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WE NEED A PLAN B PLAYING HIGH PRESS TEAMS

Sat Sep 20, 2025 7:18 pm

I said before we played this game, i hoped Barry-Murphy had a Plan B, like Port Vale, and Stockport, two high press teams. But we failed again against Bradford, another high press team. We could not match them, but we had our chances. Ashford had 2 sitters and missed. We hit the bar and shot straight across goal mouth.

In the 2nd half, Turnbull and Salech both had chances. Barry-Murphy needs to cope with high press teams, but I’m not down beat, I’m just annoyed we have not sorted this, as they imposed themselves on us when we should have imposed on them at home.

Re: WE NEED A PLAN B PLAYING HIGH PRESS TEAMS

Sat Sep 20, 2025 7:47 pm

I don't buy the argument that a high press had anything to do with it.

First goal was a wonder goal from a corner.

Second was a penalty after a defensive mistake.

Third was from a counter attack.

So I don't accept that the high press was an impact in the goals.

Re: WE NEED A PLAN B PLAYING HIGH PRESS TEAMS

Sat Sep 20, 2025 7:55 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:I don't buy the argument that a high press had anything to do with it.

First goal was a wonder goal from a corner.

Second was a penalty after a defensive mistake.

Third was from a counter attack.

So I don't accept that the high press was an impact in the goals.


It is an issue. Port vale, Luton, Wimbledon, Stockport, Bradford. We got lucky against 4 of them.

Re: WE NEED A PLAN B PLAYING HIGH PRESS TEAMS

Sat Sep 20, 2025 8:00 pm

MorgCCFC wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:I don't buy the argument that a high press had anything to do with it.

First goal was a wonder goal from a corner.

Second was a penalty after a defensive mistake.

Third was from a counter attack.

So I don't accept that the high press was an impact in the goals.


It is an issue. Port vale, Luton, Wimbledon, Stockport, Bradford. We got lucky against 4 of them.


In the three away games you mention, it was a big issue.

But I don't accept it was an issue today.

I think that Bradford were just better than us today.

Re: WE NEED A PLAN B PLAYING HIGH PRESS TEAMS

Sat Sep 20, 2025 8:18 pm

They did a great job of cutting the passing lanes into Rubin; they were compact, and our wingers couldn't trouble them 1 on 1

We need to have plan B for when that happens again. For 10 mins, it wouldn't have hurt to push Ashford off Salech and go long. I think we are slowly destroying Ashford's confidence in this system; he is not quick or tricky enough for this position. He is far better centrally.

Re: WE NEED A PLAN B PLAYING HIGH PRESS TEAMS

Sat Sep 20, 2025 8:26 pm

montyblue wrote: I said before we played this game, i hoped Barry-Murphy had a Plan B, like Port Vale, and Stockport, two high press teams. But we failed again against Bradford, another high press team. We could not match them, but we had our chances. Ashford had 2 sitters and missed. We hit the bar and shot straight across goal mouth.

In the 2nd half, Turnbull and Salech both had chances. Barry-Murphy needs to cope with high press teams, but I’m not down beat, I’m just annoyed we have not sorted this, as they imposed themselves on us when we should have imposed on them at home.

:thumbup:

Re: WE NEED A PLAN B PLAYING HIGH PRESS TEAMS

Sat Sep 20, 2025 8:29 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:
MorgCCFC wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:I don't buy the argument that a high press had anything to do with it.

First goal was a wonder goal from a corner.

Second was a penalty after a defensive mistake.

Third was from a counter attack.

So I don't accept that the high press was an impact in the goals.


It is an issue. Port vale, Luton, Wimbledon, Stockport, Bradford. We got lucky against 4 of them.


In the three away games you mention, it was a big issue.

But I don't accept it was an issue today.

I think that Bradford were just better than us today.



Bradford didn't play a high press! What they did was go forward and kept going forward no turning back or passing it square also put ball in box at 1st opportunity 2nd 3rd goals were a product of this as they didn't give us time to adjust and defend in numbers... totally opposite of us we gave them so much time to defend by being to slow going forward .with very few crossess and only as last resort.

Re: WE NEED A PLAN B PLAYING HIGH PRESS TEAMS

Sat Sep 20, 2025 8:38 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:
MorgCCFC wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:I don't buy the argument that a high press had anything to do with it.

First goal was a wonder goal from a corner.

Second was a penalty after a defensive mistake.

Third was from a counter attack.

So I don't accept that the high press was an impact in the goals.


It is an issue. Port vale, Luton, Wimbledon, Stockport, Bradford. We got lucky against 4 of them.


In the three away games you mention, it was a big issue.

But I don't accept it was an issue today.

I think that Bradford were just better than us today.



Bradford didn't play a high press! What they did was go forward and kept going forward no turning back or passing it square also put ball in box at 1st opportunity 2nd 3rd goals were a product of this as they didn't give us time to adjust and defend in numbers... totally opposite of us we gave them so much time to defend by being to slow going forward .with very few crossess and only as last resort.


I agree we seem to want to walk it into the net to many passes but still believe they pressed us,
we were not free to play our own game
Yes they played better because they did there homework of how to play against us and stopped us.

Re: WE NEED A PLAN B PLAYING HIGH PRESS TEAMS

Sat Sep 20, 2025 8:56 pm

montyblue wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:
MorgCCFC wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:I don't buy the argument that a high press had anything to do with it.

First goal was a wonder goal from a corner.

Second was a penalty after a defensive mistake.

Third was from a counter attack.

So I don't accept that the high press was an impact in the goals.


It is an issue. Port vale, Luton, Wimbledon, Stockport, Bradford. We got lucky against 4 of them.


In the three away games you mention, it was a big issue.

But I don't accept it was an issue today.

I think that Bradford were just better than us today.



Bradford didn't play a high press! What they did was go forward and kept going forward no turning back or passing it square also put ball in box at 1st opportunity 2nd 3rd goals were a product of this as they didn't give us time to adjust and defend in numbers... totally opposite of us we gave them so much time to defend by being to slow going forward .with very few crossess and only as last resort.


I agree we seem to want to walk it into the net to many passes but still believe they pressed us,
we were not free to play our own game
Yes they played better because they did there homework of how to play against us and stopped us.



Monty think they were just better organised as a team didn't really press up the field at our goalkicks but guess way they did play made us make lots of mistakes in midfield area.... said it previously due to bbm man c past we are playing in a similar fashion ... intricate balls in and around edge penalty area looking for a gap in defences. This unable them to defend easily ...all of their goals had one common feature? Had lots of space to do what they liked because they were quick getting ball forward unlike our snails pace...like to know what Salech is on pitch for? Because we dont cross ball to him more than 3 or 4 times a game!

Re: WE NEED A PLAN B PLAYING HIGH PRESS TEAMS

Sat Sep 20, 2025 9:05 pm

Style of play in and around the box would suit robinson more than salech we play eith wingers but they cut in instead of crossing but salec is shielded by a few defenders murphy needs to sort it out are we the weakest scorerers in the top 6.

Re: WE NEED A PLAN B PLAYING HIGH PRESS TEAMS

Sat Sep 20, 2025 9:16 pm

Bradford pressed us from the off anyone who was at the game could see what they was doing until they went two nil up they then payed counter attacking football 2nd half which got them there 3rd goal because we can't seem to mark players when they pass it and move which cost us today also. But it dont help the manager didn't do much to try change the result tbh yes formation changed after going 3 down but still same tippy tappy sideways and backwards crap and when we had the chance to cross the bloody thing we pass it back or sideways or back to our goalkeeper trying to be man City yet we are nowhere near them clearly. Either way they done a job on us and there manager knew what to do we never countered that so we lost that's the bottom line. That's football :bluescarf:

Re: WE NEED A PLAN B PLAYING HIGH PRESS TEAMS

Sat Sep 20, 2025 9:24 pm

Bradford 100% played a high press. It's been their style in the recent upturn in form from promotion and good start to this season.

We struggle with it. Its a repeat pattern. Monty called it out perfectly before the game.

Re: WE NEED A PLAN B PLAYING HIGH PRESS TEAMS

Sat Sep 20, 2025 10:36 pm

Monty I had a bad feeling today that it was gonna catch up with us , the last few games have been not the best , and today we couldn’t take our chances and Bradford did , we need to improve for the next game and be more clinical in our finishing

Re: WE NEED A PLAN B PLAYING HIGH PRESS TEAMS

Sat Sep 20, 2025 10:39 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:I don't buy the argument that a high press had anything to do with it.

First goal was a wonder goal from a corner.

Second was a penalty after a defensive mistake.

Third was from a counter attack.

So I don't accept that the high press was an impact in the goals.


The first two goals was lack of concentration I said to my mate in Ninian Stand look how much space he got on edge of box. Superb strike

Re: WE NEED A PLAN B PLAYING HIGH PRESS TEAMS

Sat Sep 20, 2025 10:40 pm

SB 1927 wrote:Bradford 100% played a high press. It's been their style in the recent upturn in form from promotion and good start to this season.

We struggle with it. Its a repeat pattern. Monty called it out perfectly before the game.


I'm not denying Bradford played a high press, of course they did and I looked out for it because of Monty's comments a couple of days ago.

The point I was making is that none of the three goals came as a result of the high press.

Re: WE NEED A PLAN B PLAYING HIGH PRESS TEAMS

Sat Sep 20, 2025 10:41 pm

WelshRees89 wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:I don't buy the argument that a high press had anything to do with it.

First goal was a wonder goal from a corner.

Second was a penalty after a defensive mistake.

Third was from a counter attack.

So I don't accept that the high press was an impact in the goals.


The first two goals was lack of concentration I said to my mate in Ninian Stand look how much space he got on edge of box. Superb strike


Agree, great hit but the comment about no concentration is spot on.

Re: WE NEED A PLAN B PLAYING HIGH PRESS TEAMS

Sun Sep 21, 2025 12:31 am

worcester_ccfc wrote:
SB 1927 wrote:Bradford 100% played a high press. It's been their style in the recent upturn in form from promotion and good start to this season.

We struggle with it. Its a repeat pattern. Monty called it out perfectly before the game.


I'm not denying Bradford played a high press, of course they did and I looked out for it because of Monty's comments a couple of days ago.

The point I was making is that none of the three goals came as a result of the high press.

I tend to agree, Ned. All three goals were defendable in normal circumstances, but today we were simply not at the races until 75 minutes and beaten by the better team on the day (as you predicted) :ayatollah:

Re: WE NEED A PLAN B PLAYING HIGH PRESS TEAMS

Mon Sep 22, 2025 12:36 pm

Regardless of there goals worldy penalty and a free shot at goal they pressed in all departments,
anyone who could not see they were first to everything is very blinkered or needs to go to speck savers,
we could not impose our press on them they did ,
we lost that battle or we should have changed tactics it waa not a case we were not at the races or having an off day,
Murphy needs a way to cope with a high press team
High press does not just mean stopping us playing out from the back.

Re: WE NEED A PLAN B PLAYING HIGH PRESS TEAMS

Mon Sep 22, 2025 1:59 pm

montyblue wrote:Regardless of there goals worldy penalty and a free shot at goal they pressed in all departments,
anyone who could not see they were first to everything is very blinkered or needs to go to speck savers,
we could not impose our press on them they did ,
we lost that battle or we should have changed tactics it waa not a case we were not at the races or having an off day,
Murphy needs a way to cope with a high press team
High press does not just mean stopping us playing out from the back.




Your right monty about all over the pitch press... but did it result in the defeat ? well it contributed to it because they did it! but as it didn't make their goals would a plan B make any difference? Afterall they missed 1 open goal we missed two Ashford I think" plus two shots that were going in
Hid defenders and bounced harmlessly to keeper ...... think our overall display was more to do with our slow build up and lack of incursions/crossing into their area.. thought the main substitutions should been at halftime as nothing was going to change no matter how long we played for...