' MAN CITY RELEGATION UPDATE - DAILY MAIL SPORT '

From the Daily Mail...a couple of huge points deductions seems plausible keeping them in the Championship for a couple of seasons. We will see.

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You're right to say we will see.

As far as I know, the sanction hearing hasn't taken place yet?

If not then nobody can possibly know what the independent panel will impose, assuming they don't win their appeal.

This may be what the Premier League want but obviously no guarantee that it's what the independent panel do.

So I'm cautious of any reports until the sanction hearing has taken place.

You're right to say we will see.

As far as I know, the sanction hearing hasn't taken place yet?

If not then nobody can possibly know what the independent panel will impose, assuming they don't win their appeal.

This may be what the Premier League want but obviously no guarantee that it's what the independent panel do.

So I'm cautious of any reports until the sanction hearing has taken place.

Isn't one of their beerfs is the panel wasn't independent because guilty verdict exposed before officially announced?
This is looking like going same way...
Etiad airways have employed the world's leading litigation lawyer to look into their complaint of defamation by premier league! Looks like they mean buisness .... was stupid of premier league to make accusations that unquestionably implied Etiad was involved in a scam (even though name not used)

You're right to say we will see.

As far as I know, the sanction hearing hasn't taken place yet?

If not then nobody can possibly know what the independent panel will impose, assuming they don't win their appeal.

This may be what the Premier League want but obviously no guarantee that it's what the independent panel do.

So I'm cautious of any reports until the sanction hearing has taken place.

Isn't one of their beerfs is the panel wasn't independent because guilty verdict exposed before officially announced?
This is looking like going same way...
Etiad airways have employed the world's leading litigation lawyer to look into their complaint of defamation by premier league! Looks like they mean buisness .... was stupid of premier league to make accusations that unquestionably implied Etiad was involved in a scam (even though name not used)

Could be wrong because I don't know much about this stuff, but I think if their main argument is that the panel wasn't independent then it will fail.

Appeal has to be heard within 12 weeks of initial verdict with sanction hearing to follow. So the Premier League are obviously determined to get this done by the end of the season.

What I don't get is I'm sure Everton and Forest had their sanctions put on them immediately, so surely they'll have to do the same with City after the sanction hearing?

By the way, Man City top of the Premier League with seven wins out of seven....

You're right to say we will see.

As far as I know, the sanction hearing hasn't taken place yet?

If not then nobody can possibly know what the independent panel will impose, assuming they don't win their appeal.

This may be what the Premier League want but obviously no guarantee that it's what the independent panel do.

So I'm cautious of any reports until the sanction hearing has taken place.

Isn't one of their beerfs is the panel wasn't independent because guilty verdict exposed before officially announced?
This is looking like going same way...
Etiad airways have employed the world's leading litigation lawyer to look into their complaint of defamation by premier league! Looks like they mean buisness .... was stupid of premier league to make accusations that unquestionably implied Etiad was involved in a scam (even though name not used)

Could be wrong because I don't know much about this stuff, but I think if their main argument is that the panel wasn't independent then it will fail.

Appeal has to be heard within 12 weeks of initial verdict with sanction hearing to follow. So the Premier League are obviously determined to get this done by the end of the season.

What I don't get is I'm sure Everton and Forest had their sanctions put on them immediately, so surely they'll have to do the same with City after the sanction hearing?

By the way, Man City top of the Premier League with seven wins out of seven....

Ned it's just what they claim presumably to have American argument over the verdict ut do have point as yo how it was known before official announcement? Now same happening with punishment doesn't appear to be a secure meeting! Get feeling if they lose appeal etiad will take premier league too cleaners over their statement about a scam...... just looking at that with what was said they have a case?

If they do it fairly like the points Everton got for 1 offence or whatever then man city would be in the conference by now but they won't do it going off other offences by other clubs and the punishment they got and we all know it. It will be double standards when it suits if they are found guilty again. That's what will baffle other clubs fans and fans in general around the world. 4 points for an offence breach Vs the rules others have had if i remember correctly. So we shall see.

If they do it fairly like the points Everton got for 1 offence or whatever then man city would be in the conference by now but they won't do it going off other offences by other clubs and the punishment they got and we all know it. It will be double standards when it suits if they are found guilty again. That's what will baffle other clubs fans and fans in general around the world. 4 points for an offence breach Vs the rules others have had if i remember correctly. So we shall see.

Problem is not all charges are liable to points deduction so main charges are small in total but still worthy of massive points deduction penalties .... but there is also financial consequences for all the clubs in legal fees if man c take it all way..... can see all trophy records expunged but not allocated to losers as part of punishment.

If they do it fairly like the points Everton got for 1 offence or whatever then man city would be in the conference by now but they won't do it going off other offences by other clubs and the punishment they got and we all know it. It will be double standards when it suits if they are found guilty again. That's what will baffle other clubs fans and fans in general around the world. 4 points for an offence breach Vs the rules others have had if i remember correctly. So we shall see.

Problem is not all charges are liable to points deduction so main charges are small in total but still worthy of massive points deduction penalties .... but there is also financial consequences for all the clubs in legal fees if man c take it all way..... can see all trophy records expunged but not allocated to losers as part of punishment.

Ian is right though Allan that Everton got a four point deduction for one charge, so surely for all the Man City charges that are liable to points deductions they should get four points for each of them?

Like I said, I don't know much about this stuff but surely that's the fairest way to do it?

Rangers got demoted to the fourth tier of Scottish Football, for using an, at the time, legal tax scheme (EBTs) to reduce players tax liability. Ultimately the bill to HMRC was £34M. A season in the Championship, with a points deduction, seems a very light punishment, by comparison.

If they do it fairly like the points Everton got for 1 offence or whatever then man city would be in the conference by now but they won't do it going off other offences by other clubs and the punishment they got and we all know it. It will be double standards when it suits if they are found guilty again. That's what will baffle other clubs fans and fans in general around the world. 4 points for an offence breach Vs the rules others have had if i remember correctly. So we shall see.

Problem is not all charges are liable to points deduction so main charges are small in total but still worthy of massive points deduction penalties .... but there is also financial consequences for all the clubs in legal fees if man c take it all way..... can see all trophy records expunged but not allocated to losers as part of punishment.

Ian is right though Allan that Everton got a four point deduction for one charge, so surely for all the Man City charges that are liable to points deductions they should get four points for each of them?

Like I said, I don't know much about this stuff but surely that's the fairest way to do it?

The same happen to Nottingham forest also. That's what I'm saying a profit and sustainability charge is a charge irrelevant, it's 4 a points deduction for ONE financial fair play rule breach.

That's exactly what happened to forest 4 points for one PSR breach and Everton although Everton broke two rules which was a at first a 10 point deduction at the time but on appeal it was rescued to 6 points.

Man city are no different to any other club, let's not forget forest and Everton they got points deducted instantly more or less Vs the rules. I can not for the life of me listen to sky sports saying about man city winning seven in a row and at the top of the league or bigging them up. They cheated and still are cheating to get where they are. Any real football fans knows this.

They deserve the book thrown at them in my opinion but they won't do that because the premier League and the others dealing with it are double standards but you'll all see this sooner or later.

Nobody is going to clap or cheer a one hundred meter sprinter who's had a test after it and got his medal taken off him for taking steroids to run faster right. Same moral of the story different sport , cheating is cheating full stop. You can't make it up as you go along for other clubs over ones who have already had the rules thrown at them for the same thing but the number of charges depending.

If they do it fairly like the points Everton got for 1 offence or whatever then man city would be in the conference by now but they won't do it going off other offences by other clubs and the punishment they got and we all know it. It will be double standards when it suits if they are found guilty again. That's what will baffle other clubs fans and fans in general around the world. 4 points for an offence breach Vs the rules others have had if i remember correctly. So we shall see.

Problem is not all charges are liable to points deduction so main charges are small in total but still worthy of massive points deduction penalties .... but there is also financial consequences for all the clubs in legal fees if man c take it all way..... can see all trophy records expunged but not allocated to losers as part of punishment.

Ian is right though Allan that Everton got a four point deduction for one charge, so surely for all the Man City charges that are liable to points deductions they should get four points for each of them?

Like I said, I don't know much about this stuff but surely that's the fairest way to do it?

Not sure it works that way ned as it would depend on how it came about? But guessing it was a deliberate act as that is what was said! (Scam) also can they sanction them for years they didn't cheat? "If any" in reality they could be deducted 100+ points 10 relegations and millions in fines if take what you say to logical conclusion ... not sure their owners will take things lying down? We know cant go to CAS so can they go to uk courts if they can that as we know could take yrs and money premier league does not have.....is etiads threat some sort of leverage against premier league? Just a thought

If they do it fairly like the points Everton got for 1 offence or whatever then man city would be in the conference by now but they won't do it going off other offences by other clubs and the punishment they got and we all know it. It will be double standards when it suits if they are found guilty again. That's what will baffle other clubs fans and fans in general around the world. 4 points for an offence breach Vs the rules others have had if i remember correctly. So we shall see.

Problem is not all charges are liable to points deduction so main charges are small in total but still worthy of massive points deduction penalties .... but there is also financial consequences for all the clubs in legal fees if man c take it all way..... can see all trophy records expunged but not allocated to losers as part of punishment.

Ian is right though Allan that Everton got a four point deduction for one charge, so surely for all the Man City charges that are liable to points deductions they should get four points for each of them?

Like I said, I don't know much about this stuff but surely that's the fairest way to do it?

Not sure it works that way ned as it would depend on how it came about? But guessing it was a deliberate act as that is what was said! (Scam) also can they sanction them for years they didn't cheat? "If any" in reality they could be deducted 100+ points 10 relegations and millions in fines if take what you say to logical conclusion ... not sure their owners will take things lying down? We know cant go to CAS so can they go to uk courts if they can that as we know could take yrs and money premier league does not have.....is etiads threat some sort of leverage against premier league? Just a thought

Yes it is leverage against the Premier League and the amount of political capital involved is massive.

If they do it fairly like the points Everton got for 1 offence or whatever then man city would be in the conference by now but they won't do it going off other offences by other clubs and the punishment they got and we all know it. It will be double standards when it suits if they are found guilty again. That's what will baffle other clubs fans and fans in general around the world. 4 points for an offence breach Vs the rules others have had if i remember correctly. So we shall see.

Problem is not all charges are liable to points deduction so main charges are small in total but still worthy of massive points deduction penalties .... but there is also financial consequences for all the clubs in legal fees if man c take it all way..... can see all trophy records expunged but not allocated to losers as part of punishment.

Ian is right though Allan that Everton got a four point deduction for one charge, so surely for all the Man City charges that are liable to points deductions they should get four points for each of them?

Like I said, I don't know much about this stuff but surely that's the fairest way to do it?

Not sure it works that way ned as it would depend on how it came about? But guessing it was a deliberate act as that is what was said! (Scam) also can they sanction them for years they didn't cheat? "If any" in reality they could be deducted 100+ points 10 relegations and millions in fines if take what you say to logical conclusion ... not sure their owners will take things lying down? We know cant go to CAS so can they go to uk courts if they can that as we know could take yrs and money premier league does not have.....is etiads threat some sort of leverage against premier league? Just a thought

Yes it is leverage against the Premier League and the amount of political capital involved is massive.

Think premier league are hoping they don't carry thru their threat to sue them because in my humble opinion they have strong case and it could cost premier league more money than they got? so very good leverage ... besides they won't just tell man c here's your punishment I'm sure there will be some sort of negotiating on it to try and avoid appeals and extra expenses...... around 75m at moment big bill for whoever has to pay it!

What gives me hope is Man City had the most expensive lawyers in Europe for the initial enquiry and still lost.

Unfortunately though they have Lord Pannick in their corner, he's the best appeal person in the world. Wins a lot of appeals.

But every football person will want them to be screwed.

What gives me hope is Man City had the most expensive lawyers in Europe for the initial enquiry and still lost.

Unfortunately though they have Lord Pannick in their corner, he's the best appeal person in the world. Wins a lot of appeals.

But every football person will want them to be screwed.

I hope they get screwed like they should do you can't go about breaking the rules others clubs follow or get punished for breaking them. They will try to find loopholes and excuses no doubt but it will be double standards outcome no doubt either way I feel. You can't break 115 rules or whatever it was in total and worm your way out of 115 somehow surely it will show the system is corrupt Vs other teams who have broke the same rules.