsmouth fracas, I'm all for it.

5. An invitation to exclusive member events. Can you please elaborate what these events are.

6. A chance to raise questions and issues which the Trust can raise with the Club on your behalf.....Most Questions and Issues can be answered quite quickly on this forum.

7. What have you achieved in the 2 years you have been running ?

8. What support have you given City Fans when they have asked for it ?


I know there's a few trust members who read the forum (Gwyn, Tony, Since62) please don't take this the wrong way as I'm interested in joining the Trust, but when I weigh It all up there's little difference between the Trust and this Forum.

Some interesting Questions Marc, Hopefully Since62(Keith) will answer them

Some interesting Questions Marc, Hopefully Since62(Keith) will answer them

Cheers Annis, ............I remember Keith being very vocal on this messageboard in support of the trust, so that's why I was asking if he could answer, as some other trust members have.

Thanks to all the Trust Members/Posters that took the time to reply, Although I'm still a little confused over the actual achievements in the 2 years it has been running, I remember a while back a poster by the name of Since62 used to give advice on the Trust, It would be fantastic to hear his opinion/advice on the Questions below








I was wondering if someone who is a Trust member could answer a few questions for me regarding membership, as I was looking at the website and am a little bit confused on a few things.

1. A share in the ownership of Cardiff City and the trust itself...What exactly does a Share in the ownership of Cardiff City mean?

2. Membership + £48 donation = £60.00 ...Can you break down where the Donation money goes. The reason I ask this, is because we only pay £12 for the Academy fund and I know that every single penny goes towards this, the same can be said for the Fred Keenor fund raising.

3. Regular emails with Trust news....We get regular updates from Carl regarding news, is there any difference?

4. An opportunity to get actively involved in the work of the Trust.....If this is the same as the Young Guns Initiative And giving the full backing to the Cardiff City F.C Fans involved in the Portsmouth fracas, I'm all for it.

5. An invitation to exclusive member events. Can you please elaborate what these events are.

6. A chance to raise questions and issues which the Trust can raise with the Club on your behalf.....Most Questions and Issues can be answered quite quickly on this forum.

7. What have you achieved in the 2 years you have been running ?

8. What support have you given City Fans when they have asked for it ?


I know there's a few trust members who read the forum (Gwyn, Tony, Since62) please don't take this the wrong way as I'm interested in joining the Trust, but when I weigh It all up there's little difference between the Trust and this Forum.

Marc

I did try answering your questions on here a few days ago but , despite receiving a message to say it had been posted , my reply then disappeared altogether. This board loses more posts somehow than things get lost in the Bermuda Triangle

All of the answers I give are mine personally , so it would be appreciated if my answers are taken in that context rather than as any kind of official Trust stance which it is definitely not. Nor should it be edited or bits taken from it which change the context of the answers.

1) Share ownership

For several years , individuals have not been allowed to purchase shares in Cardiff City Football Club (Holdings) Limited other than by the passing of specific special resolutions by the company. Indeed , those that had previously bought shares saw the value of their holding fall by 90% under the terms of the deal which saw Sam Hammam ousted by Ridsdale/PMG etc.
By special agreement with the club (a decision which P Ridsdale later told me he regretted) the Trust were allowed to buy a nominal £1k worth of shares. This gave the Trust the right to attend AGMs/EGMs etc.
Each adult member of the Trust effectively owns the Trust shares equally under the rules and regulations of membership.
In May last year , Holdings called an EGM to get shareholders` authority to issue a large allocation of shares to the new Malaysian investors , to convert some debts due to other shareholders into new shares , and to allow existing shareholders to subscribe to new shares to put badly need funds into the club. The Trust took the opportunity to buy a further £6k of shares , but very few other existing shareholders bothered to subscribe.(see also my answer in 2) below).

2)Where does membership money over £12 go

It was agreed with members at the time that 1/2 of all Phil Dwyer (the £60 a year) membership would be used to buy shares in the club , hence the two purchases referred to above.Now that membership has changed to a single level of £12 a year in response to membbers` request to simplify the system ,1/2 of any voluntary donations above that amount are now kept in a seperate account as a "fighting fund" to be used in accordance with members` wishes -e.g. this might be a contribution to a club cause or to help out in a crisis (although we all hope that no crisis occurs).

3) Trust news v updates

They are not the same thing. The newsletters tend to be either minutes of meetings , reports on actual events or notices of forthcoming events. Carl`s updates are his personal interpretation of information he has been fed or personal opinions (I am not having a go at Carl for that , just explaining that they are different things).

4)This isn`t a question , but a statement , so I can`t answer it.

5)Exclusive member events

To date , there haven`t been enough of them in my opinion (as with most groups most of the burden for organising things falls on very few people - and in the Trust most of us also hold down full time jobs - and time does not always allow). But events have included quiz nights , question and answer nights with Jason Perry and Andy Legg (chaired by Rob Phillips of the BBC),and a question and answer meeting with TG/Dave Jones and Gethin Jenkins.

6)Questions raised of the club by the Trust

There are many fans of the club (the vast majority in fact) who either don`t use or don`t like messageboards - the "quiet fan" if you like , and prefer to put any questions they have through a formal body like the Trust.Without that they may never raise such questions directly themselves.
Others prefer to rely on answers given to them by Annis or Carl. Its just a matter of personal choice.

7) What has the Trust achieved?

The honest personal answer from me is "not enough" and , for as long as members vote for me to be a Trust board member , I will always seek to achieve more.
But what you must realise is the Trust is not just some kind of messageboard , whose policies and content can be controlled by its owner and a few moderators and which therefore has far more freedom without external monitoring or controls. The Trust is a formal, legal , democratic body (part of the bigger Supporters Direct organisation giving it direct links to government influence)controlled by statute and monitored by the Financial Services Authority.Most actions therefore have to be taken properly and comply with our rules (and this can at times be painfully slow).
A lot of time and effort was put into creating the Trust (for which people such as Corky who was its first Chairman deserve huge praise) and to making sure it operated properly and legally in its first year when everyone was going through a steep learning curve.

Actual achievements have included getting the shares referred to above , getting the club to pursuade Compass to reduce stadium catering prices (which are still too high in my view), getting reduced matchday prices for pre-season friendlies , kickstarting the Fred Keenor appeal with cash and manpower, and organising a number of local community events in an effort to get more local people to attend games as fans.
Corky also developed an excellent presentation on anti-social behaviour which , in conjunction with the police and club (though mostly Corky`s work) was given and well accepted in schools.This may be something the Trust restarts in the future as part of the aim , which I am sure most right-minded fans would want , of improving the club`s image in the wider community.
As I say , the Trust can always do better. But it must have done a number of things right as Supporters Direct often use CCST as an example of best practice to its members from other clubs.

8) Support for fans when asked

This is a bit of an old chestnut ,triggered by the "train woman" incident but the fact of the matter is that there was never an approach to the Trust by any of those involved , no matter what others may claim.If a Trust member asks for a matter to be raised with the club , it will always do so (ask Gethin Jenkins , who has sometimes been fed up with having to answer the same questions more than once).

I disagree with your opinion (but respect it anyway) that there is little difference between the Trust and this forum. There is a vast difference caused by the fact that this forum (and most other forums for that matter) is not an elected body and is not controlled by or answerable to anybody other than the few people who created it in the first place.They are two totally different things , intended to serve totally different purposes.

I hope that my honest answers properly deal with your questions.

Keith