UPDATED: O/T Angela Rayner

We have a bunch of self entitled politicians who indulge in freebies, donor funders, taxpayer funded salaries and expenses and some of them even find ways to avoid paying tax. And yet these same individuals hammer the public with austerity and high taxes.

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Summary:

Angela Rayner resigns as deputy prime minister and housing secretary over failing to pay enough tax on a flat in Hove, East Sussex

She also resigns as deputy leader of the Labour Party, and a government reshuffle is now under way
Rayner, who is the MP for Ashton-under-Lyne, referred herself to the PM's ethics adviser earlier this week, after admitting underpaying stamp duty on her £800,000 flat

In her resignation letter, she says she takes "full responsibility" for the "error" of not seeking further tax advice on the purchase

The ethics report finds Rayner breached the ministerial code and "did not heed the caution" in legal advice she received
Keir Starmer tells Rayner in a letter he's "very sad" that her time in government has ended but she will remain "a major figure" in the party

This is devastating for Rayner - with pretty devastating implications for the PM too,

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All sides are the same. Be that Labour, Tory or Reform (if they get in).

From opposition they can say "oh it's awful how they're doing these things" but then they all end up doing the same thing when they get into power.

Will never change and don't be fooled when a party is described as "something different" because that'll never be the case.

To be honest, if I was a member of the Government and offered something for free then I reckon I'd take it. We'd all also probably feel a bit of entitlement and take things we shouldn't like she has.

That's my honest opinion anyway.

All sides are the same. Be that Labour, Tory or Reform (if they get in).

From opposition they can say "oh it's awful how they're doing these things" but then they all end up doing the same thing when they get into power.

Will never change and don't be fooled when a party is described as "something different" because that'll never be the case.

To be honest, if I was a member of the Government and offered something for free then I reckon I'd take it. We'd all also probably feel a bit of entitlement and take things we shouldn't like she has.

That's my honest opinion anyway.

The problem is that that ‘entitlement’ is magnified; particularly when the very ‘rules/standards’ they pontificate to us, the public, are not adhered to and, worse IMHO, they then try to justify by saying ‘it wasn’t my fault’, or ‘I didn’t realise, or ‘I sought advice first’

There is no way these politicians would let you get away with it, if they knew, yet it’s not a reason to resign, if it they who are caught!

I’m not a lover of any party, but it does seem somehow worse when it’s the self-styled (but long abandoned) ‘Party of the People’ and the perpetrator in this instance is a £multi-millionaire

What makes it worse if thats possible is she is housing minister! no she knew what she was doing she tried to dodge paying full tax and got caught out.

Champagne Socalism is this the ladt of the people holding others to account.

Awful women hypocrisy at its worse .

One wonders who is leaking this from within the current government.

Didnt she get involved in the tear Reeves moment.

Reform must rise and shake the mechanisms ,to the core, just like Trump has.

Wait for the bext big bombshell and Mrs Rayners latest dreadful scandal. Allegedly used her sons disabled fund for Hove house purchase ??

Reform must rise and shake the mechanisms ,to the core

Yeah I wouldn’t hold your breath on Reform doing anything of the sort. They’re riddled with scandal just as much as the other two.

House purchase tax in England. (different in Wales) pretty easy to work out what she owed..If she'd completed before,31march it would have been a lot less
Up to £125,000 Zero
The next £125,000 (the portion from £125,001 to £250,000) 2%
The next £675,000 (the portion from £250,001 to £925,000) 5%
The next £575,000 (the portion from £925,001 to £1.5 million) 10%
The remaining amount (the portion above £1.5 million) 12%

Maybe I am in the minority here but I kind of understand how this happened and I am happy to accept that there was no malice intended.

I genuinely believe that she thought she only had one house and tbh I would have thought the same.

Angela Raynor has a disabled child and, from what I understand, when her situation changed and she needed to spend more time away from Manchester so a trust was setup (which didn't include her name) to own the house and provide her disabled child with accommodation.

Insofar as the Land Registry is concerned Angela Raynor no longer owned the house in Manchester.

So when she bought a house in Brighton I can understand why she thought that house was her only house. The other house of course was in a trust which I understand her ex-husband dealt with.

She has been advised of the mistake and has not contested it and she is in the process of paying the difference.

This just seems to be Political Games.

Maybe I am in the minority here but I kind of understand how this happened and I am happy to accept that there was no malice intended.

I genuinely believe that she thought she only had one house and tbh I would have thought the same.

Angela Raynor has a disabled child and, from what I understand, when her situation changed and she needed to spend more time away from Manchester so a trust was setup (which didn't include her name) to own the house and provide her disabled child with accommodation.

Insofar as the Land Registry is concerned Angela Raynor no longer owned the house in Manchester.

So when she bought a house in Brighton I can understand why she thought that house was her only house. The other house of course was in a trust which I understand her ex-husband dealt with.

She has been advised of the mistake and has not contested it and she is in the process of paying the difference.

This just seems to be Political Games.

If a trust is involved it immediately raises my suspicion and if your savvy enough to know the rules regarding trusts its a stretch to play dumb on stamp duty. Also she can't contest it she's been caught with her hand in the till, that's not a point in her favour it's something she has to do to try to keep her job.

Maybe I am in the minority here but I kind of understand how this happened and I am happy to accept that there was no malice intended.

I genuinely believe that she thought she only had one house and tbh I would have thought the same.

Angela Raynor has a disabled child and, from what I understand, when her situation changed and she needed to spend more time away from Manchester so a trust was setup (which didn't include her name) to own the house and provide her disabled child with accommodation.

Insofar as the Land Registry is concerned Angela Raynor no longer owned the house in Manchester.

So when she bought a house in Brighton I can understand why she thought that house was her only house. The other house of course was in a trust which I understand her ex-husband dealt with.

She has been advised of the mistake and has not contested it and she is in the process of paying the difference.

This just seems to be Political Games.

What about the 160k from trust fund she used to buy the property with? You probably right about the mistake but being housing minister surely she should be upto speed regarding tax liabilities? The big pussle is how did 3 different experts advising her get it wrong?

She’s Housing Minister, she’s been caught bang at it, she should resign. Are the Tory’s or Lib Dems any better, no.
As Welsh Labour have used Wales as a Petri dish, I’ll be voting Reform in Welsh elections and they can do the same. If they do OK in Wales, they’ll get my vote in the UK Election , in a few years.

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She’s Housing Minister, she’s been caught bang at it, she should resign. Are the Tory’s or Lib Dems any better, no.
As Welsh Labour have used Wales as a Petri dish, I’ll be voting Reform in Welsh elections and they can do the same. If they do OK in Wales, they’ll get my vote in the UK Election , in a few years.

You do realise that Reform are failed Tories to a man dont you? I just wanted to make sure you dont think Reform are a new 'New' party with different policies to any other political party, with brand new ideas that are going to save the UK? You do know that yes?

She’s Housing Minister, she’s been caught bang at it, she should resign. Are the Tory’s or Lib Dems any better, no.
As Welsh Labour have used Wales as a Petri dish, I’ll be voting Reform in Welsh elections and they can do the same. If they do OK in Wales, they’ll get my vote in the UK Election , in a few years.

You do realise that Reform are failed Tories to a man dont you? I just wanted to make sure you dont think Reform are a new 'New' party with different policies to any other political party, with brand new ideas that are going to save the UK? You do know that yes?

I do know that many who claim Leftwing credentials tend to be very condescending and assume that anyone with a different view, has that because they’re too thick to understand politics.

Well said Jock.
While I have a smidgen of sympathy for Rayner, look at all the times she called for Tory ministers to resign for less than she has done. The Tories & Labour are 2 cheeks of the same backside.

She got caught with her pants down blaming now her advisers she has an option for the best as housing minister and still f.cked up, she' s a chancer then she went to her friend beth rigby on sky news to get help and was probably told just keep mentioning your disabled son and cry if you can like rachel reeves to get the sympathy vote.
Update her advisers vereco have said they are been used as scapegoats thay never gave her tax advice.

If she wasn’t so viscerally against tax avoidance then she would have some ground to stand on. The fact she has demanded others resign for similar or
Lesser acts doesn’t stand her in good stead.

Personally I’m all for legal tax avoidance. But it’s her hypocrisy that annoys me greatly.

She managed to take advice with the trust, that's not easy, so i guess she has access to advice. I have placed my house in a trust for my girls with all sorts of stipulations. So the "I dunno, i am a working class kid with little education" doesn't wash.

She gamed the system and got caught. Its the hyprocracy of her working class attack dogs comments from when the tories gamed the system that means labour lose any credibility.

Labour are only there because of the anyone but the tories, next election it will be anyone but the tories and labour.

I didn't think it was possible to get worse than Boris,Truss and Sunak, but Keir Starmer has kept the trend.......

In 2 months Rachel from accounts is going to screw us all for more tax, saying its only fair that those earning more should pat more and all eyes will be on the "dunno" housing minister/deputy prime minister.....

Starmer should have sacked her by now, he won't and to quote Raynor he dithered because he is weak (she said that of Sunak due to his dodgy chancellor)

She managed to take advice with the trust, that's not easy, so i guess she has access to advice. I have placed my house in a trust for my girls with all sorts of stipulations. So the "I dunno, i am a working class kid with little education" doesn't wash.

She gamed the system and got caught. Its the hyprocracy of her working class attack dogs comments from when the tories gamed the system that means labour lose any credibility.

Labour are only there because of the anyone but the tories, next election it will be anyone but the tories and labour.

I didn't think it was possible to get worse than Boris,Truss and Sunak, but Keir Starmer has kept the trend.......

In 2 months Rachel from accounts is going to screw us all for more tax, saying its only fair that those earning more should pat more and all eyes will be on the "dunno" housing minister/deputy prime minister.....

Starmer should have sacked her by now, he won't and to quote Raynor he dithered because he is weak (she said that of Sunak due to his dodgy chancellor)

If Starmer sacked Raynor immediately he would have been accused of poor judgement for choosing her from the right and disloyalty to her from the left. He can't win.

The level of vitriol and attack from the right wing is staggering given the Tory government had 14 years. Like many I am disappointed with Labours performance after a year but constantly trying to disable the government and bring it down is not good for the country or democracy. Labour should be given a parliament to make change not 13 months, judge them then. For the country's sake I hope they get it right because if you peel back the skin of the Reform party its full of dangerous individuals who will go after all our freedoms, the NHS, our pensions and much more.

She managed to take advice with the trust, that's not easy, so i guess she has access to advice. I have placed my house in a trust for my girls with all sorts of stipulations. So the "I dunno, i am a working class kid with little education" doesn't wash.

She gamed the system and got caught. Its the hyprocracy of her working class attack dogs comments from when the tories gamed the system that means labour lose any credibility.

Labour are only there because of the anyone but the tories, next election it will be anyone but the tories and labour.

I didn't think it was possible to get worse than Boris,Truss and Sunak, but Keir Starmer has kept the trend.......

In 2 months Rachel from accounts is going to screw us all for more tax, saying its only fair that those earning more should pat more and all eyes will be on the "dunno" housing minister/deputy prime minister.....

Starmer should have sacked her by now, he won't and to quote Raynor he dithered because he is weak (she said that of Sunak due to his dodgy chancellor)

If Starmer sacked Raynor immediately he would have been accused of poor judgement for choosing her from the right and disloyalty to her from the left. He can't win.

The level of vitriol and attack from the right wing is staggering given the Tory government had 14 years. Like many I am disappointed with Labours performance after a year but constantly trying to disable the government and bring it down is not good for the country or democracy. Labour should be given a parliament to make change not 13 months, judge them then. For the country's sake I hope they get it right because if you peel back the skin of the Reform party its full of dangerous individuals who will go after all our freedoms, the NHS, our pensions and much more.

Boll.cks freedoms are under attack from labour not reform they have never been so bad.

She managed to take advice with the trust, that's not easy, so i guess she has access to advice. I have placed my house in a trust for my girls with all sorts of stipulations. So the "I dunno, i am a working class kid with little education" doesn't wash.

She gamed the system and got caught. Its the hyprocracy of her working class attack dogs comments from when the tories gamed the system that means labour lose any credibility.

Labour are only there because of the anyone but the tories, next election it will be anyone but the tories and labour.

I didn't think it was possible to get worse than Boris,Truss and Sunak, but Keir Starmer has kept the trend.......

In 2 months Rachel from accounts is going to screw us all for more tax, saying its only fair that those earning more should pat more and all eyes will be on the "dunno" housing minister/deputy prime minister.....

Starmer should have sacked her by now, he won't and to quote Raynor he dithered because he is weak (she said that of Sunak due to his dodgy chancellor)

If Starmer sacked Raynor immediately he would have been accused of poor judgement for choosing her from the right and disloyalty to her from the left. He can't win.

The level of vitriol and attack from the right wing is staggering given the Tory government had 14 years. Like many I am disappointed with Labours performance after a year but constantly trying to disable the government and bring it down is not good for the country or democracy. Labour should be given a parliament to make change not 13 months, judge them then. For the country's sake I hope they get it right because if you peel back the skin of the Reform party its full of dangerous individuals who will go after all our freedoms, the NHS, our pensions and much more.

Boll.cks freedoms are under attack from labour not reform they have never been so bad.

From what I see labour and the chancellor in particular pensions and and anything that they can tax is being taxed.... can't wait to see how many tax rises there are in budget in November?....... they are being very cute with income tax we've not put it up but we've kept allowance at 12k so that people pay more without us putting it up?

If tax brackets had kept pace with inflation then I believe the higher rate should be circa 200 and something k. It’s half that. I’m sure the other levels have done similar things
Successive gvts have held those levels. It’s no wonder we have so little disposable income

So she pays council tax on the house but doesn’t think she owns it ?
Then uses her son’s disability to try and weasel her way out . She is a disgrace

She managed to take advice with the trust, that's not easy, so i guess she has access to advice. I have placed my house in a trust for my girls with all sorts of stipulations. So the "I dunno, i am a working class kid with little education" doesn't wash.

She gamed the system and got caught. Its the hyprocracy of her working class attack dogs comments from when the tories gamed the system that means labour lose any credibility.

Labour are only there because of the anyone but the tories, next election it will be anyone but the tories and labour.

I didn't think it was possible to get worse than Boris,Truss and Sunak, but Keir Starmer has kept the trend.......

In 2 months Rachel from accounts is going to screw us all for more tax, saying its only fair that those earning more should pat more and all eyes will be on the "dunno" housing minister/deputy prime minister.....

Starmer should have sacked her by now, he won't and to quote Raynor he dithered because he is weak (she said that of Sunak due to his dodgy chancellor)

If Starmer sacked Raynor immediately he would have been accused of poor judgement for choosing her from the right and disloyalty to her from the left. He can't win.

The level of vitriol and attack from the right wing is staggering given the Tory government had 14 years. Like many I am disappointed with Labours performance after a year but constantly trying to disable the government and bring it down is not good for the country or democracy. Labour should be given a parliament to make change not 13 months, judge them then. For the country's sake I hope they get it right because if you peel back the skin of the Reform party its full of dangerous individuals who will go after all our freedoms, the NHS, our pensions and much more.

Bin the old Leftwing Rightwing patter mate. It’s a false meaningless dichotomy. We’re being shafted by our politicians, irrespective of what party they represent. They all talk the talk but none of them walk the walk. Big Ange and Labour want to tax us to death, while doing everything they can to duck paying their fair share.

Maybe I am in the minority here but I kind of understand how this happened and I am happy to accept that there was no malice intended.

I genuinely believe that she thought she only had one house and tbh I would have thought the same.

Angela Raynor has a disabled child and, from what I understand, when her situation changed and she needed to spend more time away from Manchester so a trust was setup (which didn't include her name) to own the house and provide her disabled child with accommodation.

Insofar as the Land Registry is concerned Angela Raynor no longer owned the house in Manchester.

So when she bought a house in Brighton I can understand why she thought that house was her only house. The other house of course was in a trust which I understand her ex-husband dealt with.

She has been advised of the mistake and has not contested it and she is in the process of paying the difference.

This just seems to be Political Games.

Stamp duty no longer that straightforward Paul. Under trust terms she seems to have retained some form of control interest in the property. HMRC deem that to make it your principal residence. Making any purchases, additional properties attracting higher rate stamp.
She’s not an ordinary Joe Public person. She’s classed as a Potentially Exposed Person under FCA legislation, subject to higher due diligence. That in itself should have been enough to ensure all crossed and dotted. But she’s also the minister for housing. Making her knowledgeable in the eyes of the law.
She’s been extremely flippant in her regard for rules and taxation, on this and previous property. As a government minister she needs to take more care in every transaction she undertakes.

Maybe I am in the minority here but I kind of understand how this happened and I am happy to accept that there was no malice intended.

I genuinely believe that she thought she only had one house and tbh I would have thought the same.

Angela Raynor has a disabled child and, from what I understand, when her situation changed and she needed to spend more time away from Manchester so a trust was setup (which didn't include her name) to own the house and provide her disabled child with accommodation.

Insofar as the Land Registry is concerned Angela Raynor no longer owned the house in Manchester.

So when she bought a house in Brighton I can understand why she thought that house was her only house. The other house of course was in a trust which I understand her ex-husband dealt with.

She has been advised of the mistake and has not contested it and she is in the process of paying the difference.

This just seems to be Political Games.

Stamp duty no longer that straightforward Paul. Under trust terms she seems to have retained some form of control interest in the property. HMRC deem that to make it your principal residence. Making any purchases, additional properties attracting higher rate stamp.
She’s not an ordinary Joe Public person. She’s classed as a Potentially Exposed Person under FCA legislation, subject to higher due diligence. That in itself should have been enough to ensure all crossed and dotted. But she’s also the minister for housing. Making her knowledgeable in the eyes of the law.
She’s been extremely flippant in her regard for rules and taxation, on this and previous property. As a government minister she needs to take more care in every transaction she undertakes.

Well the conveyers didn't do the tax as she stated.... and what happened with trust was easy explained if as they put it the right question was asked? Can I put house in my sons name answer is no why because he's under 18 so the house was still in her name...if she asked that simple question she would have known her flat would be 2nd home subject to the higher tax.... May not done deliberately but should be sacked for being stupid.

Angela Rayner’s family home was valued at almost twice the amount of other recently sold properties on her street when she sold a stake to her disabled son’s trust so she could buy a holiday home

https://x.com/telegraph/status/1963642234475065671?s=12

Sounds like she’s is trying to avoid IHT

RESIGNED.

RESIGNED.

No surprise whatsoever.

this scandel will be swept under the carpet and forgotten very soon.