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I’m not usual a fan or keen on the French / BUT

Mon Jun 15, 2026 7:24 pm

As I Detest Trump:

French President Macron has just delivered a huge shock to Trump

He said: It's not the Americans or Trump who decide France's Future nor do they decide French or European law.

That will not happen as long as I'm alive

He is not bending infront of Trump. What a leader

Re: I’m not usual a fan or keen on the French / BUT

Mon Jun 15, 2026 7:50 pm

Think leaders are beginning to see that trump is all mouth and if you give back what he gives he backs down! Spain same either Israel and Netanyahu hates it... shame starmer can't stand up to the Israeli interference in UK affairs.

Re: I’m not usual a fan or keen on the French / BUT

Mon Jun 15, 2026 7:58 pm

pembroke allan wrote:Think leaders are beginning to see that trump is all mouth and if you give back what he gives he backs down! Spain same either Israel and Netanyahu hates it... shame starmer can't stand up to the Israeli interference in UK affairs.


Agree with this.

But remember that Macron has nothing really to lose. He's going next year so doesn't have to worry about elections.

Re: I’m not usual a fan or keen on the French / BUT

Tue Jun 16, 2026 10:55 am

Forever Blue wrote:As I Detest Trump:

French President Macron has just delivered a huge shock to Trump

He said: It's not the Americans or Trump who decide France's Future nor do they decide French or European law.

That will not happen as long as I'm alive

He is not bending infront of Trump. What a leader

Compare that to the cringey episode when Stammer met Trump in The White House and pulled out from his pocket that invitation from the King to visit the UK

Re: I’m not usual a fan or keen on the French / BUT

Tue Jun 16, 2026 11:04 am

JJ1927 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:As I Detest Trump:

French President Macron has just delivered a huge shock to Trump

He said: It's not the Americans or Trump who decide France's Future nor do they decide French or European law.

That will not happen as long as I'm alive

He is not bending infront of Trump. What a leader

Compare that to the cringey episode when Stammer met Trump in The White House and pulled out from his pocket that invitation from the King to visit the UK


Not defending Starmer because I'm not a fan but let's not pretend Macron hasn't been like it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-43873192

Like I said, Macron can say what he wants at the moment because he doesn't have to worry about elections.

Re: I’m not usual a fan or keen on the French / BUT

Wed Jun 17, 2026 7:01 am

Trump is just the latest in a long line of vile leaders, of the USA. His style is different but , like all of them, it’s about continuing the US hegemony. Invading countries and nicking their stuff. Ukraine is now pretty much owned by American businesses. As is Venezuela.

Re: I’m not usual a fan or keen on the French / BUT

Wed Jun 17, 2026 7:03 am

JJ1927 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:As I Detest Trump:

French President Macron has just delivered a huge shock to Trump

He said: It's not the Americans or Trump who decide France's Future nor do they decide French or European law.

That will not happen as long as I'm alive

He is not bending infront of Trump. What a leader

Compare that to the cringey episode when Stammer met Trump in The White House and pulled out from his pocket that invitation from the King to visit the UK

Starmer is the worst PM of my lifetime, and the most sinister.

Re: I’m not usual a fan or keen on the French / BUT

Wed Jun 17, 2026 8:30 am

Jock wrote:
JJ1927 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:As I Detest Trump:

French President Macron has just delivered a huge shock to Trump

He said: It's not the Americans or Trump who decide France's Future nor do they decide French or European law.

That will not happen as long as I'm alive

He is not bending infront of Trump. What a leader

Compare that to the cringey episode when Stammer met Trump in The White House and pulled out from his pocket that invitation from the King to visit the UK

Starmer is the worst PM of my lifetime, and the most sinister.



Agreed Starmer is upmtheirvwith the very worst PM’s.

Re: I’m not usual a fan or keen on the French / BUT

Wed Jun 17, 2026 9:59 am

Jock wrote:
JJ1927 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:As I Detest Trump:

French President Macron has just delivered a huge shock to Trump

He said: It's not the Americans or Trump who decide France's Future nor do they decide French or European law.

That will not happen as long as I'm alive

He is not bending infront of Trump. What a leader

Compare that to the cringey episode when Stammer met Trump in The White House and pulled out from his pocket that invitation from the King to visit the UK

Starmer is the worst PM of my lifetime, and the most sinister.


Wouldn't mark him as low as Liz Truss but I get the argument.

Starmer is done if Burnham wins tomorrow anyway.

Re: I’m not usual a fan or keen on the French / BUT

Wed Jun 17, 2026 1:19 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:
Jock wrote:
JJ1927 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:As I Detest Trump:

French President Macron has just delivered a huge shock to Trump

He said: It's not the Americans or Trump who decide France's Future nor do they decide French or European law.

That will not happen as long as I'm alive

He is not bending infront of Trump. What a leader

Compare that to the cringey episode when Stammer met Trump in The White House and pulled out from his pocket that invitation from the King to visit the UK

Starmer is the worst PM of my lifetime, and the most sinister.


Wouldn't mark him as low as Liz Truss but I get the argument.

Starmer is done if Burnham wins tomorrow anyway.


And if he loses! Its a lose lose situation

Re: I’m not usual a fan or keen on the French / BUT

Wed Jun 17, 2026 1:57 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:
Jock wrote:
JJ1927 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:As I Detest Trump:

French President Macron has just delivered a huge shock to Trump

He said: It's not the Americans or Trump who decide France's Future nor do they decide French or European law.

That will not happen as long as I'm alive

He is not bending infront of Trump. What a leader

Compare that to the cringey episode when Stammer met Trump in The White House and pulled out from his pocket that invitation from the King to visit the UK

Starmer is the worst PM of my lifetime, and the most sinister.


Wouldn't mark him as low as Liz Truss but I get the argument.

Starmer is done if Burnham wins tomorrow anyway.


Starmer has a huge authoritarian streak. Keeps saying "fear and division" as if that's a get out of jail free card. Liz Truss took a huge gamble and got sunk on day one... At least she had the sense to realize she was cooked. I do agree though he'll be gone very shortly. I wonder how Labour will spin it when the opposition parties start to say they don't have a mandate

Re: I’m not usual a fan or keen on the French / BUT

Wed Jun 17, 2026 3:24 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:
Jock wrote:
JJ1927 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:As I Detest Trump:

French President Macron has just delivered a huge shock to Trump

He said: It's not the Americans or Trump who decide France's Future nor do they decide French or European law.

That will not happen as long as I'm alive

He is not bending infront of Trump. What a leader

Compare that to the cringey episode when Stammer met Trump in The White House and pulled out from his pocket that invitation from the King to visit the UK

Starmer is the worst PM of my lifetime, and the most sinister.


Wouldn't mark him as low as Liz Truss but I get the argument.

Starmer is done if Burnham wins tomorrow anyway.

Truss wasn’t trying to censor criticism and descent. Truss wasn’t jailing people for tweets, Truss wasn’t pushing compulsory ID cards. Truss wasn’t trying to control the media and restrict social media. Truss was brought down by the Bank of England, we’ll never know how the economy would have went, under Truss, what we do know is is being getting gradually worse, since the 90s and been a disaster since the 2008 crash.
Starmer will win easily, Restore have destroyed Reforms chances.

Re: I’m not usual a fan or keen on the French / BUT

Wed Jun 17, 2026 3:27 pm

Jock wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:
Jock wrote:
JJ1927 wrote:
Forever Blue wrote:As I Detest Trump:

French President Macron has just delivered a huge shock to Trump

He said: It's not the Americans or Trump who decide France's Future nor do they decide French or European law.

That will not happen as long as I'm alive

He is not bending infront of Trump. What a leader

Compare that to the cringey episode when Stammer met Trump in The White House and pulled out from his pocket that invitation from the King to visit the UK

Starmer is the worst PM of my lifetime, and the most sinister.


Wouldn't mark him as low as Liz Truss but I get the argument.

Starmer is done if Burnham wins tomorrow anyway.

Truss wasn’t trying to censor criticism and descent. Truss wasn’t jailing people for tweets, Truss wasn’t pushing compulsory ID cards. Truss wasn’t trying to control the media and restrict social media. Truss was brought down by the Bank of England, we’ll never know how the economy would have went, under Truss, what we do know is is being getting gradually worse, since the 90s and been a disaster since the 2008 crash.
Starmer will win easily, Restore have destroyed Reforms chances.


We'll agree to disagree but I personally think Truss was worse. I am not arguing that Starmer is in the conversation though.

I hope in the future he'll admit to making bad decisions, but not sure he will.