DAVE JONES IS OUR....

MOST SUCCESSFUL MANAGER EVER

FA CUP FINAL
PLAY OFF CUP FINAL
HIGHEST LEAGUE POSITION IN YEARS
BEST PLAYERS EVER? BELLAMY, KOUMAS, CHOPRA!
1ST MANAGER EVER TO HAVE AN ENGLAND INTERNATIONAL IN THE TEAM.


BUT



TACTICAL WEAK
BIG GAMES HE BOTTLES
CANT CONTROL BIG PLAYERS





DO THE NEGATIVES OUTWEIGH THE POSITIVES?





WHAT DO YOU THINK?

Would Arsene Wenger get sacker right now because Arsenal are 2nd in the league?


Would Jose Mourhino get sacked because Real Madrid are 2nd in the league?



I don't think so! So why would Dave Jones get sacked if we are second in the league?

But is he our most successful manager? Lost the FA cup final and lost the playoff final.

But is he our most successful manager? Lost the FA cup final and lost the playoff final.

Who else got us to the FA cup final or one game away from the premiership in the last 70 years?



I think he should be sacked, i just want people opinions

we were last in the top flight 48 years ago

we were last in the top flight 48 years ago

ok lol, im to young to even know that,

but he has got to be our most succesful manager ever hasnt he?



DJ OUT

Chippy, Just a few points


Having the Biggest Wage out side The Premiership.
Having Spent more money on Transfers and WAGES IN THE HISTORY OF CARDIFF CITY.
No Respect for Our Fans.
Claims Our Club HAS NO HISTORY.
Great Managers Win Trophies/Titles and Promotions, Jones is yet to Win One.
Cant be Bothered With Our player of the year Do(First time in 25 years had to be cancelled), Childrens Xmas do etc etc.
Anti Welsh.
Anti Welsh Youngsters coming through.
Brings injury prone players on old pals act or Donkeys Like Naylor/Keogh/Kennedy/Cooper etc
Over paid players like Eddie Johnson/Fowler/Hasslebank/Hudson/Sinclair/Koumas even My Mate Warren Feeney was Stunned by his Wage.
His type of striker is Eddie Johnson, £20,000 a week for a Season.
IN 112 GAMES, WHEN WE ARE 1 NIL DOWN DAVE JONES IN NEARLY 6 YEARS HAS NOW COME BACK TO WIN APPROX 9 GAMES,WORST RECORD IN HISTORY FOR A LEAGUE MANAGER.

Just a FEW OF MY REASONS WHY I FEEL HE SHOULD NOT BE OUR MANAGER or BE APPRECIATED, Just MY OPINION WITH FACTS TO BACK IT UP.

I noticed the Echo today is saying he's been given an ultimatum by Tan to turn the results around. He responded well to the last ultimatum he was given a few years back, but why does he have to have these to make him turn things around? He should have enough nous without being cajoled into it

I noticed the Echo today is saying he's been given an ultimatum by Tan to turn the results around. He responded well to the last ultimatum he was given a few years back, but why does he have to have these to make him turn things around? He should have enough nous without being cajoled into it

Bloody Echo that was in Carls update Tonight .

we were last in the top flight 48 years ago

ok lol, im to young to even know that,

but he has got to be our most succesful manager ever hasnt he?



DJ OUT

Chippy, Wheres your Avitar ?

I still think that unless things go horribly wrong in the next 4 weeks, we should stick with Jones until the end of the season. I can't think of many managers out there who would be keen to come to us right now who could do a better job. It does confuse me a bit how people are wanting his head when we're second in the league and he's improved on our position last season AGAIN.

Everyone is allowed their views of course but it does have me concerned that to the outside world we look a bit like Newcastle fans at the moment!

Having Spent more money on Transfers and WAGES IN THE HISTORY OF CARDIFF CITY. - It's a different time period, I bet around 90%of teams in England are spending more on wages than ever before.

Great Managers Win Trophies/Titles and Promotions, Jones is yet to Win One. - He hasn't had a trophy winning target until the past few seasons, and he's come very close twice, and even though we're dipping in form, we're still on course for promotion.

Anti Welsh.
Anti Welsh Youngsters coming through. - What?

Brings injury prone players on old pals act or Donkeys Like Naylor/Keogh/Kennedy/Cooper etc - Left back has been an issue for us for years. Kennedy was fairly solid anyway, I don't recall him spending much time in the doctors office either.

Over paid players like Eddie Johnson/Fowler/Hasslebank/Hudson/Sinclair/Koumas even My Mate Warren Feeney was Stunned by his Wage. - Who are we blaming for this again? Does it just apply to whoever the fans want to leave?

Would Arsene Wenger get sacker right now because Arsenal are 2nd in the league?


Would Jose Mourhino get sacked because Real Madrid are 2nd in the league?



I don't think so! So why would Dave Jones get sacked if we are second in the league?

1) There is talk that Wenger's time is running out after 5 years without a trophy.

2) I've read somewhere just today that Madrid are planning on giving Ancelotti a way out of CHelsea

3) I think past history gives a good explanation

I'm really torn on this one, yes we're second in the league but I'm concerned that recent history will repeat (last season, the season before and then the season we beat Birmingham to go top and then had a dreadful run of form which pushed us out the play offs). Jones needs to be given a few more games to show he can turn this around, my concern is that he hasn't in the past and I don't know if he will again and I'm starting to get the feeling that when he gets it 'right' its more by luck than astute judgement.

What's the point if he bottles everything? We will never get anywhere!! Needs to be replaced with a winner , a lot of managers would kill to come here with our squad, facilities and on DJs salary!

Successful = winning trophies? Jones has won nothing therefore he isnt successful is he?

When you think about the money he's had to spend, the squads he's assembled the time he's had to do it, and the closeness of reaching the brink of top flight football, you could probably say he's been pretty UN-successful!

I agree that we shouldn't sack Jones unless there is a nailed on replacement for him, He needs a good run of games to secure the rest of the season, however, if we slump through december, Maybe a change will do us good?

Summary: Will Dave Jones always be known as the nearly man ? I cant see him winning anything in his managerial career.

I still think that unless things go horribly wrong in the next 4 weeks, we should stick with Jones until the end of the season. I can't think of many managers out there who would be keen to come to us right now who could do a better job. It does confuse me a bit how people are wanting his head when we're second in the league and he's improved on our position last season AGAIN.

Everyone is allowed their views of course but it does have me concerned that to the outside world we look a bit like Newcastle fans at the moment!

I can remember the same argument being spouted after the 6-0 loss at Preston. At the time it was repeated time and again, "We are still in a play-off position it would be mad to sack Jones now"

Mad it might have been, but if the club had been bold enough and changed manager then, CCFC might have competed in that years play-off games because they certainly didn't do so by showing faith in Jones.

I noticed the Echo today is saying he's been given an ultimatum by Tan to turn the results around. He responded well to the last ultimatum he was given a few years back, but why does he have to have these to make him turn things around? He should have enough nous without being cajoled into it

Bloody Echo that was in Carls update Tonight .

Put another slant on this, if we win our next 2 league games, teams around us drop points and we move, say, 6 points clear of 2nd place, what will people be saying then, especially TG and VT, who are the people who's opinion will really count for something? Will they be looking at our ideal placing for the second half of the season? Or will they be looking to sack a manager who has the club ideally placed for the second half of the season?

I can remember the same argument being spouted after the 6-0 loss at Preston. At the time it was repeated time and again, "We are still in a play-off position it would be mad to sack Jones now"

Mad it might have been, but if the club had been bold enough and changed manager then, CCFC might have competed in that years play-off games because they certainly didn't do so by showing faith in Jones.

Sacking a manager at that point in the season would have been mad and, even with hindsight, it still would have been mad

Christmas is the perfect chance for boards and chairmen to judge their managers. A few games close together and then the January window straight after. If managers who are on the cusp perform badly then it's an ideal opportunity for the board to bring in someone new. How often has it worked before though? Is changing a manager mid-season ever successful?

If Jones has a bad Christmas and by bad I mean winless or only winning one and dropping down to 4th or 5th then I can seriously see his job being in danger. I have confidence though that we could well go Christmas unbeaten.

But is he our most successful manager? Lost the FA cup final and lost the playoff final.

Who else got us to the FA cup final or one game away from the premiership in the last 70 years?


Jimmy Scoular (in 1970 I think ) got us within 1 match of the first division. We were thumped by Sheffield United and lost out.

Chippy, Just a few points


Having the Biggest Wage out side The Premiership.
Having Spent more money on Transfers and WAGES IN THE HISTORY OF CARDIFF CITY.
No Respect for Our Fans.
Claims Our Club HAS NO HISTORY.
Great Managers Win Trophies/Titles and Promotions, Jones is yet to Win One.
Cant be Bothered With Our player of the year Do(First time in 25 years had to be cancelled), Childrens Xmas do etc etc.
Anti Welsh.
Anti Welsh Youngsters coming through.
Brings injury prone players on old pals act or Donkeys Like Naylor/Keogh/Kennedy/Cooper etc
Over paid players like Eddie Johnson/Fowler/Hasslebank/Hudson/Sinclair/Koumas even My Mate Warren Feeney was Stunned by his Wage.
His type of striker is Eddie Johnson, £20,000 a week for a Season.
IN 112 GAMES, WHEN WE ARE 1 NIL DOWN DAVE JONES IN NEARLY 6 YEARS HAS NOW COME BACK TO WIN APPROX 9 GAMES,WORST RECORD IN HISTORY FOR A LEAGUE MANAGER.

Just a FEW OF MY REASONS WHY I FEEL HE SHOULD NOT BE OUR MANAGER or BE APPRECIATED, Just MY OPINION WITH FACTS TO BACK IT UP.

Wow this is an excellent post ( but very depressing )

To be honest lads, I don't think making comparisons is fair because football has changed so much. I mean, our FA Cup run wasn't the hardest but we still got there. I'm not sure if Dave Jones is one of the greatest managers we've had but he's a very good one. Of course, he's not faultless. We wouldn't have him if he wasn't. He's leagues better than the shit we've had in the past though like Alan Cork, Bobby Gould and Russell Osman!

I would say given the circumstances he's worked under he has achieved a hell of a lot and maybe that is why he's struggling now. He's not used to the pressure that comes with financial backing because he's worked on a shoe string for so long. I mean £1m for Hudson was mistake number one! We could have signed Scott Sinclair for that and had some left over, plus had a better centre back partnership with Blake and Gerrard there! Hindsight is great though.

If we have a bad Christmas and New Year but stay in 2nd or, say drop down to 3rd but are still in touch, points-wise if we get rid of Jones it could take us a few weeks to find a suitable replacement. In that time, we could drop even further down the league and even further behind in points. What would people hinestly be saying then? And what if the new manager adopts a new playing style the players have to get used to? If we sack Jones, it could push us even further away from promotion

chippy FFS.

I noticed the Echo today is saying he's been given an ultimatum by Tan to turn the results around. He responded well to the last ultimatum he was given a few years back, but why does he have to have these to make him turn things around? He should have enough nous without being cajoled into it

Bloody Echo that was in Carls update Tonight .

have they stolen my thread from yesterday

I noticed the Echo today is saying he's been given an ultimatum by Tan to turn the results around. He responded well to the last ultimatum he was given a few years back, but why does he have to have these to make him turn things around? He should have enough nous without being cajoled into it

Bloody Echo that was in Carls update Tonight .

told u to get him to put it up last night

Im not sure I agree that he struggles with big players, he did alright with Fowler and jimy even if they werent the best signings. Also got the best out of Jay when others couldnt and Koumas (last time). He may struggle with Bellamy a bit but then I think every manager has

Im not sure I agree that he struggles with big players, he did alright with Fowler and jimy even if they werent the best signings. Also got the best out of Jay when others couldnt and Koumas (last time). He may struggle with Bellamy a bit but then I think every manager has

Luke, I honestly believe DJ Struggled Big time with Fowler, and even more because of the type of Wage We were paying Fowler.

Would Arsene Wenger get sacker right now because Arsenal are 2nd in the league?


Would Jose Mourhino get sacked because Real Madrid are 2nd in the league?



I don't think so! So why would Dave Jones get sacked if we are second in the league?

Arsenal and Real Madrid don't need promotion for survival. Promotion is a must for City in my opinion. Jones will fall on the sword if Tan feels he's not going to take the Club to promotion whatever us fans feel.

But is he our most successful manager? Lost the FA cup final and lost the playoff final.

Who else got us to the FA cup final or one game away from the premiership in the last 70 years?



I think he should be sacked, i just want people opinions

It's my opinion he's had the most resources too in the last 70 years.