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Cardiff Fan Replies: 'We Are Not Troublemakers'!
By Nu Mad
Tuesday, 9th February 2010
Following trouble outside of SJP after the Cardiff match, we put the spotlight on the Welsh fans who have built up a bad reputation over the years.
Cardiff fan David McCarthy replied ... saying NU-Mad were wrong to label them "notorious". So we answered back:



Thank you for your e-mail David,
Cardiff City have a reputation that is like something from the dark ages. They are notorious throughout the leagues.
Apart from our derby with Sunderland, why is it the only time we see trouble outside of St James' Park is when the likes of Swansea, Cardiff and the Old Firm come to play?
It goes beyond football ... it's a sense of nationalism ... like invading dickheads standing up for their country.
It's not just your trip to SJP, I'm a reporter and I have seen Cardiff fans cause trouble at many small grounds over the years: Swindon, Gillingham, Luton, Shrewsbury, etc.
They still live in the 1970's!
Football fans have moved on ... but obviously the news hasn't reached Wales yet.
Yours in football,
Kev





And David's reply:

Thank you for taking the time to read and reply to my initial comment. Much appreciated.
I was commenting on the article as I was linked to it on the Cardiff City messageboard on BBC 606.
I am very glad to have been alerted to the article as yes, there's still football hooligans that seem to cling on to Cardiff City Football Club however, many situations involving Cardiff are blown well out of proportion.
Last season in the South Wales derby, there was a HUGE fuss made of a coin throwing incident involving one or two idiots. This year at Old Trafford, during the Carling Cup Semi-Final second leg between Manchester United and Manchester City, Bellamy was pelted with bottles and other such missiles! That could have seriously injured him. The press barely made a murmur about this.
There have been many, many other incidents of coin throwing and other such obscene acts, that got no air time whatsoever!
It makes my blood boil the way for instance, Sky Sports News reported the coin throwing incident in the absolutely pulsating South Wales derby at Ninian Park.
The quality of the match and the spine-chilling atmosphere was pretty much void after ONE fool spoilt it. Such reportage I feel is unfair to the genuine Cardiff City fans, and the blame is being based too much on the clubs "with a history".

This year, Cardiff City fans have been labelled racist. A point that is completely laughable. It appears the English media try to proclaim Wales has an inferiority complex... When the amount of times myself and many others have had to put up with flak because of my nationality is just stupid in a time when racial harmony is meant to be top of the agenda.

My reply may have moved away from the main subject in hand yes, but there's a lot of winding up coming from both sides. I think your article was out of order in the way it tarred many good Cardiff City fans with the same brush as the idiots who go out to cause trouble.
What must be realised, is that the fans that had the major reputation in the '70s, are still the main culprits today, however, the amount of incidents have certainly decreased within the last decade. I really do not think it is fair to level such widespread criticism at a club when although it may now be a bit of a cliché, but the idiots who do behave so poorly are not the "real" fans. The real fans are the ones that go and follow their team come rain or shine. Can shake hands and go to the pub with an opposition fan straight after the match...

I do believe a major factor in such serious club rivalries, is quite heavily linked with the fans being segregated. It just incites more trouble. However, I think for many clubs now, it'd be almost unthinkable to mix fans together again.

I do appologise for some foul language in my first comment I sent you, I certainly did not expect a reply! (of which I am very greatful for)

You appear as much a fan of Newcastle United as I am for Cardiff City, and of which, I understand we will both have very strong, and maybe very different stances.

However, whilst it may sell newspapers, get website hits etc. etc. I do not think the level of criticism you gave the Cardiff fans was justified. Why didn't you comment on the several thousand other vociferous Cardiff fans that were gracious in defeat and were still chanting when 3-0 down in 15 minutes? That would go against the motive of your article maybe? It seemed a very biased article to many Cardiff fans who saw it...

Of course, I do not expect an appology as such, but maybe a degree of acknowledgment...
Would like to hear/read your thoughts

Cheers,
Dave

What a f*cking ass, I was at SJP and if they think it was just city causing the trouble they are having a laugh.

Good night out though

I lost all respect for Toons fans that night, they spend all night picking off scarfers and lads in small numbers (groups of under 4). Then they deny it which prompts me to say if you are embarrassed about your cowardly actions then dont do it.
City lads was gathered in one pub and the message went out as to where they were but nothing came of this as they were to busy picking off stragglers. Two words for there supporters HYPOCRITICAL WANKERS.

Have to be honest, before the game I struggled to find any city pubs although we made one of our own. I loved Newcastle but SJP and around it is a total horrible shithole, disgusting place.

Ive been to loads of grounds now and have never been so dissapointed as when I went to SJP, thought it would be a real stadium, hated everything about it including being stuck up on a ledge at the top for the away fans

I was on the CCSC buses. A lot of families and disabled people too. As we made our way back to the buses, a load of them came out of a pub across the road and hurled stones and abuse at us. One of them threw a brick, well half a brick as it was broken. I had to dodge it and it missed me by 2 or 3 foot. Thank God it didn't hit anyone else. Now I have longish blonde hair so its not as if they could argue they thought we were Soul Crew.

In fact, I wish that brick hit me, then I could show the media what scum Newcastle really are. Can't stand them and have no respect for any of them. Especially as most Newcastle fans you speak to will deny all knowledge of what happened.

I think they over stepped the mark and they're too embarrassed to admit it.

If the Newcastle fans hadn't waited for us as we left their ground, there wouldn't have been any trouble! Having walked back down 14 flights of concrete steps, we were met by hundreds of brainless Newcastle fans, who had no reason to be in this area, other than to taunt us and to try and cause trouble!

This happened at Chelsea and QPR as well last season, much the same as our fans used to do at Ninian Park, when they lined up in Sloper Road to "See Off" the visiting support!

On another note, as I was so high up in the gods at St James Park and had a shit view of the match, they can stick their tickets up their arse!

its ok, we know what to expect next time

Their full of shit, won't be so welcome when/if we play them at home again

I was there too f*cking numptee's, FUNNY THING IS I WAS IN THEIR PUB BEFORE KICK-OFF...ROSIES BAR, THE ONE THAT WAS SURROUNDED BY HORSES WHEN THE GAME FINISHED. Dicks and so hard to understand the lingo, never said "sorry what" so many times in my life.

Had my encounter with the numptees at 01:30 walking through the town centre with my mrs, hard as f**k they are