TAN vs NANTES - MY PERSONAL TAKE : I bel

The date is now September 22nd 2025

EMILIANO SALA TRAGICALLY DIED OVER SIX YEARS AGO:

Court Case after Court Case Vincent Tan has lost / So Tan has taken out a Private Prosecution:



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TAN vs NANTES - MY PERSONAL TAKE : I believe that Tan will lose his court case against Nantes !!!



I want to be clear that I do not know all the details and so my take is unreliable ….but still as fans Tan winning the case and around £100 million is a big big thing for the future of the Club and Tan’s willingness and indeed ability to continue …..and hence this layman’s opinion :


Tan’s main premise is that Will McKay was Nantes agent or representative and ACTING ON THIER BEHALF and consequently Nantes are responsible !!



My reasoning that Tan will lose is based on the following :

(1) Let us assume that McKay was indeed Nante’s agent (Nantes deny that he was or that he was acting for them) ….what was he the agent for ?

He 100% would have been the agent to effect “THE TRANSFER SALE OF SALA” . Well … the transfer was 100% legally completed at the time of the tragedy …..and consequently McKay’s job as an agent for Nantes was over (this is a fact) . His actions after he finished his job are not Nante’s responsibility .



(2) Even if McKay was an intermediary ….establishing that this creates legal liability for Nantes requires proving a direct chain of responsibility that does not appear to be evidenced in the available documents submitted by CCFC . This statement is from independent lawyers ….not mine.




(3) Cardiff must demonstrate that Nantes knew or should have known about unsafe flight arrangements (plane and pilot) . This is a very challenging thing to prove . This statement is from independent lawyers …..not mine.


(4) The court must determine whether this flight organization falls within Nante’s duty of care or responsibility as the selling club . This is a very doubtful and untested matter . This statement is in essence not mine but by independent lawyers.


(5) Tan’s claim for €120 million is highly speculative so are his percentages and reasoning to reach this sum . Courts require more .

Conclusion : Tan faces an uphill battle to establish negligence and responsibility by Nantes .


My personal view : Sala was a tragic accident ….end of ….let it rest.

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I also don't know the full details obviously, but agree with that summary.

This should have been abandoned years ago, it's sad that Vincent Tan is still fighting there seems to be little evidence he can win.

What really matters is the loss of life, my thoughts are always with those emotionally impacted by that such as the family and friends.

The date is now September 22nd 2025

EMILIANO SALA TRAGICALLY DIED OVER SIX YEARS AGO:

Court Case after Court Case Vincent Tan has lost / So Tan has taken out a Private Prosecution:



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TAN vs NANTES - MY PERSONAL TAKE : I believe that Tan will lose his court case against Nantes !!!



I want to be clear that I do not know all the details and so my take is unreliable ….but still as fans Tan winning the case and around £100 million is a big big thing for the future of the Club and Tan’s willingness and indeed ability to continue …..and hence this layman’s opinion :


Tan’s main premise is that Will McKay was Nantes agent or representative and ACTING ON THIER BEHALF and consequently Nantes are responsible !!



My reasoning that Tan will lose is based on the following :

(1) Let us assume that McKay was indeed Nante’s agent (Nantes deny that he was or that he was acting for them) ….what was he the agent for ?

He 100% would have been the agent to effect “THE TRANSFER SALE OF SALA” . Well … the transfer was 100% legally completed at the time of the tragedy …..and consequently McKay’s job as an agent for Nantes was over (this is a fact) . His actions after he finished his job are not Nante’s responsibility .



(2) Even if McKay was an intermediary ….establishing that this creates legal liability for Nantes requires proving a direct chain of responsibility that does not appear to be evidenced in the available documents submitted by CCFC . This statement is from independent lawyers ….not mine.




(3) Cardiff must demonstrate that Nantes knew or should have known about unsafe flight arrangements (plane and pilot) . This is a very challenging thing to prove . This statement is from independent lawyers …..not mine.


(4) The court must determine whether this flight organization falls within Nante’s duty of care or responsibility as the selling club . This is a very doubtful and untested matter . This statement is in essence not mine but by independent lawyers.


(5) Tan’s claim for €120 million is highly speculative so are his percentages and reasoning to reach this sum . Courts require more .

Conclusion : Tan faces an uphill battle to establish negligence and responsibility by Nantes .


My personal view : Sala was a tragic accident ….end of ….let it rest.

The club won an out of court settlement against the insurance company already on the sala case so not a loss , also some company has also given the club 10s of millions in bascally a bet that club will win whixh is a good sign , like you said you don't know all the details as nor do I but a company placing a lot of money on badcally a bet is a good sign, I fully believe we will win compensation from nantes not sure how much tho but let's not forget we are the wronged party on the illegal flight .

I also don't know the full details obviously, but agree with that summary.

This should have been abandoned years ago, it's sad that Vincent Tan is still fighting there seems to be little evidence he can win.

What really matters is the loss of life, my thoughts are always with those emotionally impacted by that such as the family and friends.

Not your 10s of millions down the drain tho is it, easy to write off someone else's money . It's not our fault sala died why should we take the massive hit , it was an illegal dodgy flight arranged by a dodgy scumbag agent .I hope we win the full amount and most of it spent on the club .

I also don't know the full details obviously, but agree with that summary.

This should have been abandoned years ago, it's sad that Vincent Tan is still fighting there seems to be little evidence he can win.

What really matters is the loss of life, my thoughts are always with those emotionally impacted by that such as the family and friends.

Not your 10s of millions down the drain tho is it, easy to write off someone else's money . It's not our fault sala died why should we take the massive hit , it was an illegal dodgy flight arranged by a dodgy scumbag agent .I hope we win the full amount and most of it spent on the club .

Do you honestly think Tan will spend any of that money on the club? He’ll take it all and try to sell us ASAP.

I also don't know the full details obviously, but agree with that summary.

This should have been abandoned years ago, it's sad that Vincent Tan is still fighting there seems to be little evidence he can win.

What really matters is the loss of life, my thoughts are always with those emotionally impacted by that such as the family and friends.

Not your 10s of millions down the drain tho is it, easy to write off someone else's money . It's not our fault sala died why should we take the massive hit , it was an illegal dodgy flight arranged by a dodgy scumbag agent .I hope we win the full amount and most of it spent on the club .

Do you honestly think Tan will spend any of that money on the club? He’ll take it all and try to sell us ASAP.

Well either way it's a win, win for us fans, if he spends on the squad great or better still he p*sses of for ever.

I also don't know the full details obviously, but agree with that summary.

This should have been abandoned years ago, it's sad that Vincent Tan is still fighting there seems to be little evidence he can win.

What really matters is the loss of life, my thoughts are always with those emotionally impacted by that such as the family and friends.

Not your 10s of millions down the drain tho is it, easy to write off someone else's money . It's not our fault sala died why should we take the massive hit , it was an illegal dodgy flight arranged by a dodgy scumbag agent .I hope we win the full amount and most of it spent on the club .

Do you honestly think Tan will spend any of that money on the club? He’ll take it all and try to sell us ASAP.

Well either way it's a win, win for us fans, if he spends on the squad great or better still he p*sses of for ever.

Oh yes, agree.

As I understand it Tan was told what he was claiming for was unrelistic and so the money Nantes being sued for is now £80m

I don’t think McKays role with the transfer was over when he arranged that flight. He has already publicly stated he was still involved. For a Principal to cut the link for potential action for negligence on the part of their agent. They need to make it clear to all parties involved that the agent’s relationship finishes at a certain point in the process, or has finished.
If a third party, such as CCFC is led to believe an agent is still involved, without being advised otherwise. Then vicarious liability can be held against the Principal.
If it were a clear cut case that we had no chance of claiming Nantes are vicariously liable, the lawyers acting for the club would be misleading their client and leaving themselves open to being sued.
There’s no way it’s go5 this far and been investigated by the commercial court for this long if there was a black and white view on whether McKay was still” involved and holding himself out as acting for Nantes.
We may still get sweet fa or lose, if we do it certainly isn’t clear cut.

Bear in mind, the McKays have been paid for their services as agents.

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As I understand it Tan was told what he was claiming for was unrelistic and so the money Nantes being sued for is now £80m

Mad to believe that’s just Harry Maguire

I also don't know the full details obviously, but agree with that summary.

This should have been abandoned years ago, it's sad that Vincent Tan is still fighting there seems to be little evidence he can win.

What really matters is the loss of life, my thoughts are always with those emotionally impacted by that such as the family and friends.

Not your 10s of millions down the drain tho is it, easy to write off someone else's money . It's not our fault sala died why should we take the massive hit , it was an illegal dodgy flight arranged by a dodgy scumbag agent .I hope we win the full amount and most of it spent on the club .

Do you honestly think Tan will spend any of that money on the club? He’ll take it all and try to sell us ASAP.

In a thread of guesswork you may well be right. If they settle for half of what he's claiming he walks away hopefully selling the club for a lot less than he's currently asking.

I also don't know the full details obviously, but agree with that summary.

This should have been abandoned years ago, it's sad that Vincent Tan is still fighting there seems to be little evidence he can win.

What really matters is the loss of life, my thoughts are always with those emotionally impacted by that such as the family and friends.

Not your 10s of millions down the drain tho is it, easy to write off someone else's money . It's not our fault sala died why should we take the massive hit , it was an illegal dodgy flight arranged by a dodgy scumbag agent .I hope we win the full amount and most of it spent on the club .

But we are going for Nantes FC who inturn are claiming what the agent did after is nothing to do with them.

Surprised so many know so much about French corporate law......No idea what the hell is happening

The date is now September 22nd 2025

EMILIANO SALA TRAGICALLY DIED OVER SIX YEARS AGO:

Court Case after Court Case Vincent Tan has lost / So Tan has taken out a Private Prosecution:



viewtopic.php?f=2&t=204226






TAN vs NANTES - MY PERSONAL TAKE : I believe that Tan will lose his court case against Nantes !!!



I want to be clear that I do not know all the details and so my take is unreliable ….but still as fans Tan winning the case and around £100 million is a big big thing for the future of the Club and Tan’s willingness and indeed ability to continue …..and hence this layman’s opinion :


Tan’s main premise is that Will McKay was Nantes agent or representative and ACTING ON THIER BEHALF and consequently Nantes are responsible !!



My reasoning that Tan will lose is based on the following :

(1) Let us assume that McKay was indeed Nante’s agent (Nantes deny that he was or that he was acting for them) ….what was he the agent for ?

He 100% would have been the agent to effect “THE TRANSFER SALE OF SALA” . Well … the transfer was 100% legally completed at the time of the tragedy …..and consequently McKay’s job as an agent for Nantes was over (this is a fact) . His actions after he finished his job are not Nante’s responsibility .



(2) Even if McKay was an intermediary ….establishing that this creates legal liability for Nantes requires proving a direct chain of responsibility that does not appear to be evidenced in the available documents submitted by CCFC . This statement is from independent lawyers ….not mine.




(3) Cardiff must demonstrate that Nantes knew or should have known about unsafe flight arrangements (plane and pilot) . This is a very challenging thing to prove . This statement is from independent lawyers …..not mine.


(4) The court must determine whether this flight organization falls within Nante’s duty of care or responsibility as the selling club . This is a very doubtful and untested matter . This statement is in essence not mine but by independent lawyers.


(5) Tan’s claim for €120 million is highly speculative so are his percentages and reasoning to reach this sum . Courts require more .

Conclusion : Tan faces an uphill battle to establish negligence and responsibility by Nantes .


My personal view : Sala was a tragic accident ….end of ….let it rest.

The club won an out of court settlement against the insurance company already on the sala case so not a loss , also some company has also given the club 10s of millions in bascally a bet that club will win whixh is a good sign , like you said you don't know all the details as nor do I but a company placing a lot of money on badcally a bet is a good sign, I fully believe we will win compensation from nantes not sure how much tho but let's not forget we are the wronged party on the illegal flight .

Because over all we do have an insurance policy that covers all players, But we never took out the individual one on Sala till the Monday due to incompetence by our staff.

So we tried to sue and failed for all the money and received a proportion of the value.

But your Mate Tan has Necer won a court case for us, but wasted £millions upon £millions on failed Court Cases a fact.

Whether you think the club is right or wrong suing Nantes there is no way Tan is going to drop this until he has explored every single option through the courts

It’s already cost him £millions so he might as well go to the bitter end he’s not got much to lose

I still think there will be an out of court settlement for about 25% of what we are claiming maybe less than that. Even if we do win Nantes haven’t got the money to pay us so how will that work??

The date is now September 22nd 2025

EMILIANO SALA TRAGICALLY DIED OVER SIX YEARS AGO:

Court Case after Court Case Vincent Tan has lost / So Tan has taken out a Private Prosecution:



viewtopic.php?f=2&t=204226






TAN vs NANTES - MY PERSONAL TAKE : I believe that Tan will lose his court case against Nantes !!!



I want to be clear that I do not know all the details and so my take is unreliable ….but still as fans Tan winning the case and around £100 million is a big big thing for the future of the Club and Tan’s willingness and indeed ability to continue …..and hence this layman’s opinion :


Tan’s main premise is that Will McKay was Nantes agent or representative and ACTING ON THIER BEHALF and consequently Nantes are responsible !!



My reasoning that Tan will lose is based on the following :

(1) Let us assume that McKay was indeed Nante’s agent (Nantes deny that he was or that he was acting for them) ….what was he the agent for ?

He 100% would have been the agent to effect “THE TRANSFER SALE OF SALA” . Well … the transfer was 100% legally completed at the time of the tragedy …..and consequently McKay’s job as an agent for Nantes was over (this is a fact) . His actions after he finished his job are not Nante’s responsibility .



(2) Even if McKay was an intermediary ….establishing that this creates legal liability for Nantes requires proving a direct chain of responsibility that does not appear to be evidenced in the available documents submitted by CCFC . This statement is from independent lawyers ….not mine.




(3) Cardiff must demonstrate that Nantes knew or should have known about unsafe flight arrangements (plane and pilot) . This is a very challenging thing to prove . This statement is from independent lawyers …..not mine.


(4) The court must determine whether this flight organization falls within Nante’s duty of care or responsibility as the selling club . This is a very doubtful and untested matter . This statement is in essence not mine but by independent lawyers.


(5) Tan’s claim for €120 million is highly speculative so are his percentages and reasoning to reach this sum . Courts require more .

Conclusion : Tan faces an uphill battle to establish negligence and responsibility by Nantes .


My personal view : Sala was a tragic accident ….end of ….let it rest.

The club won an out of court settlement against the insurance company already on the sala case so not a loss , also some company has also given the club 10s of millions in bascally a bet that club will win whixh is a good sign , like you said you don't know all the details as nor do I but a company placing a lot of money on badcally a bet is a good sign, I fully believe we will win compensation from nantes not sure how much tho but let's not forget we are the wronged party on the illegal flight .

Because over all we do have an insurance policy that covers all players, But we never took out the individual one on Sala till the Monday due to incompetence by our staff.

So we tried to sue and failed for all the money and received a proportion of the value.

But your Mate Tan has Necer won a court case for us, but wasted £millions upon £millions on failed Court Cases a fact.

Hardly a small amount the insurers paid out of court coz there was a good chance they would lose .also the club hasn't paid out millions in legal fees has it ? It's not in the accounts it's tans own money .

Surprised so many know so much about French corporate law......No idea what the hell is happening

Know what you mean. But law of Agency. Which is what this claim will be based on is fairly common across the world. As it’s one of the oldest laws put in place when sailing ships were carrying cargo etc and agents acted for sellers and shipping companies on international cargoes.
paul Keevil wrote a good piece on it months ago. As he’s worked within cases like this (in principle) re clubs being held liable for kiddy fiddling coaches who were self employed/sub contracting etc and the clubs denied responsibility. But list. he said his understanding of French agency law is that it’s actually more comprehensive than over here.
I’ve worked in various roles where it’s been the ruling law and can tell you it’s a wide piece of legislation that captures someone working on behalf of another party. If someone holds themselves out as an agent for xzy saying we’ve got the contract to sell a player. And the selling club don’t deny it and allow that person to act as intermediary, the buying club is legally right in assuming he has the authority to be involved and that makes the seller responsible for their negligence. And subsequent damages.
Fingers crossed we’ll win and give VT and the rest of us the chance to move on.

I've said it before & I'll say it again. VT is not selling us or going anywhere until this is done & dusted to his satisfaction as he sees it as his name being cleared of any wrongdoing, it's all about saving face for him & the money doesn't matter.

The date is now September 22nd 2025

EMILIANO SALA TRAGICALLY DIED OVER SIX YEARS AGO:

Court Case after Court Case Vincent Tan has lost / So Tan has taken out a Private Prosecution:



viewtopic.php?f=2&t=204226






TAN vs NANTES - MY PERSONAL TAKE : I believe that Tan will lose his court case against Nantes !!!



I want to be clear that I do not know all the details and so my take is unreliable ….but still as fans Tan winning the case and around £100 million is a big big thing for the future of the Club and Tan’s willingness and indeed ability to continue …..and hence this layman’s opinion :


Tan’s main premise is that Will McKay was Nantes agent or representative and ACTING ON THIER BEHALF and consequently Nantes are responsible !!



My reasoning that Tan will lose is based on the following :

(1) Let us assume that McKay was indeed Nante’s agent (Nantes deny that he was or that he was acting for them) ….what was he the agent for ?

He 100% would have been the agent to effect “THE TRANSFER SALE OF SALA” . Well … the transfer was 100% legally completed at the time of the tragedy …..and consequently McKay’s job as an agent for Nantes was over (this is a fact) . His actions after he finished his job are not Nante’s responsibility .



(2) Even if McKay was an intermediary ….establishing that this creates legal liability for Nantes requires proving a direct chain of responsibility that does not appear to be evidenced in the available documents submitted by CCFC . This statement is from independent lawyers ….not mine.




(3) Cardiff must demonstrate that Nantes knew or should have known about unsafe flight arrangements (plane and pilot) . This is a very challenging thing to prove . This statement is from independent lawyers …..not mine.


(4) The court must determine whether this flight organization falls within Nante’s duty of care or responsibility as the selling club . This is a very doubtful and untested matter . This statement is in essence not mine but by independent lawyers.


(5) Tan’s claim for €120 million is highly speculative so are his percentages and reasoning to reach this sum . Courts require more .

Conclusion : Tan faces an uphill battle to establish negligence and responsibility by Nantes .


My personal view : Sala was a tragic accident ….end of ….let it rest.

The club won an out of court settlement against the insurance company already on the sala case so not a loss , also some company has also given the club 10s of millions in bascally a bet that club will win whixh is a good sign , like you said you don't know all the details as nor do I but a company placing a lot of money on badcally a bet is a good sign, I fully believe we will win compensation from nantes not sure how much tho but let's not forget we are the wronged party on the illegal flight .

Because over all we do have an insurance policy that covers all players, But we never took out the individual one on Sala till the Monday due to incompetence by our staff.

So we tried to sue and failed for all the money and received a proportion of the value.

But your Mate Tan has Necer won a court case for us, but wasted £millions upon £millions on failed Court Cases a fact.

I don’t come on here much now as I frankly can’t be a%^~d with the different factions.

However, you know that what you have stated there “never won a court case” is wrong,

He won the Isaac case, Malky had to withdraw his Employment Tribunal as Tan was going to win that, the Insurance brokers had to pay out, etc., etc.

None of us knows what will happen with the Sala case, but the fact it’s got this far shows there is merit in this case too.

Let’s just wait and see ………