FAB Meeting minutes

Minutes of the Fan Advisory Board (FAB) Meeting

18:00hrs, 12 May 2025 - Captains Lounge, Cardiff City Stadium

Cardiff City Football Club Limited (the “Club”)

Company Number: 00109065

PRESENT:

Mehmet Dalman (MD) - Chairman
Ken Choo (KC) - CEO
Steve Borley (SB) - Nominated board level Representative (NBLR)
Philip Jenkins (PJ) - Financial Director
Amy James (AJ) - Head of Fan Experience
Dawn Williamson (DW) - Head of Human Resources
Mark Denham (MDe) - Head of Communications
James Askey (JA) - Head of Customer Relationship Management
Gavin Chesterfield (GC) - Academy manager
Michelle McDonald (MM) - Club secretary
Lee Southernwood (LS) - Head of football operations
Keith Morgan (KM) - Supporters Trust Representative
Jeremy Williams (JW) - Supporters Trust Representative
Kieran Jones (KJ) - Disabled Supporters Association Representative
Luke Summerfield (LS) - Supporters Club Representative
Jane Ford (JF) - Supporters Club Representative
Michael Weedon (MW) - Directly elected FAB Representative
Fraser Worth (FW) - Directly elected FAB Representative
Allyson Rees (AR) - Directly elected FAB Representative
Vince Alm (VA) - Directly elected FAB Representative
Paul Corkrey (PC) FAB Secretary & Administrator





MD welcomed everyone to the meeting and thanked everyone for agreeing to re arrange, at
short notice, bringing it forward two days.

SB Thanked MD and KC for their attendance. He confirmed that he would co-chair the meeting
on behalf of The Fan Engagement panel (FEP) with Mike Weedon chair of the FAB.

SB Asked for agreement that the minutes from the last meeting were accurate. KJ Verified that the minutes were accurate with no matters arising.
SB asked if we could start with the FAB questions sent in ahead of the meeting.

FAB: What is the strategy for next season including addressing the balance between reduction
in income and maintaining a competitive squad?

KC: We are still in the process of finding the right balance for finance; there will be millions lost
due to relegation, but we believe we can offset most of that loss by reducing the squad size.
There are also relegation clauses in players contracts.

PJ: These calculations are based on squad reduction to 25 and player contract reductions.

KC: There is also a chance players will be sold in the transfer window, which could make a big
difference to our calculations. Once a new manager is in place it will become clearer.

FAB: Some clubs have put out their retained list. Are we due to publish ours?

MM: The league [EFL] will require this shortly and publish it, but the club will also put
something out in the coming weeks.

FAB: Is there not a vacuum now, or a position of weakness, due to no manager being in place?

KC: There will be no vacuum. The players are away now and those out of contract are still
under contract until the end of June, so things will really start moving in a few weeks’ time and
we will be prepared for that.

MD: There are three elements regarding players that we will deal with: firstly, the eight players
out of contract, then the players who are loyal and want to stay at the club and then the
players who won’t want to play in League One. We have had and will continue to have
discussions with all three groups. Initial discussions indicate that most players want to stay and
fight to get the club back into the Championship.

FAB: Can you explain the incentive for players to want to stay at the club or for recruiting
players to come to the club?

MD: We are not actively looking to sell anyone. If they are determined to leave then we will
consider offers, but we expect players to honour their contracts. Cardiff City is seen as a big
club and getting the club back to the Championship will give players credibility. We believe we
are an attractive club for players to come to.

FAB: The Evidence is clear that there is need for full time footballing expertise at board level
more than ever this season. Will this be part of Tan Sri Vincent Tan’s “period of review” and if
so, how?

MD: We are a unique Board in the sense that we can advise and execute but cannot make
decisions without referring to the major shareholder. Would I personally like more football
expertise on the Board? The answer would be ‘absolutely’, but it would need to be a trusted
person and it’s not as simple as it sounds. However, the board would welcome more football
knowledge, and I agree it would benefit us if we could get the right person. We do believe in SB
who has been at the club for 27 years; I, through my many years in football, do have a lot of
experience, so it’s unfair to say there is no football experience at all on the board.

FAB: Is VT still committed to the club?

KC: Yes VT is. VT and us all wants positive changes to the club [KC wouldn’t go into detail about
what VT has said] but it is swaying more towards more football people doing things better
within the club. VT has invested over £250m + into the club and has maintained that he will still
invest

FAB are pleased that a new approach has been taken with regards to hiring a new manager
but remain concerned that bringing additional football expertise into the football club is not a
more permanent solution.

FAB: Senior management expressed to the fans at the end of season awards how the club
needs to learn from what has happened. What has been learned? What will change following
another season of failure? Have the club learned from last season about the process with
regard to the selection of first team manager and will there be a better method of appointing
the new manager this summer. Will there be better communication to the fan base?

MD: The Club has engaged leading global sports agency, Wasserman, to provide the Board with
potential names for a new manager. We are introducing a new selection Sub Committee of
Gavin Chesterfield, Mark Allen, Patrick DeBoy’s and one member of the agency to create a
short list to present to the Board. It’s critical we get this right and we will go through this
rigorous process to present the owner with our final recommendations.

FAB Asked if the club would be willing to appoint a manager who is in work and pay
compensation, rather than just look at unemployed managers.

MD Advised the club are willing and able to pay compensation for a manager in a job, but only
if they’re the right man for the job and it must make financial sense.

FAB Asked about getting a Director of Football to take control of the football side of things.

MD We would welcome more football knowledge on the Board, but that’s ultimately the
decision of the owner. The Board can only make the recommendation to him

FAB: The DNA we had 20years ago has been destroyed, and the choice of a manager must have
a playing style philosophy to mirror the great work that the Academy has done over the past
few years. League 1 will give an easier option for younger players to have game time

MD: We will end up with two or three buckets, if you like: one will be for an experienced
manager who has done this before, another for a bright, upcoming manager who will give us a
longer-term option - and the club desperately needs that stability - and the third one is that
we will look at continental managers. We will then make a final decision.

FAB: Our point is we didn’t always learn from the past mistakes, so the structure appears to
have been wrong on numerous occasions.

KC: We are trying to use more football knowledge and change the process, something we have
never done before. Vincent Tan is aware of this new process and we speak daily.

FAB: If you can demonstrate that you are trying to put that plan of action into the place it’s
likely you will get support from the fan base. We need to establish a DNA within the club; it’s a
small step in the right direction but better communication about the direction of the club
needs to be more forthcoming to the fans.

MD: I am always open to communication. I have always met fan groups; we have started
putting newsletters on the website to keep fans updated. If there are more ways we can
communicate, we are open to suggestions.

FAB: Is there a timeline? We think it’s important to get it done but we believe there is also a
balance to making a quick decision and the right decision.

MD: The process has started and we still have some time, but we would like it to be in the next
few weeks [by the end of May].

FAB: There are two budgets, one for the football staff side of things and one for the club staff
side. The huge losses we face next season were caused by the football side, so will there be
cuts to the hard working, non-football staff who were not responsible for the losses?

PJ: We can’t accurately answer that question at this current time. We are going through the
process of adjustments in the football side but also in our operational costs to see where
savings can be made. All heads of departments are currently going through a budgeting
process which we will go through in the next few weeks.

FAB: Will work on the new training ground be affected?

LS: Ecology preparation work recommenced on the site in the spring and is ongoing. Tenders
for the main contract were returned last Friday and are being reviewed. The training ground
project will form part of a wider review of the club’s operations.

FAB: Can you confirm that there will be continued investment in the Academy?

KC said there is no current intention to make any cuts to the Academy as this could save the
club a lot of money with home grown players coming through to the First Team.

GC Confirmed that the Board and Owner have always been massively supportive during his
time at the club and the work the club has done, prior to his time as well, the year on year
investment will now start to bear fruit; the metrics will show that last year we had 11% of first
team minutes made up from academy graduates and this season it has risen to 16.8% so it
bodes well for the future

FAB asked if VT could make some appearances at games. He has not been at a game in person
for 16 months. If he could also meet with the fans that would go a long way in the rebuilding
of the club.

KC said that with his many businesses in Asia, it is more time effective for VT to stay in
Malaysia and watch the games there. He never misses a game. However, KC and MD took on
board the request and said they will pass it on to VT.

FAB Communication over season tickets. Last year’s issue with the lack of discussion and
communication on ticket prices, by giving us one hour notice, was extremely poor.

The club apologised and said all future season ticket prices would be discussed well in
advance with the FAB

FAB asked if the current 125 badge would stay on permanently given how well it was received
by fans.

KC confirmed it was a one off for the 125 season and the club is reverting to the club
crest.

FAB requested the minutes of the meeting could be released to the fans quicker.

PJ advised the process with the minutes had to be followed to ensure accuracy. MD and KC
acknowledged the previous length of delays were unacceptable and agreed that this process
needed to be quicker.

FAB Asked if the clubs strategic pillar of signing younger players with a future re sale value is
still in place following relegation?

KC responded that this was still very much the case
10 Presentation 125 award (James Askey)
JA presented the work that had gone into the 125 campaign this season, there were so many
positives that had come out of it especially the players visiting fans, the fan stories and
experiences, the lighting up of Cardiff Castle, the murals around the stadium and the Bluebird
double decker that will still be in use next season. There will also be a legacy due to the

£125,000 pledge to the Community Foundation with fund raising ongoing already passing 80%
of the target with a few months left to go.

FAB Thanked JA for his hard work, to which he acknowledged it as being a team effort.

Meeting was closed at 8 pm.

The board promise to get the minutes out to fans quicker then take 11 days to do it

Can’t see anything from this meeting that’s going to make things better in the future, it all basically empty promises we have heard many times before

We won’t actively sell players unless we get an offer or players want to move…so basically yes we could potentially sell numerous players then!!

It all so depressing at the moment and this isn’t going to help season ticket sales

The board promise to get the minutes out to fans quicker then take 11 days to do it

Can’t see anything from this meeting that’s going to make things better in the future, it all basically empty promises we have heard many times before

We won’t actively sell players unless we get an offer or players want to move…so basically yes we could potentially sell numerous players then!!

It all so depressing at the moment and this isn’t going to help season ticket sales

Totally agree, spot on.

I think my favourite bit is Dalman saying he trusts Borley's football knowledge

Nothing happens without Tans say so & him okaying it so ANY manager we get in is still going to have to do things & sign players at the behest of him making whoever we get in unable to make any real tough decisions & will start out being a yes man or won't make it past the first game. Like them or loather them, it won't make a difference.

That sums up what I got out of it, sorry to be so negative.

Nothing inspiring or positive from these minutes. MD, KC and SB basically saying they have enough ball knowledge is laughable. And despite their recommendations, they will be bypassed by VT anyway who hasn't got a clue.

Nothing wrong on what they said but doesn't matter what they think tan makes the decisions and time will tell if he's learned anything from his disastrous riza manager appointment...can't believe them but live in hope.

What a pile of sh*t that read was. Not one hard, honest, direct question to the board was asked (eg - why did you allow this shambles to happen) and not one apology or responsibility for the disaster from our board given. PATHETIC.

What a pile of sh*t that read was. Not one hard, honest, direct question to the board was asked (eg - why did you allow this shambles to happen) and not one apology or responsibility for the disaster from our board given. PATHETIC.

Do you need it in writing why we were relegated?? And Can't see dalman choo apologising for tans stupidity can you?

All the mess we are in and this shower asked about the club badge unbelievable.
Not one positive question asked.

It's a glorified focus group.

Nobody there has any authority.

It's pointless.

The most disappointing bit from that is confirmation of the badge 99.9% of us prefer was a relegation season special

All the mess we are in and this shower asked about the club badge, unbelievable.
Not one positive question asked.

The board has no authority, its a pointless exercise. Good on those volunteers who wasted their time on this

All pretty generic tbh, nothing surprising in that apart from going back to the wormy badge..hey ho Uppa City

What a pile of sh*t that read was. Not one hard, honest, direct question to the board was asked (eg - why did you allow this shambles to happen) and not one apology or responsibility for the disaster from our board given. PATHETIC.

Do you need it in writing why we were relegated?? And Can't see dalman choo apologising for tans stupidity can you?

Common courtesy comes to mind. You'd think that Dalman or Choo (or both) would start the meeting by saying that the three fraudsters were totally sorry for what happend. (even if they didn't mean it) I read the statement Carlisle put out to their fans the day after they got relegated and it sounded genuine, we get nothing. I certainly don't need to be told why we got relegated as i posted on here before Riza got the job that if it's him, we will go down.

The repetitive cycle just keeps on spinning. Nothing new here, despite any changes ultimately its the dictator with dreadful football knowledge who makes the calls. And the badge FFS

Where was the review 2 years ago when we were technically relegated, that review alone should tell you big changes needed to be made otherwise the same thing would happen again

And it did

Bottom of the league

Absolutely clueless

And nothing else matters other than TAN OUT

The repetitive cycle just keeps on spinning. Nothing new here, despite any changes ultimately its the dictator with dreadful football knowledge who makes the calls. And the badge FFS

Where was the review 2 years ago when we were technically relegated, that review alone should tell you big changes needed to be made otherwise the same thing would happen again

And it did

Bottom of the league

Absolutely clueless

And nothing else matters other than TAN OUT

Good post, that's how i see it.

Looks like it’s been censored for the clubs own narrative!!

It’s about time the FAB recorded the meeting and released the audio for fans to
Listen to it

What a pile of sh*t that read was. Not one hard, honest, direct question to the board was asked (eg - why did you allow this shambles to happen) and not one apology or responsibility for the disaster from our board given. PATHETIC.

Do you need it in writing why we were relegated?? And Can't see dalman choo apologising for tans stupidity can you?

Common courtesy comes to mind. You'd think that Dalman or Choo (or both) would start the meeting by saying that the three fraudsters were totally sorry for what happend. (even if they didn't mean it) I read the statement Carlisle put out to their fans the day after they got relegated and it sounded genuine, we get nothing. I certainly don't need to be told why we got relegated as i posted on here before Riza got the job that if it's him, we will go down.

Like said did you expect them to apologise for tan? As we know tan made the decision on riza so
Any apology from choo dalman would be an attack on tans decision making! Malaysian culture is totally pposite to Carlisle owners... yes tan should have apologised but I wasn't expecting him to do so but that's me!

What a f cking joke

Tans puppets

Very disappointed that the club are reverting to the badge with non related Asian Dragon. Bets part of the kit was the badge this season

Literally must say the same stuff in every meeting what a pile of shit

From the whole list of answers, there’s a small section that I desperately hope is true.. That City are willing to pay out a club for a new manager. The timing of when we expect to announce a new manager looks from the outside to be timed with the play offs, which still leaves hopes that it could be Jones if they didn’t get promotion. That being said, being hopeful of anything with this board leaves you deflated eventually, it’s more likely the announcement will be timed with the boards lunch break from their other jobs.

Reality is, and has always been...we have a dictator as a owner.

Absolutely nothing is going to change until he sells and gets out of our club.

We can moan, protest, have meetings with whoever within the club but until Tan goes, absolutely nothing will change.

We are where we are, reniew season ticket or not and then get on with our lives.....don't sweat on what you can't change !