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“ Aaron Ramsey / Des Buckingham Poll “

Sat Jun 07, 2025 4:04 pm

Who would you choose?

I like Ramsey but still believe it's too soon for him.

Buckingham has been my first choice from the start.




Journalist and Cardiff City fan Darren Witcoop:




Cardiff’s long managerial search due to end next week. As it stands, appears to be between Aaron Ramsey or Des Buckingham. Ramsey has presented his coaching team to board should be take over with talks continuing

Re: Aaron Ramsey / Des Buckingham says:

Sat Jun 07, 2025 4:13 pm

I am dead against Ramsey and on the whole still am. But, if this is what the club wants, then it has to be a three-year plan with an experienced manager coming in for his first year to lead with Rambo being his assistant and trying to still be a player.

The experienced manager then leaves, Rambo retires as a player and takes over. Dave Jones for one last hoorah :D

A lot of tossing around, Des would be a less complicated appointment. So Des with maybe Rambo as assistant, but would any self-respecting coach allow that? He is your replacement!!!!
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Re: Aaron Ramsey / Des Buckingham says:

Sat Jun 07, 2025 4:14 pm

Ramsey for me.

Re: Aaron Ramsey / Des Buckingham says:

Sat Jun 07, 2025 4:21 pm

Ramsey

Re: Aaron Ramsey / Des Buckingham says:

Sat Jun 07, 2025 4:22 pm

I've gone with Ramsey as this club desperately needs a proper football structure in place, we cant keep making the same mistakes over and over hoping for a different outcome

Re: Aaron Ramsey / Des Buckingham says:

Sat Jun 07, 2025 4:22 pm

Des simply because we need a clean sweep with fredhbideas

Re: Aaron Ramsey / Des Buckingham says:

Sat Jun 07, 2025 4:31 pm

Ramsey. Buckingham's record and experience in the UK has been massively overstated by some on this forum and represents as big a risk as Ramsey. But at least Ramsey knows the players and the club

Re: Aaron Ramsey / Des Buckingham says:

Sat Jun 07, 2025 4:36 pm

JJ1927 wrote:Ramsey. Buckingham's record and experience in the UK has been massively overstated by some on this forum and represents as big a risk as Ramsey. But at least Ramsey knows the players and the club


And he knows the Wales team perhaps a few on loan :thumbup:

Re: Aaron Ramsey / Des Buckingham says:

Sat Jun 07, 2025 4:38 pm

I certainly don't want Ramsey as our player manager. If he announces his retirement from playing I would be happy to have him as our manager.

Re: Aaron Ramsey / Des Buckingham says:

Sat Jun 07, 2025 4:39 pm

Blue View wrote:I certainly don't want Ramsey as our player manager. If he announces his retirement from playing I would be happy to have him as our manager.

I don't think he will be player manager just manager :thumbup:

Re: Aaron Ramsey / Des Buckingham says:

Sat Jun 07, 2025 4:53 pm

JJ1927 wrote:Ramsey. Buckingham's record and experience in the UK has been massively overstated by some on this forum and represents as big a risk as Ramsey. But at least Ramsey knows the players and the club


Always said Buckingham for me.

I don't attach too much weight to PPG or stuff like that, can only work with what you've been given.

I thought Oxford played a good style under Buckingham. It worked.

He had a tough start when he took over there but once things clicked, they really clicked. May well have kept them up, we'll never known - but their fans seemed to think it was harsh when they let him go.

The other thing that can't be ignored is that Ramsey has only managed three games. I believe he will go on to be a good manager - but not sure the time is right now.

My hunch is it will be Ramsey. Nothing to base that on, just a feeling.

Whoever it is, we all need to back them to give them the best chance of success.

Can't be in a position where we're looking for another manager during the season again.

Re: Aaron Ramsey / Des Buckingham says:

Sat Jun 07, 2025 5:01 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:
JJ1927 wrote:Ramsey. Buckingham's record and experience in the UK has been massively overstated by some on this forum and represents as big a risk as Ramsey. But at least Ramsey knows the players and the club


Always said Buckingham for me.

I don't attach too much weight to PPG or stuff like that, can only work with what you've been given.

I thought Oxford played a good style under Buckingham. It worked.

He had a tough start when he took over there but once things clicked, they really clicked. May well have kept them up, we'll never known - but their fans seemed to think it was harsh when they let him go.

The other thing that can't be ignored is that Ramsey has only managed three games. I believe he will go on to be a good manager - but not sure the time is right now.

My hunch is it will be Ramsey. Nothing to base that on, just a feeling.

Whoever it is, we all need to back them to give them the best chance of success.

Can't be in a position where we're looking for another manager during the season again.



Assuming its Des, what would you do with Ramsey?

IMO you can't have your obvious replacement sitting in the tent. 3 bad results and the Rambo chants would start.

Re: Aaron Ramsey / Des Buckingham says:

Sat Jun 07, 2025 5:06 pm

llan bluebird wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:
JJ1927 wrote:Ramsey. Buckingham's record and experience in the UK has been massively overstated by some on this forum and represents as big a risk as Ramsey. But at least Ramsey knows the players and the club


Always said Buckingham for me.

I don't attach too much weight to PPG or stuff like that, can only work with what you've been given.

I thought Oxford played a good style under Buckingham. It worked.

He had a tough start when he took over there but once things clicked, they really clicked. May well have kept them up, we'll never known - but their fans seemed to think it was harsh when they let him go.

The other thing that can't be ignored is that Ramsey has only managed three games. I believe he will go on to be a good manager - but not sure the time is right now.

My hunch is it will be Ramsey. Nothing to base that on, just a feeling.

Whoever it is, we all need to back them to give them the best chance of success.

Can't be in a position where we're looking for another manager during the season again.



Assuming its Des, what would you do with Ramsey?

IMO you can't have your obvious replacement sitting in the tent. 3 bad results and the Rambo chants would start.


Good question.

I don't believe the links to the Mexican club, looks like just paper talk. But if Des got the job, I'd expect Ramsey to move on - partly for the reason you've said.

Like I say though, my hunch is it'll be Ramsey.

Re: Aaron Ramsey / Des Buckingham says:

Sat Jun 07, 2025 5:39 pm

Buckingham.

Got a team promoted out of this league and we finally get good football to watch.

Ramsey could work but let him get coaching experience first before jumping straight to manager. I’d imagine Ramsey would aim for good football as it suits how he played and the teams he played for.

Re: Aaron Ramsey / Des Buckingham says:

Sat Jun 07, 2025 5:45 pm

Des Buckingham for me would love Ramsey involved in some capacity though

Re: Aaron Ramsey / Des Buckingham says:

Sat Jun 07, 2025 5:51 pm

He knows the club, he loves the club, he knows the players (and has their respect), he could tell you right now what areas need strengthening and, if the gossip is true, a DOF will be alongside him...so it's Ramsey for me.

However, if the DOF bit is nonsense, then I'd probably go with Buckingham coz at least he comes with a little experience.

Re: Aaron Ramsey / Des Buckingham says:

Sat Jun 07, 2025 6:01 pm

I went for Ramsey; people are saying to look at Buckingham's Oxford results, which I did. Last season in the championship, he managed 18 points from 20 games. That's with a team that was a lot more balanced than the team Ramsey had in his three games. I think that if it is about these two, then Ramsey is by far the better option.

Re: Aaron Ramsey / Des Buckingham says:

Sat Jun 07, 2025 6:04 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:
JJ1927 wrote:Ramsey. Buckingham's record and experience in the UK has been massively overstated by some on this forum and represents as big a risk as Ramsey. But at least Ramsey knows the players and the club


Always said Buckingham for me.

I don't attach too much weight to PPG or stuff like that, can only work with what you've been given.

I thought Oxford played a good style under Buckingham. It worked.

He had a tough start when he took over there but once things clicked, they really clicked. May well have kept them up, we'll never known - but their fans seemed to think it was harsh when they let him go.

The other thing that can't be ignored is that Ramsey has only managed three games. I believe he will go on to be a good manager - but not sure the time is right now.

My hunch is it will be Ramsey. Nothing to base that on, just a feeling.

Whoever it is, we all need to back them to give them the best chance of success.

Can't be in a position where we're looking for another manager during the season again.

For once we agree on our manager :thumbup:

I'd like to see Buckingham as manager but with Ramsey as a player/coach. He'll learn a lot and can pass on his vast playing experience under some world class managers onto Buckingham.

Re: Aaron Ramsey / Des Buckingham says:

Sat Jun 07, 2025 6:18 pm

MikeO76 wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:
JJ1927 wrote:Ramsey. Buckingham's record and experience in the UK has been massively overstated by some on this forum and represents as big a risk as Ramsey. But at least Ramsey knows the players and the club


Always said Buckingham for me.

I don't attach too much weight to PPG or stuff like that, can only work with what you've been given.

I thought Oxford played a good style under Buckingham. It worked.

He had a tough start when he took over there but once things clicked, they really clicked. May well have kept them up, we'll never known - but their fans seemed to think it was harsh when they let him go.

The other thing that can't be ignored is that Ramsey has only managed three games. I believe he will go on to be a good manager - but not sure the time is right now.

My hunch is it will be Ramsey. Nothing to base that on, just a feeling.

Whoever it is, we all need to back them to give them the best chance of success.

Can't be in a position where we're looking for another manager during the season again.

For once we agree on our manager :thumbup:

I'd like to see Buckingham as manager but with Ramsey as a player/coach. He'll learn a lot and can pass on his vast playing experience under some world class managers onto Buckingham.


Agree with that.

Re: Aaron Ramsey / Des Buckingham says:

Sat Jun 07, 2025 6:21 pm

rontom wrote:I went for Ramsey; people are saying to look at Buckingham's Oxford results, which I did. Last season in the championship, he managed 18 points from 20 games. That's with a team that was a lot more balanced than the team Ramsey had in his three games. I think that if it is about these two, then Ramsey is by far the better option.


Big difference between 20 games and three games. Obviously.

You've also left out Buckingham's promotion from League One. People can say what they want about him managing in only part of the season, but he was the manager who won the play-offs.

I believe it will be Ramsey but my worry is it's too soon for him.

Re: Aaron Ramsey / Des Buckingham says:

Sat Jun 07, 2025 6:24 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:
JJ1927 wrote:Ramsey. Buckingham's record and experience in the UK has been massively overstated by some on this forum and represents as big a risk as Ramsey. But at least Ramsey knows the players and the club


Always said Buckingham for me.

I don't attach too much weight to PPG or stuff like that, can only work with what you've been given.

I thought Oxford played a good style under Buckingham. It worked.

He had a tough start when he took over there but once things clicked, they really clicked. May well have kept them up, we'll never known - but their fans seemed to think it was harsh when they let him go.

The other thing that can't be ignored is that Ramsey has only managed three games. I believe he will go on to be a good manager - but not sure the time is right now.

My hunch is it will be Ramsey. Nothing to base that on, just a feeling.

Whoever it is, we all need to back them to give them the best chance of success.

Can't be in a position where we're looking for another manager during the season again.


I’d agree with everything said here

Re: Aaron Ramsey / Des Buckingham says:

Sat Jun 07, 2025 6:52 pm

I really can't understand why people choose Ramsey, of course he's very popular as a player but as a manager he's lacking experience. We get this appointment wrong and it could be another relegation to league 2

Re: Aaron Ramsey / Des Buckingham says:

Sat Jun 07, 2025 6:59 pm

If you pick Ramsey, then IN MY OPINION you are clueless.

Re: Aaron Ramsey / Des Buckingham says:

Sat Jun 07, 2025 6:59 pm

Not bothered now.

I fancied Buckingham in the beginning but it would not bother me if Ramsey gets it. Although Ramsey does not have the experience but what he does have is knowledge of how some of the top teams in Europe are set up. From that he will know what is required.

Re: Aaron Ramsey / Des Buckingham says:

Sat Jun 07, 2025 8:12 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:
rontom wrote:I went for Ramsey; people are saying to look at Buckingham's Oxford results, which I did. Last season in the championship, he managed 18 points from 20 games. That's with a team that was a lot more balanced than the team Ramsey had in his three games. I think that if it is about these two, then Ramsey is by far the better option.


Big difference between 20 games and three games. Obviously.

You've also left out Buckingham's promotion from League One. People can say what they want about him managing in only part of the season, but he was the manager who won the play-offs.

I believe it will be Ramsey but my worry is it's too soon for him.


When Liam Manning left Oxford, they were 2nd in the table with 32 pts from 15 matches. The figures for Des at the end of the season were 31 matches, 45 pts, and 5th in the table. If you used the average points per game for Des for the 15 matches, Manning got he would have got 10 points less and therefore would not have been promoted. I know that you cannot guarantee that, but the claim that he was solely responsible for the promotion is, in my opinion, open to question.

Re: Aaron Ramsey / Des Buckingham says:

Sat Jun 07, 2025 8:40 pm

rontom wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:
rontom wrote:I went for Ramsey; people are saying to look at Buckingham's Oxford results, which I did. Last season in the championship, he managed 18 points from 20 games. That's with a team that was a lot more balanced than the team Ramsey had in his three games. I think that if it is about these two, then Ramsey is by far the better option.


Big difference between 20 games and three games. Obviously.

You've also left out Buckingham's promotion from League One. People can say what they want about him managing in only part of the season, but he was the manager who won the play-offs.

I believe it will be Ramsey but my worry is it's too soon for him.


When Liam Manning left Oxford, they were 2nd in the table with 32 pts from 15 matches. The figures for Des at the end of the season were 31 matches, 45 pts, and 5th in the table. If you used the average points per game for Des for the 15 matches, Manning got he would have got 10 points less and therefore would not have been promoted. I know that you cannot guarantee that, but the claim that he was solely responsible for the promotion is, in my opinion, open to question.


Like I said, Buckingham got off to a slow start but they were flying when things clicked.

I will also repeat again - Buckingham won the play-offs, not Manning.

Compare that to Wycombe this season. Lost their manager when they were around the top three - didn't go up.

Re: Aaron Ramsey / Des Buckingham says:

Sat Jun 07, 2025 9:34 pm

Ramsey for me.

I see nothing in Buckingham that makes me think he’s the man to turn us around.

He got sacked by Oxford who were hardly tearing up trees under him.

He did try to play decent football but who’s to say Ramsey won’t do that ? He certainly seemed to change the way we played in 3 games he managed so let’s see what he can do with a full preseason.

Re: “ Aaron Ramsey / Des Buckingham Poll “

Sun Jun 08, 2025 7:32 am

Buckingham with ramsay as a coach would work for me ain't going to happen

Re: “ Aaron Ramsey / Des Buckingham Poll “

Sun Jun 08, 2025 7:42 am

I voted for Ramsey, on the basis of his clear desire for structural change at the club.

The club desperately needs to modernise and have greater consistency in style of play, recruitment and all that goes with it. We need a stronger back room staff, we need a director of football to drive things from the top. Ramsey’s comments at the end of the season gave me some hope we could bring the club into the 2010s .. Though I’ll caveat it by saying if Ramsey didn’t get the changes required, I’d be very disappointed.

With Buckingham, it feels like it’ll be more of the same. Like a lot of the suggested options, to me he’s a coach and not a manager. Until you put a stronger structure over the top, it’s more of the same. Potential for a period of success, but if he struggles, we’ll be in the same spot in 6-12 months time. Given this shambles, as has been the case for the last 5 or so years, I can’t trust those at the top.

Re: Aaron Ramsey / Des Buckingham says:

Sun Jun 08, 2025 9:48 am

rontom wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:
rontom wrote:I went for Ramsey; people are saying to look at Buckingham's Oxford results, which I did. Last season in the championship, he managed 18 points from 20 games. That's with a team that was a lot more balanced than the team Ramsey had in his three games. I think that if it is about these two, then Ramsey is by far the better option.


Big difference between 20 games and three games. Obviously.

You've also left out Buckingham's promotion from League One. People can say what they want about him managing in only part of the season, but he was the manager who won the play-offs.

I believe it will be Ramsey but my worry is it's too soon for him.


When Liam Manning left Oxford, they were 2nd in the table with 32 pts from 15 matches. The figures for Des at the end of the season were 31 matches, 45 pts, and 5th in the table. If you used the average points per game for Des for the 15 matches, Manning got he would have got 10 points less and therefore would not have been promoted. I know that you cannot guarantee that, but the claim that he was solely responsible for the promotion is, in my opinion, open to question.


Agree entirely with you and I have been trying to point this out for ages now but most seem blind to it. In fact his record was slightly worse than you point out because one of the games he won in your stats was actually won by the caretaker manager. His average points record in the promotion season would have seen them get 64 points over a full season and finish in mid table.

He may have other qualities which I and most people on this forum are unaware of but his record at Oxford is mediocre and prior to that he had no league experience having managed in India and the New Zealand u 23

I am baffled by the clamour for him. He must have a very very good agent.