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DOF - My concern

Thu May 01, 2025 9:24 pm

Before I state my concern I just want to say that in my opinion our Club need a DOF probably more than most due to the non footballing board of directors.

Yes they have been around in football for 10 or 12 years or so, but mainly in a financial/commercial capacity.

I bet the FD or even CEO of Tesco, Sainsbury’s or M&S couldn’t run one of their stores and be as successful as any of thier employed store managers are, not a chance.

And here lies my issue if Tan agreed to appoint a DOF, it simply wouldn’t work due to Tan’s meddling, the relationship between Tan & the DOF would fall apart within weeks once the DOF pushed back, or suggested we were doing something wrong.

I hope I’m wrong and whilst I still cant see Tan appointing one anyway, I would love it he done a U Turn and at least tried one.

Re: DOF - My concern

Thu May 01, 2025 9:38 pm

That's the issue.

A Director of Football or Sporting Director would have to be able to work without interference, difficult to see Tan allowing that.

I know for a fact that Dalman has wanted there to be one for a while but Tan continues to say no, probably because he thinks he's a football genius.

Re: DOF - My concern

Thu May 01, 2025 10:33 pm

worcester_ccfc wrote:That's the issue.

A Director of Football or Sporting Director would have to be able to work without interference, difficult to see Tan allowing that.

I know for a fact that Dalman has wanted there to be one for a while but Tan continues to say no, probably because he thinks he's a football genius.



Said for awhile now in city's case DOF won't work as been said to much interference from Tan... so far more important is a strong coaching team either like warnocks or decent coach with good assistants like rambo gunter as example ... problem got now is by time find one probably be to late to be of use this coming season....just got to prey dalmans got more of a say after tans disastrous riza experiment otherwise could be in for a long season and a short manager appointment?

Re: DOF - My concern

Thu May 01, 2025 11:03 pm

We had none of these problems when TG was here ;)

Re: DOF - My concern

Thu May 01, 2025 11:17 pm

pembroke allan wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:That's the issue.

A Director of Football or Sporting Director would have to be able to work without interference, difficult to see Tan allowing that.

I know for a fact that Dalman has wanted there to be one for a while but Tan continues to say no, probably because he thinks he's a football genius.



Said for awhile now in city's case DOF won't work as been said to much interference from Tan... so far more important is a strong coaching team either like warnocks or decent coach with good assistants like rambo gunter as example ... problem got now is by time find one probably be to late to be of use this coming season....just got to prey dalmans got more of a say after tans disastrous riza experiment otherwise could be in for a long season and a short manager appointment?


Allan, I have my issues with Dalman but I'd much rather he pick the next manager than Tan. He got Ole wrong and people didn't like Bulut's style, but at least Bulut was competent compared to some of Tan's picks.

Re: DOF - My concern

Fri May 02, 2025 9:49 am

worcester_ccfc wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:That's the issue.

A Director of Football or Sporting Director would have to be able to work without interference, difficult to see Tan allowing that.

I know for a fact that Dalman has wanted there to be one for a while but Tan continues to say no, probably because he thinks he's a football genius.



Said for awhile now in city's case DOF won't work as been said to much interference from Tan... so far more important is a strong coaching team either like warnocks or decent coach with good assistants like rambo gunter as example ... problem got now is by time find one probably be to late to be of use this coming season....just got to prey dalmans got more of a say after tans disastrous riza experiment otherwise could be in for a long season and a short manager appointment?


Allan, I have my issues with Dalman but I'd much rather he pick the next manager than Tan. He got Ole wrong and people didn't like Bulut's style, but at least Bulut was competent compared to some of Tan's picks.



Agree ned if got to put up with the trio Dalman is lesser of two evils....the other thing was Dalmans choice constrained by Tan in any way? Be interesting to have seen dalmans reaction to Tan keeping riza despite appalling record that's cost him recouping his money possibly for years! Despite people's dislike of Dalman he does know the score regarding manager and clubs shame he can't get tan to understand how football works.

Re: DOF - My concern

Fri May 02, 2025 10:07 am

pembroke allan wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
worcester_ccfc wrote:That's the issue.

A Director of Football or Sporting Director would have to be able to work without interference, difficult to see Tan allowing that.

I know for a fact that Dalman has wanted there to be one for a while but Tan continues to say no, probably because he thinks he's a football genius.



Said for awhile now in city's case DOF won't work as been said to much interference from Tan... so far more important is a strong coaching team either like warnocks or decent coach with good assistants like rambo gunter as example ... problem got now is by time find one probably be to late to be of use this coming season....just got to prey dalmans got more of a say after tans disastrous riza experiment otherwise could be in for a long season and a short manager appointment?


Allan, I have my issues with Dalman but I'd much rather he pick the next manager than Tan. He got Ole wrong and people didn't like Bulut's style, but at least Bulut was competent compared to some of Tan's picks.



Agree ned if got to put up with the trio Dalman is lesser of two evils....the other thing was Dalmans choice constrained by Tan in any way? Be interesting to have seen dalmans reaction to Tan keeping riza despite appalling record that's cost him recouping his money possibly for years! Despite people's dislike of Dalman he does know the score regarding manager and clubs shame he can't get tan to understand how football works.


I’m one of Dalman’s biggest critics and often call him the politician or spin doctor, and i cannot forgive him for having the brass neck to admit to fans that he doesn’t give us 100% and then after that admission does exactly the same or arguably less. However, as you say of the two evils i would prefer Dalman over Tan, because Tan is (probably reluctantly) willing or can afford to use his own personal money, Dalman is a banker and will get investment in, and ultimately to do that he has to plan better for success.

I get that bringing in investment can bring another host of problems but that a different point for another day.

Re: DOF - My concern

Fri May 02, 2025 10:09 am

Agree that Dalman is the lesser of 2 evils but ge only came into football when he brokered the Glasiers buying Man.u. He is essentially a money man who recognises his Limited football experience hence his desire for a Dof.

Re: DOF - My concern

Fri May 02, 2025 10:29 am

I'd put anyone in recruitment over the last 5 years as a risk and shouldn't be anywhere near the next recruitment.

Which is double edged, as for me, a DOF is the more important than our next manager.

Trends show that our next manager will be here around 9 months. In the last few manager cycles, we've changed playing styles significantly and recruited ad-hoc. A DOF needs to be the constant, with the vision and if managers (or head coaches) are going to definitely turnover based on history, at least the managers style of play/attributes match.

Looking back, it's been bonkers. I'd say our last 8 managers back to Warnock have all had significant different ideas on how we'd play. If that's turning over on an average of 9 months, then our squad aren't likely to have the ability to adapt, are they?

We're screaming out for an identity; which to me (opinion of course) is the Dave Jones era style of play; however you want to label that.

Re: DOF - My concern

Fri May 02, 2025 10:38 am

SB 1927 wrote:I'd put anyone in recruitment over the last 5 years as a risk and shouldn't be anywhere near the next recruitment.

Which is double edged, as for me, a DOF is the more important than our next manager.

Trends show that our next manager will be here around 9 months. In the last few manager cycles, we've changed playing styles significantly and recruited ad-hoc. A DOF needs to be the constant, with the vision and if managers (or head coaches) are going to definitely turnover based on history, at least the managers style of play/attributes match.

Looking back, it's been bonkers. I'd say our last 8 managers back to Warnock have all had significant different ideas on how we'd play. If that's turning over on an average of 9 months, then our squad aren't likely to have the ability to adapt, are they?

We're screaming out for an identity; which to me (opinion of course) is the Dave Jones era style of play; however you want to label that.



The average time in job expectancy of a championship manager is 9mnths!! When bulut was sacked he was 3rd longest manager in championship at about 18mnths .... to me that says owners and fans are problem? Its called impatience will a DOF solve that problem doubt it as I've said life expectation of dof is not long either and can be expensive mistake as Leicester have found out. :o

Re: DOF - My concern

Fri May 02, 2025 10:43 am

pembroke allan wrote:
SB 1927 wrote:I'd put anyone in recruitment over the last 5 years as a risk and shouldn't be anywhere near the next recruitment.

Which is double edged, as for me, a DOF is the more important than our next manager.

Trends show that our next manager will be here around 9 months. In the last few manager cycles, we've changed playing styles significantly and recruited ad-hoc. A DOF needs to be the constant, with the vision and if managers (or head coaches) are going to definitely turnover based on history, at least the managers style of play/attributes match.

Looking back, it's been bonkers. I'd say our last 8 managers back to Warnock have all had significant different ideas on how we'd play. If that's turning over on an average of 9 months, then our squad aren't likely to have the ability to adapt, are they?

We're screaming out for an identity; which to me (opinion of course) is the Dave Jones era style of play; however you want to label that.



The average time in job expectancy of a championship manager is 9mnths!! When bulut was sacked he was 3rd longest manager in championship at about 18mnths .... to me that says owners and fans are problem? Its called impatience will a DOF solve that problem doubt it as I've said life expectation of dof is not long either and can be expensive mistake as Leicester have found out. :o


Allan, agree that they don’t all work out, but as with anything, sometimes it doesn’t work out.

There are many more examples though of clubs succeeding with a DoF than there are clubs failing with a DoF.

Also I’m not too sure that the Leicester situation is a fair reflection - a newly promoted side when we know the gap between Premier League and Championship is getting bigger and it’s harder to stay up.

My concern is who Tan will appoint as manager this time around. We already know that Tans past escapades in recruitment haven’t been good, he even brought in his sons friend as our ‘head of recruitment’ - how can we trust that he will bring in a ‘strong manager’?

Re: DOF - My concern

Fri May 02, 2025 10:51 am

pembroke allan wrote:
SB 1927 wrote:I'd put anyone in recruitment over the last 5 years as a risk and shouldn't be anywhere near the next recruitment.

Which is double edged, as for me, a DOF is the more important than our next manager.

Trends show that our next manager will be here around 9 months. In the last few manager cycles, we've changed playing styles significantly and recruited ad-hoc. A DOF needs to be the constant, with the vision and if managers (or head coaches) are going to definitely turnover based on history, at least the managers style of play/attributes match.

Looking back, it's been bonkers. I'd say our last 8 managers back to Warnock have all had significant different ideas on how we'd play. If that's turning over on an average of 9 months, then our squad aren't likely to have the ability to adapt, are they?

We're screaming out for an identity; which to me (opinion of course) is the Dave Jones era style of play; however you want to label that.



The average time in job expectancy of a championship manager is 9mnths!! When bulut was sacked he was 3rd longest manager in championship at about 18mnths .... to me that says owners and fans are problem? Its called impatience will a DOF solve that problem doubt it as I've said life expectation of dof is not long either and can be expensive mistake as Leicester have found out. :o


I wouldn't say it's the fans problem; but the data is consistent about managers leaving. If you're not top 6 in the championship by December, you're job is at risk.

Re: DOF - My concern

Fri May 02, 2025 10:55 am

Roath_Blue wrote:
pembroke allan wrote:
SB 1927 wrote:I'd put anyone in recruitment over the last 5 years as a risk and shouldn't be anywhere near the next recruitment.

Which is double edged, as for me, a DOF is the more important than our next manager.

Trends show that our next manager will be here around 9 months. In the last few manager cycles, we've changed playing styles significantly and recruited ad-hoc. A DOF needs to be the constant, with the vision and if managers (or head coaches) are going to definitely turnover based on history, at least the managers style of play/attributes match.

Looking back, it's been bonkers. I'd say our last 8 managers back to Warnock have all had significant different ideas on how we'd play. If that's turning over on an average of 9 months, then our squad aren't likely to have the ability to adapt, are they?

We're screaming out for an identity; which to me (opinion of course) is the Dave Jones era style of play; however you want to label that.



The average time in job expectancy of a championship manager is 9mnths!! When bulut was sacked he was 3rd longest manager in championship at about 18mnths .... to me that says owners and fans are problem? Its called impatience will a DOF solve that problem doubt it as I've said life expectation of dof is not long either and can be expensive mistake as Leicester have found out. :o


Allan, agree that they don’t all work out, but as with anything, sometimes it doesn’t work out.

There are many more examples though of clubs succeeding with a DoF than there are clubs failing with a DoF.

Also I’m not too sure that the Leicester situation is a fair reflection - a newly promoted side when we know the gap between Premier League and Championship is getting bigger and it’s harder to stay up.

My concern is who Tan will appoint as manager this time around. We already know that Tans past escapades in recruitment haven’t been good, he even brought in his sons friend as our ‘head of recruitment’ - how can we trust that he will bring in a ‘strong manager’?



Don't trust tan at all with choice either..... but in padt year there's been lot of problems with dof at clubs mainly due to owners vision changing from what dof wants for club? Leicester case was they're blaming him for getting rid cooper and bringing in van Nistelrooy.... at this present time think a good management team is better until tan departs....dof later why not never had one so who knows what could bring

Re: DOF - My concern

Fri May 02, 2025 11:04 am

Kortrijk's fans want Tan to go and they have a DoF but he's made mistakes, just as Tan has. There are more teams who are successful with this important position than are not, as it provides continuity and consistency.

Just as appointing the right manager and support staff, the selection of an effective DoF is just as critical.

But Tan is a micromanager and control freak, and a concern is how much executive control he would really give any of his staff on footballing decisions.

And all he ever had to do was to get someone in to run the football show and sit back to give him the best chance of achieving sustainable premier league football, watch the value of the club increase and then sell. It's the only chance he has of ever getting a chunk of his £266M back.

But I don't think he's going to change, leopards and spots and the madness will continue.