Will he SELL next season

The decision as to whether Tan will sell the club or not next season is an interesting one and a question which divides many supporters.

I obviously have no inside knowledge and my view is entirely speculation but for me I think he will sell.

The reason I say that is because, in the championship, there is always the carrot of premier league football whereas in the third tier the carrot is no longer there. Significant investment will be needed to get back into the championship then significantly more to get to the Premier League. £100m maybe. That's 20-25% of Tans net worth. I just don't think he would commit to that.

Another significant development is the chsnge in Malaysian politics in the last few years. When we were in the EPL Tan often used to bring senior Malaysian politicians to the club. When one of the club photographers I recall taking a photo of Tan and then prime minister Najib Razak. However in recent years there has been a major shift in Malaysian politicians and Razak is now spending 12 years in prison and from what I read Tan appears to be on the wrong side of Malaysian politics.

The following is an interesting read. Najib as I said above is presently appealing a 12 year prison sentence

https://www.malaysia-today.net/2016/01/ ... e-chinese/

This is just one view - Let me know what you think?

Another will he sell thread. Can’t we just have these interesting and insightful posts in one thread? Be way easier to return to for future reference instead of trudging through 20 plus threads of the same subject.

The post is different to many others
In this post I introduce the ideas as to why the carrot has disappeared and also the associated subject of Malaysian politics.

I don't think this post warrants merging with others as it introduces totally new ideas

I recall that day Tan paraded the Malaysian PM in the Executive Corporate stand and it did not sit comfortable with me at all.

It felt too much Tan was trying to raise his own profile instead of CCFC. soon after he introduced the Rebrand I think and bingo I felt justified believing that.

Its interesting this PM is now serving 12 years at the expense of his people. As soon as we get rid of Tan we can leave this nightmare behind.

The post is different to many others
In this post I introduce the ideas as to why the carrot has disappeared and also the associated subject of Malaysian politics.

I don't think this post warrants merging with others as it introduces totally new ideas

I’m not criticising the post far from in. What I’m saying if I needed to refer to it again it’s difficult to find in all the “selling threads”. It’s still a Tan selling thread which I think would benefit from being in one place.

Ian I totally agree with you and, over the last few days, my autistic investigative triggers have caused me to look into this further.

I started by putting the words "Najib Razak Vincent Tan" into Google and started to come up with some alarming connections and articles.

Several of those articles used the words "Nepotism" and "Cronyism" and some referred to businesses being sold cheaply, or over priced, along with the words embezzlement and corruption.

There was significant mention of the 1 Malaysia Development Berhad scandal which is heavily covered by the article at:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1Malaysia_Development_Berhad_scandal

In the article it refers to 1Malaysia ("1MDB") as being one of the worlds greatest financial scandals.

Some supporters will recall, around 2013, the club were heavily involved with 1Malaysia, Their logo was constantly advertised around the stadium. They sponsored our kits and the club was involved in some grassroots football in Malaysia itself.

Najib Razak appears to have been the main profile behind 1Malaysia and articles mentioning the words embezzlement and corruption appear to be connected to him. He is presently appealing a 12 year prison sentence. Supporter will recall Najib Razak as the Prime Minister at the time of MH370

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/24/mh370-lost-southern-indian-ocean-malaysian-pm

There is also reference to Vincent Tan in the Wikileaks article at

https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/07KUALALUMPUR1446_a.html

Here is the ChatGPt request I made: https://chatgpt.com/share/681730ff-b29c-8007-800a-e4f2ad76da25

Now I am not suggesting that Vincent Tan has done anything wrong but there are clearly connections with people who who have and there are articles that are suggesting that Vincent Tan was allowed to buy a £120m company (675m ringits) for £4m (25m ringits) with the assistance of Najib Razak.

And in the spirit of over or under valuing £200m is the value being asked to purchase Cardiff City.

Think this season coming is pivotal in what he does? I cannot believe he can sustain club being in div 1 longer than this season otherwise his financial input could become unsustainable for him... First question is how does he fill the immediate £15m (Minimum) shortfall relegation cost club? cost cutting is not enough as going to far risks relegation again!

Think this season coming is pivotal in what he does? I cannot believe he can sustain club being in div 1 longer than this season otherwise his financial input could become unsustainable for him... First question is how does he fill the immediate £15m (Minimum) shortfall relegation cost club? cost cutting is not enough as going to far risks relegation again!

Golly it gets worse.

I think we will see the end of him sooner than later.

Think this season coming is pivotal in what he does? I cannot believe he can sustain club being in div 1 longer than this season otherwise his financial input could become unsustainable for him... First question is how does he fill the immediate £15m (Minimum) shortfall relegation cost club? cost cutting is not enough as going to far risks relegation again!

Golly it gets worse.

I think we will see the end of him sooner than later.

I think so to....this relegation will really hurt him financially not getting promotion this coming season will be a season to far for him I feel ... he will cut a deal enabling him to get back his investment in some form

The post is different to many others
In this post I introduce the ideas as to why the carrot has disappeared and also the associated subject of Malaysian politics.

I don't think this post warrants merging with others as it introduces totally new ideas

Spot on, Paul. There's a huge difference between your thread and many others that simply regurgitate previously discussed topics

Your OP is very interesting and I can see how it could be a big possibility; particularly the insightful comment about VT's standing within the political corridors of Malaysia

My own view is that it's difficult to tell what he will do next but his time here is now surely limited, as it will take a big effort (financially enthusiastically) to even get us back to where we were before he arrived

Time will tell but we live in hope!

As a side note ...experts say Wrexham worth £150m?
Just because goy Hollywood connections

Chris. It was a case of the more I looked the more concerning stuff I was reading. That is why I posted each of the links so that others could do likewise and form their own opinions.

I suspect there are not many EFL owners with their names splattered all over Wikileaks !!!

For me it seems we have been kicked around like a football since he bought the club. Najib Razak was both the Prime Minister and person behind the 1 Malaysia Development and we bought into that project with open arms. Placing 1Malaysia on all the sponsorship boards and as our shirt sponsor. We even setup a grassroots scheme in its name. Then we paraded Mr Razak around this pitch, at a Premier League match, to win his support. The support of a man who is now about to serve a 12 year prison sentence for embezzlement and corruption.

The question I have is why would our club want to associate itself with such a person?

In the articles there does appear to be many businesses being allowed to be purchased for much less than they are worth, or more confusing, for more than they are worth. And this only poses the question as too why we are being valued at £200m.

And then there is the change in the Malaysian Political landscape which appears to mirror the lack of investment in our club,

I just wonder whether there is a much bigger picture in the background.

Chris. It was a case of the more I looked the more concerning stuff I was reading. That is why I posted each of the links so that others could do likewise and form their own opinions.

I suspect there are not many EFL owners with their names splattered all over Wikileaks !!!

For me it seems we have been kicked around like a football since he bought the club. Najib Razak was both the Prime Minister and person behind the 1 Malaysia Development and we bought into that project with open arms. Placing 1Malaysia on all the sponsorship boards and as our shirt sponsor. We even setup a grassroots scheme in its name. Then we paraded Mr Razak around this pitch, at a Premier League match, to win his support. The support of a man who is now about to serve a 12 year prison sentence for embezzlement and corruption.

The question I have is why would our club want to associate itself with such a person?

In the articles there does appear to be many businesses being allowed to be purchased for much less than they are worth, or more confusing, for more than they are worth. And this only poses the question as too why we are being valued at £200m.

And then there is the change in the Malaysian Political landscape which appears to mirror the lack of investment in our club,

I just wonder whether there is a much bigger picture in the background.

Paul there is always more in background than us fans know about! You got to question why does he continue to suffer losses when he could simply sell and get most of his money back? What's keeping him here is there a connection in what you've posted?

I recall that day Tan paraded the Malaysian PM in the Executive Corporate stand and it did not sit comfortable with me at all.

It felt too much Tan was trying to raise his own profile instead of CCFC. soon after he introduced the Rebrand I think and bingo I felt justified believing that.

Its interesting this PM is now serving 12 years at the expense of his people. As soon as we get rid of Tan we can leave this nightmare behind.

Those first two paragraphs have given me a big flashback as I felt and feared the same. I sadly sense there a bigger things occupying Tans headspace than Cardiff City and his other clubs. Until match day that is. Even those Tan fence sitters and appraisers on the coach back from Norwich yesterday were saying they have had enough of him (just worried about the implications of him leaving) fan divisions and factions the worst of Tans legacy’s.

It's also important to remember that Tan made his first significant wealth when the Malaysian national lottery was "privatised" and was subject to a limited "sealed bid" which he won. The Malaysian PM at the time was heavily involved in this and it's also on record that Tan very much walked the corridors of power during and after this.

The present accounts (not last year's) will also show that Tan has spent nearer £300M on the club after exceptions and write offs, which represents over 50% of his entire net worth, so significant.

To put it in perspective, that is the equivalent budget for three attempts of achieving and sustaining PL football status.

This is very relevant and the more you scratch the surface the more you uncover and the more questions there are to ask.

So a very relevant question here from GrangeEndStar - Why would someone invest £300m, half their net worth, into a football club knowing that it is very unlikely he will get it back. Or is CCFC a vehicle for some other activity?

This is very relevant and the more you scratch the surface the more you uncover and the more questions there are to ask.

So a very relevant question here from GrangeEndStar - Why would someone invest £300m, half their net worth, into a football club knowing that it is very unlikely he will get it back. Or is CCFC a vehicle for some other activity?

Money laundering?

Talk about wild conspiracy theories, money laundering indeed.

Talk about wild conspiracy theories, money laundering indeed.

You wouldn't put it past Tan, Malaysia is a very corrupt country and he bulit his wealth through his relationship with people in high places.

I can easily see him having a influence in the criminal underworld over there.

Rhydog & Andrew. No - I didn't say that at all - that's jumping to conclusions.

I am simply saying the same as others say here - something is not right about this.

I think most people recognise me on here as someone who is a sensible poster. I don't ask everyone to agree with me. I post "thought-provoking" topics which attract conversation from supporters.

I do think there is more to Tans' involvement with football than meets the eye, but I am not sure what that is.

But yes, I do have a vivid imagination

Has anyone had a look at the Wikileaks article at https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/07KUALALUMPUR1446_a.html

Vincent Tan is named in 3 places.

I am not saying he has done anything wrong, but he does appear to mix with some problematic people

Paul this is such an interesting post , and maybe just hopefully maybe he will sell this summer , why would he want to keep chucking his money into club when it’s just getting worse and worse .
I’m praying he sells ASAP for the sanity of this club and supporters

Has anyone had a look at the Wikileaks article at https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/07KUALALUMPUR1446_a.html

Vincent Tan is named in 3 places.

I am not saying he has done anything wrong, but he does appear to mix with some problematic people

I have no doubt he mixes with some dodgy people as I don't think anyone gets rich (unless inherited) without mixing in those circles, some a lot more than others.

Nobody gets where Tan has got to without bending the rules, that's just a fact.

And his importance in Malaysia is very high. That's why he's able to mix with politicians.

But what's also the case is Malaysia isn't the UK or Europe, it is extremely different and that's why Tan doesn't understand this club.



But back to the question. I don't believe he'll sell us within the next year.

I thought it was doubtful that he'd sell us in the Championship, so I think it's almost impossible he'll sell us in League One. He just won't get anywhere near what he wants.

If he's waiting for the Sala case to end, it'll be a long wait for all of us.

I know there's some progress expected to be made later this year but in reality, it won't be concluded properly for at least another two years.

Nobody gets where Tan has got to without bending the rules, that's just a fact.

And his importance in Malaysia is very high. That's why he's able to mix with politicians.

But what's also the case is Malaysia isn't the UK or Europe, it is extremely different and that's why Tan doesn't understand this club.



But back to the question. I don't believe he'll sell us within the next year.

I thought it was doubtful that he'd sell us in the Championship, so I think it's almost impossible he'll sell us in League One. He just won't get anywhere near what he wants.

If he's waiting for the Sala case to end, it'll be a long wait for all of us.

I know there's some progress expected to be made later this year but in reality, it won't be concluded properly for at least another two years.

Can he sustain the losses if we don't get promotion? This season its £15m+ drop in income ...no promotion and he's got same losses to sustain may sell players of value this season but that will make promotion harder! Will he have no choice given dalmans £30m investment to furnish?

Chris. It was a case of the more I looked the more concerning stuff I was reading. That is why I posted each of the links so that others could do likewise and form their own opinions.

I suspect there are not many EFL owners with their names splattered all over Wikileaks !!!

For me it seems we have been kicked around like a football since he bought the club. Najib Razak was both the Prime Minister and person behind the 1 Malaysia Development and we bought into that project with open arms. Placing 1Malaysia on all the sponsorship boards and as our shirt sponsor. We even setup a grassroots scheme in its name. Then we paraded Mr Razak around this pitch, at a Premier League match, to win his support. The support of a man who is now about to serve a 12 year prison sentence for embezzlement and corruption.

The question I have is why would our club want to associate itself with such a person?

In the articles there does appear to be many businesses being allowed to be purchased for much less than they are worth, or more confusing, for more than they are worth. And this only poses the question as too why we are being valued at £200m.

And then there is the change in the Malaysian Political landscape which appears to mirror the lack of investment in our club,

I just wonder whether there is a much bigger picture in the background.

Paul, the talk of 'cronyism' in Malaysian politics isn't new and it seems people who get a hand up are then in hoc for those helped them

I always read your comments with interest and there are certainly more questions than answers right now!

Talk about wild conspiracy theories, money laundering indeed.

You only have to look who the poster is, to be fair

I have considered that the loans are made from one Tan entity to CCFC Holdings. These loans are provided for in the corporate accounts, and as they are in the liabilities column, they lower the corporate tax burden.
I have no insight, purely guessing, but the big boys play by different rules than the Joe Bloggs of the world.

Also, I have spent the last few months with various retirement planners and realise that the transfer of wealth to my children takes decades, so Tans diminishing wealth is hardly surprising

Who has the right to value a product? Only the buyer IMO, whether that's £80 mill or £200 mill is up to the buyer and seller to settle on a price.

I do not understand high finance, but one surprising fact is that Abramovich roughly broke even after all those years of Chelsea's excess. I believe Tan will sell when it suits him and doesn't give a rats arse about the footballs side, protests or bad publicity.