Cardiff City, promotion and the FAW vs the FA

IF we manage to go up this season what are people's views on us joining the FA. UEFA rules state you are governed by the football association of the domicile country rather than the league in which you play.

There is plenty of precedent along the Borders of Europe and England/Scotland where clubs play in 'other countries' leagues so we are not unique or alone in this.

If we go up there will be a good old national whinge about which league we play in even though we were invited to participate by the English FA along with Merthyr, Aberdare and others because they could not get enough interest in England. But my question is should we join the FA? My view is YES because if we ever Get a top 4 spo they won't allow us to play Champions league as those places are for representative teams of the top flight FA's teams not another FAs team.

IF we manage to go up this season what are people's views on us joining the FA. UEFA rules state you are governed by the football association of the domicile country rather than the league in which you play.

There is plenty of precedent along the Borders of Europe and England/Scotland where clubs play in 'other countries' leagues so we are not unique or alone in this.

If we go up there will be a good old national whinge about which league we play in even though we were invited to participate by the English FA along with Merthyr, Aberdare and others because they could not get enough interest in England. But my question is should we join the FA? My view is YES because if we ever Get a top 4 spo they won't allow us to play Champions league as those places are for representative teams of the top flight FA's teams not another FAs team.

Champions League.....lol
Lets get promotion first.

I'd join the FA now as the FAW are a load of shit, a load of Blazer wearing old fogeys ready for a choir.

On a serious note though have you noticed beween us and the Jerks we are normally hated and the Jerks the darlings only time we've been given chances by them was the whether Darren Purse would be playing or not for the FA cup final(that was due to a City fan who gave the all clear ).

Of course the 2 incidents at Leeds and JB match which then got ruled out-what goes on the pitch stays on the pitch mate

Prem league has a rule, brought in over summer, that you have to be a member of the FA to be in the Prem league - mostly brought in to stop the bs coming from Rangers, Celtic about being allowed in, to ensure all clubs under same disciplinary setup etc.

Of course, the Prem League has always been able to prevent ANY team going up - in practise, they haven't due to potential sanctions from UEFA.

Us being in the FAW will be a sticking point as the season continues.

Join the F.A fed up of hearing we get away with evevything when we clearly don't.

Robbie, I personally believe its time to move forward and Join the English FA. The Welsh FA do Nothing for us and Will never let us back in to Europe, they would rather TNS and Rhyl play in Europe than us.

Are we actually allowed to join the English fa - do we need FAW/UEFA approval? Or is it simply a case of us saying we want to join the english fa (provided they'd want city)

IF we manage to go up this season what are people's views on us joining the FA. UEFA rules state you are governed by the football association of the domicile country rather than the league in which you play.

There is plenty of precedent along the Borders of Europe and England/Scotland where clubs play in 'other countries' leagues so we are not unique or alone in this.

If we go up there will be a good old national whinge about which league we play in even though we were invited to participate by the English FA along with Merthyr, Aberdare and others because they could not get enough interest in England. But my question is should we join the FA? My view is YES because if we ever Get a top 4 spo they won't allow us to play Champions league as those places are for representative teams of the top flight FA's teams not another FAs team.

Undoubtedly the FA for me. The amateurs that call themselves the FAW are not fit to oversee any professional outfit (or even Swansea City ) and it is only right and proper that if we play in the English system then we should be governed by them....

It is very tough on our opponents when there is an inconsistency in dealing with disciplinary matters....and whilst the FAW have recently been somewhat lenient towards us, it wasn't always like that....

Are we actually allowed to join the English fa - do we need FAW/UEFA approval? Or is it simply a case of us saying we want to join the english fa (provided they'd want city)

We need the FA to want us, the FAW to agree to us moving.

Then UEFA would need to ratify the move, which isn't a given - after all, that would open the door to Dutch teams moving elsewhere, Rangers, Celtic going into Prem etc. The last thing UEFA would want to do would be to set a precedent allowing clubs to move FA at will. UEFA would probably issue a firm ruling clubs cannot change FA, whilst allowing an exemption for us and Swansea due to our situation.

And then you've the thorny issue of Newport, Wrexham, Merthyr et al - they'd want to move too.

This is not a simple thing to do.

I really don't think this will be an issue if we are lucky enough to get promoted. If we had won against Blackpool there is no way we would have been denied entry into the Premier League. Even though we are a Welsh club there would have been outrage as we'd earnt the right to be there.

My opinion is that we should definitely be part of the FA

ANY club can be denied entry to the PL - check the PL's regulations.

Still missing the point - we can want to be in the FA all we like, need FAW to agree, UEFA to ratify it.

FAW won't agree, losing their two big clubs makes them look even more amateur.
FA won't want hassle for the sake of two clubs.
UEFA won't want to set precedents.

It's not a certainty we'd be allowed to join the FA - which, as it stands, means we CANNOT be in the PL after the rule change in summer.

I dont think it makes sense for us to be under the FAW

It would be nice to stop fans from other clubs and pundits and the press harking on and on and on about us having our appeals dealt with by some crusty old men in Builth Wells. It is embarassing.

The sooner we are out of the FAW the better.

We are all great at making mountains out of molehills on here

If City get promoted, the English FA would definitely accept us. They would also accept
Swansea. YES, it is not automatic. But they will welcome us with open arms, and so will
the Premier League. The English FA must get proper pissed off when we are alleged to
have done something wrong yet are not under their juristiction. Its a nonsense.

As for The Welsh FA? How on earth can they stop us leaving? we are members of the
Association, we are not contracted to them in any way. Its a shame in one way, its
good to be part of our National Football Association, but we cannot go forward unless
we leave. If we want to play in the English Premier League, then we have to join their
Association. Fair enough.

The Welsh FA didnt bat an eyelid when UEFA stopped Cardiff playing in Europe, mainly
because many of the little old men on the FAW Council are affiliated to small village
clubs who suddenly had a chance of playing in Europe

The Welsh FA wouldnt DARE to try block us leaving. Cardiff City would crush the Welsh FA
in court

The time has come for us to make the split. We got no choice. The English FA know it, the
FAW know it... and so will UEFA!

We are all great at making mountains out of molehills on here

Wrong.

If City get promoted, the English FA would definitely accept us. They would also accept
Swansea. YES, it is not automatic. But they will welcome us with open arms, and so will
the Premier League. The English FA must get proper pissed off when we are alleged to
have done something wrong yet are not under their juristiction. Its a nonsense.

Missing the point. FAW have to agree. I'm sure the FA would welcome us without any complications - FAW lose us, Swansea, they then lose Newport, others playing in English system.

Confident the English FA would then go out to bat for us?

As for The Welsh FA? How on earth can they stop us leaving? we are members of the
Association, we are not contracted to them in any way. Its a shame in one way, its
good to be part of our National Football Association, but we cannot go forward unless
we leave. If we want to play in the English Premier League, then we have to join their
Association. Fair enough.

FAW can formally object, with the moral high ground - we're a Welsh club, like it or not, hence under auspices of national association.

If we could just walk away, don't you think we'd have done that by now already?

The Welsh FA didnt bat an eyelid when UEFA stopped Cardiff playing in Europe, mainly
because many of the little old men on the FAW Council are affiliated to small village
clubs who suddenly had a chance of playing in Europe

The Welsh FA wouldnt DARE to try block us leaving. Cardiff City would crush the Welsh FA
in court

Problem was, we wanted things both ways - qualify through Welsh competitions without playing league football in Wales. Uefa rules kinda clear on that regard.

Crush the Welsh FA in court? On what particular legal grounds? Think you're overly confident bearing in mind FAW are abiding UEFA regulations...

The time has come for us to make the split. We got no choice. The English FA know it, the
FAW know it... and so will UEFA!

And again, you think? It's nowhere near as overly simplistic as you believe.

Would the FA seriously risk repercussions by going against another national association on behalf of a club a LOT of teams don't want in the EPL?

Would UEFA change their regulations for a special case involving at most 2 clubs?

There's a lot that can go wrong in this whole scenario. It's silly to pretend otherwise.

We are all great at making mountains out of molehills on here

Wrong.

If City get promoted, the English FA would definitely accept us. They would also accept
Swansea. YES, it is not automatic. But they will welcome us with open arms, and so will
the Premier League. The English FA must get proper pissed off when we are alleged to
have done something wrong yet are not under their juristiction. Its a nonsense.

Missing the point. FAW have to agree. I'm sure the FA would welcome us without any complications - FAW lose us, Swansea, they then lose Newport, others playing in English system.

WHY DO THEY HAVE TO AGREE? - WE HAVE NEVER PLAYED IN A WELSH LEAGUE
WE NEVER SIGNED A CONTRACT, WE ARE NOT BOUND BY LAW

Confident the English FA would then go out to bat for us?

As for The Welsh FA? How on earth can they stop us leaving? we are members of the
Association, we are not contracted to them in any way. Its a shame in one way, its
good to be part of our National Football Association, but we cannot go forward unless
we leave. If we want to play in the English Premier League, then we have to join their
Association. Fair enough.

FAW can formally object, with the moral high ground - we're a Welsh club, like it or not, hence under auspices of national association.

MORAL HIGH GROUND HOW? WE HAVE NEVER PLAYED IN A WELSH LEAGUE, WE
ARE WELSH, OBVIOUSLY, AND PROUD, BUT ENGLISHMEN PLAY FOR WALES, AND
VICE-VERSA, IF THE WELSH FA ARE HAPPY TO LET ENGLISH PEOPLE PLAY FOR US BY
WAY OF QUALIFICATION, THEN CARDIFF CITY, HAVING PLAYED IN THE ENGLISH LEAGUE
FOR 100 YEARSWOULD CERTAINLY QUALIFY TO BE AFFILIATED TO THE ENGLISH FA

If we could just walk away, don't you think we'd have done that by now already?

TO WHAT END?? IT SUITED CARDIFF FOR MANY YEARS RE: BEING THE BIG FISH IN A
SMALL POND. WE QUALIFIED FOR EUROPE, WE MADE A LOT OF MONEY. UP UNTIL
NOW THERE'S BEEN NO NEED FOR US TO CONSIDER IT REALLY

The Welsh FA didnt bat an eyelid when UEFA stopped Cardiff playing in Europe, mainly
because many of the little old men on the FAW Council are affiliated to small village
clubs who suddenly had a chance of playing in Europe

The Welsh FA wouldnt DARE to try block us leaving. Cardiff City would crush the Welsh FA
in court

Problem was, we wanted things both ways - qualify through Welsh competitions without playing league football in Wales. Uefa rules kinda clear on that regard.

AGREED, SO UEFA HAVE TOLD US WE CANNOT QUALIFY FOR EUROPE COS WE DONT
PLAY IN A WELSH LEAGUE. FAIR ENOUGH. BUT THEY CANT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS, AND
TO BE FAIR, MICHEL PLATINI WAS PRETTY ADAMANT A FEW YEARS BACK THAT IF WE'D
WON THE FA CUP HE WOULD DO EVERYTHING TO MAKE SURE WE PLAYED IN EUROPE,

Crush the Welsh FA in court? On what particular legal grounds? Think you're overly confident bearing in mind FAW are abiding UEFA regulations...

THERE WOULD BE NO COURT CASE. THE FAW COULD NOT STOP US LEAVING

The time has come for us to make the split. We got no choice. The English FA know it, the
FAW know it... and so will UEFA!

And again, you think? It's nowhere near as overly simplistic as you believe.

Would the FA seriously risk repercussions by going against another national association on behalf of a club a LOT of teams don't want in the EPL?


Would UEFA change their regulations for a special case involving at most 2 clubs?

There's a lot that can go wrong in this whole scenario. It's silly to pretend otherwise.

WHAT REPERCUSSIONS? PLATINI HAS ALREADY PRETTY MUCH SAID HE'D BACK CARDIFF CITY.
WITH THAT IN MIND, THE ENGLISH FA WOULDNT GIVE A f**k ABOUT THE FAW. ALSO, WHAT
MAKES ANYONE THINK THE FAW WOULD EVEN BOTHER TRYING TO BLOCK A SWOP??? THEY WOULD
BE PISSED OFF, BUT WOULD BE AWARE THAT EVENTUALLY THEY WOULD LOSE. IT WOULD COST
THEM MONEY TO STOP CARDIFF CITY LEAVING. THEY WOULD ALSO BE TRYING TO STOP A WELSH
CLUB FROM REACHING THE TOP. SWANSEA WOULD HAVE TO SUPPORT US, AS WOULD NEWPORT
AND WREXHAM. THE FAW COULD NOT AFFORD TO LOSE THE SUPPORT OF THOSE CLUBS. SOME
COMPROMISE WOULD BE REACHED.

FAW already gone the legal route previously.

As I keep pointing out, albeit not n capitals, if it were as simple as you claim, answer me this.

Why have we not left ALREADY, given it's been talked about within CCFC for years?

FAW already gone the legal route previously.

As I keep pointing out, albeit not n capitals, if it were as simple as you claim, answer me this.

Why have we not left ALREADY, given it's been talked about within CCFC for years?

I only done capitals so it would be easier to read the thread and the answers

Anyhow, not much point this seeing as neither of us really know. I daresay we'll find
out soon enough. But Wales three biggest city's all play in the English leagues and
the Welsh FA will just have to swallow it. the alternative really would be these clubs
playing Caersws/TNS/Prestatyn Town every week. That wont happen

If we go up we must join the Englander's

Would we have to move the club to Chepstow?

We should be with the FA now. We gain nothing being with the FAW right now so we should just slot in with the FA. It wouldn't change anything in my eyes. I feel if we're playing in their league we should join their association.

Another good Debate