Thu May 01, 2025 9:24 pm
Thu May 01, 2025 9:38 pm
Thu May 01, 2025 10:33 pm
worcester_ccfc wrote:That's the issue.
A Director of Football or Sporting Director would have to be able to work without interference, difficult to see Tan allowing that.
I know for a fact that Dalman has wanted there to be one for a while but Tan continues to say no, probably because he thinks he's a football genius.
Thu May 01, 2025 11:03 pm
Thu May 01, 2025 11:17 pm
pembroke allan wrote:worcester_ccfc wrote:That's the issue.
A Director of Football or Sporting Director would have to be able to work without interference, difficult to see Tan allowing that.
I know for a fact that Dalman has wanted there to be one for a while but Tan continues to say no, probably because he thinks he's a football genius.
Said for awhile now in city's case DOF won't work as been said to much interference from Tan... so far more important is a strong coaching team either like warnocks or decent coach with good assistants like rambo gunter as example ... problem got now is by time find one probably be to late to be of use this coming season....just got to prey dalmans got more of a say after tans disastrous riza experiment otherwise could be in for a long season and a short manager appointment?
Fri May 02, 2025 9:49 am
worcester_ccfc wrote:pembroke allan wrote:worcester_ccfc wrote:That's the issue.
A Director of Football or Sporting Director would have to be able to work without interference, difficult to see Tan allowing that.
I know for a fact that Dalman has wanted there to be one for a while but Tan continues to say no, probably because he thinks he's a football genius.
Said for awhile now in city's case DOF won't work as been said to much interference from Tan... so far more important is a strong coaching team either like warnocks or decent coach with good assistants like rambo gunter as example ... problem got now is by time find one probably be to late to be of use this coming season....just got to prey dalmans got more of a say after tans disastrous riza experiment otherwise could be in for a long season and a short manager appointment?
Allan, I have my issues with Dalman but I'd much rather he pick the next manager than Tan. He got Ole wrong and people didn't like Bulut's style, but at least Bulut was competent compared to some of Tan's picks.
Fri May 02, 2025 10:07 am
pembroke allan wrote:worcester_ccfc wrote:pembroke allan wrote:worcester_ccfc wrote:That's the issue.
A Director of Football or Sporting Director would have to be able to work without interference, difficult to see Tan allowing that.
I know for a fact that Dalman has wanted there to be one for a while but Tan continues to say no, probably because he thinks he's a football genius.
Said for awhile now in city's case DOF won't work as been said to much interference from Tan... so far more important is a strong coaching team either like warnocks or decent coach with good assistants like rambo gunter as example ... problem got now is by time find one probably be to late to be of use this coming season....just got to prey dalmans got more of a say after tans disastrous riza experiment otherwise could be in for a long season and a short manager appointment?
Allan, I have my issues with Dalman but I'd much rather he pick the next manager than Tan. He got Ole wrong and people didn't like Bulut's style, but at least Bulut was competent compared to some of Tan's picks.
Agree ned if got to put up with the trio Dalman is lesser of two evils....the other thing was Dalmans choice constrained by Tan in any way? Be interesting to have seen dalmans reaction to Tan keeping riza despite appalling record that's cost him recouping his money possibly for years! Despite people's dislike of Dalman he does know the score regarding manager and clubs shame he can't get tan to understand how football works.
Fri May 02, 2025 10:09 am
Fri May 02, 2025 10:29 am
Fri May 02, 2025 10:38 am
SB 1927 wrote:I'd put anyone in recruitment over the last 5 years as a risk and shouldn't be anywhere near the next recruitment.
Which is double edged, as for me, a DOF is the more important than our next manager.
Trends show that our next manager will be here around 9 months. In the last few manager cycles, we've changed playing styles significantly and recruited ad-hoc. A DOF needs to be the constant, with the vision and if managers (or head coaches) are going to definitely turnover based on history, at least the managers style of play/attributes match.
Looking back, it's been bonkers. I'd say our last 8 managers back to Warnock have all had significant different ideas on how we'd play. If that's turning over on an average of 9 months, then our squad aren't likely to have the ability to adapt, are they?
We're screaming out for an identity; which to me (opinion of course) is the Dave Jones era style of play; however you want to label that.
Fri May 02, 2025 10:43 am
pembroke allan wrote:SB 1927 wrote:I'd put anyone in recruitment over the last 5 years as a risk and shouldn't be anywhere near the next recruitment.
Which is double edged, as for me, a DOF is the more important than our next manager.
Trends show that our next manager will be here around 9 months. In the last few manager cycles, we've changed playing styles significantly and recruited ad-hoc. A DOF needs to be the constant, with the vision and if managers (or head coaches) are going to definitely turnover based on history, at least the managers style of play/attributes match.
Looking back, it's been bonkers. I'd say our last 8 managers back to Warnock have all had significant different ideas on how we'd play. If that's turning over on an average of 9 months, then our squad aren't likely to have the ability to adapt, are they?
We're screaming out for an identity; which to me (opinion of course) is the Dave Jones era style of play; however you want to label that.
The average time in job expectancy of a championship manager is 9mnths!! When bulut was sacked he was 3rd longest manager in championship at about 18mnths .... to me that says owners and fans are problem? Its called impatience will a DOF solve that problem doubt it as I've said life expectation of dof is not long either and can be expensive mistake as Leicester have found out.
Fri May 02, 2025 10:51 am
pembroke allan wrote:SB 1927 wrote:I'd put anyone in recruitment over the last 5 years as a risk and shouldn't be anywhere near the next recruitment.
Which is double edged, as for me, a DOF is the more important than our next manager.
Trends show that our next manager will be here around 9 months. In the last few manager cycles, we've changed playing styles significantly and recruited ad-hoc. A DOF needs to be the constant, with the vision and if managers (or head coaches) are going to definitely turnover based on history, at least the managers style of play/attributes match.
Looking back, it's been bonkers. I'd say our last 8 managers back to Warnock have all had significant different ideas on how we'd play. If that's turning over on an average of 9 months, then our squad aren't likely to have the ability to adapt, are they?
We're screaming out for an identity; which to me (opinion of course) is the Dave Jones era style of play; however you want to label that.
The average time in job expectancy of a championship manager is 9mnths!! When bulut was sacked he was 3rd longest manager in championship at about 18mnths .... to me that says owners and fans are problem? Its called impatience will a DOF solve that problem doubt it as I've said life expectation of dof is not long either and can be expensive mistake as Leicester have found out.
Fri May 02, 2025 10:55 am
Roath_Blue wrote:pembroke allan wrote:SB 1927 wrote:I'd put anyone in recruitment over the last 5 years as a risk and shouldn't be anywhere near the next recruitment.
Which is double edged, as for me, a DOF is the more important than our next manager.
Trends show that our next manager will be here around 9 months. In the last few manager cycles, we've changed playing styles significantly and recruited ad-hoc. A DOF needs to be the constant, with the vision and if managers (or head coaches) are going to definitely turnover based on history, at least the managers style of play/attributes match.
Looking back, it's been bonkers. I'd say our last 8 managers back to Warnock have all had significant different ideas on how we'd play. If that's turning over on an average of 9 months, then our squad aren't likely to have the ability to adapt, are they?
We're screaming out for an identity; which to me (opinion of course) is the Dave Jones era style of play; however you want to label that.
The average time in job expectancy of a championship manager is 9mnths!! When bulut was sacked he was 3rd longest manager in championship at about 18mnths .... to me that says owners and fans are problem? Its called impatience will a DOF solve that problem doubt it as I've said life expectation of dof is not long either and can be expensive mistake as Leicester have found out.
Allan, agree that they don’t all work out, but as with anything, sometimes it doesn’t work out.
There are many more examples though of clubs succeeding with a DoF than there are clubs failing with a DoF.
Also I’m not too sure that the Leicester situation is a fair reflection - a newly promoted side when we know the gap between Premier League and Championship is getting bigger and it’s harder to stay up.
My concern is who Tan will appoint as manager this time around. We already know that Tans past escapades in recruitment haven’t been good, he even brought in his sons friend as our ‘head of recruitment’ - how can we trust that he will bring in a ‘strong manager’?
Fri May 02, 2025 11:04 am