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Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:00 pm
great result monday enjoyed every minute welldone boys. im a season ticket holder at bolton and go home and away .just a couple of questions ,although monday was a great result and while its always great to stuff dirty leeds to be honest they were a load of shite and yes you can only beat whats in front of you { and boy did we beat them lol }

havin seen the bluebirds several times now how many players do you think we in our squad that is good enough week in week out to be playin every week in premier league ? i see very good players for the championship but players who have tried but failed in premier league i.e chopra at sunderland & newcastle .bothroyd arsenal ,macphail leeds,koumas wba & wigan and although burke is a really good player ,didnt do much at rangers and scots prem is nowhere near english prem.come on bluebirds give me your honest answers .are we good enough?how many new players would we need to survive?is bellamy our only prem player? cardiff my 2nd team so value your honest opinions. lll be there ill be there ...........
Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:13 pm
I think we have a few players who could do a job against the lower end of the Top flight, Burke, Whitts, Mcnaughton Maybe Mcphail. Then Bellamy, Olyfinjana, Bothroyd could do a good job against most of the teams in the Premier.
The tricky one is Chopra for me, I know he failed when he had his chance, But I think the Bothroyd Chops link up is great and for that reason he could do a job for us in the Premier League.
Lets hope we find out next season.
Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:14 pm
Interesting topic Tony and will cause much debate and divided opinions.
I think that Bothroyd, Chopra, Whittingham, Matthews are the only players with enough quality in their game to be Premiership players.
Obviously Oli would be but he is not a city player as such as he is a loan player.
I don't believe any of DJ's preferred defenders are good enough.
Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:29 pm
You have to look at teams like Blackpool though, who get promoted with a fairly average looking championship side and end up doing pretty well.
They have a few decent players, and brought a couple in, but last season how many of their team would you pick out as premiership players?
Looking at our squad I'm not sure who I'd class as a premiership player, but I don't think we'd need a huge amount of changes to assemble a pretty strong looking squad (including our loan players)
Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:49 pm
Bothroyd, Chopra, Whitts and maybe Kev. Matthews if he gets to play as much as he did last year too. Maybe Wildig also have Prem potential, everytime he steps in he looks good.
Wed Oct 27, 2010 10:26 pm
I think our present squad would hold their own in the Premiership...........to a certain extent.Our defence will be our main problem,which I am sure that will be shored up if we get to the Premier.
Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:28 pm
carlccfc wrote:Interesting topic Tony and will cause much debate and divided opinions.
I think that Bothroyd, Chopra, Whittingham, Matthews are the only players with enough quality in their game to be Premiership players.
Obviously Oli would be but he is not a city player as such as he is a loan player.
I don't believe any of DJ's preferred defenders are good enough.
the only saving grace could be the fact the prem is not as strong as its made out to be.i watch it week in week out and take maybe top 6 or 7 out and every one else are all capable of beatin each other
Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:31 pm
Owain wrote:You have to look at teams like Blackpool though, who get promoted with a fairly average looking championship side and end up doing pretty well.
They have a few decent players, and brought a couple in, but last season how many of their team would you pick out as premiership players?
Looking at our squad I'm not sure who I'd class as a premiership player, but I don't think we'd need a huge amount of changes to assemble a pretty strong looking squad (including our loan players)
blackpool are already startin to struggle thet had a good start but are now being found out and the players they brought in where freebies and players who couldn t make it with other teams they even ended up gettin players on loan from derby and sheff wed......say no more
Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:38 pm
tony r bolton wrote:Owain wrote:You have to look at teams like Blackpool though, who get promoted with a fairly average looking championship side and end up doing pretty well.
They have a few decent players, and brought a couple in, but last season how many of their team would you pick out as premiership players?
Looking at our squad I'm not sure who I'd class as a premiership player, but I don't think we'd need a huge amount of changes to assemble a pretty strong looking squad (including our loan players)
blackpool are already startin to struggle thet had a good start but are now being found out and the players they brought in where freebies and players who couldn t make it with other teams they even ended up gettin players on loan from derby and sheff wed......say no more
I have to agree with Tony from Bolton on that
Thu Oct 28, 2010 12:55 am
Jay
Whitts
Bellamy
Heaton
Marshall if he improved crossing
Chopra maybe
Burke maybe
Thu Oct 28, 2010 1:28 am
Forever Blue wrote:tony r bolton wrote:Owain wrote:You have to look at teams like Blackpool though, who get promoted with a fairly average looking championship side and end up doing pretty well.
They have a few decent players, and brought a couple in, but last season how many of their team would you pick out as premiership players?
Looking at our squad I'm not sure who I'd class as a premiership player, but I don't think we'd need a huge amount of changes to assemble a pretty strong looking squad (including our loan players)
blackpool are already startin to struggle thet had a good start but are now being found out and the players they brought in where freebies and players who couldn t make it with other teams they even ended up gettin players on loan from derby and sheff wed......say no more
I have to agree with Tony from Bolton on that

Very true. I would have to say Whittingham, Bellamy, Bothroyd..(With the right attitude)...Which he seams to have gotten, I think Bellamy Has given all our players a lift Jay seams such a workhouse these days, strange to say after last year tbh.
Excuse the time im writing this Tony f*cking afternoons
BlooooooooooBirds
Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:01 am
Excusing our defence, who don't even appear to be good enough for this division at times, our attacking play is suited to playing against better teams who are willing to get the ball down and play. It's the teams that like to kick the shit out of us and stop us play that we struggle against. So for that reason, against the majority of premier clubs, I believe our current attack would do fine, more than enough to keep us in the division anyway. However, DJ sort our defence out!!!
Thu Oct 28, 2010 8:09 am
i think chopra would do ok in the premiership with cardiff as he is loved by fans and manager witch he really wasnt by sunderland and newcastle witch will affect your performance. also there has been a few flops who stepped up the level but what about the gems that some managers have found out about i.e lescott baines jagielka darren bent also played for a bit, tim cahill, so only time will tell who has the quality to step up a level. i think whitts would do good in the prem as he would have more time on the ball bothroyd would do ok and possibly mcphail with time and space on the ball
Thu Oct 28, 2010 9:41 am
i think our current team would do alright in the prem. take individuals out and put them in another team and their not guaranteed to do ok. but playing with players their used to and know well makes a massive difference.
Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:18 pm
Of those that are PLAYING for us right now:
Bellamy
Bothroyd
Olifinjana
Drinkwater
Chopra
Chopra will score goals anywhere given the right service. Trouble is, he was at a struggling
Sunderland side that just hoofed the ball forward. Bothroyd is OBVIOUSLY good enough, but
needs to be focused. The other three are class. Whittingham I think would suffer because
premiership midfielders would know exactly how to cope with him. i.e. close him down and
give him a whack.
Thu Oct 28, 2010 7:25 pm
That a very hard one as it all depends on the team as a whole, If you have a top class striker but the midfield dont supply the quality balls for a striker then it dont matter who you aren its no! A team needs quality from the back to the front, look at clubs like WBA ,they have been up and down for a number of season, Also Wolves has some top players in there team but! they do have there weak spots and other clubs cash in on that. Its so true to say a good team is like a machine and if there is one or 2 cogs that dont turn as they should the whole machine slows down. Look at Seyi he was in the Wolves team that went up and come down again ,he is a player of quality but he couldnt perform 100% cos other around him were not up to it.
If we go up and I pray we do, Dave is going to have to spend one hell of a lot to keep us there, Dave knows that onlt too well as when he took Wolves up they never got any new players in and I know as a fact some of the player he had was top draw, and Lee Naylor was one of them, Seyi was one of them + Ince and Erwin and Alex Rea a real top class player he was.
So just cos we are buzzing here dont mean at all that we will do well in the prem. But if we can keep Bellamy he can attrack other top class player and we can bulid on that.
Fri Oct 29, 2010 7:04 pm
Forever Blue wrote:tony r bolton wrote:Owain wrote:You have to look at teams like Blackpool though, who get promoted with a fairly average looking championship side and end up doing pretty well.
They have a few decent players, and brought a couple in, but last season how many of their team would you pick out as premiership players?
Looking at our squad I'm not sure who I'd class as a premiership player, but I don't think we'd need a huge amount of changes to assemble a pretty strong looking squad (including our loan players)
blackpool are already startin to struggle thet had a good start but are now being found out and the players they brought in where freebies and players who couldn t make it with other teams they even ended up gettin players on loan from derby and sheff wed......say no more
I have to agree with Tony from Bolton on that

In fairness to Blackpool I think they had a few players hat could have made the step up but they failed to strengthen in pre season. Any team that goes up from the Championship only has 5 players tops who can play at that level. The trick I think is to bring in another 5 who can and pray for no injuries, survive that season and go again with another 5. then you have the making of a squad and can push on and consolidate. On that basis it takes another 2 years to get a side that is capable of not flirting with relegation and can start to have top half aspirations.
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