Sun Oct 31, 2010 4:42 pm
Sun Oct 31, 2010 5:03 pm
Sun Oct 31, 2010 5:13 pm
carlccfc wrote:Andy, this messageboard has supported the single to the hilt and Jonny and Owen have told us that if was not for this forum then the single would never have sold the quantities it has.
I was surprised that there were so many fans at the pub yesterday and there was no prominent members of the trust there.
I think we have done enough advertising of the event for everyone to be aware of it.
Sun Oct 31, 2010 7:13 pm
Sun Oct 31, 2010 7:39 pm
Sun Oct 31, 2010 8:54 pm
Sun Oct 31, 2010 10:11 pm
Sun Oct 31, 2010 10:22 pm
Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:41 am
Mon Nov 01, 2010 12:09 pm
Bluetaf wrote:AAMB members supported it, I supported it, but did the trust support it?
Mon Nov 01, 2010 1:38 pm
Mon Nov 01, 2010 1:42 pm
Forever Blue wrote:Hi Andy, To be Honest I was Gob Smacked Not One Senior Member(out of about 20) of The Trust Attended on Saturday.
I have Been a Member Now for the 2nd Year of its Foundation, I still Dont know what they Stand for and What they Represent and Their Aim is ? ? ?
I asked This Question To Since 62(Keith) a few Weeks ago, But He avoided the Questions, Hmm.
The Fund for The Statue Of Fred Keenor is Actually Run By a Sub Committee of The trust, which Graham Keenor was telling me about on Saturday and Virtually has Nothing to do with the Trust.
But forget that, What I would Like to Know is What is the Trust All about and What Do they Do, We Can All do Interviews with Gethin Jenkins etc, I just ring up and Ask him.
NO I am Sorry But I will DEF NOT BE RENEWING My Membership in March and Carl has Already Quit Being a Member. Thats How We Feel, But Everyone is Entitled to Their Own Opinions.![]()
Mon Nov 01, 2010 2:10 pm
Mon Nov 01, 2010 2:13 pm
Mon Nov 01, 2010 6:39 pm
carlccfc wrote:I think we have done enough advertising of the event for everyone to be aware of it.
Mon Nov 01, 2010 8:12 pm
Whitchurch Blue wrote:Fred Keenor and the Supporters’ Trust
Firstly, I have to declare an interest. I was elected in April/May as a board member, having been a member of the Trust since its inception.
I joined the Trust because I believe it is important that there is a democratic and transparent voice for fans. People have a choice to vote you onto the board and they can vote you out.
I am one of two board members on the Fred Keenor Statue Fund Committee. Our membership is small – six at the most and often much less and we are all volunteers. Graham Keenor is a member and a great supporter.
My fellow board member David Craig, whose acting as the project manager, has put an enormous amount of his own time into the appeal. He’s attended meetings with the club and sculptor (many times), the Football Association, the South Wales Echo, Cardiff council and the Welsh Assembly Government as well as organising collections, attending fundraising events, selling statues and badges. David was expecting a quite time when he retired – far from it.
I’ve also spent many hours on the appeal raising the profile of the appeal (in between trying to earn a living) as well as doing many of things David has. We’re not doing it for ourselves but because we believe that a permanent memorial to Fred Keenor and the 1927 FA Cup team is long overdue and we’re determined to see it happen. But we need more people doing things – like those who arranged the messageboard match, Jonny Owen and the lads and the fans who have run marathons.
David and I were not at the Ninian Park on Saturday because we spent three hours collecting donations and selling Fred Keenor badges on Level 2. We put on a display with the three-foot Keenor statue. Two other Trust board members – Tim Hartley and Keith Morgan - were manning the Trust stand within the stadium and handing out tickets for stadium tours in aid of the appeal. One of the nine board members was out of the country on holiday and I can’t speak for the other four. There are nine board members not 20.
Let’s kill the ill-informed comments made about the Trust and the Keenor appeal once and for all.... A tribute to Keenor was a long way away until the Trust became involved at the invitation of Mike Inker. Mike had launched an online petition but there was no appeal. So the Trust agreed to become involved and the fundraising committee was set up and I’m delighted to be playing my small part in trying to making this a reality.
The appeal would never have got as far as it has without the support of Trust members – that is undeniable. I have to say that the club support for the appeal has been very good, in particular Wayne Nash and Julian Jenkins. Certainly, the club’s support has increased dramatically since the departure of the former chairman.
The Trust is not perfect, no organisation is. People who join political parties don’t agree with everything it does but still support it.
An organisation is often only as good as its members so to those people who continually chip about the Trust why don’t you get involved, stand for election, help the Keenor appeal, organising fundraisers. Let’s have some positive thinking for a change.
And if you haven’t already buy the badges and the 8in miniatures which would make great Christmas presents and help the Keenor statue appeal.
Phil Nifield
Arfur Europe wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Hi Andy, To be Honest I was Gob Smacked Not One Senior Member(out of about 20) of The Trust Attended on Saturday.
I have Been a Member Now for the 2nd Year of its Foundation, I still Dont know what they Stand for and What they Represent and Their Aim is ? ? ?
I asked This Question To Since 62(Keith) a few Weeks ago, But He avoided the Questions, Hmm.
The Fund for The Statue Of Fred Keenor is Actually Run By a Sub Committee of The trust, which Graham Keenor was telling me about on Saturday and Virtually has Nothing to do with the Trust.
But forget that, What I would Like to Know is What is the Trust All about and What Do they Do, We Can All do Interviews with Gethin Jenkins etc, I just ring up and Ask him.
NO I am Sorry But I will DEF NOT BE RENEWING My Membership in March and Carl has Already Quit Being a Member. Thats How We Feel, But Everyone is Entitled to Their Own Opinions.![]()
Well here's mine then Annis.
I wouldn't say I was a prominent member of the Trust but I was there at the Ninian on Saturday and it was indeed, an excellent turn out. So much so that with two under 7s holding on (including a 3 yo who was at her first ever City match), I could only manage a quick listen before having to dive back in the lounge. Did see you up on what looked like a stage briefly.
Also, Graham Keenor himself is a Trust member and you obviously met him, so the reports above that the Trust wasn't 'represented', are already off the mark a wee bit.
To possibly clear up any misunderstanding, the jist of the story is that in November 2007, I was reading a thread on the old ccmb about the Bobby Moore statue at Wembley IIRC, and it struck me that for a club with a fair bit of history such as ours, including all our influence on the Welsh national team over the years, we really didn't have anything to show for it in terms of honouring past players. The closest we had were the two Grandstand bars at NP. Whooppee shit, I thought - some other clubs have two feckin statues. So it didn't take me long to realise that Fred Keenor (and the whole 1927 squad / management but mainly Fred due to his playing record, WWI battle wound, fighting against diabetes, Cardiff born and bred, smoking lol and still captaining a top Wales and City side) would be the obvious candidate.
I set up a petition, largely to see if it was just pipedream or if others really did support it. This is below and you can see the for yourselves, the numbers that got behind it. That was great news obviously, but after Radio Wales, BBC TV and the Echo started ringing, I realised this wouldn't be achieved on my own. I got it some publicity initially, but it needed a committee or gathering of people to run it. Around six months later I saw that a City Supporters Trust was being mooted and I thought that would be perfect as an organisation to run the campaign. The reason being, it seemed to offer the numbers of willing people it would take to get this thing off the ground (literally). I went to a load of early Trust meetings to offer the idea and although at first it was rejected at that time as the Trust was not actually fully formed as a legal body and the forming and subsequent marketing of the Trust itself, was rightfully deemed to be the Trust's first objective.
Eventually, Corky was in a position to put it to the Trust vote and it was accepted as a Trust objective. I've since seen a lot of the other work the Trust puts in, and I've been impressed.
I'll honestly say, it's fantastic to see such wide ranging support for this perfect City cause, but it wouldn't have got this far without the Trust, the FKSF sub committe, David Craig, the Project Manager.
Lastly, the statue sub committee meetings are really open to anyone and everyone, as are fund raiding events, so I'll ask when the next meeting is and post it on here for as many to attend as possible. We've still got a long way to go though
Mon Nov 01, 2010 10:37 pm
Bluetaf wrote:I have said to Vince and Corky before that the trust location in the ground needs to be accessable to ALL, and at this moment in time anyone in the family stand does not have that. If only to be able to pop in say hello would be good and to put names to faces.![]()
AndyFS
Tue Nov 02, 2010 9:09 am
Tue Nov 02, 2010 9:13 am
The Ratcatcher wrote:carlccfc wrote:I think we have done enough advertising of the event for everyone to be aware of it.
What was the event? Nobodys said yet.
Tue Nov 02, 2010 12:55 pm
Ben wrote:HAY CLEVER CLOGGS with your 16 snipping posts, saturday norwich home was a event , everyone was welcome
Tue Nov 02, 2010 6:39 pm
The Ratcatcher wrote:carlccfc wrote:I think we have done enough advertising of the event for everyone to be aware of it.
What was the event? Nobodys said yet.
Tue Nov 02, 2010 8:36 pm
Wed Nov 03, 2010 8:06 pm
Wed Nov 03, 2010 8:07 pm
Wed Nov 03, 2010 8:33 pm
Jonathan Owen wrote:http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sports/sports-columnists/2010/10/31/delme-parfitt-why-fred-keenor-tribute-song-hits-all-the-right-notes-91466-27573187/
Wed Nov 03, 2010 8:50 pm
Jonathan Owen wrote:Hi all!
Let's be cool here...I think everyone really helped in all this.
The boys on here...the trust..the club have all been great.
Seriously. I've been in London the last two days and everyone has mentioned it so on that front we've had loads of positive publicity.
The single was very very funny. On pre-orders we actually topped the charts!! haha...but then after the initial surge we couldn't get anyone else to buy it!! but I think deep down we all know that's what it's like...
There's about 3,000 hardcore (like the old days!) and many others who are there and love City but maybe not quite in the same way. Which is absolutely fair enough. things take time...and times are tight at the moment.
But, you know, we got a load of publicity about it and some prominent businessmen getting in touch...and that's what it was all about. That's where we'll get the tens of thousands the statue needs...the single will certainly raise a few grand though...but the press you cannot put a price on.
The last thing I want is anyone to fall out and argue about this though.
This is where we all pull together as City fans...and we will get there.
We all know we face enough enemies outside the club without arguing among ourselves and I have to say I'd do it all again at the drop of a fuckin hat...twice over!
Even if it was just for the trip to Leeds...![]()
So pleas keep the faith folks...and dont forget we're still top!!
Wed Nov 03, 2010 9:12 pm
Sat Nov 06, 2010 3:19 pm
Arfur Europe wrote:Forever Blue wrote:Hi Andy, To be Honest I was Gob Smacked Not One Senior Member(out of about 20) of The Trust Attended on Saturday.
I have Been a Member Now for the 2nd Year of its Foundation, I still Dont know what they Stand for and What they Represent and Their Aim is ? ? ?
I asked This Question To Since 62(Keith) a few Weeks ago, But He avoided the Questions, Hmm.
The Fund for The Statue Of Fred Keenor is Actually Run By a Sub Committee of The trust, which Graham Keenor was telling me about on Saturday and Virtually has Nothing to do with the Trust.
But forget that, What I would Like to Know is What is the Trust All about and What Do they Do, We Can All do Interviews with Gethin Jenkins etc, I just ring up and Ask him.
NO I am Sorry But I will DEF NOT BE RENEWING My Membership in March and Carl has Already Quit Being a Member. Thats How We Feel, But Everyone is Entitled to Their Own Opinions.![]()
Well here's mine then Annis.
I wouldn't say I was a prominent member of the Trust but I was there at the Ninian on Saturday and it was indeed, an excellent turn out. So much so that with two under 7s holding on (including a 3 yo who was at her first ever City match), I could only manage a quick listen before having to dive back in the lounge. Did see you up on what looked like a stage briefly.
Also, Graham Keenor himself is a Trust member and you obviously met him, so the reports above that the Trust wasn't 'represented', are already off the mark a wee bit.
To possibly clear up any misunderstanding, the jist of the story is that in November 2007, I was reading a thread on the old ccmb about the Bobby Moore statue at Wembley IIRC, and it struck me that for a club with a fair bit of history such as ours, including all our influence on the Welsh national team over the years, we really didn't have anything to show for it in terms of honouring past players. The closest we had were the two Grandstand bars at NP. Whooppee shit, I thought - some other clubs have two feckin statues. So it didn't take me long to realise that Fred Keenor (and the whole 1927 squad / management but mainly Fred due to his playing record, WWI battle wound, fighting against diabetes, Cardiff born and bred, smoking lol and still captaining a top Wales and City side) would be the obvious candidate.
I set up a petition, largely to see if it was just pipedream or if others really did support it. This is below and you can see the for yourselves, the numbers that got behind it. That was great news obviously, but after Radio Wales, BBC TV and the Echo started ringing, I realised this wouldn't be achieved on my own. I got it some publicity initially, but it needed a committee or gathering of people to run it. Around six months later I saw that a City Supporters Trust was being mooted and I thought that would be perfect as an organisation to run the campaign. The reason being, it seemed to offer the numbers of willing people it would take to get this thing off the ground (literally). I went to a load of early Trust meetings to offer the idea and although at first it was rejected at that time as the Trust was not actually fully formed as a legal body and the forming and subsequent marketing of the Trust itself, was rightfully deemed to be the Trust's first objective.
Eventually, Corky was in a position to put it to the Trust vote and it was accepted as a Trust objective. I've since seen a lot of the other work the Trust puts in, and I've been impressed.
I'll honestly say, it's fantastic to see such wide ranging support for this perfect City cause, but it wouldn't have got this far without the Trust, the FKSF sub committe, David Craig, the Project Manager.
Lastly, the statue sub committee meetings are really open to anyone and everyone, as are fund raiding events, so I'll ask when the next meeting is and post it on here for as many to attend as possible. We've still got a long way to go though
Sat Nov 06, 2010 6:50 pm
Sat Nov 06, 2010 7:37 pm
VCLEE wrote:In response to Forever Blue who asks what is it for:-
......the Trust provides a platform to speak on behalf of all supporters to the club. As a democratic organisation, any disagreements, viewpoints can be aired in full.
The hope is that, in time, the trust will have sufficient members and financial bite to procure greater influence. To be fair to the club, they have recognised the value of a supporters trust and are beginning to show due respect to the organisers and membership. It is also worth remembering all money men can and often do, walk away, a strong supporters Trust can help mitigate any knock on ill-effects.