OT: YOUR SENNEDD ELECTION VOTE?

[Sludge]

So, Sludge, Blemmy, Dinistr.....a question for you:

Are you happy with 25+ years of Labour/Plaid failure in Wales — yes or no?

No waffle. No politician’s answer.

If the answer is yes, then crack on — but don’t complain when Wales keeps lagging behind England.

If the answer is no, then surely it’s time to stop rewarding failure and try something different.

To date Labour have not done all the things that I would have expected them to do but I still feel they have achieved many socialist advances and are reducing the number of immigrants although I never felt that issue was a bad as Reform were making out. I also cannot believe what Reform are telling us that if we send less than 1% of the population back to their country of origin that all our ills will disappear either!! We can bandy about whether this is good or this is bad until our toes turn blue but let me ask you one thing Woodruff. You feel that Wales and the UK generally needs change and you feel Reform will deliver that change. How do you correlate that with the fact that Farage has filled Reform's senior positions with the same gang of lying, corrupt, self-centred and incompetent Tories who subjected the UK to 14 years of systematic misery so much so that the good people of the UK showed the Tories the door for a long time in 2024?

70 percent of reform voters are ex tories

That says everything

The tory party wasnt right wing enough for them so now they have reform

Labour voters have mostly gone to lib dem , greens , independents or in Wales , Plaid

I am lending my vote to plaid or lib dems or at a push green to try to keep out reform

If labour elect a new leader and stop pissing about and challenge reform then I would vote for them again but if not so be it

[Sludge]

Ok , wales is not a " sanctuary nation "

We are not letting in or encouraging in thousands of immigrants , refugees etc

The name sanctuary was a stupid name to choose for the welsh version of what happens in england , scotland and northern ireland .....its all funded by central westminster government

And its to help new arrivals do what you want .....integrate , fit in , learn our language , our culture , our laws

Isnt that what you want of immigrants ?

Wales does not control immigration .....thats controlled by the uk government

We don' t want new arrivals period.

By we you me you



But you only speak for yourself and people who agree with you

30 percent in wales want all new arrivals stopped , reform voters

Thats outnumbered by those who vote for parties who want sensible , stricter immigration

[Starvinmarvin]

Sludge,

Not quite:

Yes, immigration is controlled by the Home Office, not Wales. But “Nation of Sanctuary” isn’t just a UK scheme with a different name It' is the Welsh Government's policy about how asylum seekers etc are supported, by us tax payers, once they arrive.


And pretending it only affects “a few thousand people” is misleading. The numbers may be small compared to the population, but the impact is HUGE - especially on our shortage of housing, appalling local services, school spaces (or lack of them) and healthcare in busy towns/cities, which are already under pressure. It will only get worse unless someone like Reform grabs this country by the balls and does something.

English , Welsh , Scottish and Northern Ireland governments all have resettlement schemes ......its a legal requirement

Ours ...is called , stupidly .....nation of sanctuary

In scotland its something else ...but same sort of scheme .in northern ireland they called it the nothern ireland refugee resettlement scheme

I really cant be any clearer than that

Reform and you guys are painting the nation of sanctuary as some kind of open door policy .....but thats false .....its down to central uk government who comes or doesnt come ...the nation of sanctuary doesnt increase the number of people coming in ...it doesnt have the power to ..

Its no good pretending 0.057 percent of the welsh economy being spent on 3000 migrants is leading to no houses for ex squaddies or over crowded hospitals and schools ....

Population growth ...including legal immigration ......14 years of record figures under the conservatives.....is the problem and labour who are crap I agree , have cut that figure from 700000 per year to around 300000

Well said Sludge - and of course you are absolutely correct with the facts you have set out. The problem for Reform and why you will never convince a Reform supporter of the facts is that the cornerstone of their raison d'etre in UK politics is that dealing with the immigration "problem" will sort out everything that is wrong in today's UK - Politically, financially, economically, employment wise, housing wise, benefits wise and crime wise. If they accept there is no immigration "problem" and in any case, that what numbers there were, are now falling daily under Labour; there isn't much necessity for Reform to exist and they all then have to go back to their humdrum lives like the rest of us!!

“You will never convince a Reform Supporter of the facts”

Is that because we’re all thick and spend most of our time in Wetherspoons?
Interesting how the new faux socialists, who despise working class people, believe they’re more intelligent, more discerning and generally more politically savvy , than those voting for Reform. It’s like a comfort blanket, for them.
Speaking personally, I know an end to uncontrolled mass economic migration won’t suddenly make everything right but to pretend migrants don’t commit a disproportionate amount of crime, particularly sexual crime, is simply denying reality. The lack of integration is very worrying. Many Muslims simply don’t want to assimilate. Indeed, as many of them boast, they don’t want to take part, they want to take over. Reform have pledged to levy a 4% tax on Amazon while scrapping business rates for independent high street businesses. They’ve pledged to stop the dinghies and reduce our unsustainable benefits bill. All these policies appeal to me. Labour have a weird voter base of the middle class, predominantly public sector employed and the benefits scrounging PIP scamming social parasite class. The former can then wallow in the virtue of caring for the latter.
Meanwhile Wales and the wider UK, continues to sink lower and lower.

What a load of bollocks

Get a job you sponging social parasite.

I have got one , its far too difficult for the likes of you to do though

Theres more to life than living on google you old puff

What do you mean there isn't an immigration "problem" I don't know if you've noticed migrant hotels popping up, that means we've completely run out of places to house them, that's not normal, the NHS gets worse every year too many people, the roads get worse too many people. The infrastructure we have is over capacity. You can't stick your head in the sand and pretend it's not happening and yes stopping people coming and then building more of everything is the way you fix it

Even 5 immigrants in 3 million would be too many for some people

Theres a small immigrant population in Wales , its certainly not wrecking the country

All immigration needs managing which is where in certain parts of the uk there is problems

But the roads and NHS in Wales is not in a bad way because of immigrants

In fact the NHS and care industry would collapse if it wasnt for immigrants , certainly in South Wales

The local carers I see are all from india , Africa , Eastern Europe

I have a family member that has just qualified as a nurse, there are no jobs available. Same for paramedics. The care industry maybe it's a job that nobody seems to want. The roads and NHS nationwide are in a bad way because of overpopulation. The NHS in Wales is the worst of all devolved national because Labour and Plaid have been in charge

[New Day Rising]

The only solution is a military coup

Exactly , would've been an ideal opportunity to instal Captain Dai Hunt, as a Welsh version of Braveheart , can you imagine him storming the Senyd on his trusted bicycle, flaying his large scarf above his head ,whilst ringing his bell in anger at the Welsh Assembly members...

[brickyblue]

Everyone saying wales has less imagination and they agree with more imagination is delusional in my opinion
People are all good until its in there streer or neighbourhood.
There is way to much imagination but wales hasn't yet the numbers of england but we will .
Its to much a burden on everything in the uk.
Defence spending is way down
Welfare way up
Local services effected
Not to mention our culture being eroded
Schools and universities changing with way to many visas issued .
Prime minister after prime minister has ignored this and now so.are the people of wales.
Country of sanctuary they.say its ridiculous.
Multiculturalism hasn't worked and people want more to.come in.

If the uk needs a particular service or people with qualifications to help fill gaps in the work place great get people here from what ever Country no issue with that and welcome to wales .

Unveted people with no passport shouldn't be allowed in and we now how over 1 m a year in legal immigration to a tiny island and enough is enough.
Japan should be japan Nigeria Nigeria and wales wales .
When is enough enough for people
All of Europe and America canada is in the same mess its orchestrated by governments this is and this is why im voting for reform.
This isn't my opinion its a fact .
You vote plaid labour or lib dems open the gates to more craziness.

Our schools and universities are indoctrinated with odd ideologies aswell.
Im all.for immigration and i have many people i no not from this country a d lovely people who contribute and intergrate in welsh life thats the people we want here .
Thats my opinion so.do you.want more or less of this ?
Be careful who you vote for

[fred keenor]

Stamer took a new suit and glasses, was vilified
Farage takes an undeclared 5 million donation to himself from a foreign billionaire and not a question asked by any of the media
Nathan gill ex reform leader who they all denied knowing , in prison for asking questions and taking money from Russian spies
Follow the dots

[froggy1927]

Everyone saying wales has less imagination and they agree with more imagination is delusional in my opinion
People are all good until its in there streer or neighbourhood.
There is way to much imagination but wales hasn't yet the numbers of england but we will .
Its to much a burden on everything in the uk.
Defence spending is way down
Welfare way up
Local services effected
Not to mention our culture being eroded
Schools and universities changing with way to many visas issued .
Prime minister after prime minister has ignored this and now so.are the people of wales.
Country of sanctuary they.say its ridiculous.
Multiculturalism hasn't worked and people want more to.come in.

If the uk needs a particular service or people with qualifications to help fill gaps in the work place great get people here from what ever Country no issue with that and welcome to wales .

Unveted people with no passport shouldn't be allowed in and we now how over 1 m a year in legal immigration to a tiny island and enough is enough.
Japan should be japan Nigeria Nigeria and wales wales .
When is enough enough for people
All of Europe and America canada is in the same mess its orchestrated by governments this is and this is why im voting for reform.
This isn't my opinion its a fact .
You vote plaid labour or lib dems open the gates to more craziness.

Our schools and universities are indoctrinated with odd ideologies aswell.
Im all.for immigration and i have many people i no not from this country a d lovely people who contribute and intergrate in welsh life thats the people we want here .
Thats my opinion so.do you.want more or less of this ?
Be careful who you vote for

Anyone in denial over this should visit city road or clifton street then they might see the issue

The amount of local businesses that had to close down because they couldn't afford the lease for city road is crazy
It's even crazier when you see how many barbers have suddenly popped up there and they all seem to have more staff than customers
Yet I'm supposed to believe that they can all drive BMW's off 4 haircuts a day

I know where that money really comes from and don't believe for a second that the authorities don't

I work on city road and live around the corner so when people try to deny that there is a problem I know they haven't got a clue what they are talking about

[Starvinmarvin]

Stamer took a new suit and glasses, was vilified
Farage takes an undeclared 5 million donation to himself from a foreign billionaire and not a question asked by any of the media
Nathan gill ex reform leader who they all denied knowing , in prison for asking questions and taking money from Russian spies
Follow the dots

That's all fine and dandy if you've one side is whiter than white, but labour have lurched from scandal to scandal since they got in

[stickywicket]

Deform are fast becoming the looney party
If you vote Green in your constituency you'll get a detention centre
So the people who voted Deform in the said constituency will be punished
No new railway stations.Great if you live on the M4 corrider,not so good if you live in e.g Abertillery.
A torturous Journey by car ,then there's the cost of parking.

[Starvinmarvin]

Deform are fast becoming the looney party
If you vote Green in your constituency you'll get a detention centre
So the people who voted Deform in the said constituency will be punished
No new railway stations.Great if you live on the M4 corrider,not so good if you live in e.g Abertillery.
A torturous Journey by car ,then there's the cost of parking.

What planet are you on, we've been begging for a relief road forever. A couple of train stations will fix nothing.

Also it's a great policy everyone gets what they vote for

[Sludge]

Everyone saying wales has less imagination and they agree with more imagination is delusional in my opinion
People are all good until its in there streer or neighbourhood.
There is way to much imagination but wales hasn't yet the numbers of england but we will .
Its to much a burden on everything in the uk.
Defence spending is way down
Welfare way up
Local services effected
Not to mention our culture being eroded
Schools and universities changing with way to many visas issued .
Prime minister after prime minister has ignored this and now so.are the people of wales.
Country of sanctuary they.say its ridiculous.
Multiculturalism hasn't worked and people want more to.come in.

If the uk needs a particular service or people with qualifications to help fill gaps in the work place great get people here from what ever Country no issue with that and welcome to wales .

Unveted people with no passport shouldn't be allowed in and we now how over 1 m a year in legal immigration to a tiny island and enough is enough.
Japan should be japan Nigeria Nigeria and wales wales .
When is enough enough for people
All of Europe and America canada is in the same mess its orchestrated by governments this is and this is why im voting for reform.
This isn't my opinion its a fact .
You vote plaid labour or lib dems open the gates to more craziness.

Our schools and universities are indoctrinated with odd ideologies aswell.
Im all.for immigration and i have many people i no not from this country a d lovely people who contribute and intergrate in welsh life thats the people we want here .
Thats my opinion so.do you.want more or less of this ?
Be careful who you vote for

You were informed by a couple of posters on here that immigration was not a function of the welsh government and that the nation of sanctuary arguement you were using was incorrect as it was just a name ....a stupid one ....for a policy thats operating throughout the uk

Labour and Plaid havnt given themselves special powers to flood wales .....through this nation of sanctuary ...its not a policy to bring anyone here .....the welsh government cant legally do that

I thought you had understood that in your response but you are off talking double dutch again with this reply

Defence spending ? Thats not down because of immigration , its down because the conservatives ...and you sound like a conservative before you became reform .......under cameron , may , boris and sunak .....cut defence spending

Its labour .....who are crap .....who have INCREASED defence spending for the first time in years !

And immigration in total .......something else that was explained .....has reduced , under labour ....from 700000 under the conservatives .....to 300000 now

What else you expect I dont know but reform voters and reform blame Labour for the boats , immigration and the murder of those little girls in southport .....one month after starmer and labour took over ? ....what do you expect them to do in one month ?

Good grief I am staggered

[Sludge]

Sludge,

Not quite:

Yes, immigration is controlled by the Home Office, not Wales. But “Nation of Sanctuary” isn’t just a UK scheme with a different name It' is the Welsh Government's policy about how asylum seekers etc are supported, by us tax payers, once they arrive.


And pretending it only affects “a few thousand people” is misleading. The numbers may be small compared to the population, but the impact is HUGE - especially on our shortage of housing, appalling local services, school spaces (or lack of them) and healthcare in busy towns/cities, which are already under pressure. It will only get worse unless someone like Reform grabs this country by the balls and does something.

English , Welsh , Scottish and Northern Ireland governments all have resettlement schemes ......its a legal requirement

Ours ...is called , stupidly .....nation of sanctuary

In scotland its something else ...but same sort of scheme .in northern ireland they called it the nothern ireland refugee resettlement scheme

I really cant be any clearer than that

Reform and you guys are painting the nation of sanctuary as some kind of open door policy .....but thats false .....its down to central uk government who comes or doesnt come ...the nation of sanctuary doesnt increase the number of people coming in ...it doesnt have the power to ..

Its no good pretending 0.057 percent of the welsh economy being spent on 3000 migrants is leading to no houses for ex squaddies or over crowded hospitals and schools ....

Population growth ...including legal immigration ......14 years of record figures under the conservatives.....is the problem and labour who are crap I agree , have cut that figure from 700000 per year to around 300000

Well said Sludge - and of course you are absolutely correct with the facts you have set out. The problem for Reform and why you will never convince a Reform supporter of the facts is that the cornerstone of their raison d'etre in UK politics is that dealing with the immigration "problem" will sort out everything that is wrong in today's UK - Politically, financially, economically, employment wise, housing wise, benefits wise and crime wise. If they accept there is no immigration "problem" and in any case, that what numbers there were, are now falling daily under Labour; there isn't much necessity for Reform to exist and they all then have to go back to their humdrum lives like the rest of us!!

“You will never convince a Reform Supporter of the facts”

Is that because we’re all thick and spend most of our time in Wetherspoons?
Interesting how the new faux socialists, who despise working class people, believe they’re more intelligent, more discerning and generally more politically savvy , than those voting for Reform. It’s like a comfort blanket, for them.
Speaking personally, I know an end to uncontrolled mass economic migration won’t suddenly make everything right but to pretend migrants don’t commit a disproportionate amount of crime, particularly sexual crime, is simply denying reality. The lack of integration is very worrying. Many Muslims simply don’t want to assimilate. Indeed, as many of them boast, they don’t want to take part, they want to take over. Reform have pledged to levy a 4% tax on Amazon while scrapping business rates for independent high street businesses. They’ve pledged to stop the dinghies and reduce our unsustainable benefits bill. All these policies appeal to me. Labour have a weird voter base of the middle class, predominantly public sector employed and the benefits scrounging PIP scamming social parasite class. The former can then wallow in the virtue of caring for the latter.
Meanwhile Wales and the wider UK, continues to sink lower and lower.

What a load of bollocks

Get a job you sponging social parasite.

I have got one , its far too difficult for the likes of you to do though

Theres more to life than living on google you old puff

What do you mean there isn't an immigration "problem" I don't know if you've noticed migrant hotels popping up, that means we've completely run out of places to house them, that's not normal, the NHS gets worse every year too many people, the roads get worse too many people. The infrastructure we have is over capacity. You can't stick your head in the sand and pretend it's not happening and yes stopping people coming and then building more of everything is the way you fix it

Even 5 immigrants in 3 million would be too many for some people

Theres a small immigrant population in Wales , its certainly not wrecking the country

All immigration needs managing which is where in certain parts of the uk there is problems

But the roads and NHS in Wales is not in a bad way because of immigrants

In fact the NHS and care industry would collapse if it wasnt for immigrants , certainly in South Wales

The local carers I see are all from india , Africa , Eastern Europe

I have a family member that has just qualified as a nurse, there are no jobs available. Same for paramedics. The care industry maybe it's a job that nobody seems to want. The roads and NHS nationwide are in a bad way because of overpopulation. The NHS in Wales is the worst of all devolved national because Labour and Plaid have been in charge

The nhs is wales is not in trouble because of overpopulation .....which you are clearly implying is down to immigration ....same as the roads ..thats just more cars and poor public transport

The problem is underinvestment .....we have had 14 years of austerity from the conservatives and thats led to less income for wales , scotland etc

Blair was a lying git for his invasion of iraq but public investment in schools , roads , nhs etc was far better

We are paying the price for the lack of investment since 2010

Immigration is one of a number of issues this country has to deal with realistically ...energy , middle east problems , the NHS , building afforable housing ........it was the conservatives who sold all the effing council houses !

We will build new ones they said ......did they bollocks !

[Jock]

Your last sentence sums up the crucial difference between old school leftists and the rest of us. For me life is about self reliance, for you it’s about state dependence. I grew up in a council house, in a shite scheme, people with your mindset believe I should have settled for that and never tried to improve my situation. Basically the poisonous politics of envy.

[Forever Blue]

“ So true “

[litoblues]

Could easily end up with plaid with north and west of Swansea likely to vote for them.. look forward to a470 charges and 50 mph motorways.. nanny state on steroids.. if we can't get reform I'd rather stick with the shit we already have.. plaid will be a disaster for wales

[Woodruff]

Fewer than 100 Cardiff City F.C. fans voted in this MB poll, but it’s still encouraging that the majority appear to be backing Reform UK

18 – Plaid Cymru

6 – Welsh Conservatives

5 – Welsh Labour

For what used to be a strong Labour stronghold in Wales, that’s pretty remarkable.

[Sludge]

Your last sentence sums up the crucial difference between old school leftists and the rest of us. For me life is about self reliance, for you it’s about state dependence. I grew up in a council house, in a shite scheme, people with your mindset believe I should have settled for that and never tried to improve my situation. Basically the poisonous politics of envy.

For you life is about being selfish

I grew up in a council house too , it was given back to the council when my old man got a job that enabled him to buy the family a private house listen to this idiot talking as if hes the new self made working class hero lol

I think your comments on here are the politics of spite and division , I have plenty of money thanks very much but if you do ever need a leg up I hope you get what you need to fund your alcohol and rent boy addiction xx

[Sludge]

“ So true “

Well hopefully it wont be that DICK farage

[Sludge]

Fewer than 100 Cardiff City F.C. fans voted in this MB poll, but it’s still encouraging that the majority appear to be backing Reform UK

18 – Plaid Cymru

6 – Welsh Conservatives

5 – Welsh Labour

For what used to be a strong Labour stronghold in Wales, that’s pretty remarkable.

This is a website where most of the posters are either conservative voters or now reform voters

Nothing wrong with that , it is what it is

So its clear that most would support Reform , hardly a surprise

The vote for reform is going to be higher as it is across England and Scotland

I dont think Reform is the answer and they are a one trick pony

I hope they dont get enough seats to Rule but if they do thats democracy and we will see what happens

[PlasticFantastic]

I'm not telling anyone how to vote, but it's deeply troubling that my fellow Welshman and Cardiffians are falling for the oldest grift in the book and voting for Reform.


Welshman fought to create the NHS. Farage want it's destroyed.

He gets £5mil backhander from a Cryptocurrency Thai business man and we are to believe that's ok.

He wanted us out of Europe, and that was a waste of time.

Reform is an English-centric party. They don't give a shit about Wales

Making you believe that it's your brown neighbours that are the problem and not the elite class who dodge tax and squeeze the working class for profits.

Don't be a fool and fall for this Reform bullshit. It's not a badge of honour for 'Getting Out Country Back" it's a clear sign that you've been duped into following a horrible greedy c**t.

Please Cardiff be better than this and flush these English Rich Pricks out of Wales. They are the ones that don't belong.

[Forever Blue]

Diane Abbott was visiting a school.


She noticed a boy in the field standing alone, while all the other kids are running around having fun. She took pity on him and decided to speak to him...

*You OK?" she says.

*Yes." he replied.

"You can go and play with the other kids." she responds.

"It's best I stay here." he replied.

"Why?" said Diane.

"Because I'm the f*cking goalkeeper.".

[brickyblue]

Everyone saying wales has less imagination and they agree with more imagination is delusional in my opinion
People are all good until its in there streer or neighbourhood.
There is way to much imagination but wales hasn't yet the numbers of england but we will .
Its to much a burden on everything in the uk.
Defence spending is way down
Welfare way up
Local services effected
Not to mention our culture being eroded
Schools and universities changing with way to many visas issued .
Prime minister after prime minister has ignored this and now so.are the people of wales.
Country of sanctuary they.say its ridiculous.
Multiculturalism hasn't worked and people want more to.come in.

If the uk needs a particular service or people with qualifications to help fill gaps in the work place great get people here from what ever Country no issue with that and welcome to wales .

Unveted people with no passport shouldn't be allowed in and we now how over 1 m a year in legal immigration to a tiny island and enough is enough.
Japan should be japan Nigeria Nigeria and wales wales .
When is enough enough for people
All of Europe and America canada is in the same mess its orchestrated by governments this is and this is why im voting for reform.
This isn't my opinion its a fact .
You vote plaid labour or lib dems open the gates to more craziness.

Our schools and universities are indoctrinated with odd ideologies aswell.
Im all.for immigration and i have many people i no not from this country a d lovely people who contribute and intergrate in welsh life thats the people we want here .
Thats my opinion so.do you.want more or less of this ?
Be careful who you vote for

You were informed by a couple of posters on here that immigration was not a function of the welsh government and that the nation of sanctuary arguement you were using was incorrect as it was just a name ....a stupid one ....for a policy thats operating throughout the uk

Labour and Plaid havnt given themselves special powers to flood wales .....through this nation of sanctuary ...its not a policy to bring anyone here .....the welsh government cant legally do that

I thought you had understood that in your response but you are off talking double dutch again with this reply

Defence spending ? Thats not down because of immigration , its down because the conservatives ...and you sound like a conservative before you became reform .......under cameron , may , boris and sunak .....cut defence spending

Its labour .....who are crap .....who have INCREASED defence spending for the first time in years !

And immigration in total .......something else that was explained .....has reduced , under labour ....from 700000 under the conservatives .....to 300000 now

What else you expect I dont know but reform voters and reform blame Labour for the boats , immigration and the murder of those little girls in southport .....one month after starmer and labour took over ? ....what do you expect them to do in one month ?

Good grief I am staggered

Good grief your staggered are you 10 m payed down in saint Athens for houses.wales has more imagination you only have to walk around to notice im staggered are you blind or something.
Conservatives are to blame for 14 years of failure really i agree and the part needs a huge shake up.
This labour government in the uk has ruined us way more are freedoms have been suppressed taxes up defence in a mess and yes the Conservatives are to blame labour have done nothing zero we have 5 destroyers thats it .
Schools universities all indoctrinated big time with wierd odd shit and ideology.

You can think what ever you like i dont need to even argue take a look around next time you go out end of any debate.
Someone needs to take the bull by the horns not just in wales but in the entire uk its weird screwed up country with less freedoms higherr taxes and a corrupt pm to his core .
Labour aint gonna do shit nor are the nutters in the green party lib dems forger it .
Conservatives had there chance blew it .
Restore advance or at mo the only option is reform and i dont trust them much they back tracked but its the best at the moment.

This in my 53 years is the craziest nuttest worry times ive ever experienced living in this place .
Britain has gone nuts its all controlled look at the bbc and main stream media they dont report real news how nuts is that .
Most politicians are corrupt and every pm we had for years has been a weakling.

This country has lost its way big time and if you want to ignore it all and support it and defend it up to you .
Many people get locked up for farting down wind these days its bollocks not to mention the false branding of people because they are patriotic for there country.

So crack on in own little bubble with the fairies 10 years from now we be even more messed up.
All i want is normality back and a safe decent respectful place for kids and grandchildren with our own countryman put first .

If we can help out in the world yes if we do bring people here it has ro be for the rights reasons to benefit wales.

Thats my stance on things in a nutshell people need to wake up.
You have your own opinion cool but you wont change mine

[worcester_ccfc]

No longer live in Wales so not my business.

But is everyone ignoring that Farage made a sheep shagger joke this week?

[MikeO76]

No longer live in Wales so not my business.

But is everyone ignoring that Farage made a sheep shagger joke this week?

Good for him, shows he's got a sense of humour.

However it will offend those that want it to

[Jock]

I'm not telling anyone how to vote, but it's deeply troubling that my fellow Welshman and Cardiffians are falling for the oldest grift in the book and voting for Reform.


Welshman fought to create the NHS. Farage want it's destroyed.

He gets £5mil backhander from a Cryptocurrency Thai business man and we are to believe that's ok.

He wanted us out of Europe, and that was a waste of time.

Reform is an English-centric party. They don't give a shit about Wales

Making you believe that it's your brown neighbours that are the problem and not the elite class who dodge tax and squeeze the working class for profits.

Don't be a fool and fall for this Reform bullshit. It's not a badge of honour for 'Getting Out Country Back" it's a clear sign that you've been duped into following a horrible greedy c**t.

Please Cardiff be better than this and flush these English Rich Pricks out of Wales. They are the ones that don't belong.

Brown neighbours?
Why are you bringing skin colour into it. It’s not about race. The dinghy jockeys are an issue, irrespective of race, they’re unvetted so we have no way of knowing who they are. A recently convicted gang rapist was fleeing a murder rap in Egypt FFS
Those who cling to Labour, because they believe they represent working class people, really should wake up and smell the coffee. Labour are the party of academia and the middle class, they despise working class people. Weirdly they do love the parasitic benefits class though.

[Jock]

Your last sentence sums up the crucial difference between old school leftists and the rest of us. For me life is about self reliance, for you it’s about state dependence. I grew up in a council house, in a shite scheme, people with your mindset believe I should have settled for that and never tried to improve my situation. Basically the poisonous politics of envy.

For you life is about being selfish

I grew up in a council house too , it was given back to the council when my old man got a job that enabled him to buy the family a private house listen to this idiot talking as if hes the new self made working class hero lol

I think your comments on here are the politics of spite and division , I have plenty of money thanks very much but if you do ever need a leg up I hope you get what you need to fund your alcohol and rent boy addiction xx

Rent boy addiction bwahahaha
Classic projection.
Instead of throwing insults, why don’t you point out what’s wrong in anything I posted.
1 most migrants will be a lifelong drain on the UK economy
2 migrants commit higher levels of crime, particularly crimes of sexual violence against women and girls
3 Islam is a supremacist, expansionist religion, that seeks to impose its values on the UK.
4 Our politicians and social commentators assured us, migrants would quickly assimilate and respect British cultural norms. The reverse is true.
5 The economy has been destroyed by a succession of 4th rate politicians and we simply cannot afford the cost of housing the dregs of the third world
6 We are paying the highest rate of tax since WW2, yet everything is shite, mass migration has exasperated that.

[Sven]

Your last sentence sums up the crucial difference between old school leftists and the rest of us. For me life is about self reliance, for you it’s about state dependence. I grew up in a council house, in a shite scheme, people with your mindset believe I should have settled for that and never tried to improve my situation. Basically the poisonous politics of envy.

For you life is about being selfish

I grew up in a council house too , it was given back to the council when my old man got a job that enabled him to buy the family a private house listen to this idiot talking as if hes the new self made working class hero lol

I think your comments on here are the politics of spite and division , I have plenty of money thanks very much but if you do ever need a leg up I hope you get what you need to fund your alcohol and rent boy addiction xx

Rent boy addiction bwahahaha
Classic projection.
Instead of throwing insults, why don’t you point out what’s wrong in anything I posted.
1 most migrants will be a lifelong drain on the UK economy
2 migrants commit higher levels of crime, particularly crimes of sexual violence against women and girls
3 Islam is a supremacist, expansionist religion, that seeks to impose its values on the UK.
4 Our politicians and social commentators assured us, migrants would quickly assimilate and respect British cultural norms. The reverse is true.
5 The economy has been destroyed by a succession of 4th rate politicians and we simply cannot afford the cost of housing the dregs of the third world
6 We are paying the highest rate of tax since WW2, yet everything is shite, mass migration has exasperated that.

Nice one, Jock! The surest way to know you’ve sussed someone is to see responses like this one from the ‘Sludge’

[Sludge]

Your last sentence sums up the crucial difference between old school leftists and the rest of us. For me life is about self reliance, for you it’s about state dependence. I grew up in a council house, in a shite scheme, people with your mindset believe I should have settled for that and never tried to improve my situation. Basically the poisonous politics of envy.

For you life is about being selfish

I grew up in a council house too , it was given back to the council when my old man got a job that enabled him to buy the family a private house listen to this idiot talking as if hes the new self made working class hero lol

I think your comments on here are the politics of spite and division , I have plenty of money thanks very much but if you do ever need a leg up I hope you get what you need to fund your alcohol and rent boy addiction xx

Rent boy addiction bwahahaha
Classic projection.
Instead of throwing insults, why don’t you point out what’s wrong in anything I posted.
1 most migrants will be a lifelong drain on the UK economy
2 migrants commit higher levels of crime, particularly crimes of sexual violence against women and girls
3 Islam is a supremacist, expansionist religion, that seeks to impose its values on the UK.
4 Our politicians and social commentators assured us, migrants would quickly assimilate and respect British cultural norms. The reverse is true.
5 The economy has been destroyed by a succession of 4th rate politicians and we simply cannot afford the cost of housing the dregs of the third world
6 We are paying the highest rate of tax since WW2, yet everything is shite, mass migration has exasperated that.

Nice one, Jock! The surest way to know you’ve sussed someone is to see responses like this one from the ‘Sludge’

Well jock has continually thrown the bollocks at me that I am some kind of social parasite so he can have it with both barrels and so can you , you dozy cnnt

I have spent half my working life advising people about homeless issues , helping young kids abused find flats and support them with daily living , socialising , working in various charities in bridgend , Cardiff ....wallich clifford , you might have heard of it ...probably not

You thick tw*t

[Sludge]

Your last sentence sums up the crucial difference between old school leftists and the rest of us. For me life is about self reliance, for you it’s about state dependence. I grew up in a council house, in a shite scheme, people with your mindset believe I should have settled for that and never tried to improve my situation. Basically the poisonous politics of envy.

For you life is about being selfish

I grew up in a council house too , it was given back to the council when my old man got a job that enabled him to buy the family a private house listen to this idiot talking as if hes the new self made working class hero lol

I think your comments on here are the politics of spite and division , I have plenty of money thanks very much but if you do ever need a leg up I hope you get what you need to fund your alcohol and rent boy addiction xx

Rent boy addiction bwahahaha
Classic projection.
Instead of throwing insults, why don’t you point out what’s wrong in anything I posted.
1 most migrants will be a lifelong drain on the UK economy
2 migrants commit higher levels of crime, particularly crimes of sexual violence against women and girls
3 Islam is a supremacist, expansionist religion, that seeks to impose its values on the UK.
4 Our politicians and social commentators assured us, migrants would quickly assimilate and respect British cultural norms. The reverse is true.
5 The economy has been destroyed by a succession of 4th rate politicians and we simply cannot afford the cost of housing the dregs of the third world
6 We are paying the highest rate of tax since WW2, yet everything is shite, mass migration has exasperated that.

I am a social parasite ?

You are a rent boy ?

Start the playground games , this is where it ends

X

[Sludge]

I'm not telling anyone how to vote, but it's deeply troubling that my fellow Welshman and Cardiffians are falling for the oldest grift in the book and voting for Reform.


Welshman fought to create the NHS. Farage want it's destroyed.

He gets £5mil backhander from a Cryptocurrency Thai business man and we are to believe that's ok.

He wanted us out of Europe, and that was a waste of time.

Reform is an English-centric party. They don't give a shit about Wales

Making you believe that it's your brown neighbours that are the problem and not the elite class who dodge tax and squeeze the working class for profits.

Don't be a fool and fall for this Reform bullshit. It's not a badge of honour for 'Getting Out Country Back" it's a clear sign that you've been duped into following a horrible greedy c**t.

Please Cardiff be better than this and flush these English Rich Pricks out of Wales. They are the ones that don't belong.

I always thought Cardiff and South Wales was different , we moved to a different beat

But vote reform , stop the boats banners ?

Feck me black lives matters you had people complaining about bringing politics into football .....now some of our lot are acting like dirty chelsea cockneys , voting right wing , waving the union jacks

Naa