Cardiff v Man U 1974.. interesting view on the carnage!

Not sure how I stumbled on this, but I've heard Annis speak about this game before....I wasn't there being a holier than thou 9 year old!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-Ir7_6sMtw

It sounds like it was utter carnage, but if any of you guys were there, are this guy's recollections in line with what you witnessed?

Yes he was being as honest as possible no bullshit he said that game or what happened that day will stay with him forever....we got on the train at llanelli at 9 o'clock ndi t kicked off Cardiff v man utd fans from llanelli straight away and all the way to Cardiff General....

I was there as a youngster and it was a surreal day; being a mix of excitement (for the game itself), apprehension (as we knew as ManUre’s ‘Bay City Roller’ mob had a reputation, whilst ours (to that point) was still building, and some fear (at such a young age) when it kicked off big-time outside and inside the stadium!

I recall one incident where railway ballast (the stones under the rails) were being thrown from Ninian Park Halt bridge, but I’m never sure if that was ManUre, Chelsea, or Millwall; all of who had ‘battles’ on visits to Ninian Park?

No matter who says otherwise, it was not a pleasant day for anyone not looking for (what was then called) ‘aggro’!

I did see this was put up from the opposite perspective last week…

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I Was there,,remember it well....Hated Manure then and still do...They never met a mob like they met that day...Blue army...

I was there 15yrs old in the Grange end really mad man utd on the Bob Bank I seen snooker balls being thrown also a lot of trouble in the central station the grange end was mad and bouncing

I was a 13 year old canton stand season ticket holder, so went to every home and some away games. my mate from Llanrumney came with me that day to the Manure game.

I was never a hooligan type just a Bluebirds fan.

Got off bus around 12.30 in central bus station and as usual walked down Tudor road to Ninian Park.

I have never been so scared about half way down Tudor road - must have been around two to three hundred animals in group throwing bricks through peoples windows, aluminium dustbins being thrown at residents and US.

we ducked down behind some wall by side of house.

just my memories, I have never experienced such scum. I know Cardiff had some of them as well but watched the video above and at 10.50 mins saying a little bit of brick throwing !!! thats the understatement of 1974.

Not sure how I stumbled on this, but I've heard Annis speak about this game before....I wasn't there being a holier than thou 9 year old!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-Ir7_6sMtw

It sounds like it was utter carnage, but if any of you guys were there, are this guy's recollections in line with what you witnessed?

Jim,

Fair play he has given a very very honest account.

It was brutal that day and felt like a war.

All carried out in flares, platform shoes and skimpy leather jackets, a few sizes too small.

Where was the away end then ?

Where was the away end then ?

Bob bank was where the away fans mostly congregated but I don't remember any in the way of actual segregation.

I have read Tony O’Neil account of our game with Manchester United in his book he rated Cardiff very highly that day but he knew that the momeant he set foot in Cardiff they where in trouble I’ve read most of the accounts of what happened that day but at stage in his book he says they where glad to get out of Cardiff that season Cardiff had massive also with Bristol city and millwall and Leeds in the fa cup

Where was the away end then ?

Bob bank was where the away fans mostly congregated but I don't remember any in the way of actual segregation.

the fence that seperated the bob bank from the grange end was put up especially for that game and stayed there until the old grangend was demolished

I don't remember when there wasn't a fence & thought it had been there for a while before then but it makes sense that it might be put there for that game. You could still get from one to the other though, just not as directly as that was the only place I remember to get a pie & a Bovril.

Where was the away end then ?

Bob bank was where the away fans mostly congregated but I don't remember any in the way of actual segregation.

the fence that seperated the bob bank from the grange end was put up especially for that game and stayed there until the old grangend was demolished

Used to go regularly at that time - 13 year old - My old girl put her foot down and said a def no for this, due to the papers, news bigging it up.

Couple of mates went, and stories of bricks and darts being thrown between both sides, and that due to still being able to go under the grange to the toilets (wall will a piss trough in) by the corner of the Grange / Bob bank, lots of aggro there.

But the fence, I'm sure came down, as again I'm sure there were at future matches occasions when half of the Grange used to run into the bob bank at any signs of opposing supporters being there?

That bloke has a very good memory for 51 years ago
He even mentions specific times where things happened.
Mmm

We lost 0-1. Relegated at the end of the season
I was there. Canton Stand. A foul on Pearson. Fourth minute. Daly scored from the spot.

And referring to it as "war" and "battle", give ya head a wobble fella, It was a good old scrap in the streets, in the grounds.

Where was the away end then ?

Bob bank was where the away fans mostly congregated but I don't remember any in the way of actual segregation.

the fence that seperated the bob bank from the grange end was put up especially for that game and stayed there until the old grangend was demolished

Used to go regularly at that time - 13 year old - My old girl put her foot down and said a def no for this, due to the papers, news bigging it up.

Couple of mates went, and stories of bricks and darts being thrown between both sides, and that due to still being able to go under the grange to the toilets (wall will a piss trough in) by the corner of the Grange / Bob bank, lots of aggro there.

But the fence, I'm sure came down, as again I'm sure there were at future matches occasions when half of the Grange used to run into the bob bank at any signs of opposing supporters being there?

I am fairly sure it stayed up. What point would there be in taking it down? There may have been a gate about two thirds down by the walkway. I cant remember But what used to happen as you say was that people would go down through the small exit half way along the stand and under the Grange onto the Bob bank.

We were there that day caught the train down from Rhymney, we were from Tredegar.Every Man U fan we fought was from anywhere but Manchester, Swansea,Newport, Glos.and of course the arsehole Cockney Reds.Sent em all packing.