MARK HUDSON

Needs a spell on the bench, every game he gets in the side wether he has played well or bad.

Every other player who has a stinker gets dropped by DJ, but Hudson never does.

Surely a change is needed, why not play Gyepes and Blake, Gyepes seems more confident and plays better when Hudson is not next to him, in my opinion Hudson makes Gyepes nervous.

Or perhaps Riggott and Gyepes if Riggott ever gets fit enough.

Gypes should be experienced enough to not be nervous.
I used to really like Gypes but he has been poor this season and even poorer last season.

Hudson has 1 good game followed by an average followed by a nightmare.

It has to be one of Hudson and Gypes alongside Riggot or Blake and sadly I think Hudson is the best option

He is one of Daves favorites and never gets dropped. He is just to cumbersome and slow but Dave refuses to see it.

Needs a spell on the bench, every game he gets in the side wether he has played well or bad.

Every other player who has a stinker gets dropped by DJ, but Hudson never does.

Surely a change is needed, why not play Gyepes and Blake, Gyepes seems more confident and plays better when Hudson is not next to him, in my opinion Hudson makes Gyepes nervous.

Or perhaps Riggott and Gyepes if Riggott ever gets fit enough.

Another Hudson post, He has been our most consistent defender this season.Lay off him FFS. Gypes needs to be dropped pronto he has been shocking this season.

Needs a spell on the bench, every game he gets in the side wether he has played well or bad.

Every other player who has a stinker gets dropped by DJ, but Hudson never does.

Surely a change is needed, why not play Gyepes and Blake, Gyepes seems more confident and plays better when Hudson is not next to him, in my opinion Hudson makes Gyepes nervous.

Or perhaps Riggott and Gyepes if Riggott ever gets fit enough.

Another Hudson post, He has been our most consistent defender this season.Lay off him FFS. Gypes needs to be dropped pronto he has been shocking this season.

At times this season they have both been shocking, Gyepes gets dropped when he has a stinker but Hudson never does, that is the point i am making, which i am totally entitled to.

Needs a spell on the bench, every game he gets in the side wether he has played well or bad.

Every other player who has a stinker gets dropped by DJ, but Hudson never does.

Surely a change is needed, why not play Gyepes and Blake, Gyepes seems more confident and plays better when Hudson is not next to him, in my opinion Hudson makes Gyepes nervous.

Or perhaps Riggott and Gyepes if Riggott ever gets fit enough.

Another Hudson post, He has been our most consistent defender this season.Lay off him FFS. Gypes needs to be dropped pronto he has been shocking this season.

At times this season they have both been shocking, Gyepes gets dropped when he has a stinker but Hudson never does, that is the point i am making, which i am totally entitled to.

Yes you are Nobby, Hudson is not great but he is the best of a very bad bunch.I think we will be a lot better if him and Riggott play together.Hudson could score a hatrick or be Man of the match every game yet would still get slated and be public enemy number one with most fans.

Yes you are Nobby, Hudson is not great but he is the best of a very bad bunch.I think we will be a lot better if him and Riggott play together.Hudson could score a hatrick or be Man of the match every game yet would still get slated and be public enemy number one with most fans. [/quote]

Mcnaughton has been our best defender this season in my opinion, although he has had a few stinkers to.

Hudson, Gyepes and Naylor are shit and should never be first choice, all league one players in my opinion. Why cant we keep clean sheets, why are we losing games, its because of the defence that is our weak link and Hudson is part of it, he took Charlton down with his shit defending and he will keep us in this league again.

I agree nobby dj makes its quite obvious he has his favourites hudson can do no wrong

Gyepes should be dropped and never appear in a CCFC shirt ever again, unless we sell him to Coventry

Needs a spell on the bench, every game he gets in the side wether he has played well or bad.

Every other player who has a stinker gets dropped by DJ, but Hudson never does.

Surely a change is needed, why not play Gyepes and Blake, Gyepes seems more confident and plays better when Hudson is not next to him, in my opinion Hudson makes Gyepes nervous.

Or perhaps Riggott and Gyepes if Riggott ever gets fit enough.

Another Hudson post, He has been our most consistent defender this season.Lay off him FFS. Gypes needs to be dropped pronto he has been shocking this season.

Hudson is playing out of his skin just to be average. Too quiet, too slow, too easy
to turn. His saving grace is that communication between him and Gypes is so poor
that Gabor is made to look even worse!

Needs a spell on the bench, every game he gets in the side wether he has played well or bad.

Every other player who has a stinker gets dropped by DJ, but Hudson never does.

Surely a change is needed, why not play Gyepes and Blake, Gyepes seems more confident and plays better when Hudson is not next to him, in my opinion Hudson makes Gyepes nervous.

Or perhaps Riggott and Gyepes if Riggott ever gets fit enough.

never have a disagreed more, hudson has consitantly been our best centre back and defender bar KM.

will bellamy get dropped? no.
was mcphail dropped 2 season's ago? no.
was kennedy dropped? no.
was chopra dropped when mccormack was here? no.

why should hudson be any different, he's the club captain and he just gets far to much stick.

Needs a spell on the bench, every game he gets in the side wether he has played well or bad.

Every other player who has a stinker gets dropped by DJ, but Hudson never does.

Surely a change is needed, why not play Gyepes and Blake, Gyepes seems more confident and plays better when Hudson is not next to him, in my opinion Hudson makes Gyepes nervous.

Or perhaps Riggott and Gyepes if Riggott ever gets fit enough.

So, when was this time when Gyepes played without Hudson ?
Not this season, so must have been last year when he played alongside Gerrard. Now off the top of my head I remember it wasnt many games, but involved ots of defeats, thrashings at Newcastle and Preston, an embarrassing defeat at home to Barnsley and eventually an injury to gerrard and sending off for Gyepes in the same game which resulted in us playing with 9 and Quinn and Capaldi at centre half holding out against Leicester.

Hudson hasnt got dropped because he hasnt had a stinker this year. Given MOM again on Saturday by many papers (again). By far our best defender this season. About time he was given a bit of credit by our fans.

Needs a spell on the bench, every game he gets in the side wether he has played well or bad.

Every other player who has a stinker gets dropped by DJ, but Hudson never does.

Surely a change is needed, why not play Gyepes and Blake, Gyepes seems more confident and plays better when Hudson is not next to him, in my opinion Hudson makes Gyepes nervous.

Or perhaps Riggott and Gyepes if Riggott ever gets fit enough.

So, when was this time when Gyepes played without Hudson ?
Not this season, so must have been last year when he played alongside Gerrard. Now off the top of my head I remember it wasnt many games, but involved ots of defeats, thrashings at Newcastle and Preston, an embarrassing defeat at home to Barnsley and eventually an injury to gerrard and sending off for Gyepes in the same game which resulted in us playing with 9 and Quinn and Capaldi at centre half holding out against Leicester.

Hudson hasnt got dropped because he hasnt had a stinker this year. Given MOM again on Saturday by many papers (again). By far our best defender this season. About time he was given a bit of credit by our fans.

Credit? I doubt he has a Gas Meter.

Hudson is a woeful centre half, he can't pass, he's weak considering his size, gets caught out of position many times, turns slower than the QE2, and fans want to offer him credit? There are the negatives of his game, I look forward to reading any positives

Needs a spell on the bench, every game he gets in the side wether he has played well or bad.

Every other player who has a stinker gets dropped by DJ, but Hudson never does.

Surely a change is needed, why not play Gyepes and Blake, Gyepes seems more confident and plays better when Hudson is not next to him, in my opinion Hudson makes Gyepes nervous.

Or perhaps Riggott and Gyepes if Riggott ever gets fit enough.

So, when was this time when Gyepes played without Hudson ?
Not this season, so must have been last year when he played alongside Gerrard. Now off the top of my head I remember it wasnt many games, but involved ots of defeats, thrashings at Newcastle and Preston, an embarrassing defeat at home to Barnsley and eventually an injury to gerrard and sending off for Gyepes in the same game which resulted in us playing with 9 and Quinn and Capaldi at centre half holding out against Leicester.

Hudson hasnt got dropped because he hasnt had a stinker this year. Given MOM again on Saturday by many papers (again). By far our best defender this season. About time he was given a bit of credit by our fans.

Credit? I doubt he has a Gas Meter.

Hudson is a woeful centre half, he can't pass, he's weak considering his size, gets caught out of position many times, turns slower than the QE2, and fans want to offer him credit? There are the negatives of his game, I look forward to reading any positives

Funny considering he's allegedly so poor that he's played 200+ games in the Championship, (including a few in the premiership) finished in the play-offs 3 times, including one promotion(and 2nd at the moment), been picked as captain by Pardew, Jones and Warnock and also picked by Dowie and Taylor.

His positives,
- he reads the game very well
- covers and blocks well
- tackles well
- is good in the air (wins the vast majority of headers he has)
- CAN pass, take a closer look, the vast majority of his passing is good - often he ends up having to hit it long as everyone runs forward instead of coming short and going wide. For a centre half his passing is good.
- he's brave
- never gives away a penalty, timing is very good.

He's performed well all season - is one of our most consistent players and deserves credit for that.

I watch the centre halfs closely - nore so that other positions as thats where I played for years, and I'm amazed at how many fans get this one so wrong.

His weaknesses,

Well yes, pace, but no more so than Gyepes (who I reckon is slower) and Gerrard who was slow even before he put the extra weight on. also no slower than the majority of centre halfs we come against.

I also think he could be a bit more aggressive, he rarely gets booked and never sent off, sometimes I feel he should hand a bit of pain out.

I'd also like to see him push out a bit as often he seems to back off too much, partly due to the fact our midfiled is desperately slow to get back to cover - Oli has been terrible in this aspect recently.

Needs a spell on the bench, every game he gets in the side wether he has played well or bad.

Every other player who has a stinker gets dropped by DJ, but Hudson never does.

Surely a change is needed, why not play Gyepes and Blake, Gyepes seems more confident and plays better when Hudson is not next to him, in my opinion Hudson makes Gyepes nervous.

Or perhaps Riggott and Gyepes if Riggott ever gets fit enough.

never have a disagreed more, hudson has consitantly been our best centre back and defender bar KM.

will bellamy get dropped? no.
was mcphail dropped 2 season's ago? no.
was kennedy dropped? no.
was chopra dropped when mccormack was here? no.

why should hudson be any different, he's the club captain and he just gets far to much stick.

He isnt good enough

The fact that he stands out as one of our better defenders is f*cking terrifying

Yes you are Nobby, Hudson is not great but he is the best of a very bad bunch.I think we will be a lot better if him and Riggott play together.Hudson could score a hatrick or be Man of the match every game yet would still get slated and be public enemy number one with most fans.

Mcnaughton has been our best defender this season in my opinion, although he has had a few stinkers to.

Hudson, Gyepes and Naylor are shit and should never be first choice, all league one players in my opinion. Why cant we keep clean sheets, why are we losing games, its because of the defence that is our weak link and Hudson is part of it, he took Charlton down with his shit defending and he will keep us in this league again.[/quote]


Here we go, more digs without thought. You do realise that Hudson had 8 or 9 different centre half partners at Charlton.

If he was shit they would have dropped him. Don't you consider that the fact that they had so many others play there meant that they had real problems which were unrelated to Hudson, and that was not just at the back - it was all over the pitch.

What about his time at Palace when he went up with them and also got them to the play-offs a couple of years later ? Funny how I never see any mention of that.

As for McNaughton, he has played well in the last few games I've seen, but was inconsistent at the start of the season -probably held back by his dodgy hamstring, which fingers crossed seems to have improved lately.

Needs a spell on the bench, every game he gets in the side wether he has played well or bad.

Every other player who has a stinker gets dropped by DJ, but Hudson never does.

Surely a change is needed, why not play Gyepes and Blake, Gyepes seems more confident and plays better when Hudson is not next to him, in my opinion Hudson makes Gyepes nervous.

Or perhaps Riggott and Gyepes if Riggott ever gets fit enough.

never have a disagreed more, hudson has consitantly been our best centre back and defender bar KM.

will bellamy get dropped? no.
was mcphail dropped 2 season's ago? no.
was kennedy dropped? no.
was chopra dropped when mccormack was here? no.

why should hudson be any different, he's the club captain and he just gets far to much stick.

He isnt good enough

The fact that he stands out as one of our better defenders is f*cking terrifying

Good enough for what though ?

He's not good enough for the premier league, granted, but he's better than most Championship defenders - certainly the ones I've seen. People who say he's league 1 etc.. are just being ridiculous. Just look at his career .

If we can get Mills and Williams in then great, (wont be holding my breath), maybe Riggot will come through, but we'll need another as well even if he does, but until we do then Hudson is the best we've got and really doesnt deserve the constant criticism he gets from a few people.

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hudson, is not a premiership player, people say he lacks pace. granted he does, but if your a centre half with pace your probabley playing premiership football anyway.

he throws he body at everything, rarely looses a header, wins the 50,50's.
yes he makes mistakes but so does terry, so does ferdinand the list goes on...

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hudson, is not a premiership player, people say he lacks pace. granted he does, but if your a centre half with pace your probabley playing premiership football anyway.

he throws he body at everything, rarely looses a header, wins the 50,50's.
yes he makes mistakes but so does terry, so does ferdinand the list goes on...

A centre half with pace is a centre forward

I actually don't think he's terrible - the way he plays makes him look not upto the standard, but I think he is just about. No one can look good the way we're playing at the moment. Thought he played very well against reading, even qpr. Him and super kev are having to do the work of two men with naylor and gyppo in the team

One thing I'd like to add - about his passing. I think him having to hoof it is a trait of all dave jones teams. I remember Loovens hoofing it, Purse, even Johnson. It just so happens that when we have a bad run of form, his teams become impatient and try to force the matter by hitting it long all the time. Endemic of Dave Jones.

In January, whoever is in charge of the team needs to buy a big imposing, yet speedy, defender that will complement Hudson properly.

I can not make a choice in my view besides Mcnaughton they have all been poor Naylor Hudson and Gypes and have cost us loads of games this season none of them have been good.

The reason people have turned on Hudson is he was poor last season and this but Dave Jones does not drop him he will slag off Mathews Gypes but never Hudson.

Also Hudson is on a very high wage and cost us a million all our other defenders didnt cost that.

Also Hudson is on a very high wage and cost us a million all our other defenders didnt cost that.

That's an excellent point actually. I don't want to seem like I was defending Hudson (pun there), he cost a lot both in wages and fee. I just think realistically we won't get two quality centre backs in January, so a case of being stuck with one of them.

DJ already made rumblings about the defence last Saturday (though I think Defence is a team effort and if those in front of the back four, don't do their job the defence will eventually suffer, never mind the fact that we lost to a penalty, that was dodgy but DJ wouldn't dare criticise the forward line).

I think we'll see:
Marshall
Blake Hudson Riggot McNaughton
Burke Oly Whitts Drinkwater Bellamy
Bothroyd

Unless he grows up and plays Chopra (in stead of Drinkwater).

Not a championship defender. Woeful, and a bottler to boot. Just look at how he always passes on big strikers to his junior partners, Howard to Darcy in playoff semi is a classic example.

Someone said a strong point is his tackling. I say bollocks. If an attacker gets him square he flops. EVERY TIME.

The Charlton fans laughed at us when we forked out a mill for Hudson. They were right to.

To keep things positive, I will say that he's supposed to be a nice guy and to be fair he always salutes the fans (one of the only ones).

Not a championship defender. Woeful, and a bottler to boot. Just look at how he always passes on big strikers to his junior partners, Howard to Darcy in playoff semi is a classic example.

Someone said a strong point is his tackling. I say bollocks. If an attacker gets him square he flops. EVERY TIME.

The Charlton fans laughed at us when we forked out a mill for Hudson. They were right to.

To keep things positive, I will say that he's supposed to be a nice guy and to be fair he always salutes the fans (one of the only ones).

Howard was never 'passed on' to Blake. He dropped off and stood on Blake. what was Hudson supposed to do -get dragged 20 yards out of position to hold Blake's hand ?? The game is not that complicated when you think about it. If you are a 6ft 3 centre forward and the opposition has a 5 ft 10 cenrte half you target him. Simple.
If Blake is a Championship defender he should be able to cope - if he cant hack it then play someone who can, not expect the other centre half to carry him.

As for tackling - I really dont understand what you are saying, what I see is him taking the ball off people when they run at him. The 'flopping' reference doesnt make any sense.

Couldnt give a f**k what Charlton fans thought of him. The lad got promoted with palace and also got into the play-offs with them before he joined them, he was never going to be liked there. They are probably a load of clueless bitter twats anyway.

A million pounds was too much for him - decent Championship defender -few hundred thousand, but thats not his fault, just like it wasnt for peter Thorne who got slagged off by fans who didnt have a clue about the game as well.

Get Johnson and Loovens back and I'll agree to drop him, but to suggest dropping him now for Gyepes, Blake etc.. is just plain stupid.

Maybe Riggot will come good, but even then Hudson will be the first choice to play alongside him until we get someone better.

Also Hudson is on a very high wage and cost us a million all our other defenders didnt cost that.

That's an excellent point actually. I don't want to seem like I was defending Hudson (pun there), he cost a lot both in wages and fee. I just think realistically we won't get two quality centre backs in January, so a case of being stuck with one of them.

The fee was too much, no argument over that, but its done now and shouldnt be an issue in deciding whether the guy is good enough for this level or should be picked or not.