Finally the truth comes out

Thats why, even if you only have half a brain - you should always remember this , Labour dont understand how businesses work and how Govt's should spend within their budgets, all they ever do is throw money at projects, then say - LOOK AT HOW MUCH WE HAVE SPENT , even the most thickest of football supporters know that chucking money on players - wont bring you success, yet again blackpool is the example.

Labour never actually manage to grasp on what is needed to deliver success, they then get bogged down with the unions.
What then happens is that they will lose an election when the truth finally OUTS, and the new Govt (usually conservative - but this time cons and libs) have to pick up the pieces and try and get us back in the black.

Labour is like putting an alco in charge of a pub - it's no surprise that they then max out on their credit card. Labopur are Saturday night and the conservative/libs are the sunday morning clean up.

rant over

Thats why, even if you only have half a brain - you should always remember this , Labour dont understand how businesses work and how Govt's should spend within their budgets, all they ever do is throw money at projects, then say - LOOK AT HOW MUCH WE HAVE SPENT , even the most thickest of football supporters know that chucking money on players - wont bring you success, yet again blackpool is the example.

Labour never actually manage to grasp on what is needed to deliver success, they then get bogged down with the unions.
What then happens is that they will lose an election when the truth finally OUTS, and the new Govt (usually conservative - but this time cons and libs) have to pick up the pieces and try and get us back in the black.

Labour is like putting an alco in charge of a pub - it's no surprise that they then max out on their credit card. Labopur are Saturday night and the conservative/libs are the sunday morning clean up.

rant over

Harry,

How did the last Government get "bogged down with the Unions?" We still have the most flexible labour market in Western Europe.

Thats why, even if you only have half a brain - you should always remember this , Labour dont understand how businesses work and how Govt's should spend within their budgets, all they ever do is throw money at projects, then say - LOOK AT HOW MUCH WE HAVE SPENT , even the most thickest of football supporters know that chucking money on players - wont bring you success, yet again blackpool is the example.

Labour never actually manage to grasp on what is needed to deliver success, they then get bogged down with the unions.
What then happens is that they will lose an election when the truth finally OUTS, and the new Govt (usually conservative - but this time cons and libs) have to pick up the pieces and try and get us back in the black.

Labour is like putting an alco in charge of a pub - it's no surprise that they then max out on their credit card. Labopur are Saturday night and the conservative/libs are the sunday morning clean up.

rant over

Harry,

How did the last Government get "bogged down with the Unions?" We still have the most flexible labour market in Western Europe.

Unions still fund Labour quite heavily, without that money Labour would be bankrupt... only difference was, pre-Brown, the unionistas within the party were the silent minority, knowing going out there fighting an election on union issues means they lose election heavily...

Now Red Milliband is in charge, the colours are coming out.

What Sky have left out is the top civil servant also said in that interview overspends occur when big departments reorganise.
Well that’s exactly what the Lib Cons are doing with the NHS in England at a cost of £3 billion.

What Sky have left out is the top civil servant also said in that interview overspends occur when big departments reorganise.
Well that’s exactly what the Lib Cons are doing with the NHS in England at a cost of £3 billion.

Initially, yes. Longer term, no if those reorganisations improve efficiency.

What Sky have left out is the top civil servant also said in that interview overspends occur when big departments reorganise.
Well that’s exactly what the Lib Cons are doing with the NHS in England at a cost of £3 billion.

From what I heard the figures are that 3 billion spend will save 1 billion year on year (that the important bit) , so by the time of the next election if it runs the 4 years - it'll be 2 billion in credit.

What Sky have left out is the top civil servant also said in that interview overspends occur when big departments reorganise.
Well that’s exactly what the Lib Cons are doing with the NHS in England at a cost of £3 billion.

From what I heard the figures are that 3 billion spend will save 1 billion year on year (that the important bit) , so by the time of the next election if it runs the 4 years - it'll be 2 billion in credit.

Harry

Change your 2 to a 1

Thats why, even if you only have half a brain - you should always remember this , Labour dont understand how businesses work and how Govt's should spend within their budgets, all they ever do is throw money at projects, then say - LOOK AT HOW MUCH WE HAVE SPENT , even the most thickest of football supporters know that chucking money on players - wont bring you success, yet again blackpool is the example.

Labour never actually manage to grasp on what is needed to deliver success, they then get bogged down with the unions.
What then happens is that they will lose an election when the truth finally OUTS, and the new Govt (usually conservative - but this time cons and libs) have to pick up the pieces and try and get us back in the black.

Labour is like putting an alco in charge of a pub - it's no surprise that they then max out on their credit card. Labopur are Saturday night and the conservative/libs are the sunday morning clean up.

rant over

Harry,

How did the last Government get "bogged down with the Unions?" We still have the most flexible labour market in Western Europe.

Unions still fund Labour quite heavily, without that money Labour would be bankrupt... only difference was, pre-Brown, the unionistas within the party were the silent minority, knowing going out there fighting an election on union issues means they lose election heavily...

Now Red Milliband is in charge, the colours are coming out.

Given that the Labour Party evolved out of the Trade Union movement it's only to be expected. It's a shame "New Labour" didn't stick to it's roots - rather than snuggling up to the City better banking regulation might have avoided much of this current economic mess.

With regards to "Red Ed" I don't see much in his voting record in Parliament that suggests much of a left wing bias at all; you would not expect him to be given that like the Lib Dems and the Tories, New Labour have right of centre economic policies.

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/edward ... ster_north

Given that the Labour Party evolved out of the Trade Union movement it's only to be expected. It's a shame "New Labour" didn't stick to it's roots - rather than snuggling up to the City better banking regulation might have avoided much of this current economic mess.

With regards to "Red Ed" I don't see much in his voting record in Parliament that suggests much of a left wing bias at all; you would not expect him to be given that like the Lib Dems and the Tories, New Labour have right of centre economic policies.

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/edward ... ster_north

Oh, please, union officials are the biggest hypocrites around - Andy Gilchrist's 80k expenses bill for lunches anyone?

Better banking regulation might have avoided some of the current mess, sure. Equally, may well have driven away a lot of the financial industry from Britain causing evern bigger problems. Who knows?

Brown et al; knew the good old Labour approach would no longer be tolerated by a voting public. Milliband much the same, one face publicly, the other still the discredited policies of envy and jealousy...

Thats why, even if you only have half a brain - you should always remember this , Labour dont understand how businesses work and how Govt's should spend within their budgets, all they ever do is throw money at projects, then say - LOOK AT HOW MUCH WE HAVE SPENT , even the most thickest of football supporters know that chucking money on players - wont bring you success, yet again blackpool is the example.

Labour never actually manage to grasp on what is needed to deliver success, they then get bogged down with the unions.
What then happens is that they will lose an election when the truth finally OUTS, and the new Govt (usually conservative - but this time cons and libs) have to pick up the pieces and try and get us back in the black.

Labour is like putting an alco in charge of a pub - it's no surprise that they then max out on their credit card. Labopur are Saturday night and the conservative/libs are the sunday morning clean up.

rant over

Complete and utter bollocks mate,

the americans are SPENDING their way out of their crisis and its working, the gay boys, ugh, cameron and his bum buddy clegg, vowed to raising employment....so they cut jobs, cut private sector jobs, cut council budgets (more jobs losses expected), reforming the NHS (prolly will get rid off which is pathetic) by making hospitals private, cutting EMA (a £30 a week fund for people who attend six form/college and their parents earn less than £40k ( i think) between em), cutting the size of our army from 120k (roughly) to 25k (WTF???) thats 85k posts gone! raising VAT (prolly a smart thing to do), giving wales £300mil less than they are supposed (even though we f*cking earn the money. And theres prolly more cuts on the way!!

Labour have already got my vote and the next election is in what...4-5 years?

Coooomee oonn youu reeeds

Thats why, even if you only have half a brain - you should always remember this , Labour dont understand how businesses work and how Govt's should spend within their budgets, all they ever do is throw money at projects, then say - LOOK AT HOW MUCH WE HAVE SPENT , even the most thickest of football supporters know that chucking money on players - wont bring you success, yet again blackpool is the example.

Labour never actually manage to grasp on what is needed to deliver success, they then get bogged down with the unions.
What then happens is that they will lose an election when the truth finally OUTS, and the new Govt (usually conservative - but this time cons and libs) have to pick up the pieces and try and get us back in the black.

Labour is like putting an alco in charge of a pub - it's no surprise that they then max out on their credit card. Labopur are Saturday night and the conservative/libs are the sunday morning clean up.

rant over

I dont vote Labour or Lib , But to say the Conservatives are the sunday clean up O well ,
Yes I lived with them in the Thatcher years, Empty all the Valleys shut down the steel works in cardiff with full order Books
and put what was called the 5 year factorys all over the Valleys and paid them familys shit money to work in them, After 5 years the the companys there closed down took all the machines back to the mother companys in england ,and did have to pay a penny for them. Good old cons SHIT !

Thats why, even if you only have half a brain - you should always remember this , Labour dont understand how businesses work and how Govt's should spend within their budgets, all they ever do is throw money at projects, then say - LOOK AT HOW MUCH WE HAVE SPENT , even the most thickest of football supporters know that chucking money on players - wont bring you success, yet again blackpool is the example.

Labour never actually manage to grasp on what is needed to deliver success, they then get bogged down with the unions.
What then happens is that they will lose an election when the truth finally OUTS, and the new Govt (usually conservative - but this time cons and libs) have to pick up the pieces and try and get us back in the black.

Labour is like putting an alco in charge of a pub - it's no surprise that they then max out on their credit card. Labopur are Saturday night and the conservative/libs are the sunday morning clean up.

rant over

I dont vote Labour or Lib , But to say the Conservatives are the sunday clean up O well ,
Yes I lived with them in the Thatcher years, Empty all the Valleys shut down the steel works in cardiff with full order Books
and put what was called the 5 year factorys all over the Valleys and paid them familys shit money to work in them, After 5 years the the companys there closed down took all the machines back to the mother companys in england ,and did have to pay a penny for them. Good old cons SHIT !

Didnt the bunt also f**k up the house market? (im 17 so wasnt in her/it/thungs era)

Given that the Labour Party evolved out of the Trade Union movement it's only to be expected. It's a shame "New Labour" didn't stick to it's roots - rather than snuggling up to the City better banking regulation might have avoided much of this current economic mess.

With regards to "Red Ed" I don't see much in his voting record in Parliament that suggests much of a left wing bias at all; you would not expect him to be given that like the Lib Dems and the Tories, New Labour have right of centre economic policies.

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/edward ... ster_north

Oh, please, union officials are the biggest hypocrites around - Andy Gilchrist's 80k expenses bill for lunches anyone?

Better banking regulation might have avoided some of the current mess, sure. Equally, may well have driven away a lot of the financial industry from Britain causing evern bigger problems. Who knows?

Brown et al; knew the good old Labour approach would no longer be tolerated by a voting public. Milliband much the same, one face publicly, the other still the discredited policies of envy and jealousy...

Brown had to go - he was not Prime Minister material and the last New Labour Government were too authoritarian for me; I like David Davies' views on personal freedoms - I did not vote Gordon Brown. The people in this country who have long memories and can remember the last Tory Governments did not vote for them either. It's going to be great fun watching the Lib Dems vaporise for allowing another Tory led government to have a go - against the will of the people.

Given that the Labour Party evolved out of the Trade Union movement it's only to be expected. It's a shame "New Labour" didn't stick to it's roots - rather than snuggling up to the City better banking regulation might have avoided much of this current economic mess.

With regards to "Red Ed" I don't see much in his voting record in Parliament that suggests much of a left wing bias at all; you would not expect him to be given that like the Lib Dems and the Tories, New Labour have right of centre economic policies.

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/edward ... ster_north

Oh, please, union officials are the biggest hypocrites around - Andy Gilchrist's 80k expenses bill for lunches anyone?

Better banking regulation might have avoided some of the current mess, sure. Equally, may well have driven away a lot of the financial industry from Britain causing evern bigger problems. Who knows?

Brown et al; knew the good old Labour approach would no longer be tolerated by a voting public. Milliband much the same, one face publicly, the other still the discredited policies of envy and jealousy...

Brown had to go - he was not Prime Minister material and the last New Labour Government were too authoritarian for me; I like David Davies' views on personal freedoms - I did not vote Gordon Brown. The people in this country who have long memories and can remember the last Tory Governments did not vote for them either. It's going to be great fun watching the Lib Dems vaporise for allowing another Tory led government to have a go - against the will of the people.

Really? Would people like you slate the Lib Dems if they'd backed Labour rather than the Tories, hmmm?

One things for sure. Labour vote collapsed. Mostly because the dated dogma was finally seen through.

Can we stick to football please as we will never agree on politics I hate politics as they are as bad as each other all taken money make a fortune Labour Torry Lid dem plaid they are all the same full of un trustworthy greedy MP's.

No govenrment will look after the NHS as they should

Brown had to go - he was not Prime Minister material and the last New Labour Government were too authoritarian for me; I like David Davies' views on personal freedoms - I did not vote Gordon Brown. The people in this country who have long memories and can remember the last Tory Governments did not vote for them either. It's going to be great fun watching the Lib Dems vaporise for allowing another Tory led government to have a go - against the will of the people.[/quote]

Really? Would people like you slate the Lib Dems if they'd backed Labour rather than the Tories, hmmm?

One things for sure. Labour vote collapsed. Mostly because the dated dogma was finally seen through.[/quote]

Yes, because it was time for a change of government - nothing to do with dated dogma (National ID Cards and other authoritarian measures were quite new. War in Iraq I suppose could be described as "Imperialist Dogma" ) Tories should have formed a minority government. Trouble is, they would not have been able to push through the program that they are currently running with. The electorate wanted a change of government, they just didn't want a Majority Tory one - enough people with long memories. When Major's government fell in abject disgrace, they were such a disunited rabble I actually thought the Tory Party might split up and I would never see another Tory PM in my lifetime. How wrong can you be

Can we stick to football please as we will never agree on politics I hate politics as they are as bad as each other all taken money make a fortune Labour Torry Lid dem plaid they are all the same full of un trustworthy greedy MP's.

No govenrment will look after the NHS as they should

People don't agree much on the football either!