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Jonesy-valleyboy27 wrote:I no expert on football finances. At all.
But this seems to me as they don’t have that much cash behind them.
Probably my naivety showing through but I would have thought you need way more to make a club a successful epl team. Or have I been bamboozled by the mega rich take overs by Saudi and ratcliffe and Ashley etc. ?
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Roath_Blue wrote:Jonesy-valleyboy27 wrote:I no expert on football finances. At all.
But this seems to me as they don’t have that much cash behind them.
Probably my naivety showing through but I would have thought you need way more to make a club a successful epl team. Or have I been bamboozled by the mega rich take overs by Saudi and ratcliffe and Ashley etc. ?
I wouldn’t say that nearly 2 billion is ‘not much money behind them’
It’s certainly a lot more than VT has.
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SB 1927 wrote:Thanks Paul. Great post, as always.
What baffles me is, football clubs are renowned for not making profit. In fact, the majority are making losses and in significant debt (like us). Why would an investment firm want to buy a football club?
A billionaires toy has been the most recent trend in ownership, where they can suck up the losses etc with the hope of winning the lottery with a premiership run. Maybe they know something I don't, which is why I'm not on wall street I guess!
Sat Jun 21, 2025 12:49 pm
Paul Keevil wrote:So as I have recently mentioned on this board I am autistic and one of my autistic traits is the desire to know information, and know it straight away - and I often use my friend ChatGPT as my mechanism for this.
So a few weeks ago, when I learned of the Gareth Bale Consortium was interested in Plymouth, I did some research and I guess the answers apply to Cardiff
Who us the American family that carries the money behind the Gareth Bale led consortium
Journalistic reports (including as and The Sun) indicate that Bale is fronting a takeover alongside a U.S.-based private equity firm that includes the Storch family
Who are the Storch Family
David P Storch (67) - Chicago based - Largest Shareholder of the £2billion AAR Corporation
Gerald "Jerry" L Storch (68) - NewJersey - Ex CEO Toys R Us
The suggestion is that David Storch "ARISE Capital Partners" could be the vehicle behind the consortium
How Wealthy
DP Storch - $60-90m
G Storch - $30-35m - (Interests: Director of Fanatics - Worlds Largest Sports Merchandiser and Retailer)
Family & Trusts - $1.8billion
ARISE Capital Partners - 100% owned family investment firm. Filings show regular deals between $25-150m so the purchase of CCFC would be well within their normal deal capability
Who are ARISE Capital Partners
https://www.arisecp.com/
How could the purchase work - Just Hyperthetically
There is the suggestion that VT might be willing to sell for £25m on the basis that he is paid his debt of £68m
- (Is this correct??)
One option could be, in exchange for the debt, to give VT shares in the new company which could work like this:
ARISE Capital Partners - (60%)
Gareth Bale - (15%)
Vincent Tan - (25%)
Could that work
For VT he avoids the daily responsibility of the club but rather than taking a loss by taking shares with an upside that could triple or even quadruple once we are back in the EPL.
For the Consortium it would reduce up front cash. They wouldnt have to borrow £68m to repay VT and as the club prospers everyone wins.
Anyway none of this is guaranteed but I hope some of it assists.
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llan bluebird wrote:SB 1927 wrote:Thanks Paul. Great post, as always.
What baffles me is, football clubs are renowned for not making profit. In fact, the majority are making losses and in significant debt (like us). Why would an investment firm want to buy a football club?
A billionaires toy has been the most recent trend in ownership, where they can suck up the losses etc with the hope of winning the lottery with a premiership run. Maybe they know something I don't, which is why I'm not on wall street I guess!
Tan bought us for around £ 35 million. At 5% over 15 years, his investment should be worth £72 million. Sounds about right. I am not sure on the loan situation or how they'd be repaid or written off.
I read in one of the financial papers that Roman Abramovich nearly broke even during all those Chelsea excesses. He bought it for £140 mill, (£60 million price and paid £80 million of debts) and sold it for £4.25 billion. Sports is an asset that US hedge funds and asset managers believe still has a way to go.
Sat Jun 21, 2025 4:24 pm
Paul Keevil wrote:So as I have recently mentioned on this board I am autistic and one of my autistic traits is the desire to know information, and know it straight away - and I often use my friend ChatGPT as my mechanism for this.
So a few weeks ago, when I learned of the Gareth Bale Consortium was interested in Plymouth, I did some research and I guess the answers apply to Cardiff
Who us the American family that carries the money behind the Gareth Bale led consortium
Journalistic reports (including as and The Sun) indicate that Bale is fronting a takeover alongside a U.S.-based private equity firm that includes the Storch family
Who are the Storch Family
David P Storch (67) - Chicago based - Largest Shareholder of the £2billion AAR Corporation
Gerald "Jerry" L Storch (68) - NewJersey - Ex CEO Toys R Us
The suggestion is that David Storch "ARISE Capital Partners" could be the vehicle behind the consortium
How Wealthy
DP Storch - $60-90m
G Storch - $30-35m - (Interests: Director of Fanatics - Worlds Largest Sports Merchandiser and Retailer)
Family & Trusts - $1.8billion
ARISE Capital Partners - 100% owned family investment firm. Filings show regular deals between $25-150m so the purchase of CCFC would be well within their normal deal capability
Who are ARISE Capital Partners
https://www.arisecp.com/
How could the purchase work - Just Hyperthetically
There is the suggestion that VT might be willing to sell for £25m on the basis that he is paid his debt of £68m
- (Is this correct??)
One option could be, in exchange for the debt, to give VT shares in the new company which could work like this:
ARISE Capital Partners - (60%)
Gareth Bale - (15%)
Vincent Tan - (25%)
Could that work
For VT he avoids the daily responsibility of the club but rather than taking a loss by taking shares with an upside that could triple or even quadruple once we are back in the EPL.
For the Consortium it would reduce up front cash. They wouldnt have to borrow £68m to repay VT and as the club prospers everyone wins.
Anyway none of this is guaranteed but I hope some of it assists.
Sat Jun 21, 2025 4:24 pm
Jonesy-valleyboy27 wrote:Roath_Blue wrote:Jonesy-valleyboy27 wrote:I no expert on football finances. At all.
But this seems to me as they don’t have that much cash behind them.
Probably my naivety showing through but I would have thought you need way more to make a club a successful epl team. Or have I been bamboozled by the mega rich take overs by Saudi and ratcliffe and Ashley etc. ?
I wouldn’t say that nearly 2 billion is ‘not much money behind them’
It’s certainly a lot more than VT has.
Lol you right 2 billion is a lot.
But their wealth was up to 90£million and up to 35£million. Although I’d live that much just does seem much for a club owner. I mean is that about the wealth of thwrexham owners and they now realising how much money is needed just I. The championship.
Sat Jun 21, 2025 4:27 pm