MY WORRY ABOUT THE MUSLIMS

I am genuinely concerned about the situation and the affect it may have on the vast majority of decent Muslims amongst us.

If, or more likely when it kicks off I would be concerned about the repercussions.
I have met and have been to many Muslim countries,I have quite a few Muslim friends, the religion itself is a gentle caring religion in the main, but as with all extremes and the Christian world have plenty of incidents of extremism, the radical extremists will never be happy or tolerant whilst others see things differently to them.

That is what frightens and annoys me,it should all be about tolerance and consideration, but extremists cannot accept that.

Colour of skin as never been an issue to me, its more a case of people fitting in and accepting one another for what they are.
I would be more than happy to sit next to ten turban wearing Sikhs, ten Muslims with beards to the floor and even a dozen Tibetan monks side by side watching Cardiff, in fact i would relish it the opportunity.(rather than one Jack b*stard,lol)

I would consider myself a Christian, but not a religious person, in fact I don't believe in the vision of God as most do, but I believe I do have a Christian outlook on life and actions speak louder than words.

There is going to be an inevitable worsening of the situation as I see it until it get's to a situation where there will be chaos and violence in every major city and town, I don't know the answer and feel helpless just sitting here waiting for what I feel is inevitable.

Possibly the answer lies with the Muslims themselves, perhaps they could and should disown or expose the radicals amongst them, but how do you tell who is the next suicide bomber, how do we as a country fight an enemy that lives amongst us and don't declare their aims openly, how do our troops fight the Taliban who simply will hide their weapons and sit and live amongst the vast majority of Afghans.

This is why I am concerned for the decent Muslims who are quite often blatantly obvious, because if it kicks off these people will be targeted and blamed, there will be a total us and them mentality and revenge attacks etc. will be the unstoppable outcome.


This is my view and simple opinion in a rare serious moment, helpless to do anything other than wait for it to happen.

Big Gwyn,

I think your sentiments and fears are shared by the vast majority....

It's a ticking time bomb (excuse the pun0.

I agree with what you say - the majority of Muslims are perfectly fine - I've got Muslim friends myself. But there are those that, as with say football hooliganism, that give the whole a bad name.

I can honestly see "race riots" (can't think of a better term) happening. And it's a question of when, not if.

It's a ticking time bomb (excuse the pun0.

I agree with what you say - the majority of Muslims are perfectly fine - I've got Muslim friends myself. But there are those that, as with say football hooliganism, that give the whole a bad name.

I can honestly see "race riots" (can't think of a better term) happening. And it's a question of when, not if.

Agree with both Gwyn and Daffydd

I believe that a lot of our best intelligence comes from the Muslim community itself. They don't want it to kick off either as they know what the result will be. We also need tolerance on all sides. I have a friend who is an Indian by origin. Sikh's and Hindu's are the definition of peaceful people. When they came to this country en masse in the 50's and 60's (after fighting a huge part in WW2 by the way). They were treated with suspicion and scorn. However they made a huge effort to integrate and now are a valued part of society. However due to things like 7/7 and 9/11 he gets stick (including at the City) cos of the colour of his skin. He isn't Muslim, he has never taken a penny from this country. Recently bought his own house which he did with the help of his father as is the way in Indian families. No benefits for them. He is a member of the Armed Forces and has served more than once in Afghanistan. I find with some of the comments on here saying stuff like "I will have a go at any Muslim I come across if they hurt my family."

Can you tell the difference between a Muslim and a Sikh/Hindu not wearing a turban? I can't.

Good posts by Gwyn and Maccydee

I see how much it upsets my muslim friends when they see their religion getting dragged time and time again through the mud by a few idiots and certain newspapers who's only intention is to fan the flames....

I think its easier for some to just bundle everyone into a pile and label them, instead of trying to be intelligent and understand the situation from a wider perspective....

If their not prepared to abide by our laws and our way of life then they should,nt be allowed in to our country in the first place,and if they are found to be radical then they should be deported straight away,it is going to blow one day and the innocent ones will be targeted which will be unfair,i work with a few muslims and even they dont feel safe and we,r in security so we,r vulnerable anyway,its the poxy labour party thats allowed this to happen and this shit government we got now are no better,so il give st davids 2 a miss for a while,shit im working there in the new year,well someones got to do it.

Did the Labour party not bring in all these laws and powers that catch these bastards before they commit their planned murders?

The labour party opened the doors for all this to happen,the tossers did this hopeing those they let in will vote for them,it backfired,this country is the laughing stock of europe.

I don't think blaming any politicians is the answer, this is way beyond politics and it is madness, whether there is one God, two Gods or no Gods, why should so much suffering and hatred be the result.

No its religion,but this as been going on since time begun,im just saying the government are just not doing enough to deal with it,who else is going to sort it.

Good posts by Gwyn and Maccydee

I see how much it upsets my muslim friends when they see their religion getting dragged time and time again through the mud by a few idiots and certain newspapers who's only intention is to fan the flames....

I think its easier for some to just bundle everyone into a pile and label them, instead of trying to be intelligent and understand the situation from a wider perspective....

Just wondering if your Muslim friends would consider getting into the streets with banners with the headings of "NOT IN OUR NAME" AND "ISLAM IS PEACE" ?

I have suggested something like that to happen a while ago,which they agreed with,but its getting all decent and respectable muslims to act together,but like i said they dont feel safe either.

Just wondering if your Muslim friends would consider getting into the streets with banners with the headings of "NOT IN OUR NAME" AND "ISLAM IS PEACE" ?

They're probably too scared out being targeted if they do so.

I don't think blaming any politicians is the answer, this is way beyond politics and it is madness, whether there is one God, two Gods or no Gods, why should so much suffering and hatred be the result.

Is it beyond politicians, though? Part of the reason (although not the whole reason) that 9/11 happened is due to the way American troops invaded several Islamic countries, and that was made as a political reason.

They will be,thats certain,they know that,so theres little anyone can do,apart from emigrate,which i am looking into,have been for a while.

I have suggested something like that to happen a while ago,which they agreed with,but its getting all decent and respectable muslims to act together,but like i said they dont feel safe either.

thing is muslims aint safe anywhere http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... amily.html not even in their own homes!

Good posts by Gwyn and Maccydee

I see how much it upsets my muslim friends when they see their religion getting dragged time and time again through the mud by a few idiots and certain newspapers who's only intention is to fan the flames....

I think its easier for some to just bundle everyone into a pile and label them, instead of trying to be intelligent and understand the situation from a wider perspective....

Just wondering if your Muslim friends would consider getting into the streets with banners with the headings of "NOT IN OUR NAME" AND "ISLAM IS PEACE" ?

its not like they can join forces with the EDL

most of the time anti-protests just draw attention to things that would be better ignored

Is it at all possible that Muslim extremism gets a bit of an easier ride because of groups like the EDL/WDL?

The problems in Britain were caused by the last Labour government. They knew
full well that tension would rise over the years with their mass immigration
policy. It was a deliberate social experiment to change the face of Britain
forever. First they let every Tom Dick and Harry in, then changed the law in
such a way that these different cultures could get preferential treatment re
housing and jobs. THEN... they had millions of new voters who would quite
obviously vote labour, and who would help build Britain on a 'slave labour'
economy. The cleverest thing of all was changing the mindset of the white
middle classes to see 'racism' as an evil Hitler type thing that must be fought
at all costs . Racism/xenophobia/religious bias is no such thing. Its just Human
Nature and ignorance.

For instance. If someone was heard on a university campus or in a college or
in the shopping precinct saying something about "I hate those Irish fuckers"
nobody would bat an eyelid... You may get one or two say "Oi, there's nowt
wrong with the Irish.. but nowt to write home about

Now be honest...

What do you think would happen if someone was heard saying "I hate those pakkis!!"
The shit would hit the fan. The crusties would go nuts, they would want your head

These religious zealots are allowed to spout their hatred in Britain because of the British
establishments totally lopsided views on race. They are 'exercising their right to free speech
no matter how abhorrant it may be" - its what makes Britain great. etc etc etc etc.

Yet erm... 'white racist types' such as the BNP are hounded out, hunted down sacked from their
jobs and the Government even funded the UAF to ensure the BNP are NOT allowed to get their
'racist' message across!! Why not?? are we all so stupid as to listen to the BNP for five minutes
and go out on a driveby and shoot a darky?? Of course not... Its because the BNP DO broach
subjects on immigration and race relations in this country that quite frankly stink.

The UAF go rabid trying to attack 'white nationalists'

Yet their leader Martin Smith, when asked why he didnt get his troops out to shut Anjem Choudary
up just said "Erm thats different what they do!"

Griffin wants black and Asian people out of Britain (lets be honest - he does!!"

Choudary wants Israel wiped off the map and Christians, gays, women, apostates and probably
kids flying kites flogged or hung!...

British Muslims are quiet, simply because they are afraid to be too vociferous in their attacks
against Choudary cos he quotes from the Q'uran... the Q'uran is deemed a perfect book, so
you CANNOT slag it off if you are Muslim. It is such a difficult complicated hypocritical book
to try and understand that most dont bother trying. They accept what the local Imam tells them!!

THIS is where Britain has a serious problem (but chooses to ignore it)... Saudi Arabia is one of the
Worlds richest nations. Saudis swear by the Wahabi form of Islam. Strict, severe Sharia law and
NO christian churches allowed. There are a million Christians working and living in Saudi Arabia but
they are NOT allowed to practice their faith openly. Now.... imagine the Saudis pumping millions
into a new islamic Centre in (for instance) Cardiff.... Can anyone seriously believe they will not try
and influence what is taught in these places!

Paranoid?? I really wish I was

It's a ticking time bomb (excuse the pun0.

I agree with what you say - the majority of Muslims are perfectly fine - I've got Muslim friends myself. But there are those that, as with say football hooliganism, that give the whole a bad name.

I can honestly see "race riots" (can't think of a better term) happening. And it's a question of when, not if.

I agree, problem is (And I know you alluded to this) it's not 'race', it's religion and you can't tell a Muslim by looking at them. so innocent people will get caught up in it.

For instance. If someone was heard on a university campus or in a college or
in the shopping precinct saying something about "I hate those Irish fuckers"
nobody would bat an eyelid... You may get one or two say "Oi, there's nowt
wrong with the Irish.. but nowt to write home about

Now be honest...

What do you think would happen if someone was heard saying "I hate those pakkis!!"
The shit would hit the fan. The crusties would go nuts, they would want your head

Not comparing like for like I'm afraid. If you were to refer to the Irish as Bogtrotters or allude to the potato famine you would get a different response. Paki is a derogatory term - end of. If some one was to say I have thos pakistani fuckers, different story - just my opinion to use a well worn phrase.

If their not prepared to abide by our laws and our way of life then they should,nt be allowed in to our country in the first place,and if they are found to be radical then they should be deported straight away,it is going to blow one day and the innocent ones will be targeted which will be unfair,i work with a few muslims and even they dont feel safe and we,r in security so we,r vulnerable anyway,its the poxy labour party thats allowed this to happen and this shit government we got now are no better,so il give st davids 2 a miss for a while,shit im working there in the new year,well someones got to do it.

Problem is, is that a lot of these extremists were born here, so where do we deport them to (Apart from to Swansea) ?
They should be locked up, no question, but does that make them martyrs ? As you point out, the majority of Muslims do not identify or agree with the radicals so what is the answer ?

Is there anything you can do to them that won't make them martyrs? Execute them, they're nartyrs. Imprison them, they're martyrs. Deport them, they're martyrs

I am genuinely concerned about the situation and the affect it may have on the vast majority of decent Muslims amongst us.

If, or more likely when it kicks off I would be concerned about the repercussions.
I have met and have been to many Muslim countries,I have quite a few Muslim friends, the religion itself is a gentle caring religion in the main, but as with all extremes and the Christian world have plenty of incidents of extremism, the radical extremists will never be happy or tolerant whilst others see things differently to them.

That is what frightens and annoys me,it should all be about tolerance and consideration, but extremists cannot accept that.

Colour of skin as never been an issue to me, its more a case of people fitting in and accepting one another for what they are.
I would be more than happy to sit next to ten turban wearing Sikhs, ten Muslims with beards to the floor and even a dozen Tibetan monks side by side watching Cardiff, in fact i would relish it the opportunity.(rather than one Jack b*stard,lol)

I would consider myself a Christian, but not a religious person, in fact I don't believe in the vision of God as most do, but I believe I do have a Christian outlook on life and actions speak louder than words.

There is going to be an inevitable worsening of the situation as I see it until it get's to a situation where there will be chaos and violence in every major city and town, I don't know the answer and feel helpless just sitting here waiting for what I feel is inevitable.

Possibly the answer lies with the Muslims themselves, perhaps they could and should disown or expose the radicals amongst them, but how do you tell who is the next suicide bomber, how do we as a country fight an enemy that lives amongst us and don't declare their aims openly, how do our troops fight the Taliban who simply will hide their weapons and sit and live amongst the vast majority of Afghans.

This is why I am concerned for the decent Muslims who are quite often blatantly obvious, because if it kicks off these people will be targeted and blamed, there will be a total us and them mentality and revenge attacks etc. will be the unstoppable outcome.


This is my view and simple opinion in a rare serious moment, helpless to do anything other than wait for it to happen.

I agree with you Gwyn, in fact I was saying the same thing only last night.

My Dad is a Bangladeshi Muslim and my Mam was a Welsh catholic, which makes me a right mongrel ! But what it does mean, is that this is very close to home to me. I'm not religious at all, my old man isn't either really, he does everything a Muslim shouldn't drink, gamble etc etc. he's in the club 7 nights a week - so by no means an extremist. Yet when it all kicks off, yes I think it will as well, will he be targeted because of his colour ? i'm sure people who know him will try to defend him and explain who and what he is, but how about people who don't know him ?

I've followed the City for years, used to see Annis quite a bit before games years ago in the Lansdowne (4k attendance times) and been on many RAMS buses over the years and never had an ounce of trouble. Always on the piss in Canton before/after games , never had any issues. All that is up until the last year or so, when I have noticed an increase in racist comments. Not a lot, I don't want to exaggerate it, but nevertheless an increase - and it worries me. I'll fight fire with fire if someone wants to have a go, that bit doesn't bother me, but if there is an increase in comments (I should have explained that the comments are not at me, but kind of general comments - often followed by a 'we don't mean you' comment) around me with a pint in my hand, what chance does the genuine guy with the big beard stand ?

I don't know the answers and I'm not trying to be clever - but it does worry me.

Big Gwyn,

I think your sentiments and fears are shared by the vast majority....

shared by me

not what i was expecting mind gwyn, was opening with the thoughts of reading another of your jokes

but this is no laughing matter

For instance. If someone was heard on a university campus or in a college or
in the shopping precinct saying something about "I hate those Irish fuckers"
nobody would bat an eyelid... You may get one or two say "Oi, there's nowt
wrong with the Irish.. but nowt to write home about

Now be honest...

What do you think would happen if someone was heard saying "I hate those pakkis!!"
The shit would hit the fan. The crusties would go nuts, they would want your head

Not comparing like for like I'm afraid. If you were to refer to the Irish as Bogtrotters or allude to the potato famine you would get a different response. Paki is a derogatory term - end of. If some one was to say I have thos pakistani fuckers, different story - just my opinion to use a well worn phrase.

Right. I can see why you find Pakki a derogatory term, and id tend to agree with you.
However. I call someone a Pakki and he tells the police and there's every chance i will
end up in court, fined, and fucked for a lot of future jobs cos of the CRB checks.

If someone called me a sheepshagger I doubt very much the authorities would persue
the feller with the same ferocity... yet he's basically accusing me of bestiality!!

Not making light of this... But Parity is what the government should be looking for

For instance. If someone was heard on a university campus or in a college or
in the shopping precinct saying something about "I hate those Irish fuckers"
nobody would bat an eyelid... You may get one or two say "Oi, there's nowt
wrong with the Irish.. but nowt to write home about

Now be honest...

What do you think would happen if someone was heard saying "I hate those pakkis!!"
The shit would hit the fan. The crusties would go nuts, they would want your head

Not comparing like for like I'm afraid. If you were to refer to the Irish as Bogtrotters or allude to the potato famine you would get a different response. Paki is a derogatory term - end of. If some one was to say I have thos pakistani fuckers, different story - just my opinion to use a well worn phrase.

Right. I can see why you find Pakki a derogatory term, and id tend to agree with you.
However. I call someone a Pakki and he tells the police and there's every chance i will
end up in court, fined, and fucked for a lot of future jobs cos of the CRB checks.

If someone called me a sheepshagger I doubt very much the authorities would persue
the feller with the same ferocity... yet he's basically accusing me of bestiality!!

Not making light of this... But Parity is what the government should be looking for

surely you must be aware of the history behind the term and the sentiment that comes with it......

For instance. If someone was heard on a university campus or in a college or
in the shopping precinct saying something about "I hate those Irish fuckers"
nobody would bat an eyelid... You may get one or two say "Oi, there's nowt
wrong with the Irish.. but nowt to write home about

Now be honest...

What do you think would happen if someone was heard saying "I hate those pakkis!!"
The shit would hit the fan. The crusties would go nuts, they would want your head

Not comparing like for like I'm afraid. If you were to refer to the Irish as Bogtrotters or allude to the potato famine you would get a different response. Paki is a derogatory term - end of. If some one was to say I have thos pakistani fuckers, different story - just my opinion to use a well worn phrase.

Right. I can see why you find Pakki a derogatory term, and id tend to agree with you.
However. I call someone a Pakki and he tells the police and there's every chance i will
end up in court, fined, and fucked for a lot of future jobs cos of the CRB checks.

If someone called me a sheepshagger I doubt very much the authorities would persue
the feller with the same ferocity... yet he's basically accusing me of bestiality!!

Not making light of this... But Parity is what the government should be looking for

surely you must be aware of the history behind the term and the sentiment that comes with it......

Of course I am. My point is...

Pakki, sheepshagger,thick mick,chinky, kike, yido, MALTESER (that was my nickname til
i left Wales and became a "sheepshagger"!!) etc etc etc etc...

Why should the use of one derogatory description of a race be streamlined through
the courts more than another. Why should one cause more uproar than another. Stop
all or stop none of them.

I'm serious.

Every time a job in this country is advertised "we welcome applicants from ethnic backgrounds"
it hammers a nail in the coffin of multiculturalism... Can you advertise "We welcome applicants
from white backgrounds?" of course not.

Either we are all equal or we are not! f**k me I've worked with Asian and black kids that had more
brains in their little finger than I had in my head, colour dont/shouldnt count for shit.

But it does. Employers are absolutely shit-scared of being brought up in front of the courts for
race related crimes... its gone too far.

a muslim woman refusing to serve alcohol in Tesco?? well f*cking sack her. If the job involves
serving alcohol, she either does it or fucks off and gets a job in a milk shake shop. Can you
imagine a 'white christian' male refusing to serve Halal meat?? Bye bye your
sacked!!!

THESE are fundamental reasons why tension is rising between communities.

Black people (and Asians) were discriminated against for jobs/housing years ago, that was
totally wrong. But you cannot address the balance by showing favouritism now. Or the cycle
will be endless

The problem with that term is that it gets hurled at people that aren't even of Pakistani origin which proves its spite, it gets thrown at Indians, Bengali's and even Arabs....its an indiscriminate derogatory term used to victimise people of a certain colour....

Sheep Shagger, Carrot Cruncher, Garlic Muncher, Malteaser do not hold the same history or connotation.....