Has the "Fit and Proper Persons" test been done?

Many of the messages on here indicate that a deal maybe imminent - as negotiations have been going on for months.

There is the suggestion that one final signature is all that's needed.

From this can we ascertain that the Fit & Proper Persons test has already been carried out -and passed?

I personally don't think much has happened. We've not heard anything official about a bid being accepted, apart from people passing on what they've heard on here. Not saying they are wrong but I always wait until someone reputable reports it before getting excited. The fit and proper test only begins once the league is informed of a proposed takeover, obviously that has not happened yet as it would have been in the media. Even if we hear tonight about a proposed takeover, we're still not out of the woods yet.

Also add to that, if the takeover has anything to do with Gary Otto it is a non runner because he's still a shareholder with Sutton.

It sounds like all the necessary checks have been completed.

I personally don't have any information about the whole thing, but this is something that makes me believe it is very very close.

You do this towards the end of the process, not the start.

I personally don't think much has happened. We've not heard anything official about a bid being accepted, apart from people passing on what they've heard on here. Not saying they are wrong but I always wait until someone reputable reports it before getting excited. The fit and proper test only begins once the league is informed of a proposed takeover, obviously that has not happened yet as it would have been in the media. Even if we hear tonight about a proposed takeover, we're still not out of the woods yet.

Also add to that, if the takeover has anything to do with Gary Otto it is a non runner because he's still a shareholder with Sutton.

Answer these questions?

First why should Our Club say anything until it’s completed??

Do they ever say much or admit they’ve had bids?


It doed not matter about Gary Otto as, as you already know he is the front man and it does not stop him being involved with his Consortium trying to buy Cardiff City??

Did Our Hierarchy admit Bales Consortium made 2 Bids ??


They were fuming he went public.

They are happy that Gary Ottos has not gone public.

I personally don't think much has happened. We've not heard anything official about a bid being accepted, apart from people passing on what they've heard on here. Not saying they are wrong but I always wait until someone reputable reports it before getting excited. The fit and proper test only begins once the league is informed of a proposed takeover, obviously that has not happened yet as it would have been in the media. Even if we hear tonight about a proposed takeover, we're still not out of the woods yet.

Also add to that, if the takeover has anything to do with Gary Otto it is a non runner because he's still a shareholder with Sutton.

Answer these questions?

First why should Our Club sa anything until it’s completed??

Do they ever say much or admit they’ve had bids?


It doed not matter about Gary Otto as, as you already know he is the front man and it does not stop him being involved with his Consortium trying to buy Cardiff City??

Did Our Hierarchy admit Bales Consortium made 2 Bids ??


They were fuming he went public.

They are happy that Gary Ottos have not gone public.

I'm not sure what to say to those questions. I've not once mentioned anything about the club saying they've received bids, so don't know what you want me to say. Our board don't have to say anything about it, until a bid is accepted and they inform the league. Once that happens then the fit and proper test will take place.
My point was until it is mentioned from a reputable source that a bid has been accepted, I will then believe it's happening. Until then in my mind it is all still rumours. If it has anything to do with Gary Otto, we still have the issue of him still holding shares in Sutton. Regardless of if he's the front man or not as he's involved. And there's no announcement of him selling his shares there, he'd also have to find a buyer for those shares.

I personally don't think much has happened. We've not heard anything official about a bid being accepted, apart from people passing on what they've heard on here. Not saying they are wrong but I always wait until someone reputable reports it before getting excited. The fit and proper test only begins once the league is informed of a proposed takeover, obviously that has not happened yet as it would have been in the media. Even if we hear tonight about a proposed takeover, we're still not out of the woods yet.

Also add to that, if the takeover has anything to do with Gary Otto it is a non runner because he's still a shareholder with Sutton.

Answer these questions?

First why should Our Club sa anything until it’s completed??

Do they ever say much or admit they’ve had bids?


It doed not matter about Gary Otto as, as you already know he is the front man and it does not stop him being involved with his Consortium trying to buy Cardiff City??

Did Our Hierarchy admit Bales Consortium made 2 Bids ??


They were fuming he went public.

They are happy that Gary Ottos have not gone public.

I'm not sure what to say to those questions. I've not once mentioned anything about the club saying they've received bids, so don't know what you want me to say. Our board don't have to say anything about it, until a bid is accepted and they inform the league. Once that happens then the fit and proper test will take place.
My point was until it is mentioned from a reputable source that a bid has been accepted, I will then believe it's happening. Until then in my mind it is all still rumours. If it has anything to do with Gary Otto, we still have the issue of him still holding shares in Sutton. Regardless of if he's the front man or not as he's involved. And there's no announcement of him selling his shares there, he'd also have to find a buyer for those shares.

Just simply answer the questions, def not difficult I promise

So you trust what Tan / Choo say??

I personally don't think much has happened. We've not heard anything official about a bid being accepted, apart from people passing on what they've heard on here. Not saying they are wrong but I always wait until someone reputable reports it before getting excited. The fit and proper test only begins once the league is informed of a proposed takeover, obviously that has not happened yet as it would have been in the media. Even if we hear tonight about a proposed takeover, we're still not out of the woods yet.

Also add to that, if the takeover has anything to do with Gary Otto it is a non runner because he's still a shareholder with Sutton.

Answer these questions?

First why should Our Club sa anything until it’s completed??

Do they ever say much or admit they’ve had bids?


It doed not matter about Gary Otto as, as you already know he is the front man and it does not stop him being involved with his Consortium trying to buy Cardiff City??

Did Our Hierarchy admit Bales Consortium made 2 Bids ??


They were fuming he went public.

They are happy that Gary Ottos have not gone public.

I'm not sure what to say to those questions. I've not once mentioned anything about the club saying they've received bids, so don't know what you want me to say. Our board don't have to say anything about it, until a bid is accepted and they inform the league. Once that happens then the fit and proper test will take place.
My point was until it is mentioned from a reputable source that a bid has been accepted, I will then believe it's happening. Until then in my mind it is all still rumours. If it has anything to do with Gary Otto, we still have the issue of him still holding shares in Sutton. Regardless of if he's the front man or not as he's involved. And there's no announcement of him selling his shares there, he'd also have to find a buyer for those shares.

Who's to say Gary otto will be the majority share holder of city? He's front man doesn't mean he'll be majority shareholder because of his Sutton connection he may well not be so point becomes irrelevant.. besides he is fully aware of ownership rules of efl so unless hes stupid he would have dorted it out before making offer....but we will see hopefully to night

I personally don't think much has happened. We've not heard anything official about a bid being accepted, apart from people passing on what they've heard on here. Not saying they are wrong but I always wait until someone reputable reports it before getting excited. The fit and proper test only begins once the league is informed of a proposed takeover, obviously that has not happened yet as it would have been in the media. Even if we hear tonight about a proposed takeover, we're still not out of the woods yet.

Also add to that, if the takeover has anything to do with Gary Otto it is a non runner because he's still a shareholder with Sutton.

Answer these questions?

First why should Our Club sa anything until it’s completed??

Do they ever say much or admit they’ve had bids?


It doed not matter about Gary Otto as, as you already know he is the front man and it does not stop him being involved with his Consortium trying to buy Cardiff City??

Did Our Hierarchy admit Bales Consortium made 2 Bids ??


They were fuming he went public.

They are happy that Gary Ottos have not gone public.

I'm not sure what to say to those questions. I've not once mentioned anything about the club saying they've received bids, so don't know what you want me to say. Our board don't have to say anything about it, until a bid is accepted and they inform the league. Once that happens then the fit and proper test will take place.
My point was until it is mentioned from a reputable source that a bid has been accepted, I will then believe it's happening. Until then in my mind it is all still rumours. If it has anything to do with Gary Otto, we still have the issue of him still holding shares in Sutton. Regardless of if he's the front man or not as he's involved. And there's no announcement of him selling his shares there, he'd also have to find a buyer for those shares.

Just simply answer the questions, def not difficult I promise

So you trust what Tan / Choo say??

As I've already said theres nothing to say. They are completely pointless and irrelevant questions. How would I know the answers, and why are you even asking them because I've not mentioned anything about your questions.

I personally don't think much has happened. We've not heard anything official about a bid being accepted, apart from people passing on what they've heard on here. Not saying they are wrong but I always wait until someone reputable reports it before getting excited. The fit and proper test only begins once the league is informed of a proposed takeover, obviously that has not happened yet as it would have been in the media. Even if we hear tonight about a proposed takeover, we're still not out of the woods yet.

Also add to that, if the takeover has anything to do with Gary Otto it is a non runner because he's still a shareholder with Sutton.

Answer these questions?

First why should Our Club sa anything until it’s completed??

Do they ever say much or admit they’ve had bids?


It doed not matter about Gary Otto as, as you already know he is the front man and it does not stop him being involved with his Consortium trying to buy Cardiff City??

Did Our Hierarchy admit Bales Consortium made 2 Bids ??


They were fuming he went public.

They are happy that Gary Ottos have not gone public.

I'm not sure what to say to those questions. I've not once mentioned anything about the club saying they've received bids, so don't know what you want me to say. Our board don't have to say anything about it, until a bid is accepted and they inform the league. Once that happens then the fit and proper test will take place.
My point was until it is mentioned from a reputable source that a bid has been accepted, I will then believe it's happening. Until then in my mind it is all still rumours. If it has anything to do with Gary Otto, we still have the issue of him still holding shares in Sutton. Regardless of if he's the front man or not as he's involved. And there's no announcement of him selling his shares there, he'd also have to find a buyer for those shares.

Who's to say Gary otto will be the majority share holder of city? He's front man doesn't mean he'll be majority shareholder because of his Sutton connection he may well not be so point becomes irrelevant.. besides he is fully aware of ownership rules of efl so unless hes stupid he would have dorted it out before making offer....but we will see hopefully to night

I understand that you are saying but it's still a conflict of interest. If he was negotiating the terms with absolutely no view of becoming a shareholder then that would maybe be feasible.

..... Also add to that, if the takeover has anything to do with Gary Otto it is a non runner because he's still a shareholder with Sutton.

Just to muddy the waters a tad. Sutton United filed paperwork with Companies House on 30th June that removed MBUZZSPORT LLC as a person with significant control.

However MBUZZSPORT LLC ultimate owner is not Gary Otto but Nawaf Al Shammari.

Apparently so...

..... Also add to that, if the takeover has anything to do with Gary Otto it is a non runner because he's still a shareholder with Sutton.

Just to muddy the waters a tad. Sutton United filed paperwork with Companies House on 30th June that removed MBUZZSPORT LLC as a person with significant control.

However MBUZZSPORT LLC ultimate owner is not Gary Otto but Nawaf Al Shammari.

Who's he? But did say otto may not be Sutton majority shareholder do wouldn't effect city bid

Just for clarity, Gary Otto has a minimum of 50% and a maximum of 75% share holding in Sutton United, so would need to relinquish all or most of those before taking a place on the Cardiff City FC Board

However, it is believed he is acting as the ‘front man’ for a consortium, so the question regarding the EFL’s ‘fit and proper’ test, will depend on large or small a chunk of us he wants to take on personally

At Sutton United levels, I would suggest he’s already cleared that there, so it wouldn’t be a long process a second time around

..... Also add to that, if the takeover has anything to do with Gary Otto it is a non runner because he's still a shareholder with Sutton.

Just to muddy the waters a tad. Sutton United filed paperwork with Companies House on 30th June that removed MBUZZSPORT LLC as a person with significant control.

However MBUZZSPORT LLC ultimate owner is not Gary Otto but Nawaf Al Shammari.

Yes, and that’s exactly what made Gary Otto the majority shareholder. According to Companies House, he now holds between 50% and 75% of the shares in Sutton United. That’s in direct conflict with Sutton United’s own rules, which state that no individual shareholder is permitted to own more than 25%.

Otto claims he became the majority shareholder by default, after his associate Nawaf Al Shammari sold his shares—but whether that aligns with the club’s ownership regulations is a completely different matter.