Wintle

At the time he was moved out I was surprised but not too bothered as my understanding was the manager was going for someone better.

An upgrade, someone a bit more mobile and energetic.

As it turns out that wasn’t the case as BBM should have a the replacement ready.

I really don’t understand his thinking on Wintle. It’s plain to see that Robertson isn’t a no.6 and it’s also plain to see that we need two DM’s away from home especially.

Bielik has stated he was brought in to play as a centre back but if this goes on BBM will have to change things and try him or Chambers there when he’s fit.

Rubin should play a deeper role also.

The thinking is very obvious. He's L1 standard, proven by ZERO championship clubs coming in for him.

Are we going to post about Wintle every day?

The thinking is very obvious. He's L1 standard, proven by ZERO championship clubs coming in for him.

Are we going to post about Wintle every day?

He’s a lot better than league one but maybe not good enough for the championship.

Has he actually played a lot in the championship?

At the time he was moved out I was surprised but not too bothered as my understanding was the manager was going for someone better.

An upgrade, someone a bit more mobile and energetic.

As it turns out that wasn’t the case as BBM should have a the replacement ready.

I really don’t understand his thinking on Wintle. It’s plain to see that Robertson isn’t a no.6 and it’s also plain to see that we need two DM’s away from home especially.

Bielik has stated he was brought in to play as a centre back but if this goes on BBM will have to change things and try him or Chambers there when he’s fit.

Rubin should play a deeper role also.

Quite nice to agree with you 100% wintle over robertson in "that" position anti day but that was done and dusted but last night showed robertson struggling he also gave the Sheffield goals away and I am not trying to make him a scape goat perhaps just playing out of position.

I understood we would have an upgrade on Wintle as well.
Wintle could certainly do a job as well as any of our current squad in that key position. Last season the times he was out, we were exposed, exactly like yesterday. A poor decision letting our player of the year go without an adequate replacement.

The thinking is very obvious. He's L1 standard, proven by ZERO championship clubs coming in for him.

Are we going to post about Wintle every day?

Our squad would be a lot stronger with Wintle in it.

Of the 3 who were out of contract in the summer I was happy it was him that left as its a position where we needed to strengthen the most with the step up a divison. The fact we haven't replaced him at all is the problem.

Robertson isn't a 6 unless there someone else sat next to him. He also picks up yellows and will miss games through suspension (2 in the first 4 games)

Joel isn't a 6.

Rubin isn't a 6.

Turnbull could possibly play there but the same as Robertson needs someone alongside him.

Bielek or Chambers are probably our best options there and Bielek has stated he was signed as a centre back.

It's the most important position on the pitch and Wintle was our player of the season.

We've let him go for nothing and we haven't replaced him.

No other club would do that. We're an embarrassing laughing stock.

Let's not forget when we loaned Wintle to Blackpool when they were in the Championship, he helped get them to 5th in the league.

Wintle would have been better than no natural holding midfielder at all this season.

We will concede many more goals like QPR's second goal this season, where we leave ourselves wide open, with no holding midfielder with the natural instinct to anticipate and cover.

I'm wondering if we will ever manage to keep a clean sheet this season.

It's the most important position on the pitch and Wintle was our player of the season.

We've let him go for nothing and we haven't replaced him.

No other club would do that. We're an embarrassing laughing stock.

Let's not forget when we loaned Wintle to Blackpool when they were in the Championship, he helped get them to 5th in the league.

Wintle would have been better than no natural holding midfielder at all this season.

We will concede many more goals like QPR's second goal this season, where we leave ourselves wide open, with no holding midfielder with the natural instinct to anticipate and cover.

I'm wondering if we will ever manage to keep a clean sheet this season.

Wintle was meant to sign for Oxford. They got put in an embargo so he signed for MK Dons and was the best player on the pitch when MK Dons played Oxford first game.

I can’t believe Wintle would be that out of place in the championship. He excels a lot in league one.

The thinking is very obvious. He's L1 standard, proven by ZERO championship clubs coming in for him.

Are we going to post about Wintle every day?

Yeah you can if you want, it’s a free world.

At the time he was moved out I was surprised but not too bothered as my understanding was the manager was going for someone better.

An upgrade, someone a bit more mobile and energetic.

As it turns out that wasn’t the case as BBM should have a the replacement ready.

I really don’t understand his thinking on Wintle. It’s plain to see that Robertson isn’t a no.6 and it’s also plain to see that we need two DM’s away from home especially.

Bielik has stated he was brought in to play as a centre back but if this goes on BBM will have to change things and try him or Chambers there when he’s fit.

Rubin should play a deeper role also.

Quite nice to agree with you 100% wintle over robertson in "that" position anti day but that was done and dusted but last night showed robertson struggling he also gave the Sheffield goals away and I am not trying to make him a scape goat perhaps just playing out of position.

Exactly and that was my point in posting after last nights performance besides having a sarcastic reply from above.

The point was he got rid of him without replacing him and we're weaker for it.

It's the most important position on the pitch and Wintle was our player of the season.

We've let him go for nothing and we haven't replaced him.

No other club would do that. We're an embarrassing laughing stock.

Let's not forget when we loaned Wintle to Blackpool when they were in the Championship, he helped get them to 5th in the league.

Wintle would have been better than no natural holding midfielder at all this season.

We will concede many more goals like QPR's second goal this season, where we leave ourselves wide open, with no holding midfielder with the natural instinct to anticipate and cover.

I'm wondering if we will ever manage to keep a clean sheet this season.

Wintle was meant to sign for Oxford. They got put in an embargo so he signed for MK Dons and was the best player on the pitch when MK Dons played Oxford first game.

I can’t believe Wintle would be that out of place in the championship. He excels a lot in league one.

Of course he wouldn’t be out of place and would do a better job than Robertson in that position even though he’s a decent player.
If BBM wanted an upgrade then get that sorted first.

Wintle was rarely deployed in his best position before BBM. A few tried him as a cm next to ralls in a 442 then a 433, one even used him as a 10. He was never properly tried as a 6 in the championship. I doubt his salary is that reduced at MK dons and it's the bonuses that make the difference.

I have always believed BBM was putting Robertson there. I think he is learning on the job and will end the season a better 6 than when he started. I think Rubins needs to play like Robertson did last season and stop thinking he is a striker. He was too far advanced all game and went missing because we lost the midfield numbers game.

Wintles has gone and Robertson needs help; let's see how this develops

The thinking is very obvious. He's L1 standard, proven by ZERO championship clubs coming in for him.

Are we going to post about Wintle every day?

He’s a lot better than league one but maybe not good enough for the championship.

Has he actually played a lot in the championship?

Just a bit. A mere 150 games!! He along with NG and Robbo would have been our most experienced Chammpionship players. To listen to certain people on this forum you would think he had spent his entire career in the lower leagues. Trouble is if you repeat something enough times people will believe it. Admitedly I thought he was average with him for us in the Championship but given his form last year it was probably the role he was asked to play under previous managers. When he was on loan in the Championship at Blackpool he was their star player and their fans couldn't believe we had lent him out to them. They were gutted when we recalled him. In my opinion something happened between him and BBM towards the end of the season because he didnt play the last few games.

I find it strange that whilst being voted player of the season, and along with the rest of the squad improving over the course of the season under BBM. That we decide that Wintle wasn’t good enough for the Championship.

Wintle was part of the team that saved our season under Morison(returning from a loan). He initially played a role under Bulut (before being loaned out).

I don’t think the argument is whether Wintle was good enough for other championship squads. For me, the argument is whether Wintle was the best 6 available in our squad. I’d answer that Wintle in the 6, within this team is a more compatible solution than Robertson. Robertson was freed up last year to play higher up and create alongside Colwill and Kellyman. Pocketing a few goals along the way.

Wintle wasn’t in our relegated squad, yet we decide that he’s not good enough for this league whilst affording others who were in our relegated squad, the benefit of the doubt based on their success last year.

He’s gone. I accept that. I accept that BBM has a preference of size and athleticism in that role. But I find the reflections on his ability to be harsh considering the wider context.

I find it strange that whilst being voted player of the season, and along with the rest of the squad improving over the course of the season under BBM. That we decide that Wintle wasn’t good enough for the Championship.

Wintle was part of the team that saved our season under Morison(returning from a loan). He initially played a role under Bulut (before being loaned out).

I don’t think the argument is whether Wintle was good enough for other championship squads. For me, the argument is whether Wintle was the best 6 available in our squad. I’d answer that Wintle in the 6, within this team is a more compatible solution than Robertson. Robertson was freed up last year to play higher up and create alongside Colwill and Kellyman. Pocketing a few goals along the way.

Wintle wasn’t in our relegated squad, yet we decide that he’s not good enough for this league whilst affording others who were in our relegated squad, the benefit of the doubt based on their success last year.

He’s gone. I accept that. I accept that BBM has a preference of size and athleticism in that role. But I find the reflections on his ability to be harsh considering the wider context.

The thinking is very obvious. He's L1 standard, proven by ZERO championship clubs coming in for him.

Are we going to post about Wintle every day?

He’s a lot better than league one but maybe not good enough for the championship.

Has he actually played a lot in the championship?

Just a bit. A mere 150 games!! He along with NG and Robbo would have been our most experienced Chammpionship players. To listen to certain people on this forum you would think he had spent his entire career in the lower leagues. Trouble is if you repeat something enough times people will believe it. Admitedly I thought he was average with him for us in the Championship but given his form last year it was probably the role he was asked to play under previous managers. When he was on loan in the Championship at Blackpool he was their star player and their fans couldn't believe we had lent him out to them. They were gutted when we recalled him. In my opinion something happened between him and BBM towards the end of the season because he didnt play the last few games.

The BBM factor.

The thinking is very obvious. He's L1 standard, proven by ZERO championship clubs coming in for him.

Are we going to post about Wintle every day?

He’s a lot better than league one but maybe not good enough for the championship.

Has he actually played a lot in the championship?

Just a bit. A mere 150 games!! He along with NG and Robbo would have been our most experienced Chammpionship players. To listen to certain people on this forum you would think he had spent his entire career in the lower leagues. Trouble is if you repeat something enough times people will believe it. Admitedly I thought he was average with him for us in the Championship but given his form last year it was probably the role he was asked to play under previous managers. When he was on loan in the Championship at Blackpool he was their star player and their fans couldn't believe we had lent him out to them. They were gutted when we recalled him. In my opinion something happened between him and BBM towards the end of the season because he didnt play the last few games.

Lets look at the actual numbers.

Blackpool was 18 appearances, 0 goals, 0 assits with an average of 6.9/10. Good rep yes, star man... no.

Of the 155 championship appearances, only 44% were starts; so in 6 seasons he has less than 100 starts. Squad player numbers.

In fact, his 2 most prolific seasons were 2021/22 for us where he started 38 games, 0 goals, 1 assist and 6.91/10. And last season in L1 with 38 starts, 1 goal, 7 assits and a career high 7.35/10.

His loan to Championship Milwall 2024/25 resulted in 3 starts.

L1 player.

I cannot recall a single standout game in the Championship by Wintle. L1 there were many.

Come on SB 1927. Players can all of a sudden come good at any point. He was a steady Eddy prior to last season and then he excelled. It might not have happened under a different coach, but it did under BBM.

It was nothing pretty with him but his influence on the pitch last year was plain for all to see (and his peers seen it too - about as good as it gets that!).

Currently, who are we gonna play there if Robertson gets injured? Eli King?....oh wait, he's gone too. We'd struggle man - obviously the Polish defender will need to step up when our other CB's are back. He wasn't on a big wage, he may not of wanted an extra long contract either. We could really do with him now. It was a mistake to let him go.

BBM perhaps didn't like the 'joker' side of him I think, possibly a bit disruptive...and BBM is so serious. Clashed perhaps???

So Wintle is L1 standard, but our best player last year. Far better than the players who we are now hoping to get us success in the championship....should be an interesting season

The thinking is very obvious. He's L1 standard, proven by ZERO championship clubs coming in for him.

Are we going to post about Wintle every day?

He’s a lot better than league one but maybe not good enough for the championship.

Has he actually played a lot in the championship?

Just a bit. A mere 150 games!! He along with NG and Robbo would have been our most experienced Chammpionship players. To listen to certain people on this forum you would think he had spent his entire career in the lower leagues. Trouble is if you repeat something enough times people will believe it. Admitedly I thought he was average with him for us in the Championship but given his form last year it was probably the role he was asked to play under previous managers. When he was on loan in the Championship at Blackpool he was their star player and their fans couldn't believe we had lent him out to them. They were gutted when we recalled him. In my opinion something happened between him and BBM towards the end of the season because he didnt play the last few games.

Lets look at the actual numbers.

Blackpool was 18 appearances, 0 goals, 0 assits with an average of 6.9/10. Good rep yes, star man... no.

Of the 155 championship appearances, only 44% were starts; so in 6 seasons he has less than 100 starts. Squad player numbers.

In fact, his 2 most prolific seasons were 2021/22 for us where he started 38 games, 0 goals, 1 assist and 6.91/10. And last season in L1 with 38 starts, 1 goal, 7 assits and a career high 7.35/10.

His loan to Championship Milwall 2024/25 resulted in 3 starts.

L1 player.

I cannot recall a single standout game in the Championship by Wintle. L1 there were many.

I’d take an average of 6.91.

It's a very strange decision by BBM . Wintle player of year by both fans and the players. He hasn't been replaced and even if he was I believe as a squad player he would have added value.

It's happened now and we are well short in this position as Robertson is definitely not a number 6 in my opinion. Mistakes recently show this too.

Come on SB 1927. Players can all of a sudden come good at any point. He was a steady Eddy prior to last season and then he excelled. It might not have happened under a different coach, but it did under BBM.

It was nothing pretty with him but his influence on the pitch last year was plain for all to see (and his peers seen it too - about as good as it gets that!).

Currently, who are we gonna play there if Robertson gets injured? Eli King?....oh wait, he's gone too. We'd struggle man - obviously the Polish defender will need to step up when our other CB's are back. He wasn't on a big wage, he may not of wanted an extra long contract either. We could really do with him now. It was a mistake to let him go.

BBM perhaps didn't like the 'joker' side of him I think, possibly a bit disruptive...and BBM is so serious. Clashed perhaps???

I am sure something happened at the club between him and BBM or maybe Choo. It was only a few months before that they were on about a new contract. The Wintle not good enough agenda being pushed on this forum by some people has left me baffled.