INTRIGUING: STEVE BORLEY ON SALA FAMILY TREATMENT

I had this brought to my attention today and a big 'thank you!' to GrangeEndStar for that...!

I have this evening discussed this at length and I can only come to the conclusion that much of what we have have previously thought is in fact, not the case...

Whilst some might already know much of this, it has left me a little flabbergasted and feeling more than a passing sympathy for our club, it's much-maligned owner, and the family of Emiliano Sala...

The words of Steve Borley and the Trust's Keith Morgan tell the story (see attacments below) and taken as the facts, it only goes to condemn FC Nantes and their representatives for their apparently selfish, self-seeking actions and disregard for the feelings and welfare of the family of their former player, Emiliano Sala...

Indeed, Steve's comments that (quote) "a myriad of agents were involved" beggars the question of whether that means others outside of McKay are also in the mix for the 'vicarious liability' claims against FC Nantes and McKay referred to previously...

I know this goes against the grain, but I feel this shows that we (the club) have done the right thing morally and in the face of adversity, whilst a reportedly already 'dodgy' FC Nantes ownersip and their agents, including McKay but not exclusively, appear to have done the polar opposites. And during all this time, we as a club have been blamed for acting immorally by the wider footballing community and by our own supporters...

Thank you to Steve Borley and to Keith Morgan for their apparent clarification on this subject; and well done Vincent Tan for carrying on the fight for Cardiff City FC and the Sala family...

I am hapoy to be corrected on any of the above but now pray for a speedy conclusion that sees justice, closure and compensation for the Sala family; and the exoneration of Cardiff City FC/plc

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The PFA part is very interesting, too!

Hoooorahhhhh, well done all involved as said many times " it's all about the bigger picture "

PFA are nothing short of a f**king disgrace.

Very interesting.

Especially the bit about the PFA not paying out to his family.

Always had time for Steve Borley. He has the club’s best interests at heart and has been around for a long time. He is always happy to speak to fans.

I have always said that the real victims in all of this aren’t us, aren’t Nantes but Emiliano Sala’s family.

Its good to know that CCFC appear to have acted relatively fairly throughout this sad sad business. As I have said in the past, Tan ( and Board) get a lot of criticism on here. While he is far from without fault, there are plenty of worse owners around.

Very interesting.

Especially the bit about the PFA not paying out to his family.

Always had time for Steve Borley. He has the club’s best interests at heart and has been around for a long time. He is always happy to speak to fans.

I have always said that the real victims in all of this aren’t us, aren’t Nantes but Emiliano Sala’s family.

110% Ned.

I always thought Nantes stance was against the grain but this is absolutely disgraceful...

I feel our club are persuing this in the right manner, whilst keeping the Sala family in their thoughts and deeds...

The PFA part is very interesting, too!

Absolutely mate.

Sven. Appalling on the part of Nantes and those parties who’ve been paid as part of the transaction process. And As expected we’re shocked at the comment regarding the PFA.
If they said ES transfer wasn’t complete, but it is now legally beyond any doubt he was our player. These are rhetorical questions- Why haven’t the PFA ultimately paid out the death in service benefit? And if not, why aren’t the PFA being pilloried in public. Like many did to CCFC and Vinny?

Very interesting.

Especially the bit about the PFA not paying out to his family.

Always had time for Steve Borley. He has the club’s best interests at heart and has been around for a long time. He is always happy to speak to fans.

I have always said that the real victims in all of this aren’t us, aren’t Nantes but Emiliano Sala’s family.

110% Ned.

I always thought Nantes stance was against the grain but this is absolutely disgraceful...

I feel our club are persuing this in the right manner, whilst keeping the Sala family in their thoughts and deeds...

Agree. Our great club have done the right thing. We weren’t the ones at fault and it seems more evidence is gradually coming to light. Tan has made a few mistakes but haven’t we all? He really is one of the better things to have happened to our club. He stuck to his guns, despite all the slagging and blame that came his way.

Credit to Cardiff city and how well we seem to be run morally and financially these days.

Future is looking bright.

UEFA and FIFA said he was our player yet PFA said he was not ?

Loan the Sala family a lawyer to sue the PFA.

Loan the Sala family a lawyer to sue the PFA.

That is an interesting idea.

Although you can see how the double talk would come to the fore. The PFA would state its about registration (we know there was a delay) and the Court of Arbitration ruled that despite this CCFC had a contract with the player and we had to pay Nantes. The PFA may well have a valid excuse (especially if the payments are voluntary) but it would be interesting to find out.

Loan the Sala family a lawyer to sue the PFA.

That is an interesting idea.

Although you can see how the double talk would come to the fore. The PFA would state its about registration (we know there was a delay) and the Court of Arbitration ruled that despite this CCFC had a contract with the player and we had to pay Nantes. The PFA may well have a valid excuse (especially if the payments are voluntary) but it would be interesting to find out.

Yes, but it would just be nice to hear them get out of it whilst still preaching how squeaky clean they are.

I had this brought to my attention today and a big 'thank you!' to GrangeEndStar for that...!

I have this evening discussed this at length and I can only come to the conclusion that much of what we have have previously thought is in fact, not the case...

Whilst some might already know much of this, it has left me a little flabbergasted and feeling more than a passing sympathy for our club, it's much-maligned owner, and the family of Emiliano Sala...

The words of Steve Borley and the Trust's Keith Morgan tell the story (see attacments below) and taken as the facts, it only goes to condemn FC Nantes and their representatives for their apparently selfish, self-seeking actions and disregard for the feelings and welfare of the family of their former player, Emiliano Sala...

Indeed, Steve's comments that (quote) "a myriad of agents were involved" beggars the question of whether that means others outside of McKay are also in the mix for the 'vicarious liability' claims against FC Nantes and McKay referred to previously...

I know this goes against the grain, but I feel this shows that we (the club) have done the right thing morally and in the face of adversity, whilst a reportedly already 'dodgy' FC Nantes ownersip and their agents, including McKay but not exclusively, appear to have done the polar opposites. And during all this time, we as a club have been blamed for acting immorally by the wider footballing community and by our own supporters...

Thank you to Steve Borley and to Keith Morgan for their apparent clarification on this subject; and well done Vincent Tan for carrying on the fight for Cardiff City FC and the Sala family...

I am hapoy to be corrected on any of the above but now pray for a speedy conclusion that sees justice, closure and compensation for the Sala family; and the exoneration of Cardiff City FC/plc

Chris, as long time fans ourselves the Trust board always tries to look into such things on behalf of our members and will continue to do so as an independent, officially licenced body.

Another matter which has not really been run with by the media in the UK is the fact that in June 2023 both the President of FC Nantes and his club director son were taken into custody by the French criminal authorities looking into various dealings including their dealings with unlicenced/illegal agents, money laundering and tax evasion amongst other things. These are the kind of people the club has been seeking to take legal action against yet some posters on message boards still seem to think we should not take such actions and leave FC Nantes alone - a view I personally find incredible.

Keith

Chris, as long time fans ourselves the Trust board always tries to look into such things on behalf of our members and will continue to do so as an independent, officially licenced body.

Another matter which has not really been run with by the media in the UK is the fact that in June 2023 both the President of FC Nantes and his club director son were taken into custody by the French criminal authorities looking into various dealings including their dealings with unlicenced/illegal agents, money laundering and tax evasion amongst other things. These are the kind of people the club has been seeking to take legal action against yet some posters on message boards still seem to think we should not take such actions and leave FC Nantes alone - a view I personally find incredible.

Keith

It was too easy to paint CCFC as the villain in this terrible accident. It looked as though all we were interested in was minimising our loss by using the courts. Whilst it is true we were trying to lessen our losses we also recognised the loss of Sala's family and were the only ones to make a financial contribution. That speaks volumes in my opinion as does the arrest of the Nantes President and directors on charges of money laundering.

I to cannot understand the mind set of anyone who thinks that people like that should be 'left alone'

100% Keith, remember the offices being raided in Nantes but then silence which I thought strange.

If true, Nantes FC are a disgrace.

I had this brought to my attention today and a big 'thank you!' to GrangeEndStar for that...!

I have this evening discussed this at length and I can only come to the conclusion that much of what we have have previously thought is in fact, not the case...

Whilst some might already know much of this, it has left me a little flabbergasted and feeling more than a passing sympathy for our club, it's much-maligned owner, and the family of Emiliano Sala...

The words of Steve Borley and the Trust's Keith Morgan tell the story (see attacments below) and taken as the facts, it only goes to condemn FC Nantes and their representatives for their apparently selfish, self-seeking actions and disregard for the feelings and welfare of the family of their former player, Emiliano Sala...

Indeed, Steve's comments that (quote) "a myriad of agents were involved" beggars the question of whether that means others outside of McKay are also in the mix for the 'vicarious liability' claims against FC Nantes and McKay referred to previously...

I know this goes against the grain, but I feel this shows that we (the club) have done the right thing morally and in the face of adversity, whilst a reportedly already 'dodgy' FC Nantes ownersip and their agents, including McKay but not exclusively, appear to have done the polar opposites. And during all this time, we as a club have been blamed for acting immorally by the wider footballing community and by our own supporters...

Thank you to Steve Borley and to Keith Morgan for their apparent clarification on this subject; and well done Vincent Tan for carrying on the fight for Cardiff City FC and the Sala family...

I am hapoy to be corrected on any of the above but now pray for a speedy conclusion that sees justice, closure and compensation for the Sala family; and the exoneration of Cardiff City FC/plc

Chris, as long time fans ourselves the Trust board always tries to look into such things on behalf of our members and will continue to do so as an independent, officially licenced body.

Another matter which has not really been run with by the media in the UK is the fact that in June 2023 both the President of FC Nantes and his club director son were taken into custody by the French criminal authorities looking into various dealings including their dealings with unlicenced/illegal agents, money laundering and tax evasion amongst other things. These are the kind of people the club has been seeking to take legal action against yet some posters on message boards still seem to think we should not take such actions and leave FC Nantes alone - a view I personally find incredible.

Keith

Keith, thank you for this (above) and I appreciate everything you write on the subject...

I alluded to your comment about the owners of FC Nantes in my OP and many on here are aware of what occurred besides the Sala incident...

With regard to your last paragraph, I have to say that I concur fully and remain bemused that some posters remain committed to the thought that it is "all Tan's fault!" and we, as a club and/or individuals should "let it go!"

This is no longer about 'personalities'. It is about honesty, integrity, justice and facts but most of all, it is about people, i.e. those who were wronged, those who suffered, those who are left bereft and those who continue to fail in their 'duty of care' to those on whom their actions (vicariously or otherwise) impacted directly or indirectly

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It's easy to spend someone else's money Chris, very easy.

It's easy to spend someone else's money Chris, very easy.

Indeed it is, Jules; indeed it is...!

Tan and gang are starting to get some credit now. Honour is strong in their culture and if what we are hearing is true and what we have witness over the last few seasons then they have gone through a few valleys. This could be the start of them coming out of it all.

I don't understand some of the legal stuff, it all seems complex to me, but what I have read is that they had to go through the "he was not our player" to go for the main target which is Nantes FC. If Tan wants any compensation from all of this then going after the French outfit is the only way he is going to get it. It comes over to me as a dirty business.

Us fans have not had it easy too and that is worth mentioning. We have been mocked by other fans as to why we have not paid up. Overall its been a nightmare for us all to live through.

Nightmare for us !!! Think about the families of the two dead people in all this that's a nightmare.


See where you coming from mate but we should be used to getting stick and imo unfair treatment by EFL, FIFA etc.

Tan and gang are starting to get some credit now. Honour is strong in their culture and if what we are hearing is true and what we have witness over the last few seasons then they have gone through a few valleys. This could be the start of them coming out of it all.

I don't understand some of the legal stuff, it all seems complex to me, but what I have read is that they had to go through the "he was not our player" to go for the main target which is Nantes FC. If Tan wants any compensation from all of this then going after the French outfit is the only way he is going to get it. It comes over to me as a dirty business.

Us fans have not had it easy too and that is worth mentioning. We have been mocked by other fans as to why we have not paid up. Overall its been a nightmare for us all to live through.

Premier league and pfa still say he wasn't our player tho , I'll tell you what really happened is the welsh fa jumped the gun and registered him before all contracts were legal .

Well it wouldn't be a surprise for them to balls up would it Wez?

Tan and gang are starting to get some credit now. Honour is strong in their culture and if what we are hearing is true and what we have witness over the last few seasons then they have gone through a few valleys. This could be the start of them coming out of it all.

I don't understand some of the legal stuff, it all seems complex to me, but what I have read is that they had to go through the "he was not our player" to go for the main target which is Nantes FC. If Tan wants any compensation from all of this then going after the French outfit is the only way he is going to get it. It comes over to me as a dirty business.

Us fans have not had it easy too and that is worth mentioning. We have been mocked by other fans as to why we have not paid up. Overall its been a nightmare for us all to live through.

Oh yeah it’s been really tough for us.
Maybe it would have been easier if we stuck together and supported the club though it all instead of trying to use it as a tool to bash ourselves, which is pretty morally low. When it’s now looking like we were the ones trying to do the most and best for the family. (Who by the way are the one who really had it tough.)

Tan and gang are starting to get some credit now. Honour is strong in their culture and if what we are hearing is true and what we have witness over the last few seasons then they have gone through a few valleys. This could be the start of them coming out of it all.

I don't understand some of the legal stuff, it all seems complex to me, but what I have read is that they had to go through the "he was not our player" to go for the main target which is Nantes FC. If Tan wants any compensation from all of this then going after the French outfit is the only way he is going to get it. It comes over to me as a dirty business.

Us fans have not had it easy too and that is worth mentioning. We have been mocked by other fans as to why we have not paid up. Overall its been a nightmare for us all to live through.

Oh yeah it’s been really tough for us.
Maybe it would have been easier if we stuck together and supported the club though it all instead of trying to use it as a tool to bash ourselves, which is pretty morally low. When it’s now looking like we were the ones trying to do the most and best for the family. (Who by the way are the one who really had it tough.)

Excellent post.

Tan and gang are starting to get some credit now. Honour is strong in their culture and if what we are hearing is true and what we have witness over the last few seasons then they have gone through a few valleys. This could be the start of them coming out of it all.

I don't understand some of the legal stuff, it all seems complex to me, but what I have read is that they had to go through the "he was not our player" to go for the main target which is Nantes FC. If Tan wants any compensation from all of this then going after the French outfit is the only way he is going to get it. It comes over to me as a dirty business.

Us fans have not had it easy too and that is worth mentioning. We have been mocked by other fans as to why we have not paid up. Overall its been a nightmare for us all to live through.

Premier league and pfa still say he wasn't our player tho , I'll tell you what really happened is the welsh fa jumped the gun and registered him before all contracts were legal .

That's clever of them.

At the time I felt morally we should have paid up then go after any compensation we felt we were entitled to which in a way is what we are doing now. However what is morally right and what is legally right can be 2 different things. Also its not my money but Tans so he is entitled to choose the way. It does feel like he might pull this one off.

Tan and gang are starting to get some credit now. Honour is strong in their culture and if what we are hearing is true and what we have witness over the last few seasons then they have gone through a few valleys. This could be the start of them coming out of it all.

I don't understand some of the legal stuff, it all seems complex to me, but what I have read is that they had to go through the "he was not our player" to go for the main target which is Nantes FC. If Tan wants any compensation from all of this then going after the French outfit is the only way he is going to get it. It comes over to me as a dirty business.

Us fans have not had it easy too and that is worth mentioning. We have been mocked by other fans as to why we have not paid up. Overall its been a nightmare for us all to live through.

Premier league and pfa still say he wasn't our player tho , I'll tell you what really happened is the welsh fa jumped the gun and registered him before all contracts were legal .

That's clever of them.

At the time I felt morally we should have paid up then go after any compensation we felt we were entitled to which in a way is what we are doing now. However what is morally right and what is legally right can be 2 different things. Also its not my money but Tans so he is entitled to choose the way. It does feel like he might pull this one off.

I've always said there's more to it and it's very easy spending someone else's money; especially over 20 million .

Intriguing is correct.

Tan and gang are starting to get some credit now. Honour is strong in their culture and if what we are hearing is true and what we have witness over the last few seasons then they have gone through a few valleys. This could be the start of them coming out of it all.

I don't understand some of the legal stuff, it all seems complex to me, but what I have read is that they had to go through the "he was not our player" to go for the main target which is Nantes FC. If Tan wants any compensation from all of this then going after the French outfit is the only way he is going to get it. It comes over to me as a dirty business.

Us fans have not had it easy too and that is worth mentioning. We have been mocked by other fans as to why we have not paid up. Overall its been a nightmare for us all to live through.

Premier league and pfa still say he wasn't our player tho , I'll tell you what really happened is the welsh fa jumped the gun and registered him before all contracts were legal .

That's clever of them.

At the time I felt morally we should have paid up then go after any compensation we felt we were entitled to which in a way is what we are doing now. However what is morally right and what is legally right can be 2 different things. Also its not my money but Tans so he is entitled to choose the way. It does feel like he might pull this one off.

I've always said there's more to it and it's very easy spending someone else's money; especially over 20 million .

Indeed, it is...!

Jules, I just think the club, so by default the owner, is given such a hard ride (much justified) that it's good to see a positive side sometimes and credit where it's due...

In this case, it's particularly creditable, as it seems our club are doing what is right, whilst others are doing the proverbial nuffink other than grab the dirty luca and scarper...

It's actually refreshing to bring a positive thread on the club's dealings...!