Halal meat banned in the House of Commons

Fair play to the Lords and Ladies. They helped remove legislation that
required all meat suppliers to keep a register of how their livestock is
slaughtered. So we are eating it here there and everywhere without
knowing it. But they're not.

ah to be the ruling classes eh!

Many Muslim commentators believe stunning the animal pre: slitting its
throat is the most humane thing to do, and it placates many non-muslim
religions who dont like the idea of the poor lambs gurgling in their own
blood while a geezer with a sharp knife 'prays to Allah' for the animals soul.

However, there is another school of thought who believe that the animal
should be fully conscious when they get slashed so they can (get this) "hear
the prayer as they die, and find peace"

Oh the irony. Some poor lamb gurgling away writhing in agony as its very
life blood is drained from its body... its very last thoughts were....

"f**k knows what he's saying... im stone deaf!!!"

Allah be praised

Oh the irony. Some poor lamb gurgling away writhing in agony as its very
life blood is drained from its body... its very last thoughts were....

"f**k knows what he's saying... im stone deaf!!!"

The irony being that the above is generally bollocks; Halal, Kosher both have the animal killed in a similar manner, which includes a hell of a lot of serious training, the blades are incredibly sharp so death is instantaneous...

Not denying there are the odd rogue idiots who go against that, but...

The irony being that the above is generally bollocks; Halal, Kosher both have the animal killed in a similar manner, which includes a hell of a lot of serious training, the blades are incredibly sharp so death is instantaneous...

Not denying there are the odd rogue idiots who go against that, but...

Don't quote me on this, but I don't think one's brain dies as soon as a sharp blade slices one's throat.

The irony being that the above is generally bollocks; Halal, Kosher both have the animal killed in a similar manner, which includes a hell of a lot of serious training, the blades are incredibly sharp so death is instantaneous...

Not denying there are the odd rogue idiots who go against that, but...

Don't quote me on this, but I don't think one's brain dies as soon as a sharp blade slices one's throat.

One is correct. Im not particularly arsed either way really. It seems somewhat hypocritical breeding
an animal specifically to eat it, then crying a river over how the poor fucker is despatched. Im
not sure I like the idea of having some clown praying over it though. Be it a muslim or a christian
prayer (before the saviours of minorities jump down my throat)

But I appreciate there are animal lovers out there with different views, and to take away their right
to know how their meat is seen off this mortal coil seems a little bit naughty. Especially as their
Lordships have ensured they themselves are "fine thank you very much, we know where our meat comes
from"

Oh the irony. Some poor lamb gurgling away writhing in agony as its very
life blood is drained from its body... its very last thoughts were....

"f**k knows what he's saying... im stone deaf!!!"

The irony being that the above is generally bollocks; Halal, Kosher both have the animal killed in a similar manner, which includes a hell of a lot of serious training, the blades are incredibly sharp so death is instantaneous...

Not denying there are the odd rogue idiots who go against that, but...

Have you seen it done ? The cow / lamb having it's throat slashed cos if you have then you should know that they do not die straight away,they bleed out. Where as if stunned they are brain dead & haven't got a clue what's happening. To me slashing a cows throat when it's hung upside down fully aware is horrible & should not be allowed.

its inhumane, thats why more modern methods are used in the western world, there are strict regs if broken your in court with your licence under threat.its the old turban and crash helmet row, it stinks if people want to share our country our way of life and laws should not be compromised.

its inhumane, thats why more modern methods are used in the western world, there are strict regs if broken your in court with your licence under threat.its the old turban and crash helmet row, it stinks if people want to share our country our way of life and laws should not be compromised.

Labour did away with the old regulatory body saying it was a cost saving
exercise. There are those who think it was just an official way of turning
a blind eye to it, and allowing Halal food to flood the markets to the extent
that many of us dont know what we're eating. As I said, the fate of the
animal doesnt really bother me. That might sound harsh, but they are bred
to die full stop. The thought of having my food 'blessed' without my say so
really pisses me off though. Basically, Islam is now at your kitchen table with
you now whether you like it or not!

Labour did away with the old regulatory body saying it was a cost saving
exercise. There are those who think it was just an official way of turning
a blind eye to it, and allowing Halal food to flood the markets to the extent
that many of us dont know what we're eating. As I said, the fate of the
animal doesnt really bother me. That might sound harsh, but they are bred
to die full stop. The thought of having my food 'blessed' without my say so
really pisses me off though. Basically, Islam is now at your kitchen table with
you now whether you like it or not!

It's why I enjoy eating at my dads house. He lives in West Wales, gets all his meat from the local butcher.

And we know what they do to the animal before they kill it in West Wales!!!

Oh the irony. Some poor lamb gurgling away writhing in agony as its very
life blood is drained from its body... its very last thoughts were....

"f**k knows what he's saying... im stone deaf!!!"

The irony being that the above is generally bollocks; Halal, Kosher both have the animal killed in a similar manner, which includes a hell of a lot of serious training, the blades are incredibly sharp so death is instantaneous...

Not denying there are the odd rogue idiots who go against that, but...

Have you seen it done ? The cow / lamb having it's throat slashed cos if you have then you should know that they do not die straight away,they bleed out. Where as if stunned they are brain dead & haven't got a clue what's happening. To me slashing a cows throat when it's hung upside down fully aware is horrible & should not be allowed.

Sorry mate but that is complete rubbish. Fact is very few Halal butchers refuse to stun, basically because stunning isn't a problem. The process only "stuns" the animal and it is still alive when the kill is performed.

Truth is the only real difference between Halal and non Halal is they say a few words, they have to be facing in a certain direction and the butcher has to be Muslim. That's it. They follow the same strict guidelines as any other butcher.

Another fact is a lot of countries have gone totally Halal because it's easier to have one system and the Halal system has no real difference for non Muslims. For instance 98% of all meat killed in New Zealand is Halal. The other 2% would be local butchers who don't export etc. So when you go to Tesco and buy your New Zealand lamb from the freezer, it is Halal. Best part is they don't print it on the packaging because of bigoted customer ignorance.

What really makes me laugh though about the whole butchering process is people who discover how brutal it is. That's true of all butchering. It's brutal and not good to watch. Truth is those neat packs of meat on the shelves at Tesco are chunks of animals, that were slaughtered. Truth is the animals being herded in to the slaughter house know what's going on. They are not as daft as we like to think. This farmer told me once that he reckons his sheep know when they they are being loaded for slaughter rather than being loaded for market etc.

All slaughtering involves getting the blood out as quickly as possible. If you don't then the blood will congeal and spoil the meat. So it doesn't matter who kills the bull, be it Halal or not, they hang it up and drop a few gallons of blood from it in a few seconds. Again, not pretty to watch but that is the reality.

it has always amazed me that in this country were cruelty to animals is forbidden that we allow animals to be slaughtered in this way,im sorry but our law states that an animal has to be stunned before slaughter and this should apply to ALL.

Oh the irony. Some poor lamb gurgling away writhing in agony as its very
life blood is drained from its body... its very last thoughts were....

"f**k knows what he's saying... im stone deaf!!!"

The irony being that the above is generally bollocks; Halal, Kosher both have the animal killed in a similar manner, which includes a hell of a lot of serious training, the blades are incredibly sharp so death is instantaneous...

Not denying there are the odd rogue idiots who go against that, but...

Have you seen it done ? The cow / lamb having it's throat slashed cos if you have then you should know that they do not die straight away,they bleed out. Where as if stunned they are brain dead & haven't got a clue what's happening. To me slashing a cows throat when it's hung upside down fully aware is horrible & should not be allowed.

Sorry mate but that is complete rubbish. Fact is very few Halal butchers refuse to stun, basically because stunning isn't a problem. The process only "stuns" the animal and it is still alive when the kill is performed.

Truth is the only real difference between Halal and non Halal is they say a few words, they have to be facing in a certain direction and the butcher has to be Muslim. That's it. They follow the same strict guidelines as any other butcher.

Another fact is a lot of countries have gone totally Halal because it's easier to have one system and the Halal system has no real difference for non Muslims. For instance 98% of all meat killed in New Zealand is Halal. The other 2% would be local butchers who don't export etc. So when you go to Tesco and buy your New Zealand lamb from the freezer, it is Halal. Best part is they don't print it on the packaging because of bigoted customer ignorance.

What really makes me laugh though about the whole butchering process is people who discover how brutal it is. That's true of all butchering. It's brutal and not good to watch. Truth is those neat packs of meat on the shelves at Tesco are chunks of animals, that were slaughtered. Truth is the animals being herded in to the slaughter house know what's going on. They are not as daft as we like to think. This farmer told me once that he reckons his sheep know when they they are being loaded for slaughter rather than being loaded for market etc.

All slaughtering involves getting the blood out as quickly as possible. If you don't then the blood will congeal and spoil the meat. So it doesn't matter who kills the bull, be it Halal or not, they hang it up and drop a few gallons of blood from it in a few seconds. Again, not pretty to watch but that is the reality.[/quote]

You blew it when you called anyone unhappy with the process bigoted. The classic
'righteous politically correct' answer to ANYTHING that might just be percieved as
anti-muslim.

Can you imagine the muslims happily chomping away on meat that had been blessed
by a Christian prayer??... Their meat is to be UNTOUCHED by non-muslims...

how f*cking bigoted is that??

The irony being that the above is generally bollocks; Halal, Kosher both have the animal killed in a similar manner, which includes a hell of a lot of serious training, the blades are incredibly sharp so death is instantaneous...

Not denying there are the odd rogue idiots who go against that, but...

Have you seen it done ? The cow / lamb having it's throat slashed cos if you have then you should know that they do not die straight away,they bleed out. Where as if stunned they are brain dead & haven't got a clue what's happening. To me slashing a cows throat when it's hung upside down fully aware is horrible & should not be allowed.

Sorry mate but that is complete rubbish. Fact is very few Halal butchers refuse to stun, basically because stunning isn't a problem. The process only "stuns" the animal and it is still alive when the kill is performed.

Truth is the only real difference between Halal and non Halal is they say a few words, they have to be facing in a certain direction and the butcher has to be Muslim. That's it. They follow the same strict guidelines as any other butcher.

Another fact is a lot of countries have gone totally Halal because it's easier to have one system and the Halal system has no real difference for non Muslims. For instance 98% of all meat killed in New Zealand is Halal. The other 2% would be local butchers who don't export etc. So when you go to Tesco and buy your New Zealand lamb from the freezer, it is Halal. Best part is they don't print it on the packaging because of bigoted customer ignorance.

What really makes me laugh though about the whole butchering process is people who discover how brutal it is. That's true of all butchering. It's brutal and not good to watch. Truth is those neat packs of meat on the shelves at Tesco are chunks of animals, that were slaughtered. Truth is the animals being herded in to the slaughter house know what's going on. They are not as daft as we like to think. This farmer told me once that he reckons his sheep know when they they are being loaded for slaughter rather than being loaded for market etc.

All slaughtering involves getting the blood out as quickly as possible. If you don't then the blood will congeal and spoil the meat. So it doesn't matter who kills the bull, be it Halal or not, they hang it up and drop a few gallons of blood from it in a few seconds. Again, not pretty to watch but that is the reality.

You blew it when you called anyone unhappy with the process bigoted. The classic
'righteous politically correct' answer to ANYTHING that might just be percieved as
anti-muslim.

Can you imagine the muslims happily chomping away on meat that had been blessed
by a Christian prayer??... Their meat is to be UNTOUCHED by non-muslims...

how f*cking bigoted is that??[/quote]

Yes sorry I should have put "" around "bigoted customer ignorance". That was a quote I took from a New Zealand meat producer who said that when they printed "Halal" on the packaging the sales went through the floor. It wasn't my quote.

I don't think though that the meat has to be "untouched" like you said though. I'm not sure about this but the impression I got was for it to be Halal then the person killing has to be Muslim. They basically said that many slaughter houses employ a Muslim just to do the killing whilst the rest of the staff there are non-Muslim.

The irony being that the above is generally bollocks; Halal, Kosher both have the animal killed in a similar manner, which includes a hell of a lot of serious training, the blades are incredibly sharp so death is instantaneous...

Not denying there are the odd rogue idiots who go against that, but...

Have you seen it done ? The cow / lamb having it's throat slashed cos if you have then you should know that they do not die straight away,they bleed out. Where as if stunned they are brain dead & haven't got a clue what's happening. To me slashing a cows throat when it's hung upside down fully aware is horrible & should not be allowed.

Sorry mate but that is complete rubbish. Fact is very few Halal butchers refuse to stun, basically because stunning isn't a problem. The process only "stuns" the animal and it is still alive when the kill is performed.

Truth is the only real difference between Halal and non Halal is they say a few words, they have to be facing in a certain direction and the butcher has to be Muslim. That's it. They follow the same strict guidelines as any other butcher.

Another fact is a lot of countries have gone totally Halal because it's easier to have one system and the Halal system has no real difference for non Muslims. For instance 98% of all meat killed in New Zealand is Halal. The other 2% would be local butchers who don't export etc. So when you go to Tesco and buy your New Zealand lamb from the freezer, it is Halal. Best part is they don't print it on the packaging because of bigoted customer ignorance.

What really makes me laugh though about the whole butchering process is people who discover how brutal it is. That's true of all butchering. It's brutal and not good to watch. Truth is those neat packs of meat on the shelves at Tesco are chunks of animals, that were slaughtered. Truth is the animals being herded in to the slaughter house know what's going on. They are not as daft as we like to think. This farmer told me once that he reckons his sheep know when they they are being loaded for slaughter rather than being loaded for market etc.

All slaughtering involves getting the blood out as quickly as possible. If you don't then the blood will congeal and spoil the meat. So it doesn't matter who kills the bull, be it Halal or not, they hang it up and drop a few gallons of blood from it in a few seconds. Again, not pretty to watch but that is the reality.

You blew it when you called anyone unhappy with the process bigoted. The classic
'righteous politically correct' answer to ANYTHING that might just be percieved as
anti-muslim.

Can you imagine the muslims happily chomping away on meat that had been blessed
by a Christian prayer??... Their meat is to be UNTOUCHED by non-muslims...

how f*cking bigoted is that??[/quote]

Yes sorry I should have put "" around "bigoted customer ignorance". That was a quote I took from a New Zealand meat producer who said that when they printed "Halal" on the packaging the sales went through the floor. It wasn't my quote.

I don't think though that the meat has to be "untouched" like you said though. I'm not sure about this but the impression I got was for it to be Halal then the person killing has to be Muslim. They basically said that many slaughter houses employ a Muslim just to do the killing whilst the rest of the staff there are non-Muslim.[/quote]

Its very true though. If the Muslim population were told that their meat
was to be slaughtered by a dirty kuffar there would be a civil war. What
a blissful hypocracy we live in eh