The Pros and Cons of 15 years of Vincent Tan

Pros and Cons of the 15 years of Vincent Tan

Heres my list, do you agree? Have I missed anything? Whats yours?

PRO'S
1 Llanrumney Academy facilities
2 Paying off Langston
3 Returning the home kit to blue
4 Second promotion season in the championship to EPL in blue (I am still on the fence with the first one as it was in red)
5 Koumas Ramsey and Bellamy returning

CONS
1 Rebranding CCFC to red and new red dragon badge with the promise of a new training ground (yet to happen)
2 A broken Promise to be debt free and left in a better position financially and with league position
3 Putting a 23 yr old Kazakh friend of his son who was on work experience in charge of recruitment
4 Ignoring advice to hire a director of football to make the football decisions and practically putting himself in the role
5 Red seats, oriental dragon on the badge and Visit Malaysia on our shirts for the 15 years
6 Dreadful hiring and delayed firing of a succession of managers, mostly cheap yes men ignoring available credible experienced candidates
7 Calling CCFC fans customers and severing all dialogue between us and himself
8 Continuing rumours of interference in team selection and tactics
9 Blocking a return for Neil Warnock in this seasons relegation fight
10 Hiring an investment banker and a car salesman as his number 2 and 3
11 Poor duty of care to a clearly struggling Omer Riza
11 Continuing decline in team investment
12 Fan experience in CCS including fans being moved or ejected for over celebrating
13 Broken promise of improved communications between club and supporters
14 Two poor seasons in the EPL
15 Hammered at home by the Jacks (Doube Doube)
16 Strikers! Cornelius Kanga Velikonja Madine Vasell Gounongbe
17 Telling goalkeepers to shoot more and defenders from their own half

Also read these two pieces

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foo ... y-25469143

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/foo ... n-29686660

How anyone can be pro Tan beggars belief.

Pros?

A league Cup final appearance
Neil Warnock appt

Cons?

Sorry, but too much to mention. Christmasnis only 8 months away!

I forgot to mention as a con - Dreadful marketing CCFC have no presence in the City centre valleys or the Vale.

Recalling about Tans sons mate who was on work experience painting walls at CCS! Tan made him head of recruitment! Then his Visa ran out!! this around the same time that David Marshall was questioned by him for his lack of goals! 15 years of madness and this our anniversary year has been one of the worst.

Pros?

A league Cup final appearance
Neil Warnock appt

Cons?

Sorry, but too much to mention. Christmasnis only 8 months away!

Yes! Forgot the League cup final Jonny! Heartbreak!

Not a Tan fan at all but feel that there has to be a fair balance on this thread.

A major pro is that debts, wages, player salaries and the taxman would all appear to be being paid on time and the very real threat of court action and worse no longer seems to be hanging over the club.

Didn't like that our first PL promotion was in red, but has to be included in the pros column - it was a promotion to the top flight after all - trying to be balanced here.

Wouldn't agree with Koumas coming back being a pro though, he wasn't the player he was and struggled at times.

Could argue the same about Ramsey, but he has had some good moments like Leicester away and the Swansea game last season.

But the majority of things are in the cons section.

The biggest for me is look how divided the fans are now compared to in 2010. I often wonder how things would be now if Tan never got involved and hadn't pushed TG out.

This for me was Tan's best moment to get in Malky and the mess started when TG left and he sacked Malky .
The only correct decision Tan made after that was to get in Warnock .

I think for me his recruitment of managers has been extremely poor overall. Under him I count (post Dave Jones who he didn't appoint).

Malky - Success
Solskjaer - Failure
Gabbidon & Young - Failure
Slade - Neither success nor failure as he did the job he came in to do.
Trollope - Failure
Warnock - Success
Harris - Under appreciated at the time so partial success.
McCarthy - Failure
Morison - Failure
Hudson - Failure
Whitehead - Failure
Lamouchi - Success (thanks to Readings point deduction).
Bulut - Failure
Riza - Failure

14 appointments in 15yrs with a (generous) 20% success rate.

So this for me (along with the rebrand) is the biggest Con, he quite simply thinks he knows best and clearly doesn't see investment in top quality managers as a priority as he most likely thinks players should be able to play under anyone which has proven to be untrue this season.

The Pros for him however is that we do seem to be financially stable despite a rough few years post Sala with embargos etc in place. He has invested in the new training facilitites etc and has occasionally splashed money on players who have proven to be flops (the main two coming from two of the successful managers - Cornelius and Madine) so it is hard to be over critical of him with regards to player recruitment.

Tans biggest Con is Tan himself. He has given us great moments in the 15years and at one time was loved. But his interference and reluctance to get shot of Dalman/Choo and appoint someone with some football knowledge has cost him and patience has run out with his stubbornness to act on this. There are far worse owners in football although right now we are all dejected so it won't feel like that. The summer will be the real test should we go down which looks likely. We need to keep players and recruit like Birmingham did (within reason) and take advantage of the lack of FFP to maybe build something.

Time will tell.

Not a Tan fan at all but feel that there has to be a fair balance on this thread.

A major pro is that debts, wages, player salaries and the taxman would all appear to be being paid on time and the very real threat of court action and worse no longer seems to be hanging over the club.

Yes how could I miss that one, totally agreed with that is massive

3 of My favourite City players returning was a huge thrill for me a massive highlight, but also dissapointing that Koumas and Ramsey didnt deliver like Bellamy did, just great to see them in City shirts again

For me I felt he was going to be failure from the start. He came lookibng to make money, mainly from getting to the Premier and for me that was the worse attitude to come to be an owner of a club.

So I struggle to see what he has given us:

1. Two visits to the Premier. One in Red which totally nullified it for me and the other under the magnificent management of Warnock unfortunately nullified by the investment factor which told us we were preparing for an immediate return to the Championship. I was disappointed with the return not because of Tan lack of investment but because Warnock came so close to pulling of the miracle.

2. No more visits from the Tax man. Sorry but we paid for that plus more through the Rebrand and now the constant reminder of it through those hideous red seats.

3. Struggling to thing of anything else good now.

another con was buying a Belgium club and telling us it would be a feeder club for City, all I can remember was Zahore who had one good season,

then buys players on cardiffs payroll just to loan them out to our "feeder club"

Pro's - Malky, Warnock, Promotion, Bellamy, cup run

Negatives - Cheap managers, anything red, that pathetic Chinese dragon, he split the fan base, Malaysian flags, stadium atmosphere/ lay out, his trousers.... he's still here

There are too many cons really for me to write them all out right now as I am in work.

I’m trying to be as balanced as I can with this post in terms of pros.

Two promotions to the premier league, regardless of the fact that one was in red. It’s still a promotion to the prem regardless.

The debt to Langston (Sam) was paid off and we are no longer in a position which we were with the tax man.

Up until the Sala disaster, we were actually giving the manager what they wanted. A lot of money was actually spent.

I think for me his recruitment of managers has been extremely poor overall. Under him I count (post Dave Jones who he didn't appoint).

Malky - Success
Solskjaer - Failure
Gabbidon & Young - Failure
Slade - Neither success nor failure as he did the job he came in to do.
Trollope - Failure
Warnock - Success
Harris - Under appreciated at the time so partial success.
McCarthy - Failure
Morison - Failure
Hudson - Failure
Whitehead - Failure
Lamouchi - Success (thanks to Readings point deduction).
Bulut - Failure
Riza - Failure

14 appointments in 15yrs with a (generous) 20% success rate.

So this for me (along with the rebrand) is the biggest Con, he quite simply thinks he knows best and clearly doesn't see investment in top quality managers as a priority as he most likely thinks players should be able to play under anyone which has proven to be untrue this season.

The Pros for him however is that we do seem to be financially stable despite a rough few years post Sala with embargos etc in place. He has invested in the new training facilitites etc and has occasionally splashed money on players who have proven to be flops (the main two coming from two of the successful managers - Cornelius and Madine) so it is hard to be over critical of him with regards to player recruitment.

Tans biggest Con is Tan himself. He has given us great moments in the 15years and at one time was loved. But his interference and reluctance to get shot of Dalman/Choo and appoint someone with some football knowledge has cost him and patience has run out with his stubbornness to act on this. There are far worse owners in football although right now we are all dejected so it won't feel like that. The summer will be the real test should we go down which looks likely. We need to keep players and recruit like Birmingham did (within reason) and take advantage of the lack of FFP to maybe build something.

Time will tell.

Virtual Spot on.

I think for me his recruitment of managers has been extremely poor overall. Under him I count (post Dave Jones who he didn't appoint).

Malky - Success
Solskjaer - Failure
Gabbidon & Young - Failure
Slade - Neither success nor failure as he did the job he came in to do.
Trollope - Failure
Warnock - Success
Harris - Under appreciated at the time so partial success.
McCarthy - Failure
Morison - Failure
Hudson - Failure
Whitehead - Failure
Lamouchi - Success (thanks to Readings point deduction).
Bulut - Failure
Riza - Failure

14 appointments in 15yrs with a (generous) 20% success rate.

So this for me (along with the rebrand) is the biggest Con, he quite simply thinks he knows best and clearly doesn't see investment in top quality managers as a priority as he most likely thinks players should be able to play under anyone which has proven to be untrue this season.

The Pros for him however is that we do seem to be financially stable despite a rough few years post Sala with embargos etc in place. He has invested in the new training facilitites etc and has occasionally splashed money on players who have proven to be flops (the main two coming from two of the successful managers - Cornelius and Madine) so it is hard to be over critical of him with regards to player recruitment.

Tans biggest Con is Tan himself. He has given us great moments in the 15years and at one time was loved. But his interference and reluctance to get shot of Dalman/Choo and appoint someone with some football knowledge has cost him and patience has run out with his stubbornness to act on this. There are far worse owners in football although right now we are all dejected so it won't feel like that. The summer will be the real test should we go down which looks likely. We need to keep players and recruit like Birmingham did (within reason) and take advantage of the lack of FFP to maybe build something.

Time will tell.

This is a great post.
A well balanced view which I’d pretty much fully agree with.

Done his meglamaniac best to destroy the club,that is my final word.