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Decisions to be made, Dreadful last night - you don't doff

Sat Dec 30, 2023 9:09 am

Dreadful last night - you don't doff your cap to the likes of Leicester do u?

They somehow took a EPL title in 2016, and a clearly still dining off it, judging by their stupid song.

Leicester are not a bigger club than Cardiff City, and never have been.

Too much respect shown to them, we needed to get in a few hard early tackles to rattle them - but backed away.

Gave our crowd nothing to shout about.

This squad is not up to getting us out of this Championship, so clear now.

Recruitment required at left back, two top-quality central midfielders, a quality two-footed wide player and a goal-scoring central target striker.






We need a major clear out between the January window and next summer.

For me, to jettison:

Runarsson - terminate loan, send back to Arsenal. Club should either push youngster Turner or get in experienced cover. Tom Heaton was mentioned, there are other options too.

Vontae-Campbell - pay him up, move out immediately, or park off somewhere.

Sawyers - needs to leave

Rinamohta - needs to leave.

Adams - not good enough at our level, needs to leave.

Bowler - send back to Forest, head shot. No confidence.

Ugbo - send back to Troyes, not what we need.

Promote the likes of Antwi or Joel Colwill, if not, get them out on loan with Evans to the EFL.

I'd rather see us work with a reduced squad - and greater quality - rather than the pile of dead wood currently at the club.

You also have to ask if Wintle, Ralls and Robinson have futures at Cardiff beyond June 2024?

Ralls' ability to deal with a frantic Championship fixture schedule now comes under real scrutiny.

His error gifted Leicester their opener and he wasted two precious set peice corners, not even clearing the first defender. That has to be fatigue. For me, this season should be his last as a Bluebird.

Wintle isn't going to get any better and is a bang average Championship performer - any fee for him could be injected back into squad strengthening.

Robinson is the club's highest paid player, not serving up is he? Decision to be made.

Re: Decisions to be made, Dreadful last night - you don't do

Sat Dec 30, 2023 9:43 am

The first decision is Bulut.... Sign a 2 year deal or don't give him a penny.

We can't chop and change anymore we have to stick to a plan for once. If it's him let him have control and start the change or get through the season and start all over again in the summer. We can't let him sign players with 6 month remaining on his deal

Re: Decisions to be made, Dreadful last night - you don't do

Sat Dec 30, 2023 10:12 am

I'm sorry they are now a much bigger club! In the summer we begged borrowed and stole players under an embargo, no club in the history of the championship has been promoted spending zero on transfers

By contrast Leicester in addition to the prem players they kept:


Players Club Transfer sum
Harry Winks €11.60m
Thomas Cannon €8.80m
Conor Coady €8.70m
Stephy Mavididi €7.50m
Mads Hermansen €7.00m
Yunus Akgün Loan fee:€500k
Callum Doyle loan
Cesare Casadei loan
Issahaku Fatawu loan

That's around 35m as spent!!!

What team would we have if Bulet had been given 35m and had the likes of Vardy in his back pocket.

Re: Decisions to be made, Dreadful last night - you don't do

Sat Dec 30, 2023 10:32 am

Always City wrote:Dreadful last night - you don't doff your cap to the likes of Leicester do u?

They somehow took a EPL title in 2016, and a clearly still dining off it, judging by their stupid song.

Leicester are not a bigger club than Cardiff City, and never have been.

Too much respect shown to them, we needed to get in a few hard early tackles to rattle them - but backed away.

Gave our crowd nothing to shout about.

This squad is not up to getting us out of this Championship, so clear now.

Recruitment required at left back, two top-quality central midfielders, a quality two-footed wide player and a goal-scoring central target striker.

A good post :clap:






We need a major clear out between the January window and next summer.

For me, to jettison:

Runarsson - terminate loan, send back to Arsenal. Club should either push youngster Turner or get in experienced cover. Tom Heaton was mentioned, there are other options too.

Vontae-Campbell - pay him up, move out immediately, or park off somewhere.

Sawyers - needs to leave

Rinamohta - needs to leave.

Adams - not good enough at our level, needs to leave.

Bowler - send back to Forest, head shot. No confidence.

Ugbo - send back to Troyes, not what we need.

Promote the likes of Antwi or Joel Colwill, if not, get them out on loan with Evans to the EFL.

I'd rather see us work with a reduced squad - and greater quality - rather than the pile of dead wood currently at the club.

You also have to ask if Wintle, Ralls and Robinson have futures at Cardiff beyond June 2024?

Ralls' ability to deal with a frantic Championship fixture schedule now comes under real scrutiny.

His error gifted Leicester their opener and he wasted two precious set peice corners, not even clearing the first defender. That has to be fatigue. For me, this season should be his last as a Bluebird.

Wintle isn't going to get any better and is a bang average Championship performer - any fee for him could be injected back into squad strengthening.

Robinson is the club's highest paid player, not serving up is he? Decision to be made.

Re: Decisions to be made, Dreadful last night - you don't do

Sat Dec 30, 2023 10:35 am

Leicester got money they sold Maddison for big money and they are in a very good position same as other teams in the league
we cannot expect to compete with cheap loans and freebies.

This league is getting tougher clubs spending but we are not and that is why last season and seasons before we been in the bottom 3.

Mid table sadly for us and that is an improvement in the last few seasons

Re: Decisions to be made, Dreadful last night - you don't do

Sat Dec 30, 2023 10:43 am

valleyrambill wrote:Leicester got money they sold Maddison for big money and they are in a very good position same as other teams in the league
we cannot expect to compete with cheap loans and freebies.

This league is getting tougher clubs spending but we are not and that is why last season and seasons before we been in the bottom 3.

Mid table sadly for us and that is an improvement in the last few seasons

Agree I think Bulut is doing a good good all things considered

Re: Decisions to be made, Dreadful last night - you don't do

Sat Dec 30, 2023 11:34 am

Ralls's error cost us the first goal? It was a hospital pass. The error was not getting rid when we had the chance. Playing from the back is great but don't do it a. When the opposition has most of their side in your half and b. It's Leicester. He was rubbish with corners first half but he wasn't most at fault for their goal.

Re: Decisions to be made, Dreadful last night - you don't do

Sat Dec 30, 2023 11:39 am

Always City wrote:Dreadful last night - you don't doff your cap to the likes of Leicester do u?

They somehow took a EPL title in 2016, and a clearly still dining off it, judging by their stupid song.

Leicester are not a bigger club than Cardiff City, and never have been.

Too much respect shown to them, we needed to get in a few hard early tackles to rattle them - but backed away.

Gave our crowd nothing to shout about.

This squad is not up to getting us out of this Championship, so clear now.

Recruitment required at left back, two top-quality central midfielders, a quality two-footed wide player and a goal-scoring central target striker.


Best post on anywhere for a long time, It's ruthless but bang on every point. We are way too slow all over the pitch and a bottom 10 side at best along with around 8 others.

Ralls is only lasting 60 minutes maximum, Collins is shot at leftback and the change in Bowler how I remember at Blackpool is frightening. I saw him arguing the toss with Bulet a few times last night before he was pulled. Are they too scared or worried about 'defending' because that's what it looks like from the sides. Tanner exactly the sae arguing with coaches.

Let the creative players create if the likes of Wintle, Ralls, Siopsis are not up to it, then we know what to do. In defence of the little Greek he looks to be carrying, or is sheer fatigue?!

What do you think of the manager and more importantly his tactics Always City? For me, his persistance of playing out from the back is costing us EVERY game. Yes "it's the way to play", blah blah even though TOP premier teams are all getting caught and conceeding. It cost us another 2 goals last night, mainly because we haven't got the players or the speed to knock the ball about. His starting tactics of two banks of four all behind the ball last night gave them the game on a plate. We had no threat whatsoever as the home side until two lame Ralls corners just before half time. It was men against boys.

So are we all happy with the manager? We don't want to chop & change BUT are we all happy with the style Bulet looks to be playing. I've talked to two people this morning who took friends/ kids last night, 'bored senseless' and won't be going again for a while.

Just give us a little something to shout about at home Erol, a little entertainment, something to attract and keep those floating fans. It's painful, yes we need men in, but by god it's a tough watch at CCFC at the moment.





We need a major clear out between the January window and next summer.

For me, to jettison:

Runarsson - terminate loan, send back to Arsenal. Club should either push youngster Turner or get in experienced cover. Tom Heaton was mentioned, there are other options too.

Vontae-Campbell - pay him up, move out immediately, or park off somewhere.

Sawyers - needs to leave

Rinamohta - needs to leave.

Adams - not good enough at our level, needs to leave.

Bowler - send back to Forest, head shot. No confidence.

Ugbo - send back to Troyes, not what we need.

Promote the likes of Antwi or Joel Colwill, if not, get them out on loan with Evans to the EFL.

I'd rather see us work with a reduced squad - and greater quality - rather than the pile of dead wood currently at the club.

You also have to ask if Wintle, Ralls and Robinson have futures at Cardiff beyond June 2024?

Ralls' ability to deal with a frantic Championship fixture schedule now comes under real scrutiny.

His error gifted Leicester their opener and he wasted two precious set peice corners, not even clearing the first defender. That has to be fatigue. For me, this season should be his last as a Bluebird.

Wintle isn't going to get any better and is a bang average Championship performer - any fee for him could be injected back into squad strengthening.

Robinson is the club's highest paid player, not serving up is he? Decision to be made.

Re: Decisions to be made, Dreadful last night - you don't do

Sat Dec 30, 2023 11:46 am

Out of curiosity, on what basis are Cardiff the same size (or bigger) than Leicester? Personally, I think they’re miles ahead in stature based on achievements and spending power.

Re: Decisions to be made, Dreadful last night - you don't do

Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:45 pm

103 Barmy Army wrote:Out of curiosity, on what basis are Cardiff the same size (or bigger) than Leicester? Personally, I think they’re miles ahead in stature based on achievements and spending power.


But if you go back to 2010 when we beat them in the play off semi final who could have predicted the way the two clubs would progress over the next thirteen years?

Whilst they've managed in that time to get promoted, establish themselves for many years in the Premier League, win the actual Premier League title, play in Europe, win an FA Cup we've managed to get relegated immediately on both occasions we got promoted, wasted hundreds of millions of pounds on shit signings and recently been on the brink of going down to League 1 for the last few seasons whilst also during that time antagonising a large number of supporters by changing the long established club colours from blue to red.

Can anybody really say that when we beat them in that semi final that the difference between the clubs in such a short space of time would become so vast?

It's tempting to conclude that one of those teams has been professionally managed by an ownership who knows what they're doing and the other team is Cardiff City

Re: Decisions to be made, Dreadful last night - you don't do

Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:12 pm

davids wrote:
103 Barmy Army wrote:Out of curiosity, on what basis are Cardiff the same size (or bigger) than Leicester? Personally, I think they’re miles ahead in stature based on achievements and spending power.


But if you go back to 2010 when we beat them in the play off semi final who could have predicted the way the two clubs would progress over the next thirteen years?

Whilst they've managed in that time to get promoted, establish themselves for many years in the Premier League, win the actual Premier League title, play in Europe, win an FA Cup we've managed to get relegated immediately on both occasions we got promoted, wasted hundreds of millions of pounds on shit signings and recently been on the brink of going down to League 1 for the last few seasons whilst also during that time antagonising a large number of supporters by changing the long established club colours from blue to red.

Can anybody really say that when we beat them in that semi final that the difference between the clubs in such a short space of time would become so vast?

It's tempting to conclude that one of those teams has been professionally managed by an ownership who knows what they're doing and the other team is Cardiff City


This is what I have been saying for the last few seasons.

You could replace Leicester with a number of clubs like Brentford.

Re: Decisions to be made, Dreadful last night - you don't do

Sat Dec 30, 2023 7:41 pm

Comedy gold fair play Cardiff bigger than Leicester.theyve achieved 55 seasons in the top Division won the league title in 2016.we on the other hand have spent a meagre 17 seasons in the top Division and last won a major trophy 97 years ago.

Re: Decisions to be made, Dreadful last night - you don't do

Sat Dec 30, 2023 8:05 pm

Ralls was the fall guy for the first goal. That ball should have been pumped downfield not hospital passed to him with 3 chasing him down. Ralls has done more to help this team over multiple seasons than anyone else so it will be a cold day in hell before I hang him out to dry for a “mistake” that wasn’t even his fault.

Re: Decisions to be made, Dreadful last night - you don't do

Sat Dec 30, 2023 8:13 pm

welshrarebit wrote:Ralls was the fall guy for the first goal. That ball should have been pumped downfield not hospital passed to him with 3 chasing him down. Ralls has done more to help this team over multiple seasons than anyone else so it will be a cold day in hell before I hang him out to dry for a “mistake” that wasn’t even his fault.


I love Ralls but it was his fault, he too could have smashed the ball out of play but he didn’t

Re: Decisions to be made, Dreadful last night - you don't do

Sat Dec 30, 2023 8:38 pm

Underhill1927 wrote:
welshrarebit wrote:Ralls was the fall guy for the first goal. That ball should have been pumped downfield not hospital passed to him with 3 chasing him down. Ralls has done more to help this team over multiple seasons than anyone else so it will be a cold day in hell before I hang him out to dry for a “mistake” that wasn’t even his fault.


I love Ralls but it was his fault, he too could have smashed the ball out of play but he didn’t


If Ralls could use his right foot for anything other than standing on he may have been able to get rid of the ball.

And he's not the only one.

Never ceases to amaze me that professional players ay Championship level cannot use their "weaker" foot.

Re: Decisions to be made, Dreadful last night - you don't do

Sat Dec 30, 2023 8:40 pm

davids wrote:
Underhill1927 wrote:
welshrarebit wrote:Ralls was the fall guy for the first goal. That ball should have been pumped downfield not hospital passed to him with 3 chasing him down. Ralls has done more to help this team over multiple seasons than anyone else so it will be a cold day in hell before I hang him out to dry for a “mistake” that wasn’t even his fault.


I love Ralls but it was his fault, he too could have smashed the ball out of play but he didn’t


If Ralls could use his right foot for anything other than standing on he may have been able to get rid of the ball.

And he's not the only one.

Never ceases to amaze me that professional players ay Championship level cannot use their "weaker" foot.



Who'd you think Warnock would have blamed?

Re: Decisions to be made, Dreadful last night - you don't do

Sat Dec 30, 2023 9:18 pm

davids wrote:
Underhill1927 wrote:
welshrarebit wrote:Ralls was the fall guy for the first goal. That ball should have been pumped downfield not hospital passed to him with 3 chasing him down. Ralls has done more to help this team over multiple seasons than anyone else so it will be a cold day in hell before I hang him out to dry for a “mistake” that wasn’t even his fault.


I love Ralls but it was his fault, he too could have smashed the ball out of play but he didn’t


If Ralls could use his right foot for anything other than standing on he may have been able to get rid of the ball.

And he's not the only one.

Never ceases to amaze me that professional players ay Championship level cannot use their "weaker" foot.


100%. We didn't actually play that bad and felt our game plan was ok.
Ralls delayed on the ball and a wonderstrike.

But the OP saying they aren't bigger than us is nuts. 35m spent. Premier league winners in the team.
They shouldn't be in this league.

But end of the day we are 5 points off the play offs. Give bulut a chance to actually bring in some of his players. Not have his hands tied with the embargo.

Re: Decisions to be made, Dreadful last night - you don't do

Sat Dec 30, 2023 9:36 pm

EB has done superbly and has done so in very difficult circumstances re the embargo, both on the pitch and off it. None of us expected to be in touching distance of the play offs at the halfway point and the bookies and 'supercomputers' had us adds odds on relegated, but they, like us, has no idea of what to expect.

The Leicester result was entirely predictable really, the quality is there and they didn't have to get out of second gear to win, no big deal. Ater an unanticipated and surprising purple patch period following Rambo's injury, the performance downturn showed that we need another 6 players in to have an actual go at realistically competing for something, as opposed to what we all had hoped at best would be another clichéd 'transition' season, after two years of relegation threats.

So given the above, and if VT backs EB sufficiently, the remainder of the season should be something to look forward too and if VT has any realistic desire to claw back any significant cash from an eventual sale, he will double down sensibly in the summer and have his last roll of the dice.

Oh yeah, and Ralls wasn't at fault for the goal last night. Goutas (who is excellent) fumbled and then was pressured, who then passed to to an under pressure Sio (also excellent) who in turn passed the hot potato to Ralls (also excellent) and all just outside the box. I learned a couple of key things from our brief but enjoyable sojourns in the PL and one of those is mistakes, even slight ones, get punished, such is the quality. And Leicester have that in spades.

We are in a pretty good place all things considered and if VT and EB get it right, who knows?

Re: Decisions to be made, Dreadful last night - you don't do

Sat Dec 30, 2023 10:36 pm

Always City wrote:Dreadful last night - you don't doff your cap to the likes of Leicester do u?

They somehow took a EPL title in 2016, and a clearly still dining off it, judging by their stupid song.

Leicester are not a bigger club than Cardiff City, and never have been.

Too much respect shown to them, we needed to get in a few hard early tackles to rattle them - but backed away.

Gave our crowd nothing to shout about.

This squad is not up to getting us out of this Championship, so clear now.

Recruitment required at left back, two top-quality central midfielders, a quality two-footed wide player and a goal-scoring central target striker.






We need a major clear out between the January window and next summer.

For me, to jettison:

Runarsson - terminate loan, send back to Arsenal. Club should either push youngster Turner or get in experienced cover. Tom Heaton was mentioned, there are other options too.

Vontae-Campbell - pay him up, move out immediately, or park off somewhere.

Sawyers - needs to leave

Rinamohta - needs to leave.

Adams - not good enough at our level, needs to leave.

Bowler - send back to Forest, head shot. No confidence.

Ugbo - send back to Troyes, not what we need.

Promote the likes of Antwi or Joel Colwill, if not, get them out on loan with Evans to the EFL.

I'd rather see us work with a reduced squad - and greater quality - rather than the pile of dead wood currently at the club.

You also have to ask if Wintle, Ralls and Robinson have futures at Cardiff beyond June 2024?

Ralls' ability to deal with a frantic Championship fixture schedule now comes under real scrutiny.

His error gifted Leicester their opener and he wasted two precious set peice corners, not even clearing the first defender. That has to be fatigue. For me, this season should be his last as a Bluebird.

Wintle isn't going to get any better and is a bang average Championship performer - any fee for him could be injected back into squad strengthening.

Robinson is the club's highest paid player, not serving up is he? Decision to be made.


Stopped reading after you said we are a much bigger club. Have a word with yourself. We are not that big of a club.

Re: Decisions to be made, Dreadful last night - you don't do

Sat Dec 30, 2023 10:58 pm

Einstein wrote:I'm sorry they are now a much bigger club! In the summer we begged borrowed and stole players under an embargo, no club in the history of the championship has been promoted spending zero on transfers

By contrast Leicester in addition to the prem players they kept:


Players Club Transfer sum
Harry Winks €11.60m
Thomas Cannon €8.80m
Conor Coady €8.70m
Stephy Mavididi €7.50m
Mads Hermansen €7.00m
Yunus Akgün Loan fee:€500k
Callum Doyle loan
Cesare Casadei loan
Issahaku Fatawu loan

That's around 35m as spent!!!

What team would we have if Bulet had been given 35m and had the likes of Vardy in his back pocket.

It wasn't that long ago we knocked them out of tbe Play-offs in a classic; so they could so easily have been us andvice versa with Malaysian ownership...

They can afford those players due to their success in the last 10 years but as a club, they are no bigger than ours in other ways...

Re: Decisions to be made, Dreadful last night - you don't do

Sun Dec 31, 2023 1:05 pm

Sven wrote:
Einstein wrote:I'm sorry they are now a much bigger club! In the summer we begged borrowed and stole players under an embargo, no club in the history of the championship has been promoted spending zero on transfers

By contrast Leicester in addition to the prem players they kept:


Players Club Transfer sum
Harry Winks €11.60m
Thomas Cannon €8.80m
Conor Coady €8.70m
Stephy Mavididi €7.50m
Mads Hermansen €7.00m
Yunus Akgün Loan fee:€500k
Callum Doyle loan
Cesare Casadei loan
Issahaku Fatawu loan

That's around 35m as spent!!!

What team would we have if Bulet had been given 35m and had the likes of Vardy in his back pocket.

It wasn't that long ago we knocked them out of tbe Play-offs in a classic; so they could so easily have been us andvice versa with Malaysian ownership...

They can afford those players due to their success in the last 10 years but as a club, they are no bigger than ours in other ways...



Leicester City are a significantly bigger club that Cardiff
Leicester City have won one Premier League, one FA Cup, three League Cups and two FA Community Shields. The club's 2015–16 Premier League title win attracted global attention, and they became one of seven clubs to have won the Premier League since its inception in 1992.

Prior to this, Leicester's highest league finish was second place in the top flight in 1928–29.

The club have competed in the FA Cup final five times, winning their first title in 2021. They won the League Cup in 1964, 1997 and 2000 respectively, and were finalists in 1964–65 and 1998–99. Leicester have also played in seven European competitions to date, notably reaching the UEFA Champions League quarter-finals in 2016–17 and the UEFA Europa Conference League semi-finals in 2021–22.

Re: Decisions to be made, Dreadful last night - you don't do

Sun Dec 31, 2023 2:20 pm

skiprat wrote:Comedy gold fair play Cardiff bigger than Leicester.theyve achieved 55 seasons in the top Division won the league title in 2016.we on the other hand have spent a meagre 17 seasons in the top Division and last won a major trophy 97 years ago.


They were also in League 1 as recently as 2008-9. It is true that Leicester have out performed us since 2010, but they have played in the lower leagues more recently than we have.

That said I don't know if that has any bearing on whether they are a bigger club than Cardiff.