VT'S BILLIONS

The next week or two may be an indicator to VT's vision or commitment to the club.
The man is mega rich and a very successful business man, when you have that wealth at your disposal does the drive to make the next billion spur you on, or does the success from every positive deal rock your boat so to speak.

What I am getting at is people like Vt and Abramovich obviously are competitive and want to be top of whatever pile they are in, biggest yacht, biggest island, biggest jet fastest car etc.But if something is not going their way or its too much work for too little success, will these sort of people have the commitment for the fight or will they just move on to further fields anew.

I feel that people in this category do not take second best and that they don't suffer fools or failure gladly. This isn't a dig at VT, far from it, I hope his pride will make him go all out to be top dog in the football world, but the next week may show us which direction he's taking. Was it a calculated gamble with good odds for a huge return for a small investment, was it a long term aim to build a stable club with strong links to the far East, or is it and embarrassment he wishes he hadn't come near.


The Sam? langstone deal is just one issue in this, if the debt is going to shoot up after the date as passed, what is he planning, possibly still gambling on promotion this year then making an offer to Sam, or giving him shares in the club and letting Sam gamble on the outcome of promotion and future success.

As for what's needed for promotion, I think most of us agree that a few million pounds more investment in the Jan window should see us get there, do they sack DJ, I don't think they should, give him is pot and re-negotiate his bonus, something like here's 5 million spend it wisely get us up and you'll keep the bonus Ridsdaale promised you, however fail and you are sacked and there's no bonus.


Who knows how it will pan out, but I feel we will have a better ideaa pretty soon/

The next week or two may be an indicator to VT's vision or commitment to the club.
The man is mega rich and a very successful business man, when you have that wealth at your disposal does the drive to make the next billion spur you on, or does the success from every positive deal rock your boat so to speak.

What I am getting at is people like Vt and Abramovich obviously are competitive and want to be top of whatever pile they are in, biggest yacht, biggest island, biggest jet fastest car etc.But if something is not going their way or its too much work for too little success, will these sort of people have the commitment for the fight or will they just move on to further fields anew.

I feel that people in this category do not take second best and that they don't suffer fools or failure gladly. This isn't a dig at VT, far from it, I hope his pride will make him go all out to be top dog in the football world, but the next week may show us which direction he's taking. Was it a calculated gamble with good odds for a huge return for a small investment, was it a long term aim to build a stable club with strong links to the far East, or is it and embarrassment he wishes he hadn't come near.


The Sam? langstone deal is just one issue in this, if the debt is going to shoot up after the date as passed, what is he planning, possibly still gambling on promotion this year then making an offer to Sam, or giving him shares in the club and letting Sam gamble on the outcome of promotion and future success.

As for what's needed for promotion, I think most of us agree that a few million pounds more investment in the Jan window should see us get there, do they sack DJ, I don't think they should, give him is pot and re-negotiate his bonus, something like here's 5 million spend it wisely get us up and you'll keep the bonus Ridsdaale promised you, however fail and you are sacked and there's no bonus.


Who knows how it will pan out, but I feel we will have a better ideaa pretty soon/

gwyn picture this scenario vt business man and big on gambling (although illegal in malaysia at the mo ) CCFC at the beggining of season 22/1 to win league 14/1 for promotion (correct me if im wrong) stakes 1 possibly 2 mill on either one half way through season almost there whats the incentive to push on;thoughts

Well that's the way I'd be thinking and I ain't a switched on billionaire, be interesting to hear if any major book maker have any massive bets on us.

Well that's the way I'd be thinking and I ain't a switched on billionaire, be interesting to hear if any major book maker have any massive bets on us.

Well I've got £50 on us to win the league at 20/1!

Well that's the way I'd be thinking and I ain't a switched on billionaire, be interesting to hear if any major book maker have any massive bets on us.

I wouldn't think so. varying odds between 4/1 and 6/1 are available for us to win the Championship. If large bets had been put down on us we would be considerably shorter odds. If you see a heavy contraction in the next few days then it will be quickly evident which way Tan is going to go.

Well that's the way I'd be thinking and I ain't a switched on billionaire, be interesting to hear if any major book maker have any massive bets on us.

I wouldn't think so. varying odds between 4/1 and 6/1 are available for us to win the Championship. If large bets had been put down on us we would be considerably shorter odds. If you see a heavy contraction in the next few days then it will be quickly evident which way Tan is going to go.

i dont think he would have put the bet with ladbrokes

Well that's the way I'd be thinking and I ain't a switched on billionaire, be interesting to hear if any major book maker have any massive bets on us.

Is Annis binding books as well now then?

The next week or two may be an indicator to VT's vision or commitment to the club.
The man is mega rich and a very successful business man, when you have that wealth at your disposal does the drive to make the next billion spur you on, or does the success from every positive deal rock your boat so to speak.

What I am getting at is people like Vt and Abramovich obviously are competitive and want to be top of whatever pile they are in, biggest yacht, biggest island, biggest jet fastest car etc.But if something is not going their way or its too much work for too little success, will these sort of people have the commitment for the fight or will they just move on to further fields anew.

I feel that people in this category do not take second best and that they don't suffer fools or failure gladly. This isn't a dig at VT, far from it, I hope his pride will make him go all out to be top dog in the football world, but the next week may show us which direction he's taking. Was it a calculated gamble with good odds for a huge return for a small investment, was it a long term aim to build a stable club with strong links to the far East, or is it and embarrassment he wishes he hadn't come near.


The Sam? langstone deal is just one issue in this, if the debt is going to shoot up after the date as passed, what is he planning, possibly still gambling on promotion this year then making an offer to Sam, or giving him shares in the club and letting Sam gamble on the outcome of promotion and future success.

As for what's needed for promotion, I think most of us agree that a few million pounds more investment in the Jan window should see us get there, do they sack DJ, I don't think they should, give him is pot and re-negotiate his bonus, something like here's 5 million spend it wisely get us up and you'll keep the bonus Ridsdaale promised you, however fail and you are sacked and there's no bonus.


Who knows how it will pan out, but I feel we will have a better ideaa pretty soon/

what do you think will happen gwyn?

i like the end piece,,,,,,, fail , and you get no bonus

The next week or two may be an indicator to VT's vision or commitment to the club.
The man is mega rich and a very successful business man, when you have that wealth at your disposal does the drive to make the next billion spur you on, or does the success from every positive deal rock your boat so to speak.

What I am getting at is people like Vt and Abramovich obviously are competitive and want to be top of whatever pile they are in, biggest yacht, biggest island, biggest jet fastest car etc.But if something is not going their way or its too much work for too little success, will these sort of people have the commitment for the fight or will they just move on to further fields anew.

I feel that people in this category do not take second best and that they don't suffer fools or failure gladly. This isn't a dig at VT, far from it, I hope his pride will make him go all out to be top dog in the football world, but the next week may show us which direction he's taking. Was it a calculated gamble with good odds for a huge return for a small investment, was it a long term aim to build a stable club with strong links to the far East, or is it and embarrassment he wishes he hadn't come near.


The Sam? langstone deal is just one issue in this, if the debt is going to shoot up after the date as passed, what is he planning, possibly still gambling on promotion this year then making an offer to Sam, or giving him shares in the club and letting Sam gamble on the outcome of promotion and future success.

As for what's needed for promotion, I think most of us agree that a few million pounds more investment in the Jan window should see us get there, do they sack DJ, I don't think they should, give him is pot and re-negotiate his bonus, something like here's 5 million spend it wisely get us up and you'll keep the bonus Ridsdaale promised you, however fail and you are sacked and there's no bonus.


Who knows how it will pan out, but I feel we will have a better ideaa pretty soon/

what do you think will happen gwyn?

I think they will offer Sam shares and a seat on the board in lieu of the debt, that way Sam shares in the risk/gamble, if it comes off his shares will be worth more and he gets his money back that way, if it goes pear shaped then he still ain't got it back and the debt along with VT's investment just adds to the clubs ongoing debt.

Worrying really, because if they were that committed and that confident and with the financial clout they have you'd think it would be easier to take total control and get the total benefit if it works out. It does appear though business men at this level are always looking to get one over on one another and score points, possibly that's what does it for them.

The next week or two may be an indicator to VT's vision or commitment to the club.
The man is mega rich and a very successful business man, when you have that wealth at your disposal does the drive to make the next billion spur you on, or does the success from every positive deal rock your boat so to speak.

What I am getting at is people like Vt and Abramovich obviously are competitive and want to be top of whatever pile they are in, biggest yacht, biggest island, biggest jet fastest car etc.But if something is not going their way or its too much work for too little success, will these sort of people have the commitment for the fight or will they just move on to further fields anew.

I feel that people in this category do not take second best and that they don't suffer fools or failure gladly. This isn't a dig at VT, far from it, I hope his pride will make him go all out to be top dog in the football world, but the next week may show us which direction he's taking. Was it a calculated gamble with good odds for a huge return for a small investment, was it a long term aim to build a stable club with strong links to the far East, or is it and embarrassment he wishes he hadn't come near.

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The Sam? langstone dealand is just one issue in this, if the debt is going to shoot up after the date as passed, what is he planning, possibly still gambling on promotion this year then making an offer to Sam, or giving him shares in the club and letting Sam gamble on the outcome of promotion and future success.

As for what's needed for promotion, I think most of us agree that a few million pounds more investment in the Jan window should see us get there, do they sack DJ, I don't think they should, give him is pot and re-negotiate his bonus, something like here's 5 million spend it wisely get us up and you'll keep the bonus Ridsdaale promised you, however fail and you are sacked and there's no bonus.


Who knows how it will pan out, but I feel we will have a better ideaa pretty soon/

what do you think will happen gwyn?

I think they will offer Sam shares and a seat on the board in lieu of the debt, that way Sam shares in the risk/gamble, if it comes off his shares will be worth more and he gets his money back that way, if it goes pear shaped then he still ain't got it back and the debt along with VT's investment just adds to the clubs ongoing debt.

Worrying really, because if they were that committed and that confident and with the financial clout they have you'd think it would be easier to take total control and get the total benefit if it works out. It does appear though business men at this level are always looking to get one over on one another and score points, possibly that's what does it for them.

i agree what your saying and it seems that they wont totaly commit to certain things until the summer when they will know where the club is.. ie offering newcastle 1million now and one million in the summer?? what happens to newcastles one million owed if we fail to go up?

any major book maker

Annis?

This is my personal opinion based on researching VT on the internet.

I believe the biggest reason VT is here at Cardiff City is his dream of legalised betting in Malaysia. As a Muslim country gambling is frowned on, but as 48% of the Malaysian population is non-Muslim they are not barred on religious grounds from betting.

It is estimated illegal gambling generates around £2b in Malaysia every year. As the owner of Ascot Sports VT holds the first option on a legalised betting licence should it ever materialise.

Premiership football in Malaysia is massive and if VT was to get a club owned by him (a Malaysian) into the Premiership it would almost certainly result in him gaining a licence, based on the prestige it would bring to that country.

Indeed VT WAS granted a provisional licence earlier this year, however it was withdrawn soon after our play-off defeat to Blackpool with the Government stating they would look at this matter again if there was a significant change in the near future.

Circumstantial evidence may be, but it does seem a hell of a coincidence. On a turnover of over £2b per year VT would be looking at a profit of more than £500m, so £25m per season invested in us as a marketing tool would be easily self financing.

There are also political reasons for getting a Malaysian owned team into the Premiership as it could unite the different factions within Malayan society and VT could also use CCFC as a tool to market other parts of his commercial empire like Cosway.

All in all considering the possible financial rewards investing £50m buying the club, settling its debts, buying players and paying wages seems pretty much chicken feed.

This is my personal opinion based on researching VT on the internet.

I believe the biggest reason VT is here at Cardiff City is his dream of legalised betting in Malaysia. As a Muslim country gambling is frowned on, but as 48% of the Malaysian population is non-Muslim they are not barred on religious grounds from betting.

It is estimated illegal gambling generates around £2b in Malaysia every year. As the owner of Ascot Sports VT holds the first option on a legalised betting licence should it ever materialise.

Premiership football in Malaysia is massive and if VT was to get a club owned by him (a Malaysian) into the Premiership it would almost certainly result in him gaining a licence, based on the prestige it would bring to that country.

Indeed VT WAS granted a provisional licence earlier this year, however it was withdrawn soon after our play-off defeat to Blackpool with the Government stating they would look at this matter again if there was a significant change in the near future.

Circumstantial evidence may be, but it does seem a hell of a coincidence. On a turnover of over £2b per year VT would be looking at a profit of more than £500m, so £25m per season invested in us as a marketing tool would be easily self financing.

There are also political reasons for getting a Malaysian owned team into the Premiership as it could unite the different factions within Malayan society and VT could also use CCFC as a tool to market other parts of his commercial empire like Cosway.

All in all considering the possible financial rewards investing £50m buying the club, settling its debts, buying players and paying wages seems pretty much chicken feed.

Tony

the licence was withdrawn after protests by the religious factions in the country and nothing to do with us not winning the play off final.
It is a measure of tans influence in the country that he got that far in the first place,
i do agree with your reasons for him investing though

This is my personal opinion based on researching VT on the internet.

I believe the biggest reason VT is here at Cardiff City is his dream of legalised betting in Malaysia. As a Muslim country gambling is frowned on, but as 48% of the Malaysian population is non-Muslim they are not barred on religious grounds from betting.

It is estimated illegal gambling generates around £2b in Malaysia every year. As the owner of Ascot Sports VT holds the first option on a legalised betting licence should it ever materialise.

Premiership football in Malaysia is massive and if VT was to get a club owned by him (a Malaysian) into the Premiership it would almost certainly result in him gaining a licence, based on the prestige it would bring to that country.

Indeed VT WAS granted a provisional licence earlier this year, however it was withdrawn soon after our play-off defeat to Blackpool with the Government stating they would look at this matter again if there was a significant change in the near future.

Circumstantial evidence may be, but it does seem a hell of a coincidence. On a turnover of over £2b per year VT would be looking at a profit of more than £500m, so £25m per season invested in us as a marketing tool would be easily self financing.

There are also political reasons for getting a Malaysian owned team into the Premiership as it could unite the different factions within Malayan society and VT could also use CCFC as a tool to market other parts of his commercial empire like Cosway.

All in all considering the possible financial rewards investing £50m buying the club, settling its debts, buying players and paying wages seems pretty much chicken feed.

Surely, if it was all so cut and dried he would be better off buying a team in the Premiership to begin with.

Its all about potential growth and how much or little investment he can get away with, he can clearly see there's a lot of money to be made, what isn't as clear is how much of a punt he's willing to take.

We still have a lot going for us and believe it or not to someone of VT's wealth we obviously have stimulated some juices.

vts billions my arse!!! were still begging other clubs to have players on fuckin tick!!

It was announced there were representatives of the malaysian Govt at the Cov game. Coincidence?

This is my personal opinion based on researching VT on the internet.

I believe the biggest reason VT is here at Cardiff City is his dream of legalised betting in Malaysia. As a Muslim country gambling is frowned on, but as 48% of the Malaysian population is non-Muslim they are not barred on religious grounds from betting.

It is estimated illegal gambling generates around £2b in Malaysia every year. As the owner of Ascot Sports VT holds the first option on a legalised betting licence should it ever materialise.

Premiership football in Malaysia is massive and if VT was to get a club owned by him (a Malaysian) into the Premiership it would almost certainly result in him gaining a licence, based on the prestige it would bring to that country.

Indeed VT WAS granted a provisional licence earlier this year, however it was withdrawn soon after our play-off defeat to Blackpool with the Government stating they would look at this matter again if there was a significant change in the near future.

Circumstantial evidence may be, but it does seem a hell of a coincidence. On a turnover of over £2b per year VT would be looking at a profit of more than £500m, so £25m per season invested in us as a marketing tool would be easily self financing.

There are also political reasons for getting a Malaysian owned team into the Premiership as it could unite the different factions within Malayan society and VT could also use CCFC as a tool to market other parts of his commercial empire like Cosway.

All in all considering the possible financial rewards investing £50m buying the club, settling its debts, buying players and paying wages seems pretty much chicken feed.

Tony

the licence was withdrawn after protests by the religious factions in the country and nothing to do with us not winning the play off final.
It is a measure of tans influence in the country that he got that far in the first place,
i do agree with your reasons for him investing though

Steve I knew someone would answer with that one. Yes there were protests when the licence was 'provisionally' issued in Malaysia. But the licence was issued at the exact same time as the Malaysians began their serious interest in buying Cardiff City (March 2010)

It is a fair point that we will never know if us WINNING the play-off final would have turned that provisional licence into a permanent one, but to understand my point you must look at the political dynamics of Malaysia.

It is a Muslim majority country by a very small percentage (52% Muslims 48% of all others combined) and for that reason gambling for non-Muslims (including the sizable Chinese community) is banned.

Something like a Malaysian owned football team in the Premiership might be enough to tip the balance in favour of legal gambling for non-Muslims.

Remember when we met ‘Josh’ the journalist from the Malaysian star at CCS back in June? He asked us to say ‘One Malaysia, One Cardiff’ in Malaysian which was videotaped. That video was broadcast in Malaysia.

Again I stress this is my opinion based on what I have seen and read, but there must be more to VT owning a Premiership team because we know despite the riches of the Premier League no one but agents and players makes any money out of it.

This is my personal opinion based on researching VT on the internet.

I believe the biggest reason VT is here at Cardiff City is his dream of legalised betting in Malaysia. As a Muslim country gambling is frowned on, but as 48% of the Malaysian population is non-Muslim they are not barred on religious grounds from betting.

It is estimated illegal gambling generates around £2b in Malaysia every year. As the owner of Ascot Sports VT holds the first option on a legalised betting licence should it ever materialise.

Premiership football in Malaysia is massive and if VT was to get a club owned by him (a Malaysian) into the Premiership it would almost certainly result in him gaining a licence, based on the prestige it would bring to that country.

Indeed VT WAS granted a provisional licence earlier this year, however it was withdrawn soon after our play-off defeat to Blackpool with the Government stating they would look at this matter again if there was a significant change in the near future.

Circumstantial evidence may be, but it does seem a hell of a coincidence. On a turnover of over £2b per year VT would be looking at a profit of more than £500m, so £25m per season invested in us as a marketing tool would be easily self financing.

There are also political reasons for getting a Malaysian owned team into the Premiership as it could unite the different factions within Malayan society and VT could also use CCFC as a tool to market other parts of his commercial empire like Cosway.

All in all considering the possible financial rewards investing £50m buying the club, settling its debts, buying players and paying wages seems pretty much chicken feed.

Surely, if it was all so cut and dried he would be better off buying a team in the Premiership to begin with.

The answer to that is timing. The licence was issued in March we were available for £6m with a very good chance of making the Premiership by May if memory serves me right there were no Premiership clubs available at that time for that kind of small initial investment.

OK The gamble didn't pay off, but the Malaysians have always thought buying Cardiff City for £40m and having it debt free was a good price. Also remember we have been told many times their plan is long term so there has to be a reason for that.

Good debate