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How does the FAW fix football in Welsh leagues?

Mon Sep 08, 2025 1:01 pm

I was speaking about this to my dad the other day. How does the FAW improve the footballing scene in Wales?

Out of the 3 other leagues in the UK, this is where I would currently rank the leagues:

1. Scotland - Stadiums are big - support is decent - football level probably EFL

2. Northern Ireland - Stadiums are big (albeit slightly old/ a bit derelict) - support is decent - football is probably National League level

3. Wales - I wouldn't really call them stadiums - more like grounds - not many fans - football isn't enjoyable

How does the FAW fix this?

More funding - but where to start?
Ground improvements? More televised games to try and get fans to follow?

There are so many clubs even in South Wales but people don't want to know. There are even 3 other Cardiff clubs in the top 3 leagues in Wales (Cardiff Corries, Cardiff Dracs & Cardiff Airport) but I am not tempted to go to a game. The FAW needs to improve this as imo we are currently bottom of the pile of UK leagues.

Re: How does the FAW fix football in Welsh leagues?

Mon Sep 08, 2025 1:16 pm

It's practically impossible.

It requires huge amounts of funding and doing enough to give supporters interest in attending.

The FAW don't have the money to provide that funding and there is little motivation for fans to go and watch a sub-standard level of football when they can watch EFL clubs like Cardiff, Newport, Swansea and Wrexham.

The FAW tried to bribe Merthyr into going into the Welsh league system but thankfully Merthyr made the right decision and stayed in the English system.

Can't be compared with Scotland because there is the history there. Celtic and Rangers are big clubs too. No team in the Welsh system are in the same stratosphere as any Scottish Premiership team.

Northern Ireland's league is a bit different. It's the only way to watch football on that island and if you want to watch English/Scottish football than you have to get on a plane. I go to Belfast often because I have friends there and their league is also not the greatest standard. The best teams are probably upper League Two level but the majority are National League level at best. Obviously a few decent players come from there but they'll end up at an EFL or Scottish club because of the general low standard there.

So in short, it can't be fixed.

It is what it is. A low level league system and that's how it will remain forever.

Re: How does the FAW fix football in Welsh leagues?

Mon Sep 08, 2025 1:32 pm

Haverfordwest (bluebirds) are attracting good crowds and have been on upward trend since got in a decent manager who now manages a team in champions league.. but the league is what it is
The faw dint have the financial resources to help out to any great degree ... must remember failing to qualify for WC euros costs faw countless millions in lost revenue so league is way down list of priorities.

Re: How does the FAW fix football in Welsh leagues?

Mon Sep 08, 2025 3:24 pm

I like watching the cymru south and ardel leagues. I think the standard is decent with players who have played with the same club for years. Proper football I call it.

Re: How does the FAW fix football in Welsh leagues?

Mon Sep 08, 2025 4:44 pm

Whilst the four clubs play in the English system- and lets hope that doesn't change- the League will always be of a very low standard. And with the European money making it virtually impossible for the other teams to challenge TNS - though a couple are having a go this year- the situation will only get worse.

Re: How does the FAW fix football in Welsh leagues?

Mon Sep 08, 2025 4:50 pm

Barryblues wrote:I like watching the cymru south and ardel leagues. I think the standard is decent with players who have played with the same club for years. Proper football I call it.

I watch Barry occasionally and even went to watch Llantwit a few weeks ago. And I agree, proper football, and nice to be able to walk around without the over zealous stewarding that we have endure at EFL matches these days. Having said that I went to watch Cardiff Met the other day and they had stewards using those metal detector things on entry :lol: :lol: :lol: They want to think they are a big team.

Re: How does the FAW fix football in Welsh leagues?

Mon Sep 08, 2025 4:56 pm

TNS
hoover up all the money a fully pro outfit in an ametuer league run as a buisness not as a football club for the last 20 years they have taken all cash prizes welsh cups euros etc

Re: How does the FAW fix football in Welsh leagues?

Mon Sep 08, 2025 6:20 pm

Before TNS it was always Barry Town, Fashnu put a stop to that though with a few dodgy deals for African players and made the club go pop. TNS got what was left.

Shame as if there were 2 competing the football and the league would improve

Re: How does the FAW fix football in Welsh leagues?

Mon Sep 08, 2025 6:51 pm

Move to a summer league. I've been saying this for years and years. Move to a summer league and you'll see fans of City, Jack's, Newport and Wrexham all have their share of fans desperate for a footy itch over the summer. Way less competition on tv as well so even a chance to get a tv deal set up with BBC Wales or S4C or something.

With a population our size and 4 clubs in the English pyramid system the numbers for LoW fans will never be there if they try to compete directly.

Re: How does the FAW fix football in Welsh leagues?

Mon Sep 08, 2025 8:29 pm

Wales can’t support a fully professional competition.

Just look at rugby.

We struggle to support multiple teams.

The critical support mass isn’t there.

We do well because we are the capital and have a large catchment but we still don’t sell out.

Jacks don’t get the crowds we do even in the championship.
Start dropping down the standards and the interest wanes even more

Chuck in the amount of Liverpool, Man City, Man Utd etc fans and we have even less people wanting to support Welsh league sides

I don’t think the FAW can do much about it.

So what CAN they do? Foster closer ties to the all the English league sides including Merthyr.

Encourage coaching clinics where our coaches and support staff can help Welsh league sides out.

Link up the academies to have some form of network to funnel talent upwards.

Dont be seen to encourage a them v us scenario with some comments of “they should be playing In wales not England”

If anyone seriously thinks that will benefit Wales then I think their meds need increasing. Embrace the advantages of having 5 clubs battling in one of if not the most established and competitive football pyramids playing against the best players in the uk and sometimes the world.

And they ARE the best players in the uk. Because if we weren’t playing in it, Welsh lads will still end up in English clubs if they are decent.

Re: How does the FAW fix football in Welsh leagues?

Tue Sep 09, 2025 3:04 am

How does the FAW fix football in Welsh leagues?

Simple. A few brown packets to a few players here and there.

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