Attn Mozzer- ref Junior football

Hi Moz, as a local parks coach is their a min age for a player @ u-12 level, have a son who is 9 (u-10 level) and currently plays for an u-11 team, looking to next year will he be allowed to play for same team @ u-12 level?.

Hi
I run an u13s cardiff side no he wont be able to play at under12 he will have to drop down to his age group.

you are not allowed to play competitive football till your 12 years old .

hence11 years of age and younger are not allowed to play at under 12 level the year they go up to the big pitches

12 years of age can play at under 13 level tho . hope that makes sence

Thanks for clarification, who would you say have the best u-11's in the cardiff league so far this season?.

meant u-10's this year bit will be u-11 level next.

as mentioned at under 11and below there are no leagues but to hazard a guess who are the best under 11 side i know grangetown and pentwyn have good sides .

There is much more emphasis at that level to devolop kids skills rather than make them the best team win at all costs mentality .When they reach 12 they will naturally become competitve anyway .

When they reach 16 they think they know it all and the ref usually get's a mouthfull too !!!



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cheers moz what about u-10's at present as this is his age?.

Bob my son plays for pentwyn u-10's they have a good setup. The person running it has been doing so for about 20 years!

If u want his number p.m. me

cheers ccfcbluebird, i know it's not about results at this level but what is the standard of players at your boys team?

Quite a few of the boys attend Training with ccfc once a week. I'd say the standard is quite high (maybe 8 to 10 players stand out) At training they regulary have about 30 kids Training between the ages of 7-10 years old.

bob hatton i've moved on to running youth level now from doing the junior scene for about 8 years and really you don't need to know who the best sides are as the best kids will stand out and be picked up by either the FAW academy or the ccfc scouting network . There are other clubs scouts active in south wales too . Just let the kids enjoy themselves at that age .as mentioned by the other poster pentwyn have a very good set up with Malcolm who has been running there club for years . by the way what team are you involved with ?

Hi Mozzer,
what club are you with i do junior under 13s st albans

i reckon we should have an AAMB festival. engrave the cup now with my teams now if you want and fight for 2nd etc.

i reckon we should have an AAMB festival. engrave the cup now with my teams now if you want and fight for 2nd etc.

Sounds good....A aamb tournement for all the up and coming talent !

Mozz and others,

Think this is what is so wrong with Welsh Junior Football and how the Welsh FA set up the junior football

In England you have compettitve games right from an early age, proper league's including tables published, proper sponsered cups and they get introduced to competitive games early on - What you also get with this is the lack of games that are called off.

My lad has not played since end of November (Mind you I have not played senior league since the 9th November) yet across the bridge there have been less games called off as it is proper league depsite the poor weather - There seems a more determined effort to get games on and more of a commitment from the leagues, the teams and the kids to play

Just food for thought !

Fella wouldn't matter if the kids had champions league style format games would still have been called off due to the shite weather we have had, here's looking forward to a resumption of fixtures this weekend.

Fella wouldn't matter if the kids had champions league style format games would still have been called off due to the shite weather we have had, here's looking forward to a resumption of fixtures this weekend.

I know the weather has been shite but there are defo some weeks I am sure the games would have been on if a competitive fixture just my opinion !

Yes lets hope so

Mozz and others,

Think this is what is so wrong with Welsh Junior Football and how the Welsh FA set up the junior football

In England you have compettitve games right from an early age, proper league's including tables published, proper sponsered cups and they get introduced to competitive games early on - What you also get with this is the lack of games that are called off.

My lad has not played since end of November (Mind you I have not played senior league since the 9th November) yet across the bridge there have been less games called off as it is proper league depsite the poor weather - There seems a more determined effort to get games on and more of a commitment from the leagues, the teams and the kids to play

Just food for thought !

Dobbin, I think given the general state of youth football in Britain as a whole we should be looking elsewhere for improvements rather than each other!

However, I do think having competitive games from an early age would be better because I know loads of kids who stopped playing football before the age of 11 who would have been quality but they just didn't want to play pointless games every year and would have preferred competitive games.

Zabier,

I have to totally disagree , a youngster will not develop technique if a manager of a very young side is simply out to win a football match.

Thumping a ball as far as possible - is not technique. Although many Championship Clubs think so

The Dutch/Spanish all do it the correct way - Britain as a whole is miles away anyway - your stance would further add more miles!

Zabier - out of interest what do you regard as quality at that age?

Daya, I'm not saying that the coaches be encouraged to win but the league tables would give the games more reason and help kids become used to the climate a competitive game brings. The mental side needs to be trained as well as the physical side. The coaches should be encouraged to introduce ball work and ground play. Not just at under 11s age and younger but right the way through. Our current manager, for all his faults, at least tries to encourage passing play when most teams at our level (Lazarou League) are just happy to long ball it.

A good quality at that age is someone who has the raw ability. You can't describe it, you can just see it. Not necessarily just the technique but awareness, positioning and composure.

Zabier,

I have to totally disagree , a youngster will not develop technique if a manager of a very young side is simply out to win a football match.

Thumping a ball as far as possible - is not technique. Although many Championship Clubs think so

The Dutch/Spanish all do it the correct way - Britain as a whole is miles away anyway - your stance would further add more miles!

Disagree Daya,

A player can develope his technique by playing competitive football. When my lad plays sunday football despite it not being compettive winning is still in the coaches mind and they will cheat to win, including sneaking extra players on, adding extra time on and many other stunts

The issue I believe is around the coaching of the kids - How easy is it to pass your basic coaching badges and then run a kids football team with no real experience

In my opinion before you coach kids you should have a minmum of C licence or be able to demonstrate that you have more capabilities than the basic badge

Daya, I'm not saying that the coaches be encouraged to win but the league tables would give the games more reason and help kids become used to the climate a competitive game brings. The mental side needs to be trained as well as the physical side. The coaches should be encouraged to introduce ball work and ground play. Not just at under 11s age and younger but right the way through. Our current manager, for all his faults, at least tries to encourage passing play when most teams at our level (Lazarou League) are just happy to long ball it.

A good quality at that age is someone who has the raw ability. You can't describe it, you can just see it. Not necessarily just the technique but awareness, positioning and composure.

Sorry mate, cant agree. leauge tables bring coaches/managers who wish to win- no purpose otherwise. 11 years old is a good age to learn competitive as they do- no need prior.

your be asking for the banning of nappies next! kids should learn to shit from the off on a toilet!

Not be funny with this question but have you raised any children of your own yet in general? let alone little uns who play football?

Daya, I'm not saying that the coaches be encouraged to win but the league tables would give the games more reason and help kids become used to the climate a competitive game brings. The mental side needs to be trained as well as the physical side. The coaches should be encouraged to introduce ball work and ground play. Not just at under 11s age and younger but right the way through. Our current manager, for all his faults, at least tries to encourage passing play when most teams at our level (Lazarou League) are just happy to long ball it.

A good quality at that age is someone who has the raw ability. You can't describe it, you can just see it. Not necessarily just the technique but awareness, positioning and composure.

Sorry mate, cant agree. leauge tables bring coaches/managers who wish to win- no purpose otherwise. 11 years old is a good age to learn competitive as they do- no need prior.

your be asking for the banning of nappies next! kids should learn to shit from the off on a toilet!

Not be funny with this question but have you raised any children of your own yet in general? let alone little uns who play football?

Bear with me, I have a worthy argument to support that!

I haven't raised any kids myself but with my mum being a childminder I am aware of how competitively natured kids of that age can be. On the flip side, do you think maybe the fact you have had kids (I assume you have by asking that question) might be blinkering your views based on how you raised your kids? Maybe I am able to submit a more neutral and objective view of it because I haven't had any of my own kids subjected to it?

Like Dobbin said, the coaching quality and standards should ask more than just the basic coaching badges. On the flip side of that though, a problem might be that the numbers of willing coaches decreases and has a more detrimental effect. Playing Devil's advocate here.

By the way Daya, I'm not saying I'm right with any of this. You're involved in it all and I am not. I'm just giving you my view on how I could see potential improvements because Welsh youth football could be doing better in my opinion.

sorry mate i know you love the photo's!

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preparation!

This mob were all at under 9 level then, smiles on all faces , full enjoyment - no need for competion at this age, a game or two in the right enviorment is enough if structured the right way!

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So, given your experience, you would definitely rule out introducing competitive action at an earlier age?

Also, I would like to state I love Daya's photos in general... not ones that specifically have kids in them!

Smiles on all faces - They look more confused to me !

Daya, I'm not saying that the coaches be encouraged to win but the league tables would give the games more reason and help kids become used to the climate a competitive game brings. The mental side needs to be trained as well as the physical side. The coaches should be encouraged to introduce ball work and ground play. Not just at under 11s age and younger but right the way through. Our current manager, for all his faults, at least tries to encourage passing play when most teams at our level (Lazarou League) are just happy to long ball it.

A good quality at that age is someone who has the raw ability. You can't describe it, you can just see it. Not necessarily just the technique but awareness, positioning and composure.

Sorry mate, cant agree. leauge tables bring coaches/managers who wish to win- no purpose otherwise. 11 years old is a good age to learn competitive as they do- no need prior.

your be asking for the banning of nappies next! kids should learn to shit from the off on a toilet!

Not be funny with this question but have you raised any children of your own yet in general? let alone little uns who play football?

Bear with me, I have a worthy argument to support that!

I haven't raised any kids myself but with my mum being a childminder I am aware of how competitively natured kids of that age can be. On the flip side, do you think maybe the fact you have had kids (I assume you have by asking that question) might be blinkering your views based on how you raised your kids? Maybe I am able to submit a more neutral and objective view of it because I haven't had any of my own kids subjected to it?

Like Dobbin said, the coaching quality and standards should ask more than just the basic coaching badges. On the flip side of that though, a problem might be that the numbers of willing coaches decreases and has a more detrimental effect. Playing Devil's advocate here.

By the way Daya, I'm not saying I'm right with any of this. You're involved in it all and I am not. I'm just giving you my view on how I could see potential improvements because Welsh youth football could be doing better in my opinion.

6 Kids with the wife mate - she was good breeding stock!

Dobbins correct - but you wont get Saturday morning Dads to do anymore - why should they? NOW you come to a very good point DEVELOPMENT CENTRES . Thats why its crucial they are run correctly and funded !!!! Bingo!

By the way Zabier - your not ( sorry mate had to throw that in!)

Welsh football you are correct could do hellva lot better!! but its Clubs need to sort themselves out first.