" WHAT DOES THE WELSH ASSEMBLY ACTUALLY DO ? "

Other than Cost us £60 Million a year to run ?

When they were Voted in, only 40% of Wales Voted and they got in by 51% of the Vote, Would they still get in Now ?

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Do what the the coalition tell them too, waste of time IMO.

It was initially proposed in 1979, However, voters rejected the proposals by a majority of four to one in a referendum held all those years ago.

The first vote in 1999 was a turn out of 40 odd percent.

Other than Cost us £60 Million a year to run ?

When they were Voted in, only 40% of Wales Voted and they got in by 51% of the Vote, Would they still get in Now ?

OPINIONS PLEASE



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I'm an exile so cant really comment but my old man hates it with a passion. Waste of f*cking money is his usual quote.

Other than Cost us £60 Million a year to run ?

When they were Voted in, only 40% of Wales Voted and they got in by 51% of the Vote, Would they still get in Now ?

OPINIONS PLEASE



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I'm an exile so cant really comment but my old man hates it with a passion. Waste of f*cking money is his usual quote.

I Second that. Sorry if it Offends,just My Opinion.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-sout ... s-11503599

If they had direct powers, then it would be a more worthwhile project.It appears that many elected members pay lip service and attend sporting events.

I voted YES for them, but now i see it was a waste of public money .There just a glorified super council wasting millions each year.If we had another vote it would have to be NO this time.

Complete Joke, Jobs for the boys (you scratch my back etc.), a total waste of space (and our Money )

Its just a F**king talking shop, with huge salaries for the failed politicians who work there !

ummmmmmmmmmmm.........errrrrrrr.....f@ck all that really has anything to do with the working man,unless its somthing to f@ck us up.

The assembly elections are next year and there will be a anti-assembly party standing apprantly

Thats for me

The Welsh Assembly came about partly as a response to calls for devolved democracy, partly to keep us up with the Scots. The real impetus for devolution came during the Thatcher years when the Scots and Welsh saw the cuts implemented by Thatcher as hitting them harder than (most of) England. Remember the Poll Tax Riots in Scotland and elsewhere?
Up until now its been a Labour-run UK state working with a Labour or Lib/Lab WAG. So no sparks flying there...
Things could get interesting with Tory cuts imposed on Wales again. Unfortunately, most Welsh Assembly Members aren't really up to it. I was hoping Ron Davies woud get involved again after his misadventures, he knows how politics works.

Other than Cost us £60 Million a year to run ?

When they were Voted in, only 40% of Wales Voted and they got in by 51% of the Vote, Would they still get in Now ?

OPINIONS PLEASE



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From a personal point of view the Assembly Goverment was one of the first to make abolish presription charges, they have also put in place strict criteria on waiting lists in the NHS. In Caerphilly a brand new hospital is being built to replace Caerphilly & District Miners Hospital as well as funding the building of at least 5 new medical centres in the County Borough.

4 New roads have been built which help traffic bypass villages in the Rhymney Valley all of which was funded by EU money sourced by the National Assembley. The same goes with the work on the M4 between Newport and Cardiff.

In sporting terms the Assembly rubber stamped Cardiff Council gifting Cardiff City the land at Leckwith on which the new stadium has been built. And what about their support for the Ryder Cup.

Whilst I agree the Assembly costs a lot of money to run each year have a look around the area you live in and things have improved because this body exists. Does anyone really believed a London based government would have achieved as much

The assembly elections are next year and there will be a anti-assembly party standing apprantly

Thats for me

the've got my vote

Other than Cost us £60 Million a year to run ?

When they were Voted in, only 40% of Wales Voted and they got in by 51% of the Vote, Would they still get in Now ?

OPINIONS PLEASE



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From a personal point of view the Assembly Goverment was one of the first to make abolish presription charges, they have also put in place strict criteria on waiting lists in the NHS. In Caerphilly a brand new hospital is being built to replace Caerphilly & District Miners Hospital as well as funding the building of at least 5 new medical centres in the County Borough.

4 New roads have been built which help traffic bypass villages in the Rhymney Valley all of which was funded by EU money sourced by the National Assembley. The same goes with the work on the M4 between Newport and Cardiff.

In sporting terms the Assembly rubber stamped Cardiff Council gifting Cardiff City the land at Leckwith on which the new stadium has been built. And what about their support for the Ryder Cup.

Whilst I agree the Assembly costs a lot of money to run each year have a look around the area you live in and things have improved because this body exists. Does anyone really believed a London based government would have achieved as much

these things would have happened with or without the assembley

Other than Cost us £60 Million a year to run ?

When they were Voted in, only 40% of Wales Voted and they got in by 51% of the Vote, Would they still get in Now ?

OPINIONS PLEASE



http://www.cardiffcityforum.co.uk/viewt ... =2&t=23847

From a personal point of view the Assembly Goverment was one of the first to make abolish presription charges, they have also put in place strict criteria on waiting lists in the NHS. In Caerphilly a brand new hospital is being built to replace Caerphilly & District Miners Hospital as well as funding the building of at least 5 new medical centres in the County Borough.

4 New roads have been built which help traffic bypass villages in the Rhymney Valley all of which was funded by EU money sourced by the National Assembley. The same goes with the work on the M4 between Newport and Cardiff.

In sporting terms the Assembly rubber stamped Cardiff Council gifting Cardiff City the land at Leckwith on which the new stadium has been built. And what about their support for the Ryder Cup.

Whilst I agree the Assembly costs a lot of money to run each year have a look around the area you live in and things have improved because this body exists. Does anyone really believed a London based government would have achieved as much

these things would have happened with or without the assembley

A replacement Hospital in Caerphilly has been talked about for over 30 years but funding from London based governments has never been supplied. The Assembly Government has supplied that funding, with EU support, given the fact that the Condems currently in power have cancelled ALL building projects on new hospitals and schools in England do you really believe these things would happen anyway?

In Caerphilly the lower and upper valley relief roads have been talked about for decades. no London based government has ever provided the funding, the Assembley government has.

I have absolutely no doubt that without the Assembley Government we would still be talking about these projects as no London based government would ever of approved them. Other examples of similar projects can be found throughtout Wales, again an absolute fact.

Pretty ignorant populist posts from most of you.
Welsh Assembly governs all your schools, highways, health services, culture, housing ...... i could go on.
I'd also rather that they had more power, power over our Police, Justice etc - but that is still run by Westminster.

The question for me is what the f**k does the secretary for state for Wales ( a Tory bint from England) do for us and what the f**k do most of that shower of shit in Westminster do for us.

I'd rather have people who live in the same community as us govern us, at least then you can have a say or at least key their cars.
I'd rather have a Welsh Labour / Plaid Cymru coalition, than Cameron and his Tory twats govern over us (and no I'm not a New Labour supporter).
You lot seem to have forgotten that the cunts in Government in Westminster now are the ones that made Wales one of the most Welfare dependant countries in Europe by destroying our industries and jobs, just because they didn't like the power of the Unions in working class communities.

Pretty ignorant populist posts from most of you.
Welsh Assembly governs all your schools, highways, health services, culture, housing ...... i could go on.
I'd also rather that they had more power, power over our Police, Justice etc - but that is still run by Westminster.

The question for me is what the f**k does the secretary for state for Wales ( a Tory bint from England) do for us and what the f**k do most of that shower of shit in Westminster do for us.

I'd rather have people who live in the same community as us govern us, at least then you can have a say or at least key their cars.
I'd rather have a Welsh Labour / Plaid Cymru coalition, than Cameron and his Tory twats govern over us (and no I'm not a New Labour supporter).
You lot seem to have forgotten that the cunts in Government in Westminster now are the ones that made Wales one of the most Welfare dependant countries in Europe by destroying our industries and jobs, just because they didn't like the power of the Unions in working class communities.

Its about Everyones Different Opinions and All Opinions are WELCOME, Thats what makes Such Good Debates on This Forum

Other than Cost us £60 Million a year to run ?

When they were Voted in, only 40% of Wales Voted and they got in by 51% of the Vote, Would they still get in Now ?

OPINIONS PLEASE



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Much more than the english government has ever done for us.......roll on full independence!!!!!!!

Other than Cost us £60 Million a year to run ?

When they were Voted in, only 40% of Wales Voted and they got in by 51% of the Vote, Would they still get in Now ?

OPINIONS PLEASE



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Much more than the english government has ever done for us.......roll on full independence!!!!!!!

I Love your Sentiments and Passion Blazing a pity the Welsh Team didnt have the same

Oh and I agree with Castleblue

Let the Cymru govern the Cymru

And yes Annis it's always good to have a debate, didn't mean to start my post with a put down, it's a debate I have with a few mates often they all agree with you, but the the Assembly paid my wages for a couple years so maybe I'm biased!

Other than Cost us £60 Million a year to run ?

When they were Voted in, only 40% of Wales Voted and they got in by 51% of the Vote, Would they still get in Now ?

OPINIONS PLEASE



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What do they do?

Put it this way , it rhymes with "Porthcawl"

And what does government from London do.....It's spent the last few decades putting hundreds of thousands of Welsh people on out of work benefits, (the majority on to long term and inter-generational sick/disability benefits)...Two thirds of those that do work are dependent on a bloated public sector orientated economy that accounts for nearly 80% of Welsh GDP.

Between the culture of benefit scrounging and over reliance on publlic sector employment virtually our whole economy is state funded, and the state is just about to get clobbered by unprecedented savage cuts to all but a handfull of "ring-fenced" departmental budgets. Thanks to Westminsters absolutely appaling mismanagement of the Welsh economy we're about to get a lot poorer.

an article from Richard Brennan

It must be nice being a Welsh Assembly Member (AM).Salary of £50,692, the ability to make decisions affecting the future of Wales, and the ability to claim some rather odd items on expenses.

The BBC reports that two Welsh Assembly members,Nick Bourne and Alun Cairns have claimed ipods were office costs.

Perhaps they found them a good way of not having to hear awkward questions, such as "Do you really think someone earning £50,692 can justify claiming a portable music device on expenses?"

Deborah Summers in the Guardian also highlights that local government minister Brian Gibbons, paid a basic salary of £76,258, claimed £16.50 for a Royal British Legion wreath.

One wonders if Mr Gibbons (and what an apt name) also claims for the coins he drops in collection boxes.

Several AM's claimed for newspapers and magazines. What magazines? Women's Weekly or top-shelf rags?

Alun Cairns claimed for a "table fridge", while Jenny Randerson claimed £15 for the entrance charge to the Royal Welsh Show.

There is a serious point here. Most of these AM's claimed mobile phone allowances and travel costs - despite earning huge salaries.

Many people have to pay to get into work or have to use their own phone to contact the office, yet don't get reimbursed.

I can accept that AM's should not have to pay for office rent and office bills, but some of these items are ridiculous.

Why should we pay for their meals? They would be eating whether in their constituency, at the Welsh Assembly or on business elsewhere.

There is no justification for charging for ipods, or, as Conservative AM Nick Ramsey did, claiming £977.95 for a Sony LCD television and surround-sound system for his second home.

Expense claims should be scrutinised by an outside body, and a copy sent to their local party.

I think it's just another excuse to give politicians more jobs. What do any of them actually do other than line their own pockets?

They are talking about cuts etc. Well the question I have is how much money is spent employing politicians in the UK.? It's not just them but all the other stuff that goes with each of them. Surely a good place to start with cut backs is with them. If I went to work in London I'd have to find my own place to stay and pay for it myself. If I don't want to do that then I don't go to work there, simple as that.

Do we really need all those politicians in Cardiff Bay? Do we really need about 650 MP's in the house of commons? Surely you could cut that number in half over night. Combine all the safe seats for each party and sack the surplus. They can start with the MP for Caerphilly, whatever his name is, I forget because you only ever hear from him on polling day. f*cking useless waste of money who is only being kept in by the old Labour farts and their stupid offspring.

Nationally if we cut the number of MP's down to say 100 (which to be fair is still probably too many), cut the Welsh AM's down to lets say 5 (trust me, Wales isn't that big). Then combine the number of councilors right down, getting rid of the rest.

How much money have I just saved the UK without any effect whatsoever on services?

annis, this is a very easy question to answer when all your aim is devolotion because you want everybody to speak welsh,but when your daughter suffers from serious health problems which have to be treated in london and manchester and i have spent £3ooo in hotel and travel over the last 18 months because of her hospital stays, i would call, WAG policy on health a total disgrace.please don't get ill under this lot.why has no welsh hospital got a pet scanner? i just wish we could be governed under the welsh office,if these idiods ever have full powers i think i would have to move over the border.

annis, this is a very easy question to answer when all your aim is devolotion because you want everybody to speak welsh,but when your daughter suffers from serious health problems which have to be treated in london and manchester and i have spent £3ooo in hotel and travel over the last 18 months because of her hospital stays, i would call, WAG policy on health a total disgrace.please don't get ill under this lot.why has no welsh hospital got a pet scanner? i just wish we could be governed under the welsh office,if these idiods ever have full powers i think i would have to move over the border.

Hwyl fawr!! .......and don't come back!!

My word....We all know how to bullet point yeah?


1. The assembly only puts forward proposals.

2. The Government then analyze and implement a course of action.

3. The assembly then carry out the proposals wether it be accepted or declined.

4. Implementation of course of action.


Therefore they can only propose to parliament the case senario's, then it is down to being approved and implemented no matter what course of action is decided.

It is not the final decision of the Welsh assembly.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-11503599

If they had direct powers, then it would be a more worthwhile project.It appears that many elected members pay lip service and attend sporting events.

Shit, if they had direct powers we'd all be fecked!! Would be time to get out and leave the place to the mad nationalists who would have you publicly flogged for not speaking the lingo!!

Waste of fecking money, didn't vote for it, still wouldn't vote for it....and believe Wales (as much as it pains me to say it) as a country isn't strong enough to stand alone from the UK partnership, despite the feckers in Westminster stuffing us at every opportunity.

My word....We all know how to bullet point yeah?


1. The assembly only puts forward proposals.

2. The Government then analyze and implement a course of action.

3. The assembly then carry out the proposals wether it be accepted or declined.

4. Implementation of course of action.


Therefore they can only propose to parliament the case senario's, then it is down to being approved and implemented no matter what course of action is decided.

It is not the final decision of the Welsh assembly.

In which case it has NO REAL PURPOSE that the Welsh Office down the road couldn't deal with at less cost and with less self-interest of its non-voted members....